Senate GOP Folding Over Health Care Reform [updated]

http://www.nighttwister.com NightTwister

First the NRSC funds RiNOs, now the existing RiNOs want to snatch defeat from the jaws of victory.

I’d call my Republican Senator if I had one, but I don’t. Some of us here in Colorado plan to change that in 2010.

Marcus_Traianus

Funny, I was in DC last week and a source on the Hill told me there was no way this would get passed with a public option- Reconcilement Process or otherwise.

Now they are trying to pick off the Republican slackers because the votes in their own party are not there.

Despicable.

bk

http://online.logcabin.org/about/ suzieQ

But I can’t say the same for Senator Bennett.

http://hillbillypolitics.com Steph C

just declared war on the American people.

http://www.jeannie-ology.com jeannieology

http://www.americanthinker.com/2009/10/asinine_amendments.html

DrOldSchool

Any word on who or why? We can probably speculate some, but i want to know who these folks are, and if they are being supported by the minority leadership in this decision.

bags64

Republicans are afraid they cannot hold their members in line?

I’m sure Lamar Alexander is one of the waverers.

Third Street

and I’m not even slightly worried about him caving.

Mary Landrieu will vote no because the Dem leadership will allow her to; indeed, may require her to. Her next election is 2014, the year AFTER Obamacare would take effect, so this atrocity will be very fresh on the minds of Louisiana voters. If I were Harry Reid I’d take every possible step to protect her, knowing I had any number of Republican squishes available to make up the vote.

http://www.jeannie-ology.com jeannieology

The Butt Bombing Democrats have given the stupid Republicans the detonator and the dummies are ready to push the button and blow up our health care!!!! Time to start calling people!!!!!

www.jeannie-ology.com

kowalski

It must be those Republicans who wished they lived in Hawaii.

We’re screwed, folks. Our people in the Senate are helping.

http://aposematic.wordpress.com aposematic

Any fake republican (a real Rep. would not vote for it) voting for this castrophy should be thrown out of office ASAP.

Both my Senators and Rep. 09 here in VA are Liberal Dems licking Obama’s feet so their votes are in Obama’s bag.

VA the past two election cycles have gone Dem with some real fishy smelling election precinct counting. The major liberal population centers on the east coast and northeast around DC are always holding out untill the last to report. VA is all computer voting so their is no excuse for this stink in VA elections.

Power_Pro

I just called Senator Alexander’s office shortly before reading the comments here.

He has been and continues to be opposed according to the staffer I spoke with.

Achance

No point in contacting Begich; he’s in the tank for Comrade Obama, and nothing I say would influence him anyway. Aren’t you guys all glad we got rid of that nasty, porky old Ted Stevens?

lewincolorado

I live in Eagle county, CO- and when I saw this it almost made a grown man cry-If this happens we are heading for an absolute CATASTROPHE as a nation!!

http://www.hakubi.us/ Neil Stevens

I’ve been told before that things like illegal alien amnesty were done deals, too.

bosslowrider

My one senator is Jim Demint. I don’t think I have to worry about him (“Obama’s Waterloo”). My #2(in more ways than one) is Lindsey Graham. Who the hell knws how he’ll vote

http://beaglescout.wordpress.com LJ “Beaglescout” Miller

MS here. No worries.

http://www.nighttwister.com NightTwister

There will still be time to reverse this if we do the right thing in 2010 and 2012. Keep working…keep fighting.

cringinghere

Figures

kowalski

Of course, I have only two Senators to call, and one of them is dead.

bk

Call Sen McCain’s office to find out.

E Pluribus Unum

Since IMO it was always a foregone conclusion that they’d get it past the 60-40 Senate.

And I am on record as saying it will NOT pass the House. Not in any form.

jeffreywturner

What is to be gained out of folding?

Are they thinking that the union thugs might support Republicans in the next election if they support this measure?

It can’t possibly be that they think it is a good bill.

kowalski

I’m Going Rogue. Rogue! I tell you.

I hope people in the Senate are listening. Please hear this well:

“IF YOU CAVE ON THE PUBLIC OPTION YOU WILL NEVER RECEIVE ANOTHER DOLLAR FROM ME OR ANY MEMBER OF MY FAMILY AS LONG AS I LIVE, OR UNTIL YOU ARE OUT OF THE SENATE, WHICHEVER COMES FIRST.”

angryalbino

I think they want to call it Medicare For All !

AceInTX

I’d have never predicted this in a thousand years!

{/sarcasm}

Third Street

Rumor has it that Robert Byrd has actually been dead since 2003, and was quietly replaced at that time by a fully-articulated animatronic puppet programmed to mouth lofty-sounding things about the Romans and the Constitutional role of the Senate and then call out an electronicized “yea” for every piece of America-destroying legislation anyway. (The Dem leadership has the puppet sent off to the hospital every few months so as not to arouse suspicion.)

Swamp_Yankee

Ever since the townhalls ended and the recess was over, liberals have been gaining momentum, while conservatives have been resting on laurels. Not sure what happened. you could sense them moving forward agressively.

I’d like to see more info. I can see them compromising on some watered down legislaiton in the name of getting something down, but a government option. That is suprising.

AceInTX

Sit-downs thaw bipartisan freeze

The Dems are stroking these ass clown’s finely tuned egos…and their purring like cat nip intoxicated little kitties!

kowalski

It’s time to Hoist the Black Flag, folks.

I hope Ace straightens this one out. If it can’t be straightened out, the Flag of Death is going up over the Republican Party, and figurative throats will have to be figuratively slitted.

AceInTX

randy streu

We haven’t been keeping the pressure on, in the right spots, in the right manner. Time caught up with us on this.

AceInTX

What is to be gained out of folding?

All you purists just want to make the GOP a regional party and all that!!!

{/sarkasm}

pauly1620

If GOP senators surrender to Harry Reid et al on health care, I will terminate my party membership. I am SICK AND TIRED of RiNOs constantly sabotaging the party, all the while being supported by the party. I can no longer reconcile why we consistently stab ourselves in the back!

Perhaps it is time for the Reaganite Party!

diakrioi

Jeff Sessions for sure and Richard Shelby will probably vote correctly though he can sometimes be bought.

This just sickens me.

peg_c

and my 2 buffoons/idiots/morons/persona non gratas, Schmucky Schumer and Gillibrand, do not return my calls or emails. Not even a form letter. Arrogant A-holes.

What can we in NY and similar commie states do??? (And yes, I mean commie, not socialist.)

peg_c

n/t

peg_c

I LOVE IT!!!

If these idiots think we were obstreperous this year in tea parties and town halls, they ain’t seen NOTHIN’ yet!! I personally want to help make their lives a living hell!

http://www.skiloveland.com skicougar

You knew something would be pulled as soon as the fervor died down when no one was paying attention.

You cannot leave any senator alone.

I do not care how many times staffers tell you to contact your senator; any vote given freely to pass this is against you, if you are for free markets and choice and control of your own healthcare !

I’m off to burn up the phones until the staffers call it quits and turn off voicemail for the day.

Worthless, the senate GOP remains worthless !

http://www.skiloveland.com skicougar

You knew something would be pulled as soon as the fervor died down when no one was paying attention.

You cannot leave any senator alone.

I do not care how many times staffers tell you to contact your senator; any vote given freely to pass this is against you, if you are for free markets and choice and control of your own healthcare !

I’m off to burn up the phones until the staffers call it quits and turn off voicemail for the day.

Worthless, the senate GOP remains worthless !

bags64

i was more confident about Corker than Alexander.

janis

on 99.7 FM in Nashville. He’s not voting for the Health Care thing, and doesn’t think it’ll pass. He’s against the cap and trade thing, and for nuclear energy.

peg_c

DeMint is my fave senator now, esp. after seeing and hearing him in D.C. last month during the miniscule, not-worthy-of-coverage (according to the idiots in the Drive Bys) rally and march. We saw and heard him and Pence at the Armory on 9/10, too.

Must be nice having a senator you can respect.

peg_c

according to Rush today. Obama holds Medicare up as the standard. Ha.

sybilll

I, too, was confident about Corker, not so much on Alexander. When something hot like this happens, I can never get through to either, but, at least Corker responds, when I resort to e-mail. Thanks for the info.

Section9

LeMieux.

Jesus. He’ll fold quicker than a three-card monte dealer being chased by the Transit Police.

I blast the RINO SOB anyway. That’s it, though. Look’s like I’m sending that check off to Young Marco after all.

Richard Mullins

Rubio will have exactly what he need to get over the top and possibly win the nomination. Right now, KBH and Cornyn will most likely vote no but the reason for KBH is the fear of god when it comes to the Republican primary for Governor.

farstar99

I’d rephrase that.

mschmitt

The alternative honestly hadn’t even occurred to me. At this point, all LeMieux/Crist can possibly do is help me decide on the number of zeros in my next donation to the Rubio campaign.

IJB

…The collapse of the current political order in this country.

It absolutely would mean that.

Whether that would mean the collapse of one or both of the current political parties, or something much darker than that, I couldn’t tell you.

But the ‘center’ would not hold if this happens.

And, if it happens, every politico in this country better get lots and lots of bodyguards…

http://hillbillypolitics.com Steph C

Just those reliable few the Dems always count upon. However, for a group of politicos that are usually so poll driven, they’re going to vote against the American people who they swore to serve.

Or perhaps it will be the people who declare war on the Senate via the elections. No matter who does the declaring it’s not going to be pretty.

JustLeaveMeAlone

If ANY of my CongressCritters vote for this, I will work against them.

I’m so angry right now I could just spit.

http://www.skiloveland.com skicougar

Getting nothing but voicemail and turned off voicemail.

Tomorrow, you guys be loud !

Call early and often and everyone !

Less than a month ago, we had all of Congress running scared. They are now being sweet-talked and wined and dined by those that have something to gain by government care; only the people who had to go back to work will be the losers.

Put those job tasks off, come down with pig flu symptoms !

You and those you care for will live with the passing of this, I think one day here and there of filling inboxes and voicemails is a great return to keep your healthcare, yours.

The_Gadfly

as revenue neutral. With that as cover the usual suspects are returning to their natural habits.

There is some bad news in the CBO bill, but the fringe media will bury that. CBO says illegals will be covered. They also say that even after fully implemented we will still 6% of the population (18 million by my calculation) without insurance.

http://www.foxnews.com/politics/2009/10/07/cbo-release-cost-report-sweeping-senate-health-care-reform/

This has to die in the Senate, the rules are too easy for Comrade Pelosi to manipulate in the House.

JustLeaveMeAlone

I’d say more, but we have rules here about language.

Praying

Well, RINOs. I just got done calling Alexander and Corker’s offices – I don’t trust them at all on this. Just what we need. ALL THE RINOS MUST GO! I was not politically active until 1 year ago – please forgive me for 50 years of apathy. But more and more people, like me, are waking up.

Praying

I just got off the phone – yes, it’s after hours – you can leave a message. You all have more confidence in our squishes – er – senators than me – I pray I’m totally wrong, though!

Spartan4Life

Since he is trying to remake the Republican party, why don’t we point out how stupid it is to negotiate with evil liberals(Democrat party)? Why does this have to be my team? This makes me so sad.

I am writing Senator McCain and letting him know how stupid I think this is.

Praying

n/t

Praying

and it will be BROKE soon!

Praying

I made a decision long ago – I will support individuals, not the party!

http://www.hakubi.us/ Neil Stevens

Spartan4Life

Dear Senator McCain,

I am writing you even though I no longer live in Arizona. I am writing you because you purport to be some kind of leader of the Republican Party. I am writing you because the word on the street late in the afternoon today is that Republican Senators are about to fold a winning hand and hand the Democrats a victory that the American people will have shoved down their throats and made to chew on for the next 30 years.

I have tried to tell people you are way to smart to let that happen. I am sure you have correctly seen that the American people do not want more big government solutions to Health Care or the other challenges we face. The American people by a wide margin favor market based reforms which put individuals more in control of their own lives and well being. I am sure you understand that.

I am not saying defeat the Democrat Party just for the sake of claiming victory. Defeat them because they are wrong. Please reward my faith in you.

crosley

I can understand (but don’t condone) a Republican giving in on an issue if it’s incredibly popular (like say increasing the minimum wage), but this health care bill is incredibly UNPOPULAR. There is no “political” plus for a Republican to vote for this.

When you look at the polling, even a majority of Democrat voters are against it, and a HUGE majority of independents and Republicans oppose it.

Couple that with the fact that I don’t see any Republican, even in a really liberal state, lasting through a primary if they join Obama on this issue. It’s an instant career-ender.

I think this bill will end up like amnesty, where all the elites said it should pass with bipartisan support. When it came time to vote, however, it crashed and burned and lost by a huge margin. Politicians (even really liberal ones that wanted it to pass) didn’t want to face angry constituents.

Spartan4Life

If there is one thing we can count on from the Republican Party it is to do really stupid stuff.

If our team(think of the Detroit Lions if they played politics) knew what the Hell they were doing we wouldn’t be in this pickle.

durman

and called Senator Voinovich of Ohio and checked his take on the public option. His staff assured me he would not be voting for any “health bill” with a public option.

Not bad… Seems like most of the time, retiring Republicans tend to screw us.

ranthony

I seem to recall you going to bat for The One and issuing a line to the effect of “this does not contain Medicare cuts.”

However, a hundred and 27 billion smackers would beg to disagree.

Not that I’m surprised any, mind you.

Spartan4Life

Here’s how this is going to go down. The Senate is going to pass the “deficit neutral”(hahahahhhahhhaaaa) Senate bill, which doesn’t have the “public option”(hahhhaaaaaahhhaaaa). Then this is going to conference where the bill that will be agreed to will look mostly like the House bill. They may change the wording to make it seem like it is some sort of compromise but it will be Big Government Health Care, alright. It will go back to the Senate, they’ll get a couple of liberal Republicans to go along, and, Voila!, we’ll have Socialism and America will be on a slow road to obsolescence. Thanks Democrat Party!

drfredc

If one is led by RINOs chasing socialism, it shouldn’t be a total surprise that one ends up without enough intelligence on how to unstick your horn from the butt of the donkey ahead of you and head off in a different direction.

janis

if I’m ever seriously ill. I get the nasty vision of me trying to scratch my way out of my coffin after being buried alive.

Maybe you could do some fighting for America’s future before pronouncing her dead?

http://www.theprecinctproject.wordpress.com ColdWarrior

Most of them believe the unwashed masses will not actually get involved in the political process as precinct committeemen (and of course they won’t tell you about the ffact that half of the PC slots nationwide in our Party were vacant in 2008).

They’ll take their chances that the status quo will remain as is. Half the precinct committeemen slots in the country will remain unfilled. Apparently not enough of the sign holders and costume-wearers at the Tea Parties, and the shouters at the town halls, have bothered to take the next step and actually join the Republican Party as precinct committeemen. And I’m not surprised. Most of the people I ran into at those venues don’t even know what a precinct is. They don’t know who elected Michael Steele. They don’t know the difference between a legislative district and a congressional district.

And the congresscritters know this.

The only thing they fear is a resurgence of participation by conservatives in the precinct committeemen ranks. Because they know precinct committeemen are instrumental in deciding who wins the primary elections. Apparently they don’t see any huge surge in participation. So they’ll take their chances and vote whichever way they think will allow them to survive a primary challenge in a Party that, on average, across the country, remains split about 50-50 in the PC ranks between conservatives and moderates, and is at only half-strength because only 50 per cent of the available PC slots are filled.

They won the primary the last time under those circumstances. Therefore, they figure, they can vote whichever they think is best for their reelection prospects, the Constitution and their oath be damned. Because, if the status quo remains, history tells them they have about a 95 per cent probability of being reelected.

Thank you.

ColdWarrior

www.theprecinctproject.wordpress.com

Spartan4Life

They have zero credibility in this debate. They would sell out their own mothers to protect their little fiefdom. They are an insurance company themselves.

They love the cuts in Medicare Advantage. Because Medicare Advantage has been kicking their literal butts by providing market based solutions. All those people forced off Medicare Advantage will now have to buy AARP supplemental insurance.

AARP is the biggest whore in the brothel. I am 53 and immediately toss anything they send me right into the circular file.

http://www.theprecinctproject.wordpress.com ColdWarrior

implored all the conservatives in the audience to become precinct committeemen to fill up those 50 per cent of the slots that are available?

Oh, they didn’t say that?

I wonder why?

Because even they are afraid of a HIJACKING of the Party by real conservatives — even they fear getting tossed out in a primary by a real conservative alternative. And their friends in the internal Party leadership slots getting booted in the internal Party elections in which the PCs — and only the PCs — vote.

Thank you.

ColdWarrior

www.theprecinctproject.wordpress.com

http://www.theprecinctproject.wordpress.com ColdWarrior

what do you mean?

Are you an elected precinct committeeman?

Thank you.

ColdWarrior

www.theprecinctproject.wordpress.com

http://www.nighttwister.com NightTwister

Spartan4Life

Since I first voted for Mr. Reagan in 1980.

I have given my time and treasure to the Republican Party for almost 30 years only to be left holding the bag by politicians who have no stomach for a fight.

http://www.nighttwister.com NightTwister

Even though there was a time I wanted him gone too, so I accuse myself first.

http://hillbillypolitics.com Steph C

Almost. He’s been wishy-washy a few times; more than I’m comfortable with.

Alexander has been in Washington too long. I don’t trust him either, although if he said point blank that he’s not voting for it, he’ll not vote for it. If he hem-haws around about it that’s when you really have to watch him.

andysmith

….was when one of his amendments for dilling ANWR got shot down in a national security bill, and he stood on the floor of the Senate and proceeded to shout a number of things, my favorite being “….and I will go to all of you states, and tell them what you’ve just done!”

Spartan4Life

3.

Section9

Everyone knows that it was scored to give the RINO’s cover to vote for Baucus. That story has been percolating for a week, at least.

More vaporware dollars. More slavery to China.

Start taking a list of the Quislings.

Section9

If you hang around Red State long enough, you’ll get used to that. Especially the Campaign Committees.

The Beltway GOP is in the butt covering business. That’s all they know how to do. These people couldn’t beat Hitler in a race for Mayor of Haifa. You expect them to stand on principle?

Section9

I give my money to SarahPAC.

Still, it’s not done yet. Let’s see what happens. Perhaps they will recover some sense of honorable manhood.

throwback59

only thing the Rino’s are good for. Spineless pr**ks. WhichI guess makes them limp richards.

bs

Once the pols get back into their little insulated universe that is DC they forget there are real live voters sitting back in their districts/states, and they become beholden once again to Senate/House leadership and their ~~cash cows~~ favorite lobbyists.

It’s a lot easier to put on pressure when they’re sitting in front of you in a town hall than by simply sending emails.

The only way to slap them back to their senses is to either show up on their doorstep in person or to CALL ON THE PHONE and lock up the Capitol switchboards.

VinceP1974

I wonder if this sudden news of inevitability isn’t just a psychological warfare tactic by the Left, injected into the soup to get everyone to believe it’s inevitable.

Right-wingers always fall for the Left-Wing mind games

http://impudent.blognation.us/blog kyle8

I certainly would not be tempted by senior citizen prostitutes.

1stRichard

I found that rep Neil?s office is working with SEIU-ACORN on a phone bank and mass mailing to promote liberal propaganda on health care. If there is one spam bot there is going to be more, they are trying to flood out our message. Yes, I know they get paid to do it thus un fair but what can we do? All this is so infuriating?

Ward_Off_Monkey

but switches midstream to the liberal side of the fence. I had this experience with him in a letter of reply I received after writing to him about the cap-and-tax. No he wouldn’t vote for it, the financial impact was too draconian, especially in this weak economy. Sounded good. Then he started talking about how he did think, however, that some legislation needed to be passed in the future to severely curtail carbon dioxide emmissions so he would be working faithfully with members of the opposition party to draft and pass such legislation.

I continually wonder why he has an R after his name.

JSobieski

Its not like our DC Republicans have earned much of our confidence

Raven

I am so tired of Casey and what’s his name? The old guy who finally joined the party he was born for…

Illinicon

Graham was ralling agnaist the Bacus bill and the CBO scoring of the bill on Cavuto. He was rightly pointing out how the CBO score is based on the bill staying as writen and being implemented as such, which he doubted would be because nobody would vote to keep the medicare cuts or the taxes on medical equipment going. If GOP Senators were really folding I think Graham would be one of the first to change sides. Though those who have fence sitting GOP senators representing them should keep the pressure on.

Jack_Savage

Senator Stevens and I know that lunch martinis are like boobs. One is not enough, but three is too many.

Matthew

If the GOP caves in here they are just begging for a third party to materialize in 2012 if not 2010. I changed my voting registration to no party affiliation back when they controlled congress and went on a spending spree. Just being not as bad as the Democrats just isn’t good enough.

I won’t bother calling either of my Senators since I live on Cape Cod.

The_Gadfly

what was being said. I happen to agree with you.

If the CBO were really a non-partisan accountable to the people organization they would have sent it back to the Finance committee saying they can’t accurately score a bill that doesn’t contain the legislative language.

The_Gadfly

are they clearly getting the message those of us who either live in flyover country or are more philosophically attuned with those who live there are very unhappy with how they conducted themselves between 2001 and 2006?

http://www.skiloveland.com skicougar

“[UPDATED:] I?m hearing this evening from both some Senators in the room and staff that the fears of GOP caving are overblown and we should not be concerned.”

I took off work early yesterday and was prepared to do the same today.

Now, I’m going to have to work today !

Man, doing no work and getting paid; yelling at your representatives on a whim; life as a democrat ain’t 1/2 bad. Sure, there’s that threat of turning 60 and at the first sign of heart disease, the government’s Dr. death comes by with a shot or I could be sent to the poor house on carbon and medical taxes and i might die in a dirty bomb explosion; but if I don’t have to work; it might be worth it.

http://www.skiloveland.com skicougar

“[UPDATED:] I?m hearing this evening from both some Senators in the room and staff that the fears of GOP caving are overblown and we should not be concerned.”

I took off work early yesterday and was prepared to do the same today.

Now, I’m going to have to work today !

Man, doing no work and getting paid; yelling at your representatives on a whim; life as a democrat ain’t 1/2 bad. Sure, there’s that threat of turning 60 and at the first sign of heart disease, the government’s Dr. death comes by with a shot or I could be sent to the poor house on carbon and medical taxes and i might die in a dirty bomb explosion; but if I don’t have to work; it might be worth it.

sharonmcp

Federal records show that AARP CEO A. Barry Rand, a close friend of Obama’s, has given $15,900 to Democratic campaign committees since 1995 including contributing $8,900 to
President Obama’s campaign committees.

Dividedwefail.org is a joint partnership between AARP, the National Federation of Independent Business, Business
Roundtable and SEIU (Service Employees International Union).

White House political affairs director, Patrick Gaspard, was the
executive vice president of politics and legislation for Local 1199 SEIU United Healthcare Workers East.

There is a DIRECT link between the SEIU and ACORN. (if you don’t
believe me, google it. and while you’re at it, google about Obama’s long time connection with ACORN)

AceInTX

[UPDATED:] I?m hearing this evening from both some Senators in the room and staff that the fears of GOP caving are overblown and we should not be concerned.

Sunnie57

Call these targeted senators, especially if they are from your state:

http://www.rallycongress.com/freedomworks/2435/call-congress-urge-no-vote-on-obamacare/

Sunnie57

Call these targeted senators, especially if they are from your state:

http://www.rallycongress.com/freedomworks/2435/call-congress-urge-no-vote-on-obamacare/

jeffreywturner

But you ARE joking right?

RS

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