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Hiding Behind Synonyms: Obama Begins Campaign to Throw Gen. McChrystal Under the Bus

If they had gone to the New York Times, the nation would see it as just another example of the Gray Lady’s unrepentant sixties bra burning hysteria against war. Instead, the Obama administration has gone to the Washington Post to begin the process of getting rid of their troublesome General who dares to think winning in Afghanistan is possible.

To understand why and how, we must refer to Jonah Goldberg and his important work Liberal Fascism. This book is necessary reading to understand the goings on of the Obama White House.

“Inspired by ideas like those in William James’s famous essay “The Moral Equivalent of War,” militarism seemed to provide a workable and sensible model for achieving desirable ends. Mussolini, who openly admired and invoked James, used this logic for his famous “Battle of the Grains” and other sweeping social initiatives. Such ideas had an immense following in the United States, with many leading progressives championing the use of “industrial armies” to create the ideal workers’ democracy.” (Goldberg, p. 5-6)

Obama is a product of the left and the left, as Goldberg notes, has taken the idea of the moral equivalence of war and run with it through social policy. In a column last year on the “War for the Environment”, Goldberg noted,

Ever since philosopher William James coined the phrase “moral equivalent of war,” self-described progressives have sought to galvanize the masses for collective purposes. They have loved the idea of war-without-war precisely because they want a public that follows in lockstep and individuals who will sacrifice their personal ambitions for the “greater good.” This is what John Dewey, James’s disciple, called the “social benefits of war.” Dewey, later a famous pacifist, supported WWI because he believed it would usher in an age of collectivism and crush laissez-faire capitalism.

Thus we find ourselves staring in the face of military defeat in Afghanistan, which will lead to a cascading series of events up to and including a collapsed Pakistan followed by an Islamofascist war against India run out of Islamabad.

That we are headed in this direction is all laid out in the Washington Post.E. J. Dionne’s column this morning provides the foundation for Obama’s capitulation in Afghanistan. This is the proverbial “trial balloon.”

At a White House dinner with a group of historians at the beginning of the summer, Robert Dallek, a shrewd student of both the Kennedy and Johnson administrations, offered a chilling comment to President Obama.

“In my judgment,” he recalls saying, “war kills off great reform movements.” The American record is pretty clear: World War I brought the Progressive Era to a close. When Franklin D. Roosevelt was waging World War II, he was candid in saying that “Dr. New Deal” had given way to “Dr. Win the War.” Korea ended Harry Truman’s Fair Deal, and Vietnam brought Lyndon Johnson’s Great Society to an abrupt halt.

Dallek is not a pacifist, and he does not pretend that his observation settles the question against war in every case. Of the four he mentioned, I think World War II and Korea were certainly necessary fights.

But Dallek’s point helps explain why Obama is right to have grave qualms about an extended commitment of many more American troops to Afghanistan. Obama was elected not to escalate a war but to end one. The change and hope he promised did not involve a vast new campaign to transform Afghanistan.

In Dallek and Dionne’s minds, and no doubt Obama’s mind, the real war is in danger of sabotaging the metaphorical wars of moral equivalence that Obama would rather be fighting. Dionne goes on to rain on General McChrystal’s parade.

In his recent report to the president, Gen. Stanley A. McChrystal, the top U.S. commander in Afghanistan, noted repeatedly that the effort there had been “under-resourced.” It sure would have been nice if we had settled Afghanistan before beating the drums of war in Iraq.

It’s also enraging that those who insist on offsetting every penny spent to expand health coverage would never ask the Congressional Budget Office to score the costs of McChrystal’s strategy. For the uninsured, they propose fiscal prudence. For war, they offer profligacy.

Note that “profligacy” means a “wasteful use of resources.” Dionne cannot yet say we are “wasting” our time in Afghanistan because the White House has not made the case yet. Dionne instead hides behind synonyms, but, like Obama, uses words with purpose.

Because we are wasting our time in Afghanistan, we cannot waste our resources on health care, global warming, etc. Each liberal issue is more important than our national security. The shift away from Afghanistan must happen. Dionne is signaling that it will happen. He is floating, in this trial balloon, the idea that we are wasting our time in Afghanistan and that we should be prepared to treat all wars on the same budgetary footing — especially morally equivalent wars that are, to the left, of even greater importance.

For this to happen, the White House must undermine popular General Petraeus and paint General McChrystal as insubordinate and out of control.

The White House is already starting the machine.

First, they are ignoring Petraeus. Second, they are out to get McChyrstal.

National security adviser James L. Jones suggested Sunday that the public campaign being conducted by the U.S. commander in Afghanistan on behalf of his war strategy is complicating the internal White House review underway, saying that “it is better for military advice to come up through the chain of command.”

Never mind that advice cannot go through the chain of command when the chain puts ear muffs on. Why the ear muffs? Because Joe Biden wants a different policy.

Gen. Stanley A. McChrystal, who commands the 100,000 U.S. and international forces in Afghanistan, warned bluntly last week in a London speech that a strategy for defeating the Taliban that is narrower than the one he is advocating would be ineffective and “short-sighted.” The comments effectively rejected a policy option that senior White House officials, including Vice President Biden, are considering nearly eight years after the U.S. invasion.

Remember, it was less than two years ago that the left was criticizing George Bush for ignoring the advice of his commanders.

Now the circle begins to complete itself. The War in Afghanistan is a distraction from morally equivalent wars. E. J. Dionne writes a column saying as much and pointing out the costs of the war are ignored when the costs of health care are not. The White House begins throwing McChrystal under the bus. Once McChrystal goes, the war can be declared unwinnable by a more compliant General. Resources can be pulled. Obama can explain the War on Health Care is winnable and more important.

Prediction: The media will begin a detailed examination of the Soviet Union’s losses in Afghanistan and will wholly ignore the fragile state of Pakistan’s government and the fact that we were fighting the Soviets by proxy in Afghanistan.

Why would they ignore that? Because (A) they will have to make the case that no one is using Afghanistan to fight us by proxy or (B) if they did (A) they would then have to identify who is fighting us by proxy, which would raise too many questions Obama and the media protecting him would rather ignore.

COMMENTS

  • IJB

    All that we’ve seen from them recently just re-confirms that prediction…

  • spimnyborg

    “The Party seeks power entirely for its own sake. We are not interested in the good of others; we are interested solely in power. Not wealth or luxury or long life or happiness: only power, pure power. What pure power means you will understand presently. We are different from all the oligarchies of the past, in that we know what we are doing. All the others, even those who resembled ourselves, were cowards and hypocrites.” – 1984, George Orwell

    It’s all getting just a bit too familiar.

    I love Big Brotha!

  • bobojake

    and the United States is throwing obama under the bus.
    We now have a lame duck after 9 months the same amount of time for a child to born.
    I’ll take the Status quo over any foney BOLD ACORN elcrapo of obamas
    Thank You Gen McChrystal for your SERVICE something obama knows nothing about.

  • Common_Cents

    Obama is hesitant to make any major decisions or changes, why? Because then he would own it.

    Obama is politically content with letting the war drag on until it becomes a Rahmesque crisis, and Obama will then have the politcal capital to pull out at any cost and be able to blame it on Bush.

  • mbecker908

    The objective of the left is to lose wars making it impossible to mount an effort to use the military in the future.

  • Duke

    I think Gen. McChrystal sees the handwriting on the wall. We aren’t going to win in Afganistan, the hard left is demanding we get out, and The One can’t be seen as doing what the right has been warning all along – losing our butt in Afganistan with his goofy military ideas.

    By Gen. McChrystal coming out swinging now he buys some political insurance that keeps him free of the back wheels of the bus, should Comrade Zero steer the bus over him. Smart move on the General’s part.

  • mom2oneson

    I never would have ever known what congress did to Vietnam about the funding if it wasn’t for that thread between you and CG. It’s so weird nobody IRL talks about it at all.

  • Ausonius

    The ugly open secret is that there can be nothing but contempt in the military for NObama and his pacifist loser “won’t – use – the- word – Victory” agenda.

    If this leads to an open conflict a la Macarthur and Truman, it will be very interesting. Truman said he wanted to avoid atomic warfare. One can postulate alternative History, wherein Korea escalates to a small nuclear conflict, with the U.S. winning easily over the non-nuclear Chinese and/or over the barely nuclear Soviets.

    No Cold War by 1952, no more massacres in China with deaths by the tens of millions by 1970, not to mention the millions perishing in Siberia at that time, the people shot for trying to escape the Iron Curtain Countries, Cuba etc.

    To be fair to Truman, we know now that Soviet technology was fairly incompetent: he did not want to risk that.

    Any rumors of Petraeus or now maybe McChrystal being interested in presidential politics?

    Alternative History 2020:

    If only NObama had won Afghanistan instead of pulling out and declaring it no longer a danger.

    If only NObama had not played footsy with every little and large dictator on the planet.

    If only NObama had allowed Israel to bomb Iranian nuclear facilities.

    If only NObama had supported the Iranian freedom underground, and the Honduran overthrow of Zelaya.

    If only NObama had not caused the hyper-inflation with massive spending and taxes which triggered Weimar-style disaster in the American.

  • azred

    The domino effect in the region, and the fact that the region is heavily armed with nukes. They can cut the legs out of it, and withdraw, but the consequences are dire.

    So the price that will be paid as a result will be infinitely higher.

    I can’t see any scenario that comes out of this that will not escalate to a massive regional conflict that will involve Europe and Russia. Afghanistan falls, and soon after Pakistan falls. Israel will be engaged quickly. (and scolded by the WH of course). But the idiots wannabes in the WH have other domestic priorities that will require heavy head in the sand mentality to force through.

  • John E.

    This is a well argued analysis that I’d promote beyond RS’s front page.

  • louisiana

    for 20 years who still has connections. He said that fighter jets are rarely being used in Afghanistan now because of fear of civilian casualties. Helicoptors are now deployed instead. Obviously, this means a slower response time, & our
    service men & women are being killed because of this. He said these orders were handed down by someone in the high command, possibly McChrsystol.
    He personally doesn’t care too much for most of the generals, as he said they have to do too much a-kissing to get to that position. Our friends son is a Navy Seals sniper (just returned from Iraq), & said that the situation in Afghanistan is critical, & getting worse.

  • Ausonius

    The Left cannot tolerate any kind of warfare except the antiseptic kind: I have also heard from former students now in the military that the rules of engagement in Aghanistan are almost as long and complex as the Dems’ Hell-th Care bill.

    The result can only be higher casualties for us, and the realization among the enemy – which has been obvious since Vietnam – that hiding behind civilians will become a major tactic of short-term success, and possibly, if you wait long enough, long-term success as well.

    Obviously one would not want a “kill them all, let God sort them out” philosophy behind our troops, but there should be better alternatives.

  • anotherindyfilmguy

    a recent article where the general trend among the Afghan civilians we are bent on “protecting” are pissed off because the “avoid civilians casualties at all costs” attitude has made them hostages of the Taliban?

    We keep handcuffing our side then moan about how “we haven;t won yet” like war is a game of football. It’s not. The consequences in the long term, collapsed Pakistan/terrorist with nukes/resurgent AQ etc will make the misery of today pale if we don;t show the spine and smarts to win today. IMO the O is not a winner. Hopefully he will at least delegate to the Generals and say “do what has to be done” instead of “and now Joe here is going to micromanage every airstrike”….

  • Duke

    Hopefully he will at least delegate to the Generals and say ?do what has to be done? instead of ?and now Joe here is going to micromanage every airstrike??.

    Democrats will always tie the hands of the military by requiring prior approval, target rankings, etc. In VN we were given a target priority list, then told to begin attacking the lowest ranked first. By the time we got halfway through the list we couldn’t attack the high priority targets because the north had moved the hundreds of POWs they’d captured in the prior attacks to the vicinities of the high-priority targets. Pres. Johnson even bragged about how, “They can’t attack so much as a shithouse over there without my say-so.”

    Lib-Dems like to talk, not win wars.

  • bk

    is that after we left, the bad guys started killing the good guys over there and left it at that.

    After we leave Afghanistan, the bad guys will kill all the good guys there, and then start killing more of us wherever we may be.

  • bk

    is that it got him a second meeting with Obama.

    Of course it was a dressing-down and involved no discussion of what the general needs in Afghanistan, but the WH can classify it as a “meeting”.

  • mbecker908

    It’s really not all that wierd. It’s history, and damn near nobody knows anything that really happened in the last 30 years.

  • mbecker908

    will THIS administration be involved in pushing back the bad guys if it involves anything more agressive than giving them free tickets to 2016 Chicago Alternative Non-Racist Gay & Lesbian Olympics.

  • http://curiousmojo.blogspot.com/ Patrick McGarry

    I’m glad McChrystal is going on the offensive. I’m sure he knows what it means to his career but it’s good to see somebody with some integrity standing up for what’s right and not just playing the game.

  • JadedByPolitics

    resign under DURESS because their Commander in Chief is killing their men on the ground. I believe that those men are 100X the man then Obama could ever be and for them to have to watch their soldiers die for nothing less then VICTORY must be the most painful lesson’s of their lives.

  • abbynormal

    Our local paper carried a story recently about how our Oceana based pilots are affected by these restrictions, which have been in play since July.

    http://hamptonroads.com/2009/09/oceana-pilots-face-new-restrictions-afghanistan

  • Jack_Savage

    No way we hit Iran. No way.

    They have made it so that no President other than a Democrat can use troops.

  • Achance

    No transport, obviously little or no air support. My son had a lot of video of attacks by large groups, a hundred or more, Taliban against an Army platoon or two; the Army wasn’t afraid of those odds because they could suppress fire with artillery and air strikes. Comrade Obama is killing our soldiers with overly restrictive ROE and I am very thankful that my son is no longer an infantryman!

  • IJB

    They’d so smoke the rest of the (career politician) GOP field that it wouldn’t even be funny. Romney and Rev. Huck wouldn’t get 3 votes under that scenario…

  • SteveLA

    Think back to the Slick Willy days in Bosnia and restrictions on aircrews then.

    Don’t fly too low.

    Don’t get too aggressive.

    Disgusting then, disgusting now.

    Good men and women in our Armed Forces getting killed by a Chicken S*** President’s fear or really waging war…to win.

  • SteveLA

    Petraus grew up in NY, but I’m not sure where he considers his home state.

    I’d vote for ether or both of these fine men.

  • http://brockwayfamily.spaces.live.com/ Erick Brockway

    Because we are wasting our time in Afghanistan, we cannot waste our resources on health care, global warming, etc. Each liberal issue is more important than our national security. The shift away from Afghanistan must happen. Dionne is signaling that it will happen. He is floating, in this trial balloon, the idea that we are wasting our time in Afghanistan and that we should be prepared to treat all wars on the same budgetary footing ? especially morally equivalent wars that are, to the left, of even greater importance.

    He wanted to cram everything through before Afghanistan started coming unhinged, since to appease his own base he won’t do anything to actually risk winning.
    Now he sees things sliding quicker than expected, panic sets in. The Agenda is stalling, Reid is talking Reconciliation to cram it through as fast as possible before things get any worse “over there”.
    Remember Obama lifting restrictions on the press using pictures of our dead soldiers and Marines? I posted here and later here when it actually started to come back to haunt him.
    8 or more likely 10 dead now in the toughest fighting in a year, and no doubt it’s panic time for the HCR bunch and others.
    So he faces a sunken socialist agenda if he tries to win in Afghanistan, and a virtual conveyor belt of bodies if he doesn’t.
    In the end, he may well lose both as well as a lot of brave men and women in the process.
    Elections definitely do have consequences, as do actions and inaction, and in the end everybody loses.
    Thanks O idiots on the left.

  • redneck_hippie

    a slowly dawning realization that the international community has no problem telling him no. If we get in a jam in Afghanistan or anywhere else, the rest of the world has shown they are suitably unimpressed with Obama’s leadership. Instead of Obama gaining a Bush 41-like coalition, the ostensible allies are saying, no thank you.

  • izoneguy

    They see Obama as a weak willed beta male. The British were the first to help when Bush called them up. Obama is no George Bush & the British know it. Obama is a lousy poker player. He shows his cards and does not even try to hide them. He does not know how to bluff and he is way down and hardly has any chips left.

    This is the time folks like Obama turn the table over and crawl out during the distraction.

  • http://brockwayfamily.spaces.live.com/ Erick Brockway

    Imagine what a hit Obama will be after NATO nations start receiving deliveries en masse.
    He picked McChrystal; Him…The One. Am I wrong?
    He better start listening to him, unless Obama has a secret West Point ring nobody knows about.

  • redneck_hippie

    Unfortunately, folks like Putin don’t get distracted. Ever.

  • redneck_hippie

    by Obama.

    But, what do you mean by a West Point ring?

  • http://brockwayfamily.spaces.live.com/ Erick Brockway

    Is what people are called who graduate West Point or Annapolis, so names because of the HUGE rings they inevitable seem to get after graduation.
    Unless Obama found one on EBay, I think McChrystal has him beat in that department.
    Oh lol. You thought I meant some secret “ring of West Point” conspirators?

  • littlehouse18

    I’m not sure the country can survive over 3 (or God forbid 7) more years of this guy. Can total incompetency be a ‘misdemeanour’?

    What a shame the Repubs used impeachment on Willy. It should never be used on Lewinsky-type stuff. Now when our very freedom is engangered, they are powerless to entertain the idea. I used to think B.O. was immune to being impeached, but with his inability to truly lead, maybe it could have happened.

  • redneck_hippie

    a decoder ring or something. Obama most likely wouldn’t want anything to do with West Point – he probably secretly thinks the cadets are all fascists or something.

  • izoneguy

    Obama does not understand what is going on.

    The rejection by the IOC was a slap in the face to Obama & Michelle.

    Now Obama has a crap sandwich to eat over a hot & flaming war in Afghanistan that he thought he could forget. Obama is the main actor in this American tragedy and it must be played out.

  • David123

    snarc – with a grain of truth

    Nixon was going to get impeached and convicted/thrown-out for the crime of obstruction of justice.

    Clinton gets to stay in office after obstruction of justice and perjury as well.

    Rep Conyers kept hinting he wanted to impeach Bush for something.

  • archer52

    Soldiers die. That is just a fact. Some die foolishly led by poor commanders or into battle with bad planning. None of it is good, none of it is acceptable. But it happens.

    I read a lot of books covering WWII. The last “good war” if you want to believe left’s opinion. There were a great number of battles where our troops were committed to the fight without the right equipment, good planning or poor leadership. The difference was that the sacrifice was understood as necessary because there was only one goal-victory. The landings at Normandy, the battle through the bocage, the attacks through the minefields of North Africa by the British, all were well planned, tough but seriously flawed in the execution causing thousands upon thousands of injuries and deaths.

    Ever since we decided, politically, that wars were an extension of political maneuvering we have learned how to fight not to win. From Korea (which still haunts us), to Vietnam, to the first Gulf War and now Afghanistan, our political leaders think they can play around with our soldiers like they were chess pieces on a global board. That is a crime. It has always been a crime, but one committed by both parties.

    It gets tiring and frustrating watching our young men and women get hammered by the enemy, who should not be able to peek out from a cave mouth without getting a missile in the teeth, but seem to run freely, setting up murderous ambushes. But as tiring as that gets, having someone as incompetent as Obama, whose beliefs and motives are suspect at best, actually be the one who makes the final decision is like we are throwing lives away in those mountains. Right now he is waiting for or working toward that opportunity where he can pull back and leave all those lives wasted, and all those Afghans who believed in us to the wolves.

    For all of those who voted for “Hope and Change” remember this moment and remember that elections have consequences, sometimes deadly consequences.

  • DavidS1787

    Put them on the ground in Afghanistan to conduct the war for the remainder of their Term and put General Petraeus and General McChrystal in the White House.

  • larryp

    and Israel bobmbed it or strafed it. It happened so fast and references
    disappeared equally as fast. Was it a nuke plant?
    Also Saddam had one going in 1980s, and Israel knocked it out.

    The Iranian 2nd installation is located at Qom. That area has had 2 major earthquakes. Not a great place for under ground nuke plant.

  • larryp

    in Afghanistan?
    Seems like they could call in an air strike on the area surrouding the fwd bases.I am not military so do ROE allow that?

  • avgamerican

    How long will it be till we see a mass exodus of high US commanders from the Obama Administration? It’s not difficult to detect that Obama is not going to commit in Afghanistan and will be in effect causing an increase in casualties. How many top commanders will put up with that before they tell the President, either you withdraw completely or they will resign. I would rather have our troops out than watch the President keep these defeatist tactics and costing more American lives.

  • http://brockwayfamily.spaces.live.com/ Erick Brockway

    My understanding is the ROE is strict to the point that every target is triple checked. Not sure exactly what the ROE are anymore.
    Roggio has more, and according to his post the recent attack at FOB Keating didn’t end until copters and strike aircraft ended it. Families haven’t even been fully notified, so more will come out.
    They’re saying the firefight lasted several hours, so not sure why strikes weren’t called earlier.

  • porterjervis

    With all the recent ‘incidents’ of DC’s MetroBus operators mowing down unsuspecting pedestrians, General McChrystal may want to be careful crossing the street the next time he is in Washington. Some people get ideas from seemingly unconnected ‘accidents’

  • pythandmoan

    I see too many polls on issues and names that are too uncomfortably close to 50%. And the polls on Afganistan show that the antiwar presumptions are beginning to permeate as we get story after story about the “war weary public”.
    Sadly the “free” press will keep lame suck status at bay for the remaining 39 months of this government.

  • mdd1956

    Honesty / Conservatism.

  • astrolite

    Then purge the media and hollywood——-deport them then refuse visa’s. See if any other country wants them? Remember “useful idiots”

  • dclamage

    The key to winning Afghanistan is the Taliban. Obama’s own mission statement is to deny Al Qaeda safe haven by (a) destroying AQ everywhere they pop up and (b) by severely punishing those who support AQ.

    Hence we are now fighting Taliban. AQ is all but gone there now.

    If Taliban publicly denounced AQ and desupported AQ, the war in Afghanistan against Taliban would abruptly halt.

    Taliban need to engage instead politically not militarily. They want all westerners out of Afghanistan. Fine, we’d be happy to leave as soon as we are convinced AQ has been eradicated from the region. We’re only interested secondarily with a democratic Afghanistan.

    Taliban should be helping us stamp out Islamic Extremism. Just as they once helped us stamp out the criminal drug trade in Afghanistan. Of course now they are the criminal drug traders.

    Obama should reach out to Taliban and convince them of our sincerity. Make peace with them, and end the war. The security of Pakistan depends on Taliban backing off militarily.

    I would make one tremendous military push against Taliban, wiping them out mercilessly; then offer them the political out.

  • texasjay

    “Obviously one would not want a ?kill them all, let God sort them out? philosophy behind our troops, but there should be better alternatives.”

    Why not? Wars are fought between two peoples, not just their armies. If the citizens become disengaged and distanced from the reality of war, there is no incentive for peaceful resolution.

    I don’t want to put our military in the position of having to second guess the motives of the “civilian” population that hides and / or supports combatants. These “civilians” are accessories, and justifiable targets.

    Sanitizing of war doesn’t help. Get in, get done, get out.

  • ecroper

    Could you direct me to that information. I love somthing about THE TRUTH. For years Ive been trying diferent scenarios for that time period but nothing seem to work out.So please if you can Ide love to view a diferent angle. I can send you my e-mail if that would be more appropriate.

  • bbuzyme

    This is a great idea. Those two think they know more than the military, so let them fight the war rather than hinder the Generals.

  • ecroper

    ecrdd@yahoo.com

  • ecroper

    obama wasent raised here. He knows nothing about American Heritage or the Integrity it takes to be a Defender of Liberty. He doesnt even think Like any American Ive ever known.He doesnt have a clue what makes us what we are.He is risking our National security for an health care agenda that is getting our Brave U.S. Soldiers and U.N. soldiers killed.When is sombody going to make him accountable along with his media machine and all this leftist policy? Whats really going on here?

  • oldphart

    someone like Putin. As a Russian, he’s a PITA for us Americans but there’s never a moment when he isn’t a champion for the Russian people.

  • Swamp_Yankee

    It doesnt matter where he was raised. And a lot of Americans think just like him, millions in fact.

    Its the universities and his education that perverted his sense of patriotism not his heritage. He is a neo-marxist and he and his cronies are as dangerous as one can imagine. But to assume that his flaws are rooted in his heritage undermines the hard work of conservatives trying to expose the extent of the subversive radical underground in this country and to assume his troops are some super-minority naively underestimates their stregnth.

  • Swamp_Yankee

    It doesnt matter where he was raised. And a lot of Americans think just like him, millions in fact.

    Its the universities and his education that perverted his sense of patriotism not his heritage. He is a neo-marxist and he and his cronies are as dangerous as one can imagine. But to assume that his flaws are rooted in his heritage undermines the hard work of conservatives trying to expose the extent of the subversive radical underground in this country and to assume his troops are some super-minority naively underestimates their stregnth.

  • alamo294

    You think Obama could convince them of our sincerity? What a laugh.

    We need to win this war by wiping out the bad guys. With BO at the helm, it won’t happen.

  • Streiff

    Taliban should be helping us stamp out Islamic Extremism.

    Since they *are* islamic extremists, definitionally, it is pretty freakin dumb to advocate that they help stamp themselves out.

  • http://www.jeannie-ology.com jeannieology

    an “upstart!” Can you imagine the biggest upstart in the history of American politics calling the General an upstart!

    www.jeannie-ology.com

  • merlyn

    Many who comment on the face-off between McChrystal and zer0 compare it to the MacArthur/Truman confrontation.

    A better analogy and closer in time was the 1977 situation between General Singlaub and Peanut Carter. Look it up.

    Singlaub knew that if Peanut pulled the 2nd ID off the DMZ, the N. Koreans were prepared to invade S. Korea. He’d been briefed about this just weeks before. When Singlaub told a reporter (supposedly on ‘deep background,’) his views became public overnight. Peanut had a hissy fit and fired him.

    Jack Singlaub’s background is, though much older (he was OSS), similar in a way to McChrystal’s. Peanut and zer0 share a lack of brains and guts.

  • gemimail

    The Iranians have to test their nuke underground because they do not have a remote South Pacific island to test it above ground. They need to make sure their design works before either putting it on rocket to hit Israel or sneaking one over here on a cargo container. Still they want to test it undetected to keep the element of surprise. By doing it near Qom, they can pass the test off as an earthquake. If it sets off a real earthquake for real and kills a few thousand of their own people, oh well you cannot make an omelet without breaking eggs. Besides these people think they can protest against their rulers and need to be taught a lesson anyway,

  • ecroper

    The radical underground has been exposed long ago. ,just trying to keep it exposed and stay ahead of their agenda proves to be life consuming to say the least.I would never disgrace OUR TROOPS by even remotly suggesting that they are his.He assumed the title CIC(coward in charge) by means that no one can explain YET. Its been my experiance that if you let out troops do what they need to do to WIN, this war would have been over by now.Trust me those MEN in harms way know how to end this. The cowards at hand wont let them.

  • ecroper

    Experiance can only be gained by having your inexperiances be exposed.Will this be achieved at the expence of Our Great Nation? Do we have safeguards in place. just incase of an administrations inability to make good decissions.

  • ecroper

    Experiance can only be gained by having your inexperiances be exposed.Will this be achieved at the expence of Our Great Nation? Do we have safeguards in place. just incase of an administrations inability to make good decissions.

  • olddog

    Barrage, Congress, that in- effectual branch of government, what with all the Czar’s.,with e-mails, telegrams, and letters, we cannot let them do to these brave soldiers what the left did to Viet Vets. WE MUST STAND FOR OUR GUYS AND GALS who are in Harms way and not let this ineffectual dolt, do them in…Show them, we are behind them and have their back..

    one old dog

  • edniceville

    For those of us who lived it and served during those years to speak the truth. Any time you send the military to do a job i.e. “kill people and break things.” It is imperative you give them the tools and manpower and get the heck out of the way! Congress, particularly the Democrats have never learned this in the last 50+ years! As a result, thousands of American young men and (now) women will lose their lives. All so BHO can point and say “See! I told you this war was wrong!” “It is all George Bush’s fault!” The trouble is, very soon, it will be very apparent to many, many people who voted for BHO, that HE sent their children off to be slaughtered by their indifference to the military and their desire to see failure at any cost!

    When will this country learn that if you send someone who is an expert to do a job, if you tell them how to do it, it will be done wrong, and at very large expense! If you send them to do the job, listen to their needs for doing it right, it will get done, faster, cheaper and safer!

    We ARE SO SCREWED!

  • edniceville

    will be right here in the used to be “Good Ole USA” Hide your guns, buy lots of ammo while you still can. We are going to need it!

  • mom2oneson