You have to watch them every second! Just like 2-year-olds. Thanks for keeping on top of things.

If he did NOTHING!!!

Just stop….I know the disease of liberalism is strong in this one.

And I know he is rushing because it 2010 he should get de-railed,
so Mr. President - go ahead - make our year.

When Glenn Beck was railing about the how the left was trying to “overwhelm the system” my friends laughed at me. “He’s insane.” They would say. One friend, who is very, very, bright, says he can’t watch Beck because he caught an episode where Beck was talking about conspiracies.

However, the same friend now is having trouble getting his head wrapped around all of the activities, saying some just don’t make sense.

As smart as he is, his blind spot is he thinks logically, people who disassemble functional systems for the sake of doing it, flummox him. He may see it, analysis it, but just can’t get why they do it.

When I tell him it is all about the money and power, he tries to simplify it to more just faulty character; such as Obama overtly telling lies about healthcare, even though he is getting caught. I say it is the deal he made with those who polished him up and presented him to the public as a presidential candidate. He is the mouthpiece; they do the dirty work behind the scenes. He must give up his credibility if that gives them a little more cover to complete their agenda. (The speech is an example)

My friend says Obama tells those whoppers because he is a lawyer, and a lawyer’s job is to present his client’s case in the best light at all times. Lying is part of that process. (Both of us should know, we spent two decades dealing with them in criminal courts as police detectives.) Obama’s client is Obama. So, lying to us to promote his own agenda is what he has been trained and excused to do.

Either way, the left is going to do serious damage until we can reign in the numbers with the next election. The best we can do now is what places like Redstate are doing; expose their efforts to light and hope people react. Our best result will be to limit Obama’s influence to the edges of his front lawn. The left knows this and uses races to attack those who are critics.

Unfortunately for them, the problem with that argument is that Obama, because of his election, removed a good deal of the guilt. Believe me, the left is now realizing this and it is driving them crazy. For them, it is like pulling out your favorite pistol and finding there aren’t any bullets left in it.

Stay the course. This is still America.

If the left want’s to overwhelm the system for colleges and make their lives miserable I could care less. What will happen? private universities will be the better choice for students. Private Universities by virtue are more Conservative. I think this whole leftist push after WWII for everyone to go to college has destroyed the American worker. There is not to much in college as far as I am concerned that benefits the average worker out there and they turn out liberals in mass! I always find it amusing when a 4 year degree in Accounting has the same effect as my 2 year degree and I make MORE money then the norm because I have REAL WORK experience. The only thing the extra 2 yrs gets them is another 40K in debt.

Whoever has his enemy at his mercy &
does not destroy him is his own enemy

Maybe the administration should have thought of that before they invited in Obama and offered him an honorary degree for, for what exactly?

Good grief.

Disclaimer: I am a graduate of Notre Dame.

No problem.
All you need to do is sign your community service contract.
If that passes Obama will be able to manipulate tens of thousand of students to do his bidding. Just think of the programs that will be mandated to students who receive aid. Think of the courses they can require universities to offer. They will become indoctrination camps.
They can even push it back into grade school by mandating certain courses be taken to receive eligibility credits. Maybe all the kids will get to wear those spiffy looking grey hats with the big red star on them.

Obama will try to tell people “If you are happy with your school choice then you can keep your school choice. All this plan does is give people more choices”

This guy is even worse than we thought he would be. He makes Bill Clinton look like Ronald Reagan.

…states need to start ignoring Federal Laws that violate their 10th Amendment rights as well as are Unconstitutional. They have the power to nullify these actions within their states.

Arizona HCR2014: National Health Care Nullification

This too can be nullified. And after the latest statements from Sotomayor, it appears that the Supreme Court is on its way to becoming an Australian petting zoo… something about Kangaroos.

of curriculum also? If so, this billis really bad news.

Now, normally one could take offense to comparing Clinton to Ronald Reagan but I did find myself “fondly” remembering the comparatively carefree days under Slick Willies administration…boy is this ever worse! They do act like 2 year-olds!

I don’t see why the first part is bad? If the loans are subsidized the gov is paying the interest during school and any deferments. I don’t see why it’s bad other than places like sallie mae and banks and credit unions losing out on the interest? Subsidized or unsubsidized they are already gov backed. I just don’t get it why it’s so bad?

I don’t think they should allow under 18 to sign for loans but apart from that financial aid is a really easy process. This is one thing that is done really well IMHO.

I’m not saying the current set up is good either with free money being given out because it raises costs I just don’t understand why this specific move from private lenders to gov is bad when it’s already gov backed.

Erick can you explain how this is a government takeover? you say that in your post but don’t give any explanation. My reading of the bill simply says that the government is no longer going to allow private insurance companies to manage the federal loan programs it runs and instead administer them itself. Its hardly a government takeover when it is federal dollars being spent. The only thing this does is save the us all huge amounts of our tax dollars that are currently being skimmed off the top by loan management companies.

Also how is it a secret for congress to put someone in charge of the effort to green schools and universities..? Its in the bill so by virtue of that its not secret..

He was attending all the planning meetings to put all this legislation in place!

They’re going to break this Nation by killing the middle class through taxes, skyrocketing energy costs, and now, indentured servitude via college loans.

Thanks for keeping us informed. My representatives are going to relegate me to the “kook” file, but I’ll keep calling and writing.

If we wanted an actual conservative, even effect, reform of higher education funding here are a couple of ideas:
http://archive.redstate.com/blogs/kyleh/2006/nov/20/student_funding_ideas

Courtesy of Hot Air……

http://hotair.com/archives/2009/09/17/great-news-in-class-rings-get-your-obama-tag-now

snark
I may order one of these beauties just to replace my Jimmy Carter class ring.
/snark

I’d add actual thought-out commentary, but I don’t want to be known only for “coarsening the dialogue”.

Cheers !

The current system appears to be basically just a hand-out to the banks. The terms and rates (repayment plans, everything) are set centrally, and the banks just do the paperwork. “Great,” you say - “the government sucks at paperwork.” But here’s the thing - afterwards, most people I know consolidate with the government directly anyway, so the government is buying paperwork it’s going to do over. In my experience, there’s been basically zip competition. Of course, perhaps there was some competition that was obscured from me.

Now, I started reading the bill and noted that it was 210 pages long and decided to stop after the Pell grant increases. It may well be a piece of trash. But it always bugged me having a bank hanging around like a two bit real-estate agent when I signed my USA Stafford Loan promissory note.

On a plus note, the student loan forgiveness program for armed services, FBI, CDC, police, firemen, etc. that GWB started was a big step towards having a meaningful G.I. Bill again.

I received an email from the financial aid office of the institution where I’m studying for my PhD that had the following statement in it: “The Constitution is a living document.” Then afterward a small snippet about Sen. Byrd’s effort through legislation to increase students knowledge of the Constitution. It then has a link to a site, while containing some good information had nothing to say about the originalist perspective of the US Constitution.

What is so ominous to me about this is that the school was just recently approved as a Title IV institution, which among other things allows students to apply for federally subsidized loans. When taking the email into account I cannot help but feel suspicious that it had a secondary motive of indoctrinating the concept of a “living document” into the skulls of some students.

If the US government, and I don’t give a rats patooty who is in charge, has full control of student loans and the ever looming presence of the US Dept.of Edu. spooning out “educational memorandums” the government can then better control higher education content. For example, a simple prescreening of me would have revealed that I intend to study the relationship between worker and manager when an overt Christian ethos is present in management. That, and the fact I’ve spent 16 years in Africa as a missionary puts me in precarious position for loan approval.

This government is making power grabs at every level of our society and personal freedoms. Yet, there are few voices in the wilderness of mass media investigating, much less making evaluative statements of such nonsense. If it were not for these few outlets of free expression, we could be wearing brown by the Fall of 2012!

1) ANY college that receives GOV money will be subject to GOV rules, whether that college is public or private - except Hillsdale, which does not accept GOV student loan dollars.
2) Many middle class families do not qualify for GOV-backed student loans; not all student loans have ties to GOV.
3) If GOV is the monopoly provider of student loans, at least 3 things wil happen:
GOV will control College activities in ANY area
GOV will control student requirements (can you say community service, I knew that you could)
Tuition will rise outta sight as the GOV will just increase loans to students

Universities springing up screaming about the “red-lining” of education loans in the past and raking in the huge piles of cash from the Fannie Mae and Freddie Mac of Govt run Student loans and recruiting students from the crips and bloods. Then, when the liability to the taxpayers reaches 10 trillion dollars (like sub-prime) loans for houses, they will blame it on the policies of the past administrations.

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Basically, the bill would shut down all private providers of student loans, drive up costs for universities, and become a bureaucratic nightmare for institutions of higher learning.

I will accept your analysis that the bill eliminates private banks from the existing federal student loan/grant programs, but that would appear to be just a change in adminstration of existing programs rather than a fundamental alteration in the programs themselves.

And I would accept that the consequence laid out in the second and third parts of this sentence are quite plausible because those are the consequences of almost every government program, especially those that are too rapidly rushed to implementation.

It’s the first part that I don’t understand as a consequence of the new legislation.

In particular, the new law would seem to leave intact state student loan/grant programs (which could choose to allow private agencies to adminster these programs) and also leave alone unsubsidized private loans to students (or to their families).

Yes, the federal subsidized student loan/grant programs are being taken entirely from the private sector - but I don’t see how this become a shutdown of all private actors from issuing loans to students (or their families)

Or is there a poison pill slipped there that I haven’t seen because of the obfuscatory language.

There are quite a few scary things about this bill in terms of the new programs that it initiates that futher expands the instrusion of the federal government into higher education in areas such as facilities construction and further leaves schools more vulnerable to government mandates because of the federal government’s increased financial leverage. Also scary are the measures that also open the door to more federal intrusion into K-12 education.

I’m referring In particular to Sections 102 College Access and Completion Innovation Fund as well as changes to Title III -V that I don’t understand but are hidden therein, according to other reports.

These are quite sufficient grounds to block passage of this bill without substantial changes.

However, I don’t see how the adminstrative changes to existing federal loan program - though probably not good policy - represent a fundamental change in the relationship between the feds and schools - either way, the federal government can still use its sponsorship of these programs as leverage for increasingly intrusive compliance mandates, whether or not this law passes.

Basically it is a different paper shuffle,correct. Private banks will no longer arrange the loans the gov’t is offering.I guess it would save the costs the banks tack on,but there is no new “fund” of money.
So what’s the point of the paper shuffle?Since the curent interest being paid on these loans is artificial any way,there is no reason the gov’t couldn’t change the rate being charged ,right?
So it’s another empty promise to provde something?That really isn’t being provded any different than before.
So once again the Dems want to look like they are doing something,that they are not….

They have poisoned the pill of killing this bill by adding the defunding of ACORN as an amendment.

This is beyond sick.

You’re a fool. It costs a hell of lot more to fund a super-bureacracy like the Federal Government, trust me I know. It would be more cost effective for the Government to give me the money to buy computers than it is to buy them through internal acquisition, and I would get them the better computers for far less and I still will be able to keep a profit.