Only three months ago, Florida Governor Charlie Crist, declared by Barack Obama to be his favorite Republican, maintained a 30 point lead over Marco Rubio.
The Chamber of Commerce this weekend released a new poll this weekend that has lots of people buzzing in Florida. Only days after Crist’s top supporters began to buzz that Crist might drop out of the race, the Chamber of Commerce shows, “Among likely Republican voters, 44 percent back Crist for the Senate and 30 percent would vote for Marco Rubio.”
Keep in mind that we have many months to go and Rubio keeps getting closer and closer to the lead.
Friends, this race must be a Hill to Die On for conservatives across the country. This race is not about Florida. This race is about the future of the nation and the direction of the Republican Party. Will we go toward ever bigger government and greater spending, or will we return to a government that, in Abraham Lincoln’s words, “lets every man make himself”?
Marco Rubio needs our prayers, but he also needs our support and our money.
The Republican Establishment that raced to help Charlie Crist will take notice of our efforts when Marco Rubio wins the Republican Primary. The Republican Party must learn to either respect its base or lose without us.
In both NY-23 and the Florida Senate race, we can send a very powerful message for freedom, limited government, and the opportunity of people to make themselves free of government control and constraint.

Then let us fight in the shade.
archer52 Sunday, October 18th at 1:23PM EDT (link)http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=qvx7oXqiaMM
I agree. However, like I have said before, it is a risk to split the vote and you could find yourself in the wilderness for years. Goldwater was Reagan’s first shot in 1964 it wasn’t until 1980 that he was elected President. So, are you willing to let the years go by and all the bad programs that will be enacted along with that?
I don’t disagree, I just don’t want to hear the complaining later if the House and Senate remain firmly in the left’s control. In time, if there is time, we’ll get our majority back. People are just not willing to be slaves, now or in the future.
I wish we could grab control of the party first, then put up our candidates, but I have no insight on how to do it. I think the influence of Newt, Graham and McCains still holds too much sway.
Worse, as a party the Republicans are the gang that couldn’t shoot straight, but they do have the infrastructure (which is why I want to hijack it. Why build a new car when there is a sweet one just sitting there). What we need is a national conservative leader that demands the change. Somebody like Michael Pence on steroids. I honestly think that anyone who stood up and simply stole the speech from Braveheart would galvanize this nation. “FREEDOM!” should be the one word spoken from all of our lips.
This is for all the marbles. If Obama gets his way, we’ll end up with a government much like that of Mussolini’s Italy.
http://truthandcommonsense.com/2009/10/15/i-hate-being-right-especially-on-this-american-spectator-outlines-our-future-not-good/
That is dangerous ground.
Whenever people of principle
Vegas_Rick Sunday, October 18th at 2:33PM EDT (link)take up the fight, there is risk of losing. Losing has negative consequences at times. But let’s look at the alternatives:
1. We don’t fight and Crist gets elected. We then have another Lindsey Graham or worse. He’s already butt buddies with Obama, has praised his porkulus plans, put a liberal on Florida’s Supreme Court… So, we’ve gained or lost nothing.
2. We fight and the Dem wins. He’ll probably support the President’s agenda, just like Crist. We’ve gained or lost nothing.
3. We fight and Rubio wins. WE WIN HUGE!
I personally think the risk-to-reward is very compelling.
“Nothing in this world can take the place of persistence. Talent will not; nothing is more common than unsuccessful people with talent. Genius will not; unrewarded genius is almost a proverb. Education will not; the world is full of educated derelicts. Persistence and determination alone are omnipotent. The slogan ‘press on’ has solved and always will solve the problems of the human race.” Calvin Coolidge.
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AceInTX Sunday, October 18th at 2:47PM EDT (link)first off…this is a primary where this battle is properly fought
next….have you been asleep for the last 12 years?
A lot of those bad programs have been passed and advanced by Republican presidents and congresses….
For the life of me I can’t understand why people can’t understand that we can’t advance our principles and achieve our goals of limiting government taxation and regulation by enabling the party that is supposed to representing us in their appeasement and collaboration with big government policies and the Democrats who support them…
If a bloodletting must occur to bring this appeasement and collaboration to a screaching halt…then I say better now when the Republican Party has a tenuous grip on the claim of being the party of smaller government and lesser taxation…than a couple years from now when the establishment has destroyed the last vestiges of that brand recognition.
The beauty of this race however…is that at this point…since these are primaries…is we can oppose the establishment…and nominate the better, more conservative candidate…and still keep the seat in the R column since polls show both Crist and Rubio beating the Dem
As for the rest of it…no one is looking for a slave…but there have to be defining issues where the people’s representatives can be counted on to represent the parties interests…and there has to be a consequence for breaking that trust…until there is…we will continue our slide into the abyss!
you say:
The way you do it is to oppose the establishment pick in every primary that is feasible…and you win the general with you candidate…that’s what we’re calling for here, and in NY 23 and in PA with Toomey….then you get out and work within the party starting with your precinct…take control of it as a precinct chair and then reach out to other like minded precinct chairs in other precincts…build coalitions to overtake the district conversions and so on to the state level….get two of your folks in position as the Republican Party committeeman who then vote for the chairmen and officers of the RNC!
this is the key…it all starts with YOU…and you won’t do it if you insist on being a blind follower and make excuses for the party bosses and the nominees they order you to support!
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Jim Mullins Monday, October 19th at 1:58AM EDT (link)that the Democratic candidate will be Congressman Kendrick Meek, who at best is a third-tier candidate. Anyone with a pulse and an R beside his or her name should be able to clean his clock. Florida Republicans just have to decide whether they want to send another Arlen Specter or Lincoln Chafee to the Senate or a real conservative who will try to prevent this country from being driven over a cliff.
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Rubio can do it, and Crist knows it
GregInFla Sunday, October 18th at 1:24PM EDT (link)Here’s the link to the Miami Herald story. Crist has started radio ads during The Rush Limbaugh show here in Brevard County. Others report radio ads in Fort Myers/Naples. The ads talk about how Crist cut spending in Florida and how we need to cut back federal spending. If he expects informed voters to believe him, he has another thing coming (like much more time at home with his new bride). I cannot wait to hear Rubio’s rebuttal ad.
When a favorite with the name recognition of Crist only gets 44 percent, it’s a great sign for us Rubio supporters. For any who want to know more about Marco Rubio, visit his site via the link below and search here for his RedState.com speech in Atlanta. It says all you need to know about Marco. Thanks Erick and redstate.com for keeping this race up on the front page. We need to take back the GOP now.
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AMEN to this statement Erick....
JadedByPolitics Sunday, October 18th at 1:28PM EDT (link)“Friends, this race must be a Hill to Die On for conservatives across the country. This race is not about Florida. This race is about the future of the nation and the direction of the Republican Party. ”
I truly believe that is the TRUTH! WE must give until it hurts and I know it hurts a lot of us but WE must make a statement to the GOP that they are going to be out of business and Conservatism will be running the new and improved GOP!
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Sitting Governor 44, Whatzizname 30 and closing
6eorge Jetson Sunday, October 18th at 2:03PM EDT (link)If Rubio can get close, watch out Bandwagon! He’s ahead of schedule!
Crist's adverts are all over down here.
Kenny Solomon Sunday, October 18th at 2:19PM EDT (link)Seems like every other break on Beck, Rush, Hannity, Levin and all the local/regional shows and news broadcasts, our ‘George Hamilton look-alike’ governor’s voice is heard approving the message.
Fairly certain there’s a version in “no-speakie-Eeenglitsch” as well.
Mr. Rubio already has my vote and I send donations as I can.
Of course you can have my guns……. Bullets first.
I didn’t say rounds, shells or magazines……
I said bullets first.
Couldn't have said it better myself....in fact I think I have said it...nt
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Marco Rubio is Winning Against Crist in a Subtle Surge
nelsa Sunday, October 18th at 2:29PM EDT (link)From a story I put together way back in July.(Looks like my instincts were right at the time:
“Marco Rubio is building a grassroots campaign for Conervatism and he is beginning to gain on Crist. The surge may be subtle but it’s steady and building. Republicans are starting to watch and listen and they don’t like what they are seeing and hearing from Crist.
Marco Rubio deserves to go to Washington as the next US Senator to represent Florida! ”
Full Story here:
http://voterubio2010.blogspot.com/2009/07/marco-rubio-is-winning-against-crist-in.html
I want to thank Erick and Restate for providing this important forum.
I met Marco
10ksnooker Sunday, October 18th at 2:43PM EDT (link)A short time ago … He is great. Deserves all the support you can give him. Had a very hot crowd supporting him at the event. Very smart guy, rock solid conservative.
He was the former speaker of the house in Florida before term limited out.
Crist is a Specter RINO clone who is now running ads in our area sounding like the most extreme conservative around. Bashing Obama after he hugged Obama, not in good form. Wonder why the switch for ‘tan in a bottle Crist’. One of his most famous things Crist did was endorse “one square of toilet paper” Sherill Crows global warming nonsense.
He did not cut taxes, he was forced to do it, because Florida’s Constitution requires it.
Help Marco out with this tough race.
End of my ad … LOL.
What's the total for voters who recognize both candidates?
scarlos Sunday, October 18th at 2:45PM EDT (link)As that is more important than the total ups and down right now.
If Rubio is beating Crist among voters that have heard of both, then Crist is in even more trouble than this poll shows, as it means his lead is comprised entirely from name recognition.
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Surge not so subtle...
rcov092 Sunday, October 18th at 2:59PM EDT (link)Rubio has slaughtered Crist in EVERY GOP straw poll (12) so far. Criost likes to point the polls with 60% favorables. That includes all the Obamatons that praise him on the basis of Obama’s endorsement of Crist as his “favorite Republican” Littel did Crist realize that that was the sound of a very log serated knife being inserted in his sternum by the WON.
Crist is toast with the Base and unfortunately f rhim, they are the ones that will be voting in the Primary here (yes John Cornyn, we the base here, refused your attempt to hi-jack our right to select our candidate).
Soon you will hear stories about Charlie thinking he needs to stay and “finish” the job he started. Problem is we do not want him as Governor either and the starw polls betweem Crist and McCollum will be the same.
Maybe he can convince the brain-dead sock puppet (LeMieux) to step down so he can appoint himself. That is the only way Crist will ever get to be “Senator from Florida”
Rubio got to this point with hard work driving to all the GOP meetings and letting them know he is a true conservative, not a John McCaim, Lindsey Grham type of “focus group” conservative. I will vote for Ruio for Senate and prya I have a chance to vote for him as President say in 2020.
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Marco Rubio Wins 12th Straw Poll in a Row
nelsa Sunday, October 18th at 3:08PM EDT (link)rcov02-I hate seem as though I am pumping my blog but I wrote about Rubios 12 wins as well. I include a total list of straw polls and how Rubio Destroyed Crist in each and every one:
http://voterubio2010.blogspot.com/2009/09/marco-rubio-wins-11th-straw-poll-in-row.html
“Last night Marco Rubio succeeded in winning his 11th straw poll in a row against Charlie Crist. Rubio has not lost a straw poll yet and has won all of them by impressive margins.
Some political aficionados are trying to downplay the significance of the Rubio wins but it is clear that there is an underlying current of true conservative enthusiasm within the conservative base.”
Crist IS “toast with the base” and he knows it….
nelsa: Great blog! Thanks for posting those straw poll numbers!
ColdWarrior Sunday, October 18th at 5:59PM EDT (link)Keep up the great work!
Thank you!
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P.S. I have a buddy in Volusia County who just became a precinct committeeman and he was at the GOP fundraiser last night that Marco Rubio spoke at — he was very impressed as he had not ever seen and heard Marco speak in person.
American first, conservative second and Republican precinct committeeman by necessity.
http://www.theprecinctproject.wordpress.com, so you can say, “I became a precinct committeeman before it was cool.”
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Polls?
erp Sunday, October 18th at 3:03PM EDT (link)Don’t trust ‘em.
I haven’t heard a single conservative or Republican here in the Sunshine State support Crist. We were against him from the beginning and he hasn’t done a thing to prove us wrong.
If Obama’s numbers keep tanking, the point may be moot anyway.
erp
Each conservative here has their own "hill to die on."
ColdWarrior Sunday, October 18th at 5:18PM EDT (link)I agree with Erick that the Rubio race is “a hill to die on” for conservative Republicans.
But guess what? Each one of you has an individual hill to die on.
You need to run, yourself, for precinct committeeman. To fill up the fifty per cent of the slots across the country that were VACANT in 2008. Every state has its own system, and in some states you’re appointed, in some you collect signatures and stand for election. In some states, like Illinios and Florida, Virginia and California, the deadlines are fast approaching. If you want to be in the real political party ball game in the 2010 election cycle, you need to get out of the bleachers and onto field NOW.
Those of you here who have already done so, please chime in and tell your story about how important this is.
Last night I spent about three hours searching the web for instructions and information for all fifty states about how to become a precinct committeeman. Some good news: seems to be a resurgence of interest in this in Illinois and Florida and a few other states. Several county GOP web sites in AZ, IL, FL and others have real good information about HOW to become a precinct committeeman and why it’s so vitally important. I added links to my little blog:
http://www.theprecinctproject.wordpress.com
Now get out there and become part of the conservative “coup” in the Republican Party. It will only happen if YOU do it. And, believe me, the moderates are trying to keep you out and outnumber you. And virtually none of the current crop of “conservatives” in Congress will say a word about this because even they FEAR new conservative blood coming into the ranks of the party — the ranks that elect the leadership, have a say in the drafting of the Party Platform and can vote to endorse candidates in the Republican Party. In other words, they FEAR a real, conservative “coup” in the voting ranks of the Party, where the real political power resides. And with HALF of the PC slots vacant in the 2008 election cycle, we COULD take over the Party if YOU get involved.
Thank you.
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http://www.theprecinctproject.wordpress.com, so you can say, “I became a precinct committeeman before it was cool.”
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I have talked my boss into looking into the committeman openings...
JadedByPolitics Sunday, October 18th at 5:52PM EDT (link)in the Mclean area which is the area he lives in which is also FFX county. He is the perfect person for this as he is a committed Republican business owner and he is disgusted with the GOP and their RINO ways. BTW have I said how FANTASTIC my boss is? …heh!
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Rubio is doing a great job
redloft Sunday, October 18th at 5:42PM EDT (link)Pegging himself as the ultimate conservative. Unfortunately, his record isn’t as strong as most on this site think. I won’t say that you all have been duped because he is a conservative, but I will say that Rubio is running much harder to the right than his record as House Speaker indicates .Just wait……
Well redloft is he to the right of Crist? because....
JadedByPolitics Sunday, October 18th at 5:55PM EDT (link)that dude is to the left of center so if Rubio is even a smidgen to the RIGHT of center he is the kind of Republican WE want!
OBTW when you post a slight against someone it is proper etiquette to post some links to back up your implied criticism.
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Critics say...
6eorge Jetson Sunday, October 18th at 7:33PM EDT (link)redloft still wets the bed at night.
Please study
SteveLA Sunday, October 18th at 6:12PM EDT (link)redloft
This educational video will be useful when arguing your point here on RS. Study it closely and use the lessons learned by watching and use wisely.
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Competency over ideological purity
Gotta Love Monty Python LOL
AceInTX Monday, October 19th at 9:49AM EDT (link)maybe you’re good for something after all Steve…LOL
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So redloft... I assume you've heard the old saw about
mbecker908 Sunday, October 18th at 6:43PM EDT (link)showing up at a gunfight with a knife.
You’re showing up at an artillery fight with a broken stick. I’d start the fun, but it’s been a long day and I’m tired.
It's not like
SteveLA Sunday, October 18th at 6:59PM EDT (link)mbecker…It’s not like he’s pulling at SWMNBN cape or something….you’d probably agree…:)
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Competency over ideological purity
No, but that's a very broad statement with exactly
mbecker908 Sunday, October 18th at 9:22PM EDT (link)NO context.
Rubio’s been in politics for quite a while and I have no doubt that he’s taken positions that wouldn’t go over well here, not to mention tons of stuff that can be cast out of character because somebody lifts a paragraph out of a 250 page bill.
The context is Crist v. Rubio and their fundamental philosophical differences. Nothing else.
And just to be clear, I agree with your basic point Steve. nt
mbecker908 Sunday, October 18th at 9:23PM EDT (link)Well said nt
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Oh come on mbecker you could at least throw out a half hearted jibe for our amuzement...LOL nt
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and I suppose you want to tell us the Crist is more conservative than Rubio?
AceInTX Monday, October 19th at 9:41AM EDT (link)Seriously…what’s your point here…that Rubio isn’t perfect so we shouldn’t support him over an Obama loving Crist?
give me a break!
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It will take strong conservatives to fight Obama's policies!
ufgator Sunday, October 18th at 8:00PM EDT (link)I am thankful that Marco Rubio is willing to stand up for Floridians by running against Charlie Crist who so well known and a fundraising machine. Rubio’s campaign is totally grassroots and he needs our help!
My comment about splitting the vote is about third parties.
archer52 Sunday, October 18th at 9:57PM EDT (link)I am very much aware about primaries. As I am aware of groups of voters not voting because “their guy” didn’t get the pick, which is my worry here.
As far as the Crist/Rubio election is concerned, this is your best bet for making the statement you wish to make. Rubio has one built in advantage over Crist here in Florida- the Hispanic vote. It is one block of voters both sides cater to, and Rubio would take a vast majority of it. Why the Republicans think Crist can “leftie” his way into segments of the young Hispanic voters in the general election is unknown to me. And the old voters will vote for Rubio not only because he is one of them, but because he speaks for them. Most older Hispanics are conservative because of their experiences with Cuba.
As far as New York, I can’t say. I leave that to someone who lives in that district. But experience has shown me the voters up there are left of center, sometimes far left of center. Can a conservative win there? Can he stand on a platform that says universal healthcare is a bad thing, Obama is dangerous, Democrats are being run by a far left wing which has plans to dismantle the country as we know it? He would be telling the truth, but would he win in THAT district!
This is my point. I don’t like and don’t support the Republican establishment supporting candidates that should be democrats. All I’m saying, and I stand by it, is that we must be cautious about the approach here. Much like Churchill allying with Stalin to defeat Hitler, sometimes if you want to win, you have to some do uncomfortable things.
Who is the bigger enemy and the one we have to defeat first? Who poses the greater threat to the fabric of our nation, Newt or Obama, Graham or Pelosi, McCain or Reid, Snowe or Frank? If you read my blog you’ll see I would like nothing more than to kick all of them out of the party, but I also realize, right now, I don’t have the horsepower to do it. It may take years to build from within, to seize control and turn the ship.
Why do I caution you in your desire to make a stand? Because I fear we are in the midst of a revolution. This isn’t a contest between the old center left Democratic party of our grandfather’s day and snobby blue blood country club Republicans. Neither were much of a threat to our individual way of life (with some exceptions like LBJ’s new deal). Both were staunch conservatives on national defense. Both were willing to stay together on certain issues like abortion, welfare and many domestic issues. When they fought it was over nuances, not totally different approaches to how this country needs to be run and who should run it. It took YEARS of continuous building from within for the liberal democrats to seize control of their party. They have done it. They dumbed down our citizens through poor education and we stood by and said “okay.” They changed our literal history, making our founding fathers more slave owners than visionaries, and we said “okay.” They managed to totally exclude our national identity from the workplace (flags on your locker, at your desk, on your car at work is now a bad thing.??) and we said “okay.” We allowed the liberals to seized control of our television stations and we said “okay.” We let them take our money and give it to those “more deserving” and we said “okay.” It goes on and on. We let them. We let them teach our kids, hold key positions in government. We, believing it can’t get that bad, let them have their heads and go whatever direction they wanted.
Now, much like the boiling frog, or the citizens of 1920’s Italy, we are in the proverbial sh** stew. Our response? To want to now fight amongst ourselves and say that is the battle, the way to win. To point fingers at each other. Well, we could at one time during the era of nuance, but I am convinced we are no longer in that era. I believe, and have said so many times on my website and here, that this is not an exercise in politics, this is an open revolution and we are dead smack in the middle of it.
I used to argue with my friends and family we were headed in a bad direction. Not a wrong direction, you can correct that easily, but a bad direction, in which things can get broken that can’t be fixed. But they wanted to say it can’t get that bad. Even I bought into a little, thinking just how bad could it get. Hoping for the best, I suppose. I was wrong. Even in my worst nightmares I never figured on having an entire political party being filled with people intent on destroying their own country. Who would think that was a good thing? Well, apparently people like Obama, Pelosi, Emanuel, Frank, and all of the others in the shadows.
Some of you know how I feel. You have visited my website and the website for my upcoming book. Do not confuse my attempt to find a way to win against the Democrats as a weakness for being moderate. I am hardly moderate. In fact, I make Sean Hannity, Rush, and some others look practically liberal in their positions. I’m just trying to be pragmatic. The revolution is occurring now, right in front of us. In six years we may not even recognize our nation, and certainly won’t be able to recognize what was once the American dream.
All I’m saying and all I going to say about it from now on is this- Pick your poison. Do what you believe you think is right. If burning down the Republican house works for you, then fine. If you wake up one day soon and your freedoms have been stripped by czars, regulations, restrictions, policies, and the new way of governing with “stakeholders” instead of citizens having the only voice in how to run the country, then just don’t complain.
On the other hand, if we can find a way to frighten the Republican establishment into believing their time is up if they don’t listen to us and gain ground that way, I’m in. I think Rubio is a good example. If he wins the primary, and he really should if he gathers the votes I think he will, then our voice will be heard. It will be the first shot across the bow and a warning to those like Newt and McCain that their days are numbered.
Thank YOU archer52
sharonmcp Monday, October 19th at 12:01AM EDT (link)You have said so eloquently what I have been telling people for months.
It literally puts a knot in my stomach when I hear Republicans talk about voting for a 3rd party ticket or not at all, just to get back at the GOP.
What they don’t seem to understand is that kind talk is “music to the ears” of the Democratic party, because divide and conquer is their game plan.
After almost 10 months of the current administration, the answer to your question, “Who poses the greater threat to the fabric of our nation”, should be vividly obvious to all those that cherish the freedoms our constitution provides. I fear the loss of those freedoms more every day and if I have to vote for a RINO, I’ll do it to rip the power of obstruction and destruction away from those who now hold it.
The greatest threat to the fabric of our nation - now sits in the oval office.
“Above all, we must realize that no arsenal, or no weapon in the arsenals of the world, is so formidable as the will and moral courage of free men and women.” ~ Ronald Reagan
First off Sharon...no one is trying to "get back at" anyone...
AceInTX Monday, October 19th at 11:01AM EDT (link)especially in this instance because we’re talking about a PRIMARY!
Primaries are THE time and place to fight this out…What we have going on now is a far left extremist party who is moving America toward a Marxist/Socialist system of government…who is supposedly being opposed by an establishment in the opposition party who is center left and are collaborating with the far left party by getting involved in local primaries forcing left of center nominee’s on the voters of that party in direct opposition to the more conservative/libertarian candidates who in this case has an equally good chance of winning in the General election…or in NY a better chance of winning than the leftist establishment candidate…
As for this bit of tripe…
please explain to me how you preserve those freedoms you fear losing by voting for a Republican who is helping Obama and the Dem take them away?
I’m serious…I really don’t get the logic here…can you explain it?
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Scope Monday, October 19th at 9:31AM EDT (link)Probably like yourself, I would guess the most of Redstaters reluctantly voted for McCain, as it didn’t take a brain surgeon to know just how bad an Obama presidency would be. McCain was the lesser of 2 evils (not saying any evil is good). That was not the first time conservatives were forced to choose between evils. You are correct that Progressives have been at their game for many many years. Do you not agree that they may not have been able to gain as much traction if some elitist Republicans did not decide to “go along to get along”? There are some Republicans that are as much to blame for the decline in our country as the Progressives.
Back in 64, from what I understand, Goldwater was seen as a radical conservative in trying to stop the march to Communism in the US, he believed in a strong national defense. He was not a supporter of entitlements. In fact he was probably as radical in his fight against Big Government and the spending associated with the welfare state. He was a strong fiscal and defense conservative. He made alot of noise though, with respect to his less than conservative beliefs regarding social issues such as Abortion and Gay Rights/Marriage. He made some very disparaging statements about the “radical religious right.” He blamed them for the fact that the Democrats had taken so much power/control in Washington. He lost in a landslide, not so much because the left painted him as a kook, but because he alienated a large voting block. Remember back in 64, the march to moral decay was just beginning to gain a foothold. Was he the father of the move to “reach across the isle”? I hear so many republicans today call themselves “Goldwater Republicans.”
When Reagan won election, after the tremendous disaster of Jimmy Peanut Carter, he didn’t abandon the Social Conservatives. He brought those that may not have had strong social issue convictions into the Republican party, by eloquently promising to reawaken the spirit of Americas strength and greatness. He didn’t reach across the aisle to pander to those that wanted/needed an excuse for their immoral/amoral, I don’t want to be controlled by my conscience crowd. In at least one speech, he said that there are those that will never see the light, so to speak, and you have to just let them go.
Fast forward to G. W. Bush, the compassionate conservative. We got No-Child Left Behind, which by most accounts has been an expensive disaster, and it won’t go away, it is being expanded. We got Medicare Part D, which has added tremendously to the national budget, even when the original Medicare costs were already breaking the bank. If W had his way (along with McCain and Kennedy) we would have made every illegal in this country legal, and they would have been entitled to all those entitlements. Bush signed into law, with a Republican majority in Congress, more spending than any Republican Congress in history, even if you take the war funding out. W, along with a known Democrat Paulsen, bought the shy-is-falling story about the economic collapse if the TARP funds were not approved. Didn’t most Republicans in Congress also buy into that sham? When Bush, and McCain squawked about the looming financial disaster that was about to unfold, with the sub-prime mortgage debacle, they must have whispered it into a few ears, and dishonestly did not take it to the citizens, who eventually would be paying the price for their possible complicity in the scheme. They should have shouted it from the roof tops before the disaster hit like a tsunami. Who were they protecting? Frank, Dodd and those that kept saying that there was nothing wrong.
I don’t think I have to say a word about McCain as the 2008 candidate except that IMHO he would have lost by a landslide, and Obama would have won by a landslide, had he not choosen a conservative, Palin, as his running mate. His campaign was in the deepest ditches before that announcement. Had he gotten to choose who he really wanted, someone like a Pawlenty, that landslide loss would be a reality. But hey, it was “his turn.”
You believe that the Republicans/Conservatives must continue on the same path as those roads taken that I mentioned above, if we are to gain any seats over the Democrats. That is a part of the “we must win at all costs” mantra, rather than we must search for, promote, fund, and work our butts off for the conservative candidates that will boldly, and loudly, take this country back to the greatness we once were. I am talking about the country, not New York or California. I get sick of hearing that we can’t run conservative candidates in Liberal areas, because they cannot win. Maybe I am naive, but, I believe more in the mantra that “if you lead, they will follow.” If they choose not to follow, then as Reagan even knew, you must cut them loose. What good does it do for the Republican party, or the country for that matter, to keep accepting people like Lindsay Graham, who recently publiclily stated that he is going to vote in favor of Cap and Trade? There is little doubt that McCain will follow suit, as he has always stated his support for the legislation. The only reason McCain may back off is that he is up for re-election, but, as arrogant as he is, he may believe he will be forgiven again, just as he was with his Amnesty bill, that had him carrying his own suitcases at the airport while he ran to catch a coach seat in the primaries. What good does it do for the Republicans to support/vote for Olympia Snowe, who voted to bring the Obamacare disaster out of committee, and, gave Obama cover to say the bill is bipartisan? The elite Republicans, and W, campaigned/fund raised for Specter, even when a good conservative candidate had a chance of winning in PA. Yesterday on Chris Wallace, Specter, was introduced as a Liberal Democrat. Not a Democrat, but, a Liberal Democrat. If I am not mistaken, there were 7 Republicans that voted for Cap and Trade in the House. What is it exactly that wayward republicans do to help the Republican party, brand, positions, policies, and principles?
Let me ask you again archer52, why is it that you believe that the Conservatives should just honor the Reagan 11th commandment, and vote for anything with an R after it’s name? I guess I must have missed your point.
just read the last paragraph...guess this wasn't meant as a reply to me..."Reply To This" would clear up the confusion.
AceInTX Monday, October 19th at 10:21AM EDT (link)I agree with pretty much everything else you write above. especially where it concerns Specter…I was singing the praises of a single payer public option…I was thinkoing to myself…he’s making a better case for the Marxists wet dream far better than any other far left Democrat I’ve heard….I guess he’s right where he’s always belonged and I think it’s a travesty that he was ever in the Republican Party, that the Republican Party ever supported him…or that he’s now running for Senate as a Democrat using funds given to him by Republicans and the NRSC…in fact…I’m outraged and I thing Toomey should be demanding he give back every penny to the NRSC that was given to him since the last election Specter ran in!
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I meant to say...I was amazed how specter was singing the praises of of a single payer system...
AceInTX Monday, October 19th at 10:23AM EDT (link)far better than any far left Marxist Democrat I had ever heard
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Ace- Toomey was addressing that issue
Scope Monday, October 19th at 11:27AM EDT (link)and looked into the legality of the donors demanding their donations back. I believe on the Club for Growth site he was advising those on how to go about asking for their money. I don’t know if the effort is still alive, I haven’t checked it lately.
I remember that...he should keep beating that drum loudly...
AceInTX Monday, October 19th at 1:01PM EDT (link)and he should be calling for the RNC and NRSC to ask for the funds back
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Ace- Toomey was addressing that issue
Scope Monday, October 19th at 11:27AM EDT (link)and looked into the legality of the donors demanding their donations back. I believe on the Club for Growth site he was advising those on how to go about asking for their money. I don’t know if the effort is still alive, I haven’t checked it lately.
I'm assuming that was a reply to me...there is a "Reply to this button at the bottom of each post...
AceInTX Monday, October 19th at 9:55AM EDT (link)it helps the discussion along if you use it.
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I'm answering you in chunks because you have a lot here...as to Goldwater vsv gay rights/abortion
AceInTX Monday, October 19th at 10:06AM EDT (link)I may be wrong…but I’m comfortable saying…without researching it…that abortion and Gay rights were issues in 1964 since Roe Vs Wade wasn’t decided until 8 years later….and gay rights never hit the radar screen let alone became a viable political issue till the late 1980s.
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I do agree with the general point you were making beyond the quibble though...
AceInTX Monday, October 19th at 10:10AM EDT (link)I think he did hurt himself with his anti Christian stridency…though I don’t know how much since back at that time the Democrat Party was the home of social conservatism much more so than the Republican Party.
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Ace- The social issues didn't have to be on the front burner in 64
Scope Monday, October 19th at 11:12AM EDT (link)for Goldwater to believe abortion and gay rights were acceptable. I consider his vehement position against the religious right, which did exist in 64, to be his way of saying that he supported the issues of abortion and gay rights. What else would he have been opposing those such as Falwell against? He was thought to have Libertarian type social beliefs. What are Libertarian social beliefs? A woman has a right to do what she will with her own body. If gays want to do whatever it is that they do, it’s OK because they are free to do so. I’m sure that the most of his public statements on those issues came in his later life, but, I don’t think that he just decided to switch his beliefs then. I still contend that he started the move away from conservative social issues, but, I do think he really believed what he preached, rather than the RINOS now who support those issues for votes. Here’s where I got my info-
http://usconservatives.about.com/od/thinkersanddoers/a/goldwater.htm
http://www.nationalreview.com/buckley/wfb200412101327.asp
http://www.washingtonpost.com/wp-srv/politics/daily/may98/goldremember.htm
http://www.conservapedia.com/barrygoldwater
I was a teenager in the Goldwater presidential run, I didn’t know what the word politics meant then. I can only go by what I read about that era. If I am wrong, please point me in the right direction.
In the 80’s Goldwater remarked to Bob Dole, “we are the Liberals of the Republican party.” We know how that worked out for Dole, also.
Interesting how the very same issues are what seem to be dividing the Republican party still today. Don’t these people ever get a clue?
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Achance Monday, October 19th at 11:59AM EDT (link)There is almost no mention of social issues in any that I found readily. There is considerable mention of civil rights and of the proper role of the federal government vs. state governments.
I was 15 in ‘64 and lived in rural Georgia. I and many of my peers were acutely attuned to National politics in those days since much of it was about us. I’m confident I heard more sermons that year on the evils of the ‘64 Civil Rights Bill than about anything remotely connected to what passed for Christianity in the Swainsboro Primitive Baptist Church.
Goldwater was a Western states’ rights, small government libertarian at a time when the Republican Party was still a firmly Northern party closely aligned with “Big Business.” In other words, the “Rockefeller Republicans” were led by a real guy who was named Rockefeller and the Republicans really were the statist party in those days. Until LBJ and the Great Society, the Democrats had to compromise on many issues with the conservative and populist South; the Republicans ignored The South. I knew a few Republicans and they were either the families of Yankee plant managers or Black.
There were two issues really in ‘64: the ‘64 Civil Rights Act, which Goldwater opposed on Constitutional grounds, and the escalation of the War in Vietnam. “The Solid South” cracked in ‘64 for one and only one reason; Goldwater’s vote against the ‘64 Civil Rights Bill. In the rest of the Country, escalation was more of an issue and the Country was opposed to it, though the presence in Vietnam had wide support at the time. The campaign produced what is perhaps the best and best known political TV ad of all time: the girl with the daisy. Afterward, it was said only half jokingly, “they told me if I voted for Goldwater, we’d get involved in a land war in Asia and they were right.” Goldwater’s campaign slogan was, “In your heart, you know he’s right,” to which the Ds retorted, “but in your guts you know he’s nuts.” Remember, this was only two years after the Cuban Missle Crisis during which we all stared at a nuclear missle target on us and we were still doing the get under the desk and kiss your butt goodbye drill at school. Goldwater’s anti-communist bellicosity scared Hell out of lots of people, most of whom fully expected to die in a thermonuclear exchange with the Soviet Union.
America in ‘64 was still the land of the Man in the Gray Flannel Suit. The pill was beginning to change sexual mores, but adolescent sex was still rare. Most of what many of you associate with the ’60s only happened in the last couple of years of the ’60s and on into the ’70s. There were Beatniks and some wierd poetry in the coffee shops in SF and NY but the vast majority of Americans still thought that “Puff the Magic Dragon” (1963) was a cute kids’ song about a boy and a dragon instead of being the first popular drug song. (Which its authors swore it wasn’t - yeah right.) As late as ‘66 “Ballad of the Green Berets” made Billboards #1 on all three lists. Abortion was only an issue at the edges in most places. Out of wedlock pregnance was still rare and dealt with by a vist to and aunt in Montana or grandma in Alabama with the baby given up for adoption or by the shotgun wedding. Only in the more avant garde places was abortion an issue, e.g., CA, which passed a legalization bill in ‘66. Frankly, it wasn’t even a subject for politie company in most of the Country and for most political figures would have been a state and local issue, if a political issue at all.
Perhaps the worst historiographical sin is presentism, looking at the past with the eyes of the present. It is hard to look at Goldwater, or even Reagan, with today’s eyes; the World they lived in doesn’t exist anymore.
In Vino Veritas
Amen, Art. Truer words were never spoken, sadly enough.
janis Monday, October 19th at 12:19PM EDT (link)“…the World they lived in doesn’t exist anymore.” For all its faults, it was a more civilized era to grow up in than any since.
And please check your email. I’ve finished the first 50 pages.
You've highlighted again the importance of knowing history
civil_truth Monday, October 19th at 12:34PM EDT (link)..including remembering as best we can for the benefit of those who come later.
You were more coherent than me, Art, but I agree we’re making the same basic case - and pushing back revisionist propaganda that calls black, white and vice versa. Your last paragraph should be framed.
And Orwell in 1984 spoke about presentism too as a tool of totalitarian control.
My earliest memory of a Presidential race goes back to 1960 when my parents took my sister and me to see Kennedy speak - probably the only time I’ve actually seen in person a President speak live.
And Rightly So!
I don't recall social issues being prominent in the '64 run
civil_truth Monday, October 19th at 12:05PM EDT (link)I was fairly young, but I issues I recall were stopping Communism inside the government (None Dare Call it Treason and scaring people that Goldwater was a war-monger (Daisy commercial).
I also recall this being a battle between the old-guard “Rockerfeller Republicans” country-club (East-Coast, WASP, big business) who were accomodators to the post WWII Roosevelt welfare state versus the upstart free-market. non-East coast, salt of the earth, declassé conservatives who wanted to upset the apple cart.
I don’t recall the “social conservatives” being a distinctive or recognizable element - we really hadn’t started the culture wars and there was a general societal consensus about public standards of morality (personal morality, of course, was another story).
Rather we had a political class battle; the upstarts lost, but started an intellectual movement that eventually won over enough people that Reagan was able do the first significant blood-letting of the welfare state - after Johnson with his majority moved the country significantly to the left with his the “Great Society”.
The lesson today is that we still have the big business-big government axis of power and mutual backscratching - except that the government has fallen into the hands of the Marxists and the big business think they can still do “business as usual” not realizing they’re “selling the rope to hang themselves” (or hoping that they’ll escape the noose - or perhaps will be the executioners themselves).
And Rightly So!
Great minds, C_T, see above. nt
Achance Monday, October 19th at 12:10PM EDT (link)In Vino Veritas
I was born in 1963...and have to admit overall ignorance on this...I'm only giving my understanding of the history...nt
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Scope Monday, October 19th at 10:18AM EDT (link)and began my post using his name. I did hit the reply button, and my post nested below his comment.
I see that now...sorry Scope nt
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I see what I did now...I started out replying to him as well...and didn't scroll back up far enough after my initial response...
AceInTX Monday, October 19th at 10:27AM EDT (link)and picked up replying to your post….my post subsequent ones were meant for him as well…
Now that I’m totally confused…I’ll go back to work on his post and confuse myself even more…LOL
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The enemy inside the keep is the bigger threat if you ask me....because he can help the enemy without to breach the walls!
AceInTX Monday, October 19th at 10:33AM EDT (link)and again…we’re talking about the Primary in both of these races…if we can’t fight the RINOs in the primaries where and when do we fight them?
BTW…you should educate yourself about the NY-23 race since the candidate there is a far left, Acorn and SEIU backed, KOSite who has no business being in the party let alone being it’s standard bearer!
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I can see the heart felt nature of what you are saying about how we let Marxists take over the Democrat Party...change our history...and all the rest...
AceInTX Monday, October 19th at 10:48AM EDT (link)and agree…what’s at issue now is where do we draw the line…when the Party that is supposed to be there to stop the far left Marxist party has become an enabler and a collaborator with those far left Markists…
I agree the far left has taken over the Democrat Party Lock, Stock, and Barrel. What I’m seeing now that they have made the Democrat Party the wholly owned subsidiary of the Marxist Socialist movements in America…is the Marxist/Socialist engagement as they move into the Republican Party to cease control of it as well! I keep pointing to my recent discovery of a $50,000 contribution to the Republican Main Street Partnership from SEIU as an example of the duplicity and clandestine operations of the Marxsist/Socialists amongst us.
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I don't see fighting Crist in favor of Rubio as burning down the Republican House...
AceInTX Monday, October 19th at 10:51AM EDT (link)That’s what I object to…this is a primary…and we have to be willing to go to the mat and let the establishment collaborators that we won’t be blindly led into the abyss
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"if we can find a way to frighten the Republican establishment into believing their time is up if they don’t listen to us and gain ground that way, I’m in"
ColdWarrior Sunday, October 18th at 10:29PM EDT (link)We don’t have to fight amongst “ourselves.” (I’m putting that in quotes because I’m including conservative and moderate Republicans in that category.)
Right now, with about a 50-50 split in the Republican precinct committeeman ranks, conservatives and moderates are fighting each other for the direction and control of the Party. The moderates push the “we have to be more like the Dems and ‘rebrand’ ourselves” mantra. We conservatives know that we need to run on conservative, common sense values and principles. As Reagan did. (It’s always weird when I speak to younger people who say stuff like, “I was born after Reagan left office,” but I digress.)
With HALF the Republican precinct committeeman slots nationwide empty in the 2008 election cycle, we conservatives COULD remake the Party into a conservative, full-strength powerhouse with a 75-25 majority of conservatives over moderates. We COULD remake the party and no longer have to “fight among ourselves” if conservatives would just get off their fannies and become precinct committeemen, filling up all those vacancies. We wouldn’t be fighting anymore because we conservatives would have a solid conservative majority in the voting ranks of the Party. (Just to make the point, you do know, don’t you, that if you were not a precinct committeeman in the 2008 election cycle you had absolutely no vote in who became your Republican Party legislative district officers, your county officers, your state officers and the RNC Chairman?)
IF conservatives flocked into the Republican Party in droves to become precinct committeemen, THAT would get the attention of the incumbents. IF WE DID IT NOW! But, that would mean actually leaving one’s comfort zone and actually going to Republican Party meetings, maybe getting some signatures on a nomination form (which one has to do in some states — every state has different rules), etc. You know, all that icky stuff that the “little people” do.
Well, it’s the “little people” who happen to be precinct committeemen who:
determine who the Party leaders are
determine who writes the Party Platforms
determine which candidates get endorsed in the primary contests
may get to choose interim replacements for state offices when a current holder dies or resigns
influence the voters in their respective precincts.
Want a conservative revolution in the Party? I do. That’s why I became a precinct committeeman. I hope all of you will be, too.
Thank you.
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http://www.theprecinctproject.wordpress.com, so you can say, “I became a precinct committeeman before it was cool.”
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you convinced me...
skully Monday, October 19th at 12:49PM EDT (link)…to get off my duff and be a PC. Wheels are in motion and I’ll be at the next local Repub committee meeting.
Even so, I have to face facts here in WNY - Republicans can’t possibly pull off a win in certain districts. So, if I can’t beat them (Dems), maybe I could be more effective if I join them.
Any insight into the inner-workings of the Dem structure?
Can we become PC (or equivalent) for Dems, and have influence there?
I hold my nose each November and vote for the less-liberal candidate locally, state-wide and nationally. I suppose I can hold it more often if the ends justify the means.
If I were a Senior...
harlan Sunday, October 18th at 11:47PM EDT (link)…and or a Jew living in Florida, I would definitely vote for Charlie Crist.
a. He’s a true supporter of obama who plans to cut 500 BILLION from Medicare and institute bureaucratic death panels. (Does that include the 100 BILLION cut from Medicare Advantage? I fergit.)
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b. He’s a true supporter of obama who is doing his utmost to undermine Israel and strengthen the islamist horde…(his homies?).
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And to all the Hondurans in Florida, I’d like to encourage you all to vote for Crist as well, because…
c. He’s a true supporter of obama who is doing his level best to deliver Honduras to hugo chavez on a platter.
I think that these positions are all NO BRAINERS.
So, all ya’ll out there…seniors, Jews and Hondurans alike with no brains, definitely vote for Crist. After all, his name sort of looks like “Christ”, and I think I read in Newsweek that if Jesus were here, HE would have supported obama, and therefore Crist by association.
Bad form...You could make the point that Crist is anti Isreal better than this in speaking for/to the Jews...but bringing Christ into this makes this post BAD and offensive the me as a Christian...and I'm sure to Jews. nt
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Fighting among ourselves....
momofthecastle Monday, October 19th at 8:10AM EDT (link)will do no good.
We have a fellow here in our (Florida) County. He is a Republican committeeman when he can be. When it comes time for an election, he steps down, because he cannot in good conscience sign an agreement to support whatever candidate the party ticket puts up (like Crist or Martinez). I admire his thinking.
We all need to understand that they way to change is from the inside out. Committeeman/woman is the way to start, I think. Thank you for reminding me. Eventually, the conservatives will be in the majority of the party and will decide on policy and candidates. A leader “like Ronald Reagan” is not what we need. Mr. Reagan came in on the tails of conservatives who worked for 16 years.
We have had conservatives who have been in the background, alone on the battlefield. It’s time for more of us to sign on. Do what you can. Teach a book study, go hear candidates, take your friends, make your talking points respectfully.
It is not a matter of fighting the Republican Party to “take it back.” It is about getting into the fight, period. We cannot just sit around and talk about what is wrong. We must get our hands dirty, work with people we don’t like sometimes, and against them at times, and most of all, dedicate ourselves to the small government idea of our Founder’s, prayerfully understanding and concentrating against the temptations of power that happen when we are in the driver’s seat (gov’t spending increased 500% during Pres. Bush’s administration).
Thank you for this sight.
momofthecastle- Who exactly were the "conservatives" that were in existence for 16 years before Reagan?
Scope Monday, October 19th at 11:41AM EDT (link)and, who are the conservatives that have been in the background, and alone on the battlefield? Oh, for sure, government spending increased during Bush’s years, but, can you site where you are getting your “by 500% ” number?
momofthecastle- Who exactly were the "conservatives" that were in existence for 16 years before Reagan?
Scope Monday, October 19th at 11:41AM EDT (link)and, who are the conservatives that have been in the background, and alone on the battlefield? Oh, for sure, government spending increased during Bush’s years, but, can you site where you are getting your “by 500% ” number?
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blessed Monday, October 19th at 8:44AM EDT (link)We have to face reality we have been part of the problem with not in our state unless it is going to hurt you well it’s going to hurt but once the pain is over we can start fresh and do it right this time.I’m definetly not for Crist haven’t been for a long time not because of what I’ve heard but because I lstened to him watched what he was doing during the campaign for president and he was praising Obama and thinking what are you doing then I said to myself he is up to something and sure enough it came to light the Senate seat.So I let him know in an e-mail you won’t see it because we have been saying all along if you go against the people and help this administration further hurt our country to benefit you then WHEN YOUR UP YOUR OUT. But we still have to stay alert do our homework check their voting records we just can’t listen to their speeches because all politicians will say anything and everyhing to get your vote as we have found out the hard way.I personally don’t want to hear talking points over and over again that is when I tune out.If they can just stand there and talk from the heart and no written speeches and no teleprompters people are more likely to listen even if it doesn’t come out perfect we aren’t stupid so don’t treat us that way.And we know no one is perfect and talking down to us will not help either.So stay true to yourself and if you really believe what you saying to us it will flow naturally.
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Why is this so difficult?
RedBeard Monday, October 19th at 10:05AM EDT (link)All the talk of the danger of intra-party warfare is a bit hysterical. It’s a primary, nothing different than thousands and thousands of primaries before it, none of which caused the earth to stop rotating on its axis.
1. Go all out in support of Rubio, Send him money. Talk him up to everyone you know.
2. Point out the stark and substantial differences in policy between Rubio and Crist, Doing this does not require publicly making Crist into a monster or splitting the party.
3. If Rubio loses the primary, swallow hard and support Crist as the lesser of evils.
Standard-bearer for grouchy curmudgeonry since, oh, 1975 or so.
We don't have to make Crist a monster...he's done <b>THAT</b> on his own nt
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RedBeard Monday, October 19th at 11:42AM EDT (link)Crist is a pretty ugly political animal.
But my point is that we should limit our PUBLIC condemnations to rational comparisons on the issues, rather than “tearing him a new one” as we might privately want to do. If [heaven forbid] we are stuck with Crist after the primaries, we don’t want him so bloodied that he would lose to a far, far worse Democrat.
Practical politics. Impure? Distasteful? Yes. But we are dealing with the real world elections and consequences of same, not tossing out bits of philosophy at the Algonquin Round Table.
Bite bullet, etc.
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I see your reasoning...but am luke warm on it's practicality
AceInTX Monday, October 19th at 11:59AM EDT (link)a line has to be drawn somewhere….or the establishment will continue to be bad actors in this…if Crist wins it will be because of the NRSCs interference…I can see the problem giving them a bloody nose in the general would cause…and I’m luke warm on that arguement as well…thank goodness I don’t vote in FL and won’t be faced with theat decision in the end is all I can say because I can’t say what I’d do if faced with the choice of voting for Crist…or staying home.
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Conservatives staying home helped give us Obama (nt)
RedBeard Monday, October 19th at 1:42PM EDT (link)Standard-bearer for grouchy curmudgeonry since, oh, 1975 or so.
Conservatives "staying home." Amen.
ColdWarrior Monday, October 19th at 2:20PM EDT (link)“We the people” are in this mess because “we the conservative people” haven’t been engaged in Party politics.
Most of what is written here at Redstate and across the blogosphere makes not one bit of difference to who wins and loses at the ballot box. What goes on here is not “party politics.” It’s mostly preaching to the choir. Whoop dee do.
What REALLY matters is active participation in party politics. Making sure the BEST conservatives win the primary elections. Making sure the Party has leadership that respects and supports the Constitution and the Party Platform.
Why hasn’t that been happening? Because, for example, in the 2008 election cycle we had a Party at HALF STRENGTH with a mushy-moderate message. Why? Because HALF the precinct committeeman slots in the Republican Party were VACANT in the 2008 election cycle. And, the Party was split nationwide in the PC ranks about 50-50 between conservatives and moderates. Look at our “leadership.” Look at our Party “spokesmen.” They are a reflection of the mushyness of our Party — an ideologically split and weak Party.
Conservative? Want to strengthen the Party and wrest control of it from the moderates? Then, create a conservative working majority in it. By joining it at the grass roots level as a precinct committeeman. So we conservatives can vote in better leadership at the legislative district, county, state and national levels. So we conservatives can vote to endorse conservative candidates in the primary elections. Party-endorsed candidates usually win the primaries. Those of you here who are precinct committeemen understand what I’m saying. Those of you who don’t — please, please get into the real ball game of politics and become a voting member of the Party. Every state has different rules. Get in contact with your local GOP and tell them you want to become a precinct committeeman.
Oh, and by the way, even most “conservative” officeholders don’t want you in the Party. They like the status quo. It means reelection. Even the “conservatives” FEAR an influx of new conservatives into the Party. Because they might get challenged by a REAL conservative. Think of it. The voters get to choose between two candidates in the primary. One is an incumbent who voted for earmarks and had earmarks of his own and voted for all sorts of unconstitutional legislation for years and years while he was “going along to get along.” His adversary is a brand new guy or gal who pledges to never compromise their principles, to take their oath of office seriously and to never vote for an earmark or ever request one. In the present political climate, who’s going to win?
THAT’S THE SCENARIO that TERRIFIES the incumbents and why you NEVER HEAR any of our so-called conservatives imploring the unwashed masses, the mere registered Republicans, to come into the Party and become a voting member of it as a precinct committeeman. Because even the conservatives FEAR a backlash against THEM — and that will more likely happen if conservatives flock into the Party and help the conservative primary challengers. And help get out the vote. And help turn the anti-incumbent sentiment of the Tea Partiers into a real political power punch in the Republican primaries.
Ask yourself: When was the last time you heard an incumbent Republican Party conservative tell you the Party has 50 per cent of its PC slots vacant and then implore you to become a PC? If it’s happened, I’d like to hear about it. A few good conservative state legislators here in AZ are saying it, but I know of no others.
If we conservatives would fill up the vacant PC slots, we’d have a very strong working majority in the Party. The Party is there for the TAKING. Think the moderates don’t know this? Guess again. The moderates ae trying to take over the Party in this way, too. Unless we stop them. Will we? Will YOU?
Thank you.
ColdWarrior
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http://www.theprecinctproject.wordpress.com, so you can say, “I became a precinct committeeman before it was cool.”
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As I say...I understajnd the argument...but I'm lukewarm towards the tactic...
AceInTX Monday, October 19th at 6:35PM EDT (link)at some point there has to be a line in the stand…is Crist that line? I don’t know and thank goodness I don’t have to make that choice…On Scazzofava that’s another question…I can say without equivocation that she is a bridge too far.
I’d also like to turn your argument on it’s ear…instead of “staying home” causing the election of Obama why isn’t the argument “forcing a completely offensive candidate to the base” gave us Obama?
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Scope Monday, October 19th at 2:52PM EDT (link)without ripping someone you know would not be any better than a Democrat, on the issues. Playing nice is McCainism, which that didn’t work out well did it? I don’t believe that many posts here on Redstate have been about Crist the person, but, rather on just how bad his record has been in supporting republican issues. Any Republican that goes out and publically supports the marxist policies of the Obama Administration, and also has plans to run for any office as a Republican, deserves to lose for that reason alone. The fact that the Republicans have been so quiet in the past, and din’t speak out, is why we have some very undesirable creatures in the House and Senate right now. Without the people here at Redstate, and on many other sites, supporting a terrific, but previously little known candidate, has gained Rubio much needed traction. We are doing the work that the Republican committees and PACS should be doing, however, they keep pushing the worst candidates down our throats. As Ace said, I don’t have to worry about voting for Crist if he wins the nomination. I also would find myself between a rock and a hard place, and don’t know if I could pull that lever for him either. If I thought we had a tremendous chance of electing enough other better Republicans for the Senate in other races, I would seriously consider voting for the down ticket races, and letting the Crist slot empty. We’ll see where we are in 2010. Maybe Crist will get out before then.
I can't equate playing nice with John McCain
RedBeard Monday, October 19th at 4:00PM EDT (link)First of all, ask Sarah Palin about his “nice” playing.
McCain wasn’t playing nice; he was playing at pandering, in hopes that the lefties would love him. Silly idea from a confused man, as the results showed.
Ripping Crist in the vicious sense isn’t necessary; his record speaks to his insufficiencies. And given the mood of the voters, it might be counter-productive slinging a lot of mud in the primary season. Criticizing Crist on the issues is entirely fair game, and his feet should be held to the fire on his agenda.
I don’t fear a straight-up comparison between the two men on the issues; Rubio wins that exercise walking away.
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Rubio WILL NOT Lose!
morstar150 Monday, October 19th at 11:39AM EDT (link)This Senate race is over a year away. Rubio has been making up ground under over-whelming odds. I know how campaigns work. This one is going badly for the Governor.
Another discussion has been filtering through the comments that I would like to discuss is the concept of “taking back” the Party.
I speak from a perspective of one who follows Party Politics in Palm Beach County, yeah, the county that elected George W. Bush. I am proud to say that I voted for him then and not so proud to say that I voted for him in 2004. By 2008 I was sick of that shift. McCain did not get my vote. As Archer52 put it, McCain would have lost by a landslide had it not been for conservative Sarah Palin.
Currently, there is a groundswell of energy and enthusiasm for our basic political values. People are struggling to make ends meet. The economy since Bush/Paulsen has gotten much worse. Unemployment has risen to nearly 10% and youth unemployment is at or above 25%. Those jobs that American won’t do don’t exist.
The blue blood country club party doesn’t exist anymore either. There are members of the Republican Party that are successful but as Republicans we salute their spirit instead of stealing their wallets. There is a great change happening in our Party and it begins with YOU! Get involved take control of YOUR PARTY. We are not the tea party, although most of us have been their at the protests and town hall meetings.
If you are a tea party member, keep fighting, but come indoors. Come into to the one party that stands for freedom. I am not asking you to forgive the mistakes of the recent past, I am asking you to correct those mistakes. Become a committee person in the Republican Party. Work inside the house. We need home improvment not demolition. Leave the destruction to the Democrats.
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Stand up!
ufgator Monday, October 19th at 3:31PM EDT (link)If we don’t FIGHT BACK and stand up for true conservatives, like Marco Rubio, the country our children inherit will be radically changed. AS A PARENT, I do not accept that possibility. Even if you do not live in Florida, you can helpt turn things around in 2010. Charlie Christ publically endorsed Barack Obama’s stimulus package, cap and trade, and appointed a liberal democrat to the Florida Supreme Court. Please HELP STOP another RINO from being sent to Washington by donating to Marco Rubio’s campaign! Thank you.