Surveillance Nation


Alexander Deane has the top story at Human Events.

I’ve written previously on HUMAN EVENTS about the state of Big Brother Britain, and things are only getting worse.

News broke this week that the police have a series of databases recording the personal details of thousands of people who attend protests or rallies, which are searchable by a number of officers and come complete with color photographs assembled and printed onto “spotter cards” which are then distributed to enable agencies to monitor attendees at events.  Cost of this part of the surveillance state alone?  Over nine million pounds.

Moreover, we have the most CCTV of any country, we have the world’s biggest DNA database, and we have a “Regulation of Investigatory Powers” Act which empowers councils to carry out covert surveillance of people — legislation which was introduced to be used sparingly in serious cases such as organized crime and terrorism and is instead now regularly used for investigating noise pollution, school catchment areas, fly-tipping (i.e. dropping garbage), dog fouling. Certainly, these things ought ideally to be policed, but do we need to empower hundreds of agencies with secret powers to do so?  To give you a sense of the scale of this surveillance, consider over 500,000 such covert investigations took place last year alone.

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Trash Spies !

Bobcat51 Wednesday, October 28th at 10:32AM EDT (link)

I have buddy in southern England who recently informed me that they have a micro chip in their Trash cans. The UK is just Orwellian and Obama wants to mold us into a facsimile ,Wake up America

http://www.stripes.com/article.asp?section=104&article=40653

 

Democrats are green with envy.

johnt Wednesday, October 28th at 11:17AM EDT (link)

Axelrod and Emanuel can’t wait to get to The O and tell him what and how to think about this.
They can always wish and hope.

“a man’s admiration for absolute government is proportinate to the contempt he feels for those around him”. Tocqueville

 

The Patriot Act

Scope Wednesday, October 28th at 11:22AM EDT (link)

Shortly after the 9/11 attacks, when Bush and a Republican congress passed the Patriot Act, many believed that it was necessary to be able to act against the possiblity of another terriorist attack. That was not an American manufactured crisis, unless you contemplate Clinton’s non-action, in the face of telegraphed messages against the US from Bin Laden. I believed at the time that it was necessary, in order to keep us Americans safe. I was one who believed that it didn’t matter to me if my phone lines were tapped, as I had nothing to hide, I am not a terriorist, and I don’t know any terriorists, I don’t think. Probably one of the only things where I think highly of Bush is the fact that he kept us safe for the rest of his time in office.

Now, in hindsight, I believe that the Patriot Act served it’s purpose, and it is long past time to get rid of it. During the Bush years, the Leftists barraged Bush with every invective in their arsenal against what they said was an infringement on our privacy rights, an attack on us a freedom loving Americans and they claimed he was using the Act to spy on all of us US citizens. This isn’t the only Bush legislation passed, that opened the door for Obama and his thugs to barge through, and, actually widen the doorway. Now, I believe the language of the legislation has been expanded to include spying on your neighbors if they say anything bad against the Obamites, please post your info on their website with names, and email addresses, before the site was forced down. They have expanded the policy to include spying on those hateful groups like the Tea Partiers, and all those far right wing extremists, who want to overthrow the government. Trying to get information according to the Freedom of Information Act is getting more and more difficult, to the point of releasing only what this administration wants you to know. I suspect that alot of illegal spying, information collecting and tracking is being done that would incite even a fruit fly.

When you pass legislation, even with good intentions, it always has a way of backfiring, because powers not delinated in a loosly worded or vaguely worded bill, will always be expanded to what the current administartion wants it to mean. With an administration, that is bent on socializing the country or worse, who have no time or care for laws or the Constitution, this bill has actually become a weapon against the citizens it was undertaken to protect.

The same can be said about the Bush passed TARP legislation.

The problem with the leftists is that they are Hypocritical

Richard Mullins Wednesday, October 28th at 11:41AM EDT (link)

when they attacked the Patriot Act at first, but knew that later that they were going to be in power and that they could change it for there tasks. It’s the same for lots of good things that were done, aside from TARP that had so much BS in the air that it clouded the judgment. It’s never who is office when it passed, it’s who comes later.

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Agreed- the Patriot Act is dangerous

reason60 Wednesday, October 28th at 12:09PM EDT (link)

because it gives the government power to do things under the ruse of “antit-terror” that in other circumstances we would find an affront to liberty.
For instance, under the Act, the government can search your email, your house, and your bank records without your knowledge, only telling you weeks later.
I wrote a diary entry on this very topic- an excerpt:

In September, Wired magazine documented this collaboration between hotels and the FBI to turn over guest information.
http://www.wired.com/threatlevel/2009/09/fbi-nsac/

In the NY Times Review of books, James Bamford discusses this facility being built by the NSA in Utah which is to be used to vacuum up massive amounts of receipts, emails, phone records and the like.
http://www.nybooks.com/articles/23231

Renewal of the Patriot Act allows for the government to access phone records to record meta-data such as phone numbers called and received; what is not clear is how much information it stores regarding email and text messages sent or received. Just today, Wired documented again that the telephone companies are openly acting in close collaboration with the FBI to monitor and record phone traffic.

There is a reasonable balance of power, between wanting to government to have enough power to catch criminals, while not infringing on liberty.
I think the wisest thing the Founding Fathers did was demand that “due process” be performed- that is, a warrant from a third neutral party like a court- be in oversight of the government.

Unless you want to just have faith in Obama to do the right thing.

Power can never, ever, ever be unaccountable

tankertodd Wednesday, October 28th at 1:19PM EDT (link)

In the British example I linked to below, the woman who was spied on to investigate whether she lied on a school enrollment form didn’t seem to know where she could turn for due process. That’s table stakes for any curtailment of liberty.

It doesn’t mean that PATRIOT Act is shelved - protecting my life is just as important a civil liberty as a private phone call. But I want those listening to my calls to my buddy in Pakistan fully accountable to someone if they listen to my call without just cause. They can listen first in case of an urgent situation that can’t wait for a warrant, but if they exercise negligence then their posteriors need to be nailed to the wall.

The United States has the most open intelligence services in the world, to a fault. People forget about that. I don’t think there’s a current problem at all, but I like the idea of constant vigilance and the absolute need for accountability. Because power corrupts sooner or later.

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you are incorrect

kyle8 Wednesday, October 28th at 6:14PM EDT (link)

the Patriot act does not allow surveillance without a court order except at government facilities. Nor does it have any provision for citizens spying on each other. The main thing it does is allow intelligence and law enforcement groups to network with each other.

Our government could not legally do the kind of things that the government in Britain is doing now.

“Nothing works like freedom, Nothing succeeds like liberty”
Kyle

 
 

You're Free!!!

yabadabadoing Wednesday, October 28th at 11:24AM EDT (link)

As long as you agree with everything we say and do. If you don’t, we will be monitoring you and your friends and by the way, we know your secrets and we can release them to the public any time we want.

You will comply, one way or another.

 

Founding Fathers were right then and now

maddog Wednesday, October 28th at 11:30AM EDT (link)

I can only imagine what they’de say about this and The One.

 

depends on which ones

Streiff Wednesday, October 28th at 11:40AM EDT (link)

you are talking about

“A man does what he can and endures what he must.”

 

People cannot manage their own powerlust

E Pluribus Unum Wednesday, October 28th at 12:02PM EDT (link)

Russell Kirk recognized this, as did the Founding Fathers.

It is absolutely necessary that we have people in positions of authority. It equally necessary that there be checks, limits and accountability in place to prevent those people from succombing to their own natural propensities.

The British government is long, far gone. We’re not far behind them if we don’t stop Obama and the Democrats from fulfilling their fantasies.

Carthago delenda est

 

Another example, and don't drag the PATRIOT Act into this

tankertodd Wednesday, October 28th at 1:13PM EDT (link)

I’m not a PATRIOT Act scholar but 1) none of those provisions has had an inkling of negative impact on my life; 2) the PATRIOT Act and the UK’s Big Brother project are two different animals; 3) the PATRIOT Act seemed very reasonable to me and has plenty of oversight.

In the UK, it’s gone insanely out of hand. Read this story and be amazed. This makes a much more powerful argument than the “what-if” carping of the anti-PATRIOT Act folks. “Well maybe this could happen.” How about, “hey, look at what’s happened in the UK - what does it mean for us?”

The idea of using surveillance laws to investigate school eligibility is just insane. Crazy. These powers must contain accountability and proportionality before being granted by the people to their government.

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I think I've already stated the Hypocrisy of the left

Richard Mullins Wednesday, October 28th at 1:18PM EDT (link)

as to the Patriot act. They support these actions from Britain and want us to do the same. It really nothing more than politics as usual.

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