Swing State Project. Apparently, this was a projection after redistricting. Your site shows the correct vote in 2008, so I retract my statement.

In any case, your link also says this district tends to vote more democrat in Presidential elections, and more Republican in others, which goes against your argument that a “liberal/moderate” is needed here. The polls show quite the contrary….a strong conservative can easily win in this district, so there’s no reason to select a liberal.

Mbecker has also shown that Dede is no fiscal conservative….she has no conservative credentials at all. There was no good reason for the local party goons in cahoots with the NRCC to select her, and now they’re paying for it.

In case you haven’t been watching politics lately, people are sick and tired of government intrusion in their lives and are not going to sit back and take it anymore. Unfortunately for liberal-supporters like you, that’s just not good news. Because at this point most of us really don’t care about collateral damage. We’re willing to let a few races go to the democrat to send a strong message to GOP leadership that we aren’t going to tolerate this anymore.

last year sure are representing their local interests aren’t they? You know, the congresscritters that got fiercely challenged by their constituents in town halls and tea parties because they aligned with Pelosi and Obama rather than their constituents. Oh, and many of those doing the challenging, or yelling if you prefer in those town halls are the same independents you talk about, who now realize they were had.

Nothing wrong with standing in the middle of the road I guess, if you don’t mind dodging trucks, but sooner or later one’s going to hit you.

many independents stopped voting Republican because the DC Republicans pretty much abandoned their conservative principles

Independents respect a disciplined and principle Conservative, even when they are are not personally aligned that way on every issue.

In contrast, the squishes don’t impress anyone, especially when DC is spending money by the truckload

Because this site is going to be all about “local elections” for the next 2-4 years at minimum. Every race for Senate or House is going to be covered here at length, and we will be doing everything we possibly can to put conservatives into position to run on the GOP side of these races.

And to consider these “local elections” is the height of stupidity. In case you hadn’t noticed, the vote of one single Senator or Rep can sway the policy of the United States of America. Therefore, one dipwad Dede can be responsible for me having my taxes jacked up or my freedom taken away, no matter who elects them.

You are either naive as hell or being intentionally stupid.

You mean like Dede, who just endorsed and is working for the Democrat candidate? Moderate like that? You can have ‘em. Take every one of them with you, and don’t let the door hit you in the [redacted] on the way out.

Dem lite policies and candidates. If a Republican candidate can turn around and throw her support to the Dems, that is what she was all along. If the the local “king-makers” chose her with the help of the GOP establishment, that is the type of candidate they obviously wanted. Republicans have been losing because the voter has not had a distinct choice between the two parties. Just the “lesser of two evils.” Not a very good reason for electing someone.

If you are a liberal Republican, and you are here to try and persuade us to go that route, not going to happen. If you are here as a Dem to just argue and try to undermine us, again, not going to happen.

So why do you want Democrat type candidates?

Welcome aboard (unless you’re saying that you’d prefer Owens)

Those would be your choices.

Then revise and resubmit this line:

“I simply don’t believe a 3rd party conservative movement is a positive thing,”

If you think this is what NY 23 is about, then you are totally misinformed.

First of all, in New York State, unlike anywhere else in the country, the Conservative Party actually has roots and has elected people to statewide office. They aren’t the Libertarians or Paultards.

Secondly, if elected Hoffman will caucus with Republicans in the House, he will be a reliable vote in the House, and he will most likely run as a Republican next time around.

I know that if you’re willing to vote for a Democrat, or even say nice things about one, you can go straight to h*ll. What part of “the Democratic Party - from national to local - is dedicated to destroying this country” don’t you get.

You’re starting (or continuing actually) to make zero sense.

First, please show me the post where any of the moderators or even regular posters have stated that they believe that this model is one that should be followed nationwide. What you will find, if you’re reading comprehension or intellectual honesty allows you, is the oft-repeated thought that this is a special situation and can/should be used to send a message to the GOP establishment as to what happens when they use the national apparatus to jam a liberal down the throats of the party in a local election.

Second, your logic totally falls apart as you keep bleating that you’re ‘not supporting Scozzofava”. Hells bells, man, if it wasn’t for all the people that you keep castigating on here, that’s who we’d have. I’m not sure what part of the illogic of that you’re missing.

Unless you don’t want to see it…and want to hide behind the ‘we shouldn’t get involved’. In which case, I’d suggest you send an email to the NRCC, the NY GOP, and the local GOP party bosses telling them how PO’d you are that they didn’t hold a primary. It’s the only logical position you’re previous posts can lead you to.

Unless, of course, you’re being purposely obtuse.

who didn’t have the testicular fortitude to call out Obama for the radical Marxist his was/is, and because his voting record was so ‘moderate’ that he couldn’t have distinguished himself from Bambi’s moderate rhetoric even if he wanted too.

McCain ran the kind of mushy, squishy, blah campaign that you ‘moderates’ think the country will flock to and got his carcass handed to him. That you are so wrapped up in the sanctimony of your “I’m smarter than everyone else ’cause I’m an enlightened moderate’ shows how totally clueless you are.

So…if you can’t recognize that, you are beyond hope and I am done wasting bandwidth on you.

Have a great day in what ever fantasy world you’re living in…and those of us who get it will continue to fight so that you still have a country in which to spew your fantasy-land tripe.

Ciao!

Or is it your divine knowledge? Or are you just a troll who is here to cause problems? My bet is on the latter.

But I’ll post one more response, and then I’ll put you on the troll watch list.

1) McCain won the primaries fair and square. RedState was behind McCain after the primaries because (and listen carefully, Sparky) we support the Republican in the general election. There are precious few situations where that won’t happen (Scozzafava is one of those, and that’s mostly because she never won a primary - she was selected by the party apparatus with no say from the electorate). We had a front-pager here at RS who was a huge McCain promoter, and we were in the boat with him for the general.
2) This is a conservative and GOP web site. We support conservatives and conservative thought. If you haven’t picked up on that yet, then you are definitely a moby or a troll. If you’ve come here expecting the members here to have sympathy for leftist leanings, you’re on the wrong site.
3) I personally have been promoting the concept of accepting something less than 100% perfect conservatism. There is always room for a candidate to be wrong on a couple of items. The problem is when we get into the grey area of the continuum. I fronted a diary on this topic several months ago (much to the consternation of several of the more hard-core members here). So your whining about moderation is misplaced. The issue is not fealty to conservatism. It’s how far left a candidate leans before they are unacceptable. The most interesting debate along this line is the Maine twins. When they come up for re-election, we will support the most conservative candidate in the race. Frankly, if Susan Collins ran against Dede Scozzafava, I’d be donating money to Collins.

Coming in here and claiming that McCain did better than a conservative is just a patently stupid statement. No one knows what would have happened if a conservative had run. Your posts are getting more shrill and ridiculous as you go.

And by way of counterargument, I would offer that had McCain not chosen the unknown firebrand as his running mate he’d have gotten beaten by another 5%.

At the end of the day, no Republican wanted to win in ‘08. No one put up a fight in the primary and McCain ran off and hid in the general after he’d taken the lead. He refused to fight.

Bush won this district in ‘04. End of story.

but if it were accurate I would agree. ;^)