It has been 24 Hours and Pete Sessions Still Remains Chairman of the NRCC


It has been 24 hours since Dede Scozzafava dropped out of NY-23 and neither Pete Session nor any of his loyal lieutenants have lost their jobs or quit to save face.

Until that happens, there will be no real sign that they get it. Without heads rolling we cannot roll on to victory.

Sadly, it is that simple.

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Not NRCC fault

mndasher Sunday, November 1st at 12:24PM EST (link)

I don’t think the RNC / NRCC did anything wrong. The problem originated with NY23 Republicans. Once a candidate is endorsed by local organizing committee the RNC / NRCC had no choice be to support that candidate.

How would it work if the RNC endorsed and nominated a Presidential candidate, and then decided to support the Libertarian candidate?

You just got back from a long vacation overseas, right?

NightTwister Sunday, November 1st at 1:12PM EST (link)

There’s been enough written about this race to know that the NRCC was involved in the selection of Scozzafava from the beginning. Unless you’ve been gone or not paying attention, you’d know that. Or perhaps you just prefer Republican candidates like her.

No they weren't

redtillimdead Sunday, November 1st at 3:16PM EST (link)

I will still say, they should have supported Hoffman. But they had nothing to do with her selection. Privately, the NRCC was pushing for the NY party to pick a self-funder. Matt Doheny was the name. He RAISED $300,000 before being selected, and donated another $500,000 of his own money to the race. The NRCC pushed for him because he could fund his own campaign and they did not have to spend as much of their own money

Nancy Pelosi can kiss my asstroturf.

Keep telling yourself that.

NightTwister Sunday, November 1st at 4:17PM EST (link)

Because having to own up to the fact that the NRCC actually did have a hand in Dede’s selection would pretty much invalidate every argument you’ve made about this race. I really don’t expect you to actually admit the NRCC really screwed up here and in effect spend $900,000 in support of the democrat candidate (being as Dede now is officially supporting Owens). Those with the Red Until Dead will go down with the ship.

 
 
 

They don't get it...

writeblock Sunday, November 1st at 1:15PM EST (link)

It’s clear they’re out of touch. They say and do things no self-respecting conservative would say or do. How can they then purport to be experts on Republican politics, this being the case? If they can’t gauge the mood of their constituents–and don’t share their beliefs–what are they there for?

If they are in positions of power because they rightly or wrongly believe that a moderate approach wins elections, then they are more stupid than is tolerable for leadership. If they lead because they are themselves moderates, then they are out of sync with the majority and need to step down.

If they won’t–then we need to demand it and make it happen by open opposition and forcing the issue. I would include Newt in this, his sudden conversion experience notwithstanding. These people need to retire pronto. They are hurting the party and losing elections. We can’t take back the country, till we take back the GOP.

 

Sure they did.

skey Sunday, November 1st at 1:17PM EST (link)

They had a number of decisions they could have made in the race. They could have decided not to expend their scarce resources to help elect the most liberal person running in that district. Or once the decision to expend resources had been made they could have, from the beginning, focused only on those very, very few areas where Scozzafava was to the right of Owens, promoting the Republican brand, and ignored Hoffman entirely. They chose not to do that.

Sure, they switched to just attacking the Democrat eventually, but that was late in the game, after they figured out that Scozzafava was toast. But it would have been better for them to stay out altogether.

One thing will be interesting, though - I suspect that after this election there’s going to be a targeted campaign for the area Tea Partiers to take over precinct chairs and such, to ensure that this doesn’t happen again. The local RINO establishment I will probably be very uncomfortable.

 

I call Bull Crap...The NRCC was involved in her selection...

AceInTX Sunday, November 1st at 11:56PM EST (link)

I can’t find it and need help…but Sessions did a piece explaining how the NRCC stepped in in NY and tried to get the 10 county chairmen to open up the process…..He bragged about how they got these guys to hold several closed door debates and the same ten guys who decided they wanted Dede in the first place cast a ballot for her just like they had planned to from the start.

Pete Sessions spent a lot of words and ink patting himself on the back for the genious of his move and how he’d made the process of her selection fair.

I remember the post because I remember putting up a scoffing post about what difference it mad to have a couple of debates when the same 10 guys were gonna vote for the same person they wanted to in the first place and the debates were just for show!

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Interesting news today...

mbecker908 Sunday, November 1st at 1:06PM EST (link)

From the NY Daily News

Assemblywoman Dede Scozzafava, who did not formally endorse either of her rivals when she dropped her bid for former Rep. John McHugh’s seat in NY-23 yesterday, apparently has a favorite after all - and it’s not Conservative nominee Doug Hoffman.

According to the Watertown Times, which had endorsed Scozzafava and switched its support to Democratic candidate Bill Owens this morning, the Republican assemblywoman “began to quietly and thoughtfully encourage her supporters” to vote for Owens yesterday.

This occurred as she publicly declined to choose sides after her campaign and a Hoffman operative agreed giving him her nod would do more harm than good.

At 10 p.m. last night - right in the middle of the Halloween festivities - Scozzafava’s husband, Ron McDougall, president of the Jefferson/Lewis/St. Lawrence Central Labor Council issued a statement through the AFL-CIO that he is endorsing Owens against Conservative candidate Doug Hoffman.

Oh and mndasher, you are an idiot. You’ve obviously not followed the events involved in Dede’s “nomination”.

CongressCritter™: Never have so few felt like they were owed so much by so many for so little.

Well of course she supports Owens she is a LIBERAL....

JadedByPolitics Sunday, November 1st at 1:14PM EST (link)

I will be praying that EVERYONE who has donated money to the NRCC for Scozzafava’s campaign DEMANDS their money back!

MONEY will be the PAIN the NRCC will finally learn a lesson from!

Whoever has his enemy at his mercy &
does not destroy him is his own enemy

But...but...but...Jaded, this simply cannot be!

eburke Sunday, November 1st at 1:29PM EST (link)

It is the *conservatives* who aren’t team players and who take their ball and go home when they don’t get their way.

How could this have happend to an ‘enlightened moderate’.

Somehow, someway, this must be Rush’s fault.

“All that need be done for evil to triumph is for good men to do nothing.”

“Dead fish go with the flow” ~ izoneguy

“We have a Statue of Liberty not a Statue of Necessity” ~ ColdWarrior

 
 

Becker- I was just hearing on Fox

Scope Sunday, November 1st at 1:16PM EST (link)

that many of DeDe’s supporters were Democrats. So, in addition to your find above, it looks like DeDe’s votes will all go to Ownes. There is nothing so desperate in life, as being a Democrat.

She was a significant supporter of forced unionization.

mbecker908 Sunday, November 1st at 1:37PM EST (link)

Gee, I wonder why?

Apparently, because of her husband, several unions had endorsed her. They are now in whole hog for Owens.

CongressCritter™: Never have so few felt like they were owed so much by so many for so little.

Just like a lot of law firms, unions have their token

Achance Sunday, November 1st at 2:11PM EST (link)

Republican or two. Some of the independent law enforcement and corrections unions really are Republican; they pretty much have to be because their members generally can’t stand the sorts of people Democrats tend to appoint to run law enforcement units. Think lesbian social worker.

The rest are just “passing” in order to have some entre to the Republican side, especially if they have to deal with Republicans in charge or one or more branches of the government.

In Vino Veritas

Art,

Wayne Sunday, November 1st at 2:56PM EST (link)

Again, your experience with unions shows. Sounds like you’ve bargained against the chief in San Francisco. But, you make a valid point, it’s hard to shake hands with someone when you’re trying to hold your nose to avoid the stench of union/dem politics.

“Hell, these are Marines. Men like them held Guadalcanal, and took Iwo Jima, Baghdad ain’t s–t”. Maj. Gen. John F. Kelly, USMC, Deputy CG, First MEF

I've bargained with law enforcement from the management side

Achance Sunday, November 1st at 3:45PM EST (link)

and bargained for them from the union side, also done a lot of grievances and arbitrations from both sides. I like both sides actually. There’s nobody badder than a bad cop so it’s fun to nail one from the management side. And, since, especially in Democrat administration, but some Rs too, cops and corrections can have some real knuckle draggers in management, so they’re fun to mess with from the union side. These days knuckle dragging managers make me a good bit of money from the union side, but when I worked for the employer, most of my work was because of knuckle dragging management as well.

In Vino Veritas

I agree,

Wayne Sunday, November 1st at 8:39PM EST (link)

Art. Nothing like bad management to recruit for a union. Seems like most of the grievance arbitrations I went to, management had overstepped on things that, deep down, I agreed should have been done. If it required a week suspension, they’d slap the guy/gal with two weeks, just because they could. And because they thought it would cost the union money to fight it. Most times, the union got the money back from the arbitrator, and won the grievance.
And because they (management) had a bad habit of not crossing their t’s and dotting their i’s, there were people that should have been fired that weren’t, or, more correctly, they were fired, then got their jobs back in arbitration.

“Hell, these are Marines. Men like them held Guadalcanal, and took Iwo Jima, Baghdad ain’t s–t”. Maj. Gen. John F. Kelly, USMC, Deputy CG, First MEF

I almost never lost arbitrations once I got into a position to choose

Achance Monday, November 2nd at 1:52PM EST (link)

whether to go or not. Every now and then it would either be politically necessary to go be told by an arbitrator or it wasn’t worth the political capital to settle out from under a commissioner or director when I could just go lose and blame it on the arbitrator.

It is a LOT tougher for the union to tell a member they won’t take their case up. “Duty of fair representation” cases are expensive to win and exorbitant to lose, so the union would rather just take it to arbitration because it is cheaper and quicker. The last “DFR” I did for the employer was for a Corrections dismissal where the guy had already had a big suspension. We didn’t start until 9, took lots of breaks and a long lunch, and the union rep, the arbitrator and I had drinks in our hands before 5.

In Vino Veritas

 
 
 
 
 
 
 

GOP still needs to gets its s#!t together

mndasher Sunday, November 1st at 5:25PM EST (link)

The GOP obviously needs to do a better job picking and endorsing candidates. Scozzafava was not the type of candidate to move the country back to the constitutional right.

That being said: My understanding was that the NRCC did not help with the nomination. If they did then I agree, with RedState and Sessions should go. I do not and have not supported Scozzafava at all, but don’t think the NRCC should be blamed for a local screw up. Seems they should have had a primary election.

Now that Scozzafava endorsed the D, it looks really bad for the local GOP, and who ever else was involved in her endorsement.

They have it together.

Steph C Sunday, November 1st at 5:28PM EST (link)

Their problem is trying to convince conservatives it doesn’t stink.

“[I]f the public are bound to yield obedience to laws to which they cannot give their approbation, they are slaves to those who make such laws and enforce them.” –Candidus in the Boston Gazette, 1772
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55555. nt

redneck_hippie Sunday, November 1st at 5:30PM EST (link)

“We must not lose our faculty to dare, especially in dark days.” - Churchill in March, 1942.

Remember NY-23; translation: RINOs Have No Base.

 

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AceInTX Monday, November 2nd at 12:00AM EST (link)

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What about McCarthy?

Scope Sunday, November 1st at 1:07PM EST (link)

Anyone at the head of an organization that does something so stupid as endorsing Scozzafava, surely should step down, and remove themselves from any further candidate or campaign activities. Get that Sessions? But, I must ask, what about Rep. Kevin McCarthy, Calif. who is the GOP NRCC recruiting person? I don’t know how much truth there was to the stories involving the/some NRCC members interjecting themselves into who the Republican party there would choose to run in the 23rd. NRO reports that McCarthy attended fundraisers for Scozzafava, and donated to her campaign. That was before he yesterday decided to send the Hoffman campaign $5,000., which is way too little, way too late. Shouldn’t the entire NRCC membership be mentioned, and equally taken to task for the utter chaos they have caused with this race? Everyone needs to know all the names that make of the team of nincompoops, so that when/if they talk in the future about candidates, we know what to expect from them.

 

My dear, dear Erick

tracycoyle Sunday, November 1st at 1:28PM EST (link)

Dede is EXACTLY what the GOP has been saying is needed for years. A ‘moderate’ that can appeal to the left..er..independents.

As far as the Leadership is concerned, they didn’t do anything wrong. Palin and the ‘conservative fringe’ came in and disrupted a perfectly good GOP race. They will continue to push the liberal side of the GOP as the ONLY way to win back the Congress and the White House.

I am not asking you to abandon the GOP, but any suggestion that the current GOP leadership would be recognizable to Reagan as such, is blind faith.

“I” support Hoffman. When Scozzafava announced her suspension, the fact she would not endorse Hoffman is all the confirmation needed that she was useless to the GOP and any hope to offset Democrats.

Sorry, but the GOP leadership, today, has again taken away the wrong lesson. I see them continuing, even increasing their leftward drift…..

Exactly right.

caindependent Sunday, November 1st at 2:52PM EST (link)

The situation in this country has gone way past party concerns. We have unfit canidates in both parties that are running simply to get on the gravy train and experience (like Newt & the rest of the so called Republicrat leadership) the “thrill of the deal” in crafting yet more costly (on so many levels) legislation.

In short, both parties, like government is a solution in search of a problem.

Get rid of the vain idiots and power hungry in the GOP and it will appeal again to the average citizen. Right now Sessions, Graham, Newt & the rest are just Obama lite.

I will take a republican over a democrat any day

antisocial Sunday, November 1st at 3:41PM EST (link)

There is no such thing as Obama-lite. Even squishy republicans are 100 times better than democrats.

Agreed we have to set our house in order. But throwing hands and getting frustrated is not going to help you. If you as a conservative can’t find a republican that you can support, can you ever find a democrat.

If you don’t like your republican representative, get involved.

No you can’t - Moe Lane
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The Emperor has no clothes!!!
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Republicans who lost the Crap-and-Raid fight in the House -
Mary Bomo Mac (CA-45)
Mike Castle (DE)
Mark Kirk (IL-10)
Frank A. LoBiondo (NJ-02)
Chris Smith (NJ-04)
Leonard Lance (NJ-07)
John M. McHugh (NY-23)
Dave Reichert (WA-08)

The aswer is to throw the politically corrupt "leadership" out.

caindependent Sunday, November 1st at 4:33PM EST (link)

When my former party accuses me of racism, ala Newt & Graham, and the party is taken over by religion-on-the-sleeve-squirrel-in-the-popcorn-popper, and fiscal idiots like Graham, Scuzzyfava, Newt and McLame (who hires a La Raza directos & mexican national to help run his campaign) then it’s time to really question it’s health and relevance.

Wake up. These idiots are in in for themselves as much as Reid, Frank, Dodd and the rest of the Kleptocrats.

In their own way they are more corrupt for selling out principle, their constituents and country for personal vanity and the right to say “I helped pass Bill X”.

No thanks, been there & done it for more than 20 years.

The Republicans need to police their ranks (with urging from burnt suporters) to become any kind of an “opposition party” again. All they have done for decades is act as enablers and help put themselves out of business until the Democrats become so odious that the Republicrats get another shot at slowing the disaster in the making.

Screw party loyalty and start voting with some character and make your thoughts known.

The Republicans are supposed to be the party of straight talkers and it’s about time the leadership really heard some truth.

Yes, we should pick the babies out of the bath water, but the whole tub is fouled with excrement at this point.

And I am active and vocal in local politics but view the Republicans with the very healthy skepticism they have fought so hard to earn for years at the expense of hundreds of billions.

just a one word reply

chbroussard Monday, November 2nd at 12:34AM EST (link)
 
 

Apeasers are as bad or worse than the people they appease...

AceInTX Monday, November 2nd at 12:12AM EST (link)

Chamberlain made the work the allies did infinitely harder for the allies by giving Hitler Austria and half of Czechoslovakia on a silver platter through negotiation and turning a blind eye to the tanks rolling through the other half of Czechoslovakia…Even after Hitler unleashed his blitzkrieg on Poland he was desparately sending wires trying to get Hitler back to the table to “Talk”.

By the time the inevitable war came…Hitler had gained vast natural resources, manpower, industrial capacity, etc. without a shot being fired which the allies then had to contend with going forward.

It’s one of the surest things I see of Hitler’s madness because he pushed as hard for war when all he’d have had to do was continue to saber rattle and chamberlain would have fallen all over himself to give him more to preserve peace for our time!

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I'm not ready to throw Sessions overboard yet.

Third Street Sunday, November 1st at 2:21PM EST (link)

The Scozzafava debacle aside — and it was a massive, massive cock-up, no question about it — under Sessions, the NRCC has done the best job of recruiting the GOP has seen in at least two (and possibly more) cycles, finding strong candidates to win back seats we ought never to have lost, such as AL-02, FL-08, ID-01, and MS-01; putting up major challenges to Democrat incumbents who’ve had a free ride for years, as in AR-02, MO-04, and TN-08; and even making us competitive in unlikely races like CA-47 and HI-01. (These are all just examples; there are many more.)

Now it’s true, I can’t vouch for the conservatism of these candidates. There could very well be more DeDe Scozzafavas among these ranks of these recruits, and if so they need to be flushed out. But regardless of what might happen over the next year, Sessions’ NRCC has put us on the playing field in a way we weren’t in ‘06 and ‘08; these efforts have been crucial to our chances of taking back the House in ‘10 and putting the brakes on the Obamagenda for good.

But we don't want to 'put on the brakes'; what we

Xasteius Sunday, November 1st at 3:00PM EST (link)

want is to stop the agenda dead in its tracks and reverse it.

Incrementalism got us where we are today.

Don’t leave the party, hijack it back!

Eternal vigilance is the price of freedom.

When I grow up, I don’t want to be Reagan. I want to be Art Chance.
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Sessions is going to be doing the tour with Newt & Sharpton soon.

caindependent Sunday, November 1st at 3:43PM EST (link)

This tool is going to be running the same scams as Newt & BobDull as soon as he gets tossed out.

Take the Ken Doll Boehner with you too. The guy gives me the creeps and looks like a union boss addicted to tanning booths.

The Republicrats need to get serious about some principled, intelligent and courageous leadership.

 

Two outcomes

Return to Revolution Sunday, November 1st at 4:01PM EST (link)

One is the 3rd party route that could possibly come out of the tea party movement. The other is what most folks here have very clearly been advocating: taking back the GOP.

As long as you agree with the basic platform of the GOP, the latter should be the obvious choice. Even if a 3rd (conservative) party could be successful its a tremendous risk, like going for a touchdown (and win) on 4th and long when you could tie it with a short FG and go to OT (sorry for cheesy football analogies).

As far as taking back the GOP, events like NY23 and the Rubio/Crist contest are exactly the things that could and should reform the GOP. If they all fail to effect change, the 3rd party movement may happen anyway - and thus a whole lot of destruction will occur, both to the party and country before things get better (if at all).

The evil of the world is made possible by nothing but the sanction you give it.

I vote for taking the Party back...we can't afford a third party...it'd be death for us...

AceInTX Monday, November 2nd at 12:17AM EST (link)

Reagan himself said we didn’t need a third party…but a revitalized Republican Party.

We give in to the euphoria of this victory now…and try to go off on our own…we end up like we did in 1996…there will be a liberal Republican like Dole running against Obama which will demoralize the Republican Party…you’ll have a Ross Perot type character who will makle a big splash but only take 13% of the vote…and you’ll have Obama going back to the whitehouse for 4 years in a ropute like Clinton did!

BAD IDEA…Very BAD!

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Depends Ace-is it worth it if we get another McCain in 2012?

BlackConservative Monday, November 2nd at 12:25AM EST (link)

I’m going third party if we get another liberal, and I would suspect many in the tea party movement would be doing t he same. This isn’t so much advocating it now as much as leaving it open to a last resort. We’ve had liberals since Reagan left office-being an opposition party with principle is better than being a political whore for a few extra votes.

Hook Em (Horns stab Gators)

Blessed are you when people insult you, persecute you and falsely say all kinds of evil against you because of me. Rejoice and be glad, because great is your reward in heaven.-Jesus Christ

I won't go into what I might do if we get another liberal as the Republican Party Nominee...

AceInTX Monday, November 2nd at 2:16AM EST (link)

I’ve been warned against discussing it or face the blam stick….But I will address the early end of this…If Conservatives go trotting off to support a Perot…or a charismatic Conservative the Republican Party will be left to the squishes who will nominate another Dole….it’s what happened when FisCons left for Perot

Conservatives didn’t have enough strength and we ended up with the weakest candidate we’ve ever ran to face off against Bill Clinton.

We need to get to work now to ensure we don’t face a split in 12.

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Death of a thousand cuts....

tracycoyle Monday, November 2nd at 12:50AM EST (link)

How many RINOs will it take? How many times will the GOP say, we have to be liberal lite to appeal to the middle?

I am gay. I am Agnostic. I am Conservative. If I can, why can’t YOU STAND UP AND FIGHT damn it.

You won't get any argument out of me...

AceInTX Monday, November 2nd at 2:21AM EST (link)

If they won’t fight…they need to get out of the way and let someone up on the wall who will…but any talk of a third party is way off right now…we need to grab these crap weasels by the nose and beat them simple for a while…and we won’t be able to do that if we go off an leave the party to them to work their mischief!

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If Sessions refuses to step down---then what?

smagar Sunday, November 1st at 6:24PM EST (link)

Erick,

Presuming you meant what you’ve said in this diary—and I’m sure you do mean it—I fear you’ve just dropped a torch on Redstate’s bridge to the Republican Party.

You didn’t ask Rep. Sessions to learn from his mistakes. You didn’t ask him to make sure this didn’t happen again.

You ordered him and his “loyal lieutenants” to vacate the premises. In disgrace.

What if they refuse? What will you and Redstate do then?

I presume you have no intention of walking this back….which is good, because I don’t see how you can.

I am starting to wonder if Redstate has decided to focus first on reenergizing conservatism within the Republican Party, instead of recapturing the House of Representatives in 2010.

I’m wondering that because I don’t see how you can complete a housecleaning (let’s not call it a “purge”) of the GOP before the 2010 elections. Can you? Have you thought it through? If so, please explain it to the rest of us.

OK—please explain it to me, because I don’t see how you can (a) identify and purge the current “RINOs”—some of whom, I presume, will resist–(b) identify and install new party leadership and (c) organize and run successful Congressional candidiates—ALL before November 2010.

I’m with Third Street (see above). I’m hearing lots of good stories about Congressional recruiting. Is Rep Sessions so bad that he and ALL of his “loyal lieutenants” must take the revolver you’re handing them and do the honorable thing? (Figuratively and professionally–not literally, of course).

To be clear, this is your site. You’ve made it a force in national politics. If you and the Redstate faithful have decided that it’s worth jeopardizing a chance to take back the House in 2010, that’s your right.

Sadly, I’m hoping that’s what you’ve decided. Because, with more diaries like these, I fail to see how Redstate can cooperate effectively with the Republican Party leadership at national, state and local levels.

You don’t talk this way to people you want to partner with, or win over. You talk this way to people you expect to surrender.

That’s a shame, because our opposition has many, many advantages. They hold all the levers of national power, are supported by a compliant media, and have many, many sources of funding. To make matters worse, WE are in the position of dislodging THEM. It’s a lot easier to defend a fort than take one. And, we are facing some of the craftiest politicians—Rahm Emmanuel, David Axelrod—America’s ever produced. If there’s a tricky way to hold onto a Congressional seat, they’ll find it. Ask Senator Stuart Smalley.

The Democrats are damaging our country’s future every day they hold unfettered power. I can literally hear the money printing presses whirring in overdrive, sapping the value from my savings and eroding my toddler son’s future.

For that reason, I am not willing to give the Democrats two more years to spend, and raise taxes, and trash our healthcare system, while we conservatives pause to remake our party. IMO our best chance to slow them down is to take back the House in 2010. So, IMO, that is our first target. We retook the Phillippines AFTER we took Guadalcanal, Pelilieu, etc… First things first.

I eagerly await some reassurance from you and the Redstate leadership, that you can make the changes you seek in the GOP without screwing up our chances to take back the House in 2010. I don’t see how you can.

I hope I’m wrong. I hope you can do it. I just don’t see how.

Instead, I see a long spate of infighting that will sap our strength, prevent us from uniting and give the Democrats the openings they need to hold onto enough seats to keep the House in 2010. (Rest assured, the MSM will work overtime to inflame tensions amongst any infighting GOP factions).

I regret the tack you’re taking here. The NY-23 affair has validated many of the criticisms you’ve leveled against the GOP leadership. They now are duty-bound to pay closer attention to what the grassroots conservatives are saying. I suspect, though, that they are not so craven that they will simply take the revolver and pull the trigger (again, figuratively) simply because you insist they must.

Please do not overreach.

“Who will stand/On either hand/And guard this bridge with me?” (Macaulay)

Fool me once....

tracycoyle Sunday, November 1st at 6:40PM EST (link)

If this were the first example of the GOP leaderships folly, you would have tons of people in agreement with you. Unfortunately, it is not. Over, and over again, we see the GOP look at conservatives either as country bumpkins best appeased by token nods, or fanatics carefully separated from any influence.

What is there to do? I, like many others gave up when Congressional Republicans proved no better than their Democrat counterparts: unprincipled power hounds more concerned with their own aggrandizement than governing.

Even now, today, the GOP is blaming Palin and Conservatives - rather than a clear left-oriented candidate selection.

I am a Conservative. That is the philosphy, the ideology, the foundation of my political choices. If the GOP wants MY vote, MY money that is what they need to focus on appealing to. But actions speaking louder than words and there are several GOP supported candidates not much better than Scozzafava….if they want to prove they have learned their lesson, then let the GOP Leadership show it….

tracycoyle, why don't you answer the question I posed to Erick?

smagar Sunday, November 1st at 8:32PM EST (link)

What’s more important? Winning the House in 2010, or remaking the GOP?

If I’m reading you correctly…

I am a Conservative. That is the philosphy, the ideology, the foundation of my political choices. If the GOP wants MY vote, MY money that is what they need to focus on appealing to.

…you’re hinting you might not support the GOP in the 2010 elections? David Axelrod and Rahm Emmanuel thank you. Prepare to pay much higher taxes and watch your healthcare be destroyed.

“Who will stand/On either hand/And guard this bridge with me?” (Macaulay)

Where I have been, where I am going....

tracycoyle Sunday, November 1st at 11:45PM EST (link)

I am a Conservative. I helped to found the American Conservative Party last year. I have been a member of Red State for…4 years? I quit being Republican in 2005, officially.

I didn’t vote for McCain last year, I had supported Thompson. I think Sarah Palin was a GREAT choice for VP but she was not the top of the ticket.

I will not vote for the lesser of two evils when that just gives the GOP more power to give me more evil choices because, they aren’t the democrats. I knew that if many conservatives agreed with me - and my daily work with ACP said they did - Obama would more than likely win.
Either we are going to be Conservatives - with principles or we are going be more concerned about winning, principles be damned.

If the GOP doesn’t learn the lesson of NY 23…and it appears, quite clearly it has not, then next year, we are going to have more RINOs and in 2012, we will have McCain redux. I don’t want that, and neither do most conservatives. Because we ARE conservatives first…..

"I quit being Republican in 2005, officially."

ColdWarrior Monday, November 2nd at 12:41AM EST (link)

This is a very interesting discussion.

Tracycoyle has admitted to being outside the Party completely but a supporter of conservatives. I hope you’ll come back.

Smagar, are you “in” the Party? That is, are you a voting member of it? A precinct committeeman? It sound like you are. I hope you are. You make a lot of good points about taking back the leadership of the Party and the mechanics of doing so. But even if the leadership elections don’t take place until after the 2010 elections (which is the case in most states, if not all — I don’t know the rules of all 50 states), I have seen first-hand how the tenor of the Party can change when conservatives come into it. At our last Maricopa County Executive Guidance Council meeting — the monthly leadership meeting — some moderate Republican state rep or senator tried some ridiculous parliamentary tactic to embarrass our conservative county chairman. The new “blood” of the party, the new conservative precinct committeemen recruited at the Tea Parties and town hall protests, came out in droves in support of the conservative county chairman. The applause in support of the chairman was deafening; the applause in support of the moderate was very weak. The vote failed.

A proposal. Come into the Party as a precinct committeeman now. Show up for the monthly local meetings. Get to know all the conservatives. Recruit every conservative you know to become a precinct committeeman. Then, when the next leadership elections happen, let’s elect conservative leaders.

As you both probably know, in 2008, HALF of the precinct committeeman slots nationwide were VACANT. Let’s fill ‘em up with conservatives. And thereby take over the Party.

Thank you.

ColdWarrior
http://www.theprecinctproject.wordpress.com

American first, conservative second and Republican precinct committeeman by necessity.

http://www.theprecinctproject.wordpress.com, so you can say, “I became a precinct committeeman before it was cool.”

“Elections have consequences, my friends.” — John McCain

Man I was thinking you will respond

antisocial Monday, November 2nd at 1:07AM EST (link)

when I saw the updates and I hate to copy paste from other’s comments.

Thank you.

No you can’t - Moe Lane
——————————
The Emperor has no clothes!!!
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Republicans who lost the Crap-and-Raid fight in the House -
Mary Bomo Mac (CA-45)
Mike Castle (DE)
Mark Kirk (IL-10)
Frank A. LoBiondo (NJ-02)
Chris Smith (NJ-04)
Leonard Lance (NJ-07)
John M. McHugh (NY-23)
Dave Reichert (WA-08)

 

You missed the mark ColdWarrior...He isn't interested in electing Conservatives...he want's to make excuses for the Scozzafavas and Crists! nt

AceInTX Monday, November 2nd at 1:23AM EST (link)

The “Big Tent” analogy isn’t the correct one…the correct one is a MAGNET…we need to be a MAGNET that draws these independents in who are sick and tired of what’s going on in WashingtonFred Thompson
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Well, I'm a relative newbie here and in the Party

ColdWarrior Monday, November 2nd at 2:05AM EST (link)

Smagar has been here a lot longer than me. I just have to assume someone who’s been here for over five years must know how important it is to become a voting member of the Party. And, therefore, is one.

I didn’t “get” how important it was to become a precinct committeeman until early in 2008 when someone told me that two-thirds of the slots were vacant in Maricopa County and that the moderates and conservatives were split about 50-50 and locked in a battle for the leadership of the Party. I just assumed that in “Goldwater Country,” the conservatives had everything under control. Boy, was I wrong.

I was relatively new to Arizona and just coasting along, working and raising the youngsters. I had been “politically active” over the years, in my mind, but never actually a precinct committeeman. I then also learned via Martin Knight’s postings here that about 50 per cent of the Party’s precinct committeeman slots nationwide were vacant on Election Day, 2008. Our Party went into the 2008 election cycle at half strength! No wonder we got our clocks cleaned. As Jed Clampett would say, “Pitiful. Pi - ti - ful.

Then when Teleprompter Boy and his cabal got elected, it just seemed so obvious that we conservatives needed to retake the Party from the grass roots. So . . . I started recruiting. Got a lot of, “I didn’t leave the Republican Party, the Party left me.” Amen.

But I have continued. Here, and wherever else conservatives gather. Conservative web sites. Tea Parties. Town hall protests. Etc. Even the Redstate gathering in Atlanta.

I was attracted to Redstate because it professed to be a place where conservative political activists gather. To me, the best way to be a political activist is to be “in” a political party as a voting member of the Party. That’s on the top of my priority list. Then, I do whatever else I think might make a difference in getting conservatives elected. I have no idea what percentage of active Redstaters are also active precinct committeeman. I have my suspicions.

I have literally been to Republican Party Club meetings where, when I’ve asked for a show of hands of how many people in attendance were precinct committeemen, less than ten per cent of the hands went up. And I’m being charitable. What’s the point? Worse, usually long-time Club members come up to me and ask, “What is a precinct committeeman?”

Our level of knowledge of civics is pathetic. I guess I was lucky. I had a full-blown semester of Civics in 7th grade. I attended Boy’s State. My dad was a precinct committeeman, a city councilman, a county board member, and the chairman of a county board. His brother, my beloved uncle who drove a truck from Normandy Beach to Berlin and fought in the Battle of the Bulge, was a small-town mayor. His other brother, whose dairy farm I worked on as a kid and who’s still alive, was a rural town clerk for decades. And I could go on and on. And yet, I still didn’t “get it.” I didn’t get how important it was to actually be “in” a political party.

“We the People,” that is, we the CONSERVATIVE people, have to get involved in party politics. Ace, I know you are and you get it.

As do many others here. Erick E. is an elected official. He gets it, obviously.

Posting at Redstate isn’t “getting involved in politics.” Not really. Sorry, it doesn’t get you a vote in the Party leadership elections. That’s just a fact.

I have this crazy idea that at some point in the near future being a conservative Republican Party precinct committeeman will be so “cool” that conservatives will good-naturedly fight for every opening.

Thank you.
ColdWarrior
http://www.theprecinctproject.wordpress.com

P.S. I want everyone here to be able to say someday, “I was a conservative Republican precinct committeeman before being a conservative Republican precinct committeeman was cool.”

American first, conservative second and Republican precinct committeeman by necessity.

http://www.theprecinctproject.wordpress.com, so you can say, “I became a precinct committeeman before it was cool.”

“Elections have consequences, my friends.” — John McCain

Hey...I agree with you...but Smagar is an apologist for the thinking that brought us the NY-23 fiasco

AceInTX Monday, November 2nd at 2:10AM EST (link)

nt

The “Big Tent” analogy isn’t the correct one…the correct one is a MAGNET…we need to be a MAGNET that draws these independents in who are sick and tired of what’s going on in WashingtonFred Thompson
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House Conservatives Fund
Michael Williams for Senate
Marco 2010
Toomey US Senate

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...and Ace is the Madame Defarge of Redstate. nt

smagar Monday, November 2nd at 5:12PM EST (link)

“Who will stand/On either hand/And guard this bridge with me?” (Macaulay)

 
 

Question

realskinny Monday, November 2nd at 5:44PM EST (link)

Coldwarrior, are you saying there are stealth Democrats becoming Republican committeemen? If true it would explain a lot.

 
 
 

ColdWarrior, I agree that conservatives should replenish their ranks within the party...

smagar Monday, November 2nd at 4:47PM EST (link)

…but Erick and too many others are talking “purge” here.

It’s one thing to take charge in your local party—it’s another to “purge” it.

Yes, I am a party man. I’ve walked neighborhoods, knocked on doors and collected poll watcher sheets for my local Republican Party.

I haven’t signed up as a precint committeeman, because I frankly can’t spare the time. Work, full-time school and a two-year old consume all my available time. I don’t want to sign up for a committment if I can’t devote the energy it demands.

One reason I’m reacting so strongly on this issue, is that I DO recognize the large amount of time and effort it takes to do politics well. Many people have labored thanklessly at the local, state and national GOP levels the past four years. I’m concerned that we’re so hell-bent on purging the GOP that we’ll sweep out the innocent with the guilty.

They’re not all bums, folks.

“Who will stand/On either hand/And guard this bridge with me?” (Macaulay)

 
 

tracycoyle, you're running from reality and responsibility

smagar Monday, November 2nd at 5:18PM EST (link)

Elections are about choices, often between two imperfect and very flawed candidates.

By all means, get involved beforehand. Do everything you can to help nominate, and then elect, the best candidate possible.

But, in 2010, in virtually every case the GOP candidate will be a much better choice on fiscal issues than the Democrat will. If, out of spite/principle/a little bit of both, you then refuse to support the GOP candidate, you then de facto help to elect the Democrat. We all know what happens then.

By all means, do what you want. But, be willing to accept responsibility for what you do.

“Who will stand/On either hand/And guard this bridge with me?” (Macaulay)

Responsibility?

tracycoyle Monday, November 2nd at 6:50PM EST (link)

I take FULL responsibility for acting in a way that helped Obama become president - because I took and TAKE full responsibility for my vote.

There are more than fiscal issues involved! I am not a fiscal conservative, or a social conservative, or a national security conservative, I am a conservative. There are issues of immigration, war on terror, judges, foreign policy and federal spending.

So, based on YOUR position, I should have voted for Scazzovo right!? There was the Republican. Not the 3rd party candidate and certainly not the Democrat.

If my choice is between a conservative and a liberal (whether of the democrat or RINO variety) I will choose the Conservative, but if my choice is a democrat or a RINO, I walk, MY VOTE is worth more to me than that.

So, I knew the consequences of my act last year. I accept the consequences of that act. I had hoped the GOP would learn that it can not ignore conservatives, it can’t offer up candidates that are worthless RINOs because, what else am I going to do…vote for the Democrat?

It is clear the GOP has not learned. It blamed Palin for costing McCain the election. It supported Scazzovo. Charlie Crist?

How is it being responsible to continue to support an organization and candidates that can’t or won’t support conservative principles? If winning is all there is, why bother worrying about principles - find the popular policies and push those, until the popularity changes to something else.

I abdicated my responsibility to supervise my government - I will not do that any longer.

hang in there

kyle8 Monday, November 2nd at 7:04PM EST (link)

I think you are right

“Nothing works like freedom, Nothing succeeds like liberty”
Kyle

 
 
 
 

Obviously winning the House in 2010 is important...but what's the point if they'll just be rubber staming "The One"

AceInTX Monday, November 2nd at 1:18AM EST (link)

You present a false Choice Smeagal…This isn’t just about beating the Democrats to say we beat them…we need to beat them and stop their agenda…electing Republicans who will advance the Democrat’s agenda isn’t winning…Period!

The “Big Tent” analogy isn’t the correct one…the correct one is a MAGNET…we need to be a MAGNET that draws these independents in who are sick and tired of what’s going on in WashingtonFred Thompson
Senate Conservatives Fund
House Conservatives Fund
Michael Williams for Senate
Marco 2010
Toomey US Senate

SarahPAC

OK, Ace---if we do what you want, will the GOP win the House in 2010?

smagar Monday, November 2nd at 4:52PM EST (link)

I don’t think they will…and frankly, I don’t think you care. I think you’re having too much fun blowing gas. (Which, I must admit, you excel at).

Yes, Ace, responsibility is a drag—but it’s something adults willingly take on. Care to grow up and join the rest of us?

“Who will stand/On either hand/And guard this bridge with me?” (Macaulay)

 
 
 
 

You miss a very simple point

bs Sunday, November 1st at 8:37PM EST (link)

We believe that reenergizing conservatism will help us recapture Congress in 2010. It’s not one or the other. It’s that one will lead to the other.

Very simple.

Decorum is fo’ suckas - unless it’s one of the good guys

No, bs, I think YOUR point is way too simple.

smagar Monday, November 2nd at 5:11PM EST (link)

We believe that reenergizing conservatism will help us recapture Congress in 2010. It’s not one or the other. It’s that one will lead to the other.

Just so we’re clear, bs: You honestly think that Redstate and its allies can achieve a, b, and c above (see the questions I asked to Erick) in enough time to win the Congress in 2010.

Now, it’s OK to say that you think that conservatism should be reenergized first, and THEN the Congress should be recaptured. I disagree wholeheartedly, because SOMEONE has to stop Obama from spending money our grandkids don’t have, and that someone is us. But, it is a fair point of view. Hard, but fair. And, I’ll have to grudgingly respect someone who’s willing to step forward and take responsibility for the hard choice. (“Yes, we are ready to give up our chances to win the Congress in 2010, and endure two more years of record-breaking deficit spending, in hopes of winning a bigger conservative victory in 2012.”)

But, IMO it’s wishful thinking to assert that we can “purge” the GOP of “RINOs,” remake it with new conservative leadership and still win in 2010.

Wishful thinking is for blogs, not reality.

“Who will stand/On either hand/And guard this bridge with me?” (Macaulay)

 
 

My precious...(read bipartisanship)....where is she....we can't lives without our precious...nt

AceInTX Monday, November 2nd at 12:20AM EST (link)

The “Big Tent” analogy isn’t the correct one…the correct one is a MAGNET…we need to be a MAGNET that draws these independents in who are sick and tired of what’s going on in WashingtonFred Thompson
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House Conservatives Fund
Michael Williams for Senate
Marco 2010
Toomey US Senate

SarahPAC

Check your meds, Ace---you're mumbling here. NT

smagar Monday, November 2nd at 4:53PM EST (link)

“Who will stand/On either hand/And guard this bridge with me?” (Macaulay)

I'm making fun or you Smeagol nt

AceInTX Monday, November 2nd at 6:45PM EST (link)

The “Big Tent” analogy isn’t the correct one…the correct one is a MAGNET…we need to be a MAGNET that draws these independents in who are sick and tired of what’s going on in WashingtonFred Thompson
Senate Conservatives Fund
House Conservatives Fund
Michael Williams for Senate
Marco 2010
Toomey US Senate

SarahPAC
 
 
 

I've pointed out to you numerous times Smagar...this is a fight the Moderates and Liberals in this party have chosen

AceInTX Monday, November 2nd at 1:11AM EST (link)

I can take you back through decades of attacks and smears on the base of this party from Bill Weld, Pete Wilson, Christi Todd Whitman, Charlie Bass, Tom Davis, Olympia Snowe, Susan Collins, John Danforth, Warren Rudman, and on and on and on…I could give you 50 more names but what’s the point…they always make the same arguement you are making…they insist we work with them…we are to accommodate them…we’re to help them to win elections and do and say anything they want about us…they can leave the ranch and vote for the most liberal trash coming from the other party…and all the while they’ll go on Meet the Press, This Week, or Face the nation and attack conservatives and the base of this party using the same vile names and rhetoric the most despicable Democrat does…and we’re expected to keep our mouths shut…

I keep pointing out the Republican Party Mopped the floor with the Democrats just five years ago with a simple base strategy and here we are 5 years and two elections later grabbing our raped rear ends and wondering what the hell happened…

Well let me tell you what happened…the Dems realized they couldn’t keep attacking Conservatives and Values Voters the way they had been and survive…so they started dialing back their attcks and rhetoric….while at the same time I’ll never forget the hyperventilating nail biting, bed wetting response from the moderates in this party in 2004…the day after the election we started hearing lectures that by appealing to the “Radical Fringe…and whatever other name they wanted to use…the Republican Party was doomed to mediocrity…and the brains of this outfit set to moderating our message…

and look where we are since running the “Maverick and runing on the most mealy mouthed pandering tripe ever uttered by a Presidential nominee!

And you would have us lay down and let it continue?

Bah!

The “Big Tent” analogy isn’t the correct one…the correct one is a MAGNET…we need to be a MAGNET that draws these independents in who are sick and tired of what’s going on in WashingtonFred Thompson
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You are a piece of work, Ace. You're martyr and victim all rolled into one.

smagar Monday, November 2nd at 5:03PM EST (link)

Please forgive me if I refuse to join in your pity party.

Personally, I think you’re a hysteric, and way too silly for normal adult life. You probably feel the same about me, or worse—that’s fine with me.

You don’t strike me as a deliberate, thoughtful person. Too bad, because this is the time for deliberate, thoughtful people.

I tell you this because, in the title of your last post, you complain that you’ve told me things “numerous times.” I’m sure you have—but I’ve ignored them, because I determined your opinions to be worthless long, long ago. I don’t waste my time listening to advice from silly people, and I consider you one of Redstate’s silliest.

So, feel free to keep giving me advice, if it makes you feel good. But, you might want to spare yourself the effort.

In my original comment, I made clear that I agreed with many of you, in that the national GOP should recognize the mistakes it made with Scozoffava and do better next time.

But, it seems that most of Redstate wants nothing to do with the GOP party organizations. Instead you want them all to fall on their swords. I doubt they will.

I’ve asked what you’ll do then…but, in your case at least, I already know the answer. You’ll keep SPEAKING TRUTH TO POWER!!!!

Enjoy irrelevance, Ace. It will be here sooner than you think.

“Who will stand/On either hand/And guard this bridge with me?” (Macaulay)

Perhaps "the base" is a bit theatrical and melodramatic at times

aesthete Monday, November 2nd at 6:06PM EST (link)

But it is the same base which exposed Scozzie for who she was, and which has put the legwork into getting a conservative elected in NY-23. As I recall, you held on to the Scozzie campaign until the bitter end, did an about-face and switched support to Hoffman, and then began berating RS for… something, I’m not even sure what. I’ll also note, you’re casting Erick, Neil, et al into roles that they have emphatically rejected for themselves as 3rd partiers and “establishment” discontents. I, personally, don’t think that resignation on the part of Pete Sessions will happen. I don’t, however, delude myself into thinking that everything is just fine and dandy at the NRCC, and though I would like to think that Sessions learned from his errors and didn’t have to fire anyone to correct them, that is wishful thinking to the extreme. At the very least, an acknowledgment of how badly they screwed this one up would be nice.

Guilt is a rope that wears thin.
-Ayn Rand

“I am a freeman in a free state!”
-Last words of Dumnorix, chieftan of the Aedui, 54 BC

10X10X10....

JadedByPolitics Monday, November 2nd at 6:13PM EST (link)

the “I’ll vote for anything with an R” behind it (including for Card Check & Cap & Tax and the “stimulus” and PRODEATH) person calling out a PASSIONATE foot soldier in the Conservative Movement….how rich!

Whoever has his enemy at his mercy &
does not destroy him is his own enemy

Funny thing is

aesthete Monday, November 2nd at 6:18PM EST (link)

the Democrat (Owens) had a demonstrably better and more conservative record than Scozzie, so even if Hoffman’s bid had failed, we still would have been better off than with Scozzie in the House (minus procedural votes, of course).

And not to point out the obvious, but if the issue had been decided in a primary, Hoffman would likely have been selected, and Republicans would have been united. This is a mess entirely of the local party + the NRCC’s making.

Guilt is a rope that wears thin.
-Ayn Rand

“I am a freeman in a free state!”
-Last words of Dumnorix, chieftan of the Aedui, 54 BC

 
 
 

I'm a victim? I'm a Martyr? This whole conversation started with you weeping into your fan

AceInTX Monday, November 2nd at 6:48PM EST (link)

about how Erick was chasing away good republicans and how we needed to pander and pamper and play nice with the moderates of this party….

Never mind…why bother….

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Marco 2010
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SarahPAC
 
 
 
 

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