Liberal Fascism — Chapter 3


Chapter 3 of LIberal Fascism is the one I read over and over. I think it is a model of how Obama is going to operate and we should be mindful of it.

The raw acquisition of power requires multiple outside and inside groups to help maintain that power.

In Wilson’s case, it was rather eye opening. We certainly do think of all the progressive era ideals that Wilson helped advance up to and including the League of Nations.

What I don’t think people realize is that Wilson jailed more people for merely dissenting against government than Mussolini did in a decade. All the things the left accused George W. Bush of doing or contemplating doing, Wilson, a Democrat, actually did.

It was deeply disturbing.

I also don’t think, in review of Goldberg’s material, that he is stretching to say Wilson was a fascist dictator whose only real restraint was his collapse in health. Back then we didn’t have limits on the Presidency, so he could have run for a third term had he been healthy.

Throughout Jonah’s book and really in Chapter 3, we are reminded that liberals have no long view of history. They demand an honest and full accounting of the right’s history, while willfully ignoring their own.

Next week, we’re into Chapter 4. Remember, use “Book notes” as your tag and we can track each other. Also, I’ll see about firing up our RedState Facebook Group for further discussion.

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This was the most eye opening chapter...

kyle8 Monday, November 2nd at 6:19PM EST (link)

I have enough semester hours in history to get a second degree and I studied the progressive era in two classes. Nevertheless, there were things in this chapter that I did not know. I knew a little about the first red scare and how some communists and Marcus Garvey were deported, but I never knew the full extent of the jailing of dissenters.

It almost makes me feel a little better about the anarchists who were around at that time. EVERY COLLEGE student should be required to read this book. But of course, that will never happen.

“Nothing works like freedom, Nothing succeeds like liberty”
Kyle

Does this mean I'll feel like I'm back in school? nt

Flagstaff Monday, November 2nd at 6:21PM EST (link)

Pluto, the Ninth Planet - Forever!

it's ok

kyle8 Monday, November 2nd at 6:35PM EST (link)

I grade on a curve. And after class there is a keg party!

“Nothing works like freedom, Nothing succeeds like liberty”
Kyle

 
 
 

OK, I give up.

Flagstaff Monday, November 2nd at 6:19PM EST (link)

I was ready to start on The DaVinci Code, but I’ll get into Liberal Fascism instead.

I needed the nudge, anyway.

Pluto, the Ninth Planet - Forever!

Personally I was so bored with The DVC

redneck_hippie Monday, November 2nd at 6:39PM EST (link)

I didn’t get past the first couple of pages.

Liberal Fascism is 100 times more interesting.

“We must not lose our faculty to dare, especially in dark days.” - Churchill in March, 1942.

Remember NY-23.

Good to know.

Flagstaff Tuesday, November 3rd at 2:12PM EST (link)

Thanks.

Pluto, the Ninth Planet - Forever!

 
 
 

The NSA a $1.5B Computer System and a MARK

livingfortruth Monday, November 2nd at 6:41PM EST (link)

With the fed taking over smaller (competition) banks, and their claiming paper being counterfieted, and the need to track everyone, it comes as no suprise they are now building the facility to house the computer to do so. Don’t believe the “cyber warfare” aspect. They can harden the system they have now.

http://livingfortruth.wordpress.com/2009/10/30/prophecy-on-the-coming-mark/

I love my God, my wife and family, my country, and conservatism and FREEDOM.

 

A Question I had

Joe_Cor Monday, November 2nd at 7:08PM EST (link)

was how Wilson’s agenda got rolled back after WWI. Was Wilson just too incapacitated because of his health breakdown? Was it due to less hegemony in the print media back then? Did Republicans have backbones? The how and why would be very interesting, and potentially useful, to know.

There was a deflation in the agenda once he got sick...

MacAoidh Monday, November 2nd at 8:19PM EST (link)

…but most of Wilson’s agenda was rolled back VERY sharply after the 1920 election when Warren Harding - who ran on a “return to normalcy” - met a severe economic depression with a tax cut and a 30 percent reduction in government spending.

By August of 1921, the depression was over and the American economy entered into a decade of staggering economic growth as described by libertarian historian Thomas Woods.

 
 

Another entry on Chapter Three...

MacAoidh Monday, November 2nd at 8:09PM EST (link)

…can be found here.

 

One has to be careful about referencing liberal facism

Tbone Monday, November 2nd at 8:17PM EST (link)

around here.

http://www.redstate.com/dan_perrin/2009/10/30/every-republican-senator-signs-ltr-to-reid-wheres-the-bill-whys-its-text-secret/#comment-2121

Unless, of course, you believe facism is not a form of totalitarianism democracy.

Envisioning when all that is Left is the Right.

Today Michele Bachmann

redneck_hippie Monday, November 2nd at 8:30PM EST (link)

said the government currently controls 30% of the private sector economy, and that with passage of Obamacare would control 48%. So we’ll be only 48% socialist. Perhaps Obama won’t get us all the way. But what will the leftists elect next time? Just because Obama is too weak to consolidate all power to himself, doesn’t mean someone who comes along later won’t try.

“We must not lose our faculty to dare, especially in dark days.” - Churchill in March, 1942.

Remember NY-23.

 
 

Great Minds Think Alike?

liddleun Monday, November 2nd at 8:49PM EST (link)

“The war…made possible for us the solution of a whole series of problems that could never have been solved in normal times.”
Adolf Hitler

“….never let a good crisis go to waste…”
Rahm Emanuel

 

The Progressive Era

Butifarra Tuesday, November 3rd at 6:55AM EST (link)

The last chapter in Crichton’s “State of Fear” also mentions the Progressive era and the incredible naivete demonstrated by the elite in following the Wilson model and eugenics.

It seems that it’s always the *educated* elites who succumb to the political pressures of the time. For a good example read the chapter on the Kennedy era in “Liberal Fascism.”

 

I recommend others as well, Erick

vassar Tuesday, November 3rd at 7:53AM EST (link)

(By the way, it’s nice to see a site that works from the G3 side of politics vs G2. Most conservative blogs are narcissistic. Yours is filled with knuckles bared.- Cheers)
We (Sands Institute) that “Nazi Seizure of Power” (revised edition) by William Allen to be invaluable, as it details how other competing groups stood by. The early days, before power was won is VG, as is calculating the speed at which they hit the ground running once AH got the Chancellorship. You’ll also like “The 12 Year Reich” by Grunberger.
Not that I’m going on about Nazis, but this takeover is fascist, not communist, in nature…to date. Only when things break down completely is there communism. There has to be ashed with communism.
You might also enjoy our (my) little chapter on “The Mother of All Liberalism” (a definition of why liberals are liberals) at Least Men Standing (vbushmillsblog.townhall.com)
Vassar

Another excellent treatment of the

Warrior Tuesday, November 3rd at 2:44PM EST (link)

socio-political antecedents to the Third Reich is found in Karl Schleunes’ “The Twisted Road to Auschwitz”.

“Attorney General Holder’s decision to re-open the criminal investigation creates an atmosphere of continuous jeopardy for those whose cases the Department of Justice had previously declined to prosecute.”
—–signed by former [CIA] directors Michael Hayden, Porter Goss, George Tenet, John Deutch, R. James Woolsey, William Webster and James R. Schlesinger.

Read http://www.redstate.com/warrior/ for insightful commentary on today’s events…

 
 

My copy is still with a friend, so I'm not sure if it is

The_Gadfly Tuesday, November 3rd at 10:58AM EST (link)

in this chapter or another in which Goldberg makes a strong case that the current healthcare mess is the result of precisely these fascist policies. With the government controlling all the wage rates, the only means of competing for workers was “benefits” so some companies started paying for healthcare as a means of effectively raising wages.

This stuff isn’t just useful to eggheads, it has actual consequences.

We’ve been called racists enough now that it shouldn’t bother us any more.

-AChance, http://www.redstate.com/moe_lane/2009/11/03/what-men-may-do-we-have-done/#comment-24463

If NY23 was a beat down for Conservatives, what do you call what happened to Progressives in NJ and VA?

inspired by ColdWarrior, http://www.redstate.com/hooah_mac/2009/11/04/ny-23-the-agony-of-defeat-not-so-much/#comment-156

 

"Wilson jailed more people for merely dissenting..."

Warrior Tuesday, November 3rd at 3:10PM EST (link)

Apprx 175,000 according to Goldberg.

And the notion that the Libs are never accountable for their voluminous failures has stuck in my craw for quite some time. As I mentioned in my RS diary on Chapter Three:

“And as liberal academic historians airbrush the past, such shenanigans as these [Sedition Act, the Palmer Raids, the arrests, etc.] are always put down as failures of America in general - no particular ideology is discussed. Whereas, any alleged “conservative” failure is attributed directly and unequivocally to them and is considered proof positive that any future power in the hands of conservatives will also result in disaster res ipsa loquitur. Such is the power of revisionist history…” [for more see http://www.redstate.com/warrior/ ]

Also, Thomas Sowell, in “The Vision of the Annointed”, does an excellent job of cataloguing, in highly readable fashion, the multitudinous and devastating miscalculations (for the country anyway) of the Lib Dems from the middle of the last century to the book’s publishing date.

“Attorney General Holder’s decision to re-open the criminal investigation creates an atmosphere of continuous jeopardy for those whose cases the Department of Justice had previously declined to prosecute.”
—–signed by former [CIA] directors Michael Hayden, Porter Goss, George Tenet, John Deutch, R. James Woolsey, William Webster and James R. Schlesinger.

Read http://www.redstate.com/warrior/ for insightful commentary on today’s events…

 

REDEFINING: NATIONAL DEMOCRATS

reelman Tuesday, November 3rd at 4:05PM EST (link)

REDEFINING: NATIONAL DEMOCRATS
This is my unique approach to fighting the democrats…they are secular socialists, they vote that way…why use any names?

Just tell people you oppose secular socialism and its supporters.
Yes, I can explain those 2 words to and for anyone in simple terms. Why do we use terms the socialists want us to use?

I simply oppose secular socialism. If anyone votes or speaks that way…names are not needed, they are a distraction.
Bills, laws, movements and so on that continue the secular socialism should be opposed.
We are called a half dozen names but we should unite behind the term “secular socialism” and use it daily when attacking or defending.
When ANY issue arises…your 1st question should not be who or what Party or what cost…it should be..”does this promote secular socialism or reduce it”?

This terminology stuff is important and so is staying on offense.
Try saying ” I oppose secular socialism” to anyone versus any traditional response.

Without fail the person or persons will ask you what secular socialism is…then you go from there.
(Surely you know secular means against faith and family…and surely you know socialism means a huge high tax gov-meant running your life…
do you not?…then just say it).

Its way past time to JUST SAY IT.

http://conservablogs.com/theconservativecrawfish

“Ignore what is said, watch what is done”
The problem is congress…is congress…
Secular Socialism is never the answer…
“This is where we hold them, this is where we fight”
The “reelman” in central Louisiana

 

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