The Media Will Downplay His Religion, But God Help Us if His Car Had a Talk Radio Station On

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Leopard1996

Where Matthews is doing everything to link this to stress about going to Iraq and how evil the Iraq war is.

Matthew = POS

Raven

They have compared it in appearance to other terrorist attacks and actions carried out by seemingly normal professionals (the doctors in England, the Army Reservist trying to talk to Al Qaeda…).

Everyone else is suggesting it was PTSD.

Achance

He’s never heard a shot fired in anger. ‘Course he has had to listen to the stories of those returning vets at WR. Might have stressed him out.

Seriously, though, the American soldier ain’t PC and can be astoundingly bellicose. Being around them ain’t for those with delicate sensibilities. I know ’cause I have one.

SteveLA

Art,

I’m not going to defend this piece of human excrement in any way shape or form, but keep in mind that the people who treat sick people, especially with mental stress conditions like PTSD can also be effected by daily working with them. Family and friends of injured soldiers need treatment sometimes too by the way.

bobojake

If a person pulls out a gun when i’m in a crowd of people and starts shootin that is terrorist attack no matter what religion the person is. Guns are for shooting jackrabbits not people.

bk

The guy was at Walter Reed for six years, so the facility problems no doubt stressed him out, therefore blame Bush.

Of course he had a brief respite from his troubles when he accepted a promotion six months ago, but then relapsed when he was to be deployed.

bk

?We condemn this cowardly attack in the strongest terms possible and ask that the perpetrators be punished to the full extent of the law. No religious or political ideology could ever justify or excuse such wanton and indiscriminate violence. The attack was particularly heinous in that it targeted the all-volunteer army that protects our nation. American Muslims stand with our fellow citizens in offering both prayers for the victims and sincere condolences to the families of those killed or injured.?

JadedByPolitics

this guy is a TERRORIST! He killed American soldiers who he lived and worked with he is nothing more then an ANIMAL and if he wasn’t dead I would want those family members who have lost LOVED one to kill him!

johnt

when there’s Republicans and Christians to go after,
The media knows who the real enemies are. You can’t fool these intellectuals.

skey

This was not a terrorist act. It was an act of war. There is a difference.

Raven

But if you look it up, you’ll find not a single case of a shrink getting violent because of the mental stress of treating his patients.

No. This man turned to terrorism because he believed his religion demanded it of him. What the particular trigger was…
Well, I hope Fox, at least, will let us know if it turns out this man was contacted by Al Qaeda or some other organization and given a mission.

Raven

Because, I for one, don’t believe it.

http://erickbrockway.wordpress.com/ Erick Brockway

Hmmm, Kleinheider. I think there was a confidant of Hitler by that name, rather high up in the Nazi party.
Different person entirely, but ?interesting nonetheless?.

Unbelievable.

Raven

Nor was he in the uniform or serving under the flag of a foreign power, whether it be a National power or extra-national power.

He was in US uniform when he attacked the USA. That makes him a traitor and a terrorist.

DONTTREADONME

The man was a muslim so this is islamic extremism, the media has started writing excuses so can I. My brother-in-law is suffering from PTSD to a small degree, but he would never ever kill his brother in arms. I will ask of few Marines on base tomorrow what they think about this, let’s see if they agree with the MSM take, I have a feeling they will say this guy was a traitor/terrorist and deserves a firing squad.

billyd

There is no doubt this was a terrorist act. The man targeted a deployment center. He was trying to kill as many soldiers set deploy to iraq and afganistan as possible. The reports say he yelled something in Arabic as he shot. Can you possibly believe that a man suffering from PTSD (Who had never actually been in combat) would target a deployment center? Or is it more logical to think that a muslim, bent on killing infadels, would target those about to deploy to a muslim land?

http://davesnotepad.blogspot.com/ Dave

How many more times will this happen before something is done to stop it?

-Dave

newsjunkie585

When your first response to the tragic murder of 12 Americans is to try to turn it into a political issue, something is seriously wrong with your moral compass. To speculate, without any basis, that Hasan’s religion was responsible for his despicable behavior, especially in light of the evidence that he was motivated by his impending deployment, is even lower.

My prayers are with the victims of this attack and their families.

Achance

Waaay too many ‘Nam vets used their service as an excuse to smoke dope for the rest of their lives and have other people support them. Most of them are more than able to do anything they have to do, but if they don’t have to do somehting, they’ll let you do it and pay for it.

I spent some time working in a mental institution back when they were the “One Flew Over the Cuckoo’s Nest” model. I have a fair collection of scars, the physical kind, from that year. I also worked for a while in an institution for the profoundly retarded. It makes you very cynical, the “kids” become furniture, and there’s a lot of breakroom conversation about euthanasia, but you don’t go out and kill people over it.

BooBooKitty

these folks that were shot and murdered routinely displayed “offensive” insignia on their sleeves and generally asked for it bacause of their career calling. No tragedy here… nothing compared to the loss of a doctor as blameless as the infants he routinely destroyed.

Yeah it’s a hammy comment- but unfortunately true because of biased blatancy of our agenda driven press.

SteveLA

Shibboleths or something in mind? Religious tests and restrictions as part of the enlistment process?

I’ll assume that you are overwrought by today’s events and aren’t serious.

DONTTREADONME

to assume that we do not feel sympathy and outrage for what has happened tells me you have no idea who you are talking to. Next time, shove it.

Achance

SteveLA

Art,

Oh wait, this was not a comment on your recent past history…never mind….:)

bk

http://www.cair.com/ArticleDetails.aspx?ArticleID=26126&&name=n&&currPage=1

Achance

and orderly than the Legislature. The Looney Bin, like prison, is pretty predictable. I got hurt a few times but it was always with somebody new in withdrawals or DTs; we had that needle full of Thorazine handy at all times. You get scared when you stick 1200 mg of Thorazine in a 110 pound junkie and it doesn’t even slow him down! But, it was a way to pay tuition and homework helped you stay awake on graveyard. Remember, I’m old enough to be acquainted with archaic concepts like working your way through college.

Raven

Or am I expecting too much of you?

http://davesnotepad.blogspot.com/ Dave

…I keep hearing about taking to the streets in mass protest of what their more “radical” brethren are doing, I might have a change of heart, but as I see it, their deafening silence screams duplicity.

Their loyalties are clearly divided, and as such, they have no place in the U.S. Military.

At some point the American people are going to come to this realization – I just hope it won’t take a sabotaged submarine hitting the bottom for it to happen.

-Dave

Raven

Or if maybe it’s a continuance of the spanking Michael Savage gave them in court…

Raven

He was shot and killed by the police.

SteveLA

Dave,

I’ve been known to read things wrong, that happens, but I’ve got a bit of a problem with your casting of stones at all people of the Islamic faith, if I’m reading you right.

If you mean Islamic extremists, that’s a horse of another color.

Jack_Savage

Why do the Boy Scouts ban gays? Because the welfare of the boys in their charge require it. Obviously, not all, or even a majority of gays get into the man-boy love thing, but one would be one too many.

I don’t know exactly how you can do it, but too many of our troops have been killed by their muslim brothers-in-arms to ignore it any longer.

Fla Mom

I knew Nidal Hasan professionally. He was obsessed with being Muslim (and not just in a devout-practitioner-of-a-religion way) and was making comments similar to those reported on Fox by COL (Ret) Terry Lee as of a few years ago when I knew him. It became clear that he thought we, the U.S., were the aggressors in Iraq and Afghanistan, and that he wasn’t really on our side. IMHO, he realized he wasn’t going to get out of his pending deployment and decided to take as many of our side out as he could rather than support our side on Muslim soil.

Fla Mom

Jack_Savage

Yeah, I’m racking my brain thinking of why we would jump to this conclusion.

http://www.bloggybayou.com muckraker

Aslo, he got his education, including medical school and residency, all on the Army coin.

Even Fox is afraid to pointout the obvious….

Lessons need to be learned, but I’m afraid our social engineering occuring in the military will prevent the proper lesson.

NEWS BREAK: HE IS ALIVE!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

Raven

Oh, yeah, he was Muslim and claimed his religion as the reason for his actions.

And the Reservist who contacted Al Qaeda to see what he could do to help them in ’04?
Yep. He was Muslim, too, and also claimed his religion as the reason for his actions.

And the guys who had planned to attack Fort Dix in ’07?
Yep. All 6 of them were Muslims and claimed their religion as the reason for their actions…

How many more events before you figure it out newsjunkie? And those are just the religiously motivated attacks against US Soldiers inside the USA. It doesn’t include the attacks on civilians. How long till you figure it out?

http://www.the41stvote.org rcov092

His cousin said on TV he was getting “harrassed”, no doubt by the evil infidels about his religion. He has been posting on blogs and engaged in confrontations on the base intimating he had a real problem going to fight against brother muslims.

His cousin said he had been trying to get out, had hired a lawyer to get released from the military. Given the circumstances preceeding today and today’s horrific results, I ma not so sure we should not have let him resign for the “good of the service” and of today’s victims.

Hmmm lets see, I am sure the media will paint him as a “conscientious objector” harrased by the evul, infidel military he joined to “serve”. Sorry, joining the military to serve implicitly and explicitly means you may be required to kill people and break things and not people and things of your choosing.

DONTTREADONME

I wish we could get you on FNC to do a background story, but if your in the business I am in, then privacy is the best practice.

SteveLA

Jack

A posting with gays and Muslims in one thought.

Wowser…deep breaths…wowser.

Raven

They mentioned his religion and the similarity to other attacks. It’s pretty clear that Fox thinks this is terrorism.

Jack_Savage

Or did you work together with him? If he was making comments like that to you, clearly he had no business being in the military. Looks like the PC’ers have completely hijacked the lone holdout organization – the US Armed Forces.

Jack_Savage

And I was going to try and explain it, but I’ll save us both some time.

Raven

As these events pile up, more and more people are left wondering where the outcry against them from the “peace-loving Muslims” of the world are. Especially among those in countries that are safe for them to make such an outcry (here and Australia, for instance).

There are Far too few Muslims speaking up. Far too few.

Aaron Gardner

It may be overdone to some extent, but my father was one of those ‘Nam vets and I personally saw him go through mental hell on more than one occasion. He had night terrors for most of my childhood. One time he woke up in the middle of the night choking my mother thinking she was the enemy.

Watching a good friend catch a mortar round from ten feet away can have a dramatic effect on a 19 year old.

That said, my father wasn’t some non-functional leech on society looking to coast after Vietnam. He came home, went to college and became a mechanical engineer, working for companies like Motorola, Hughes and Boeing.

I understand the context in which you were making that statement, but I could not let it pass, lest I dishonor the memory of my father.

I hope you understand.

DONTTREADONME

our military, is naive at best; however, finding out who they are is too difficult short of waiting for incidents like today to happen.

cump

He is wounded, but alive, and is being guarded.

Swamp_Yankee

… anyone down.

billyd

I guess you didn’t read my post, or you projected your own emphasis onto it.

As you said in your post… it was a terrorist act. Placing blame on PTSD because of what he heard as a shrink, and then killing people would have set a precedent. Perhaps you’ll follow your own advice next time.

DONTTREADONME

http://www.the41stvote.org rcov092

all he was doing was implementing the exhortations of the Koran to kill the infidels. The press here will be in overdrive constructing the “Allah made him do it to stop the evul neocons from killing his innocent brothers” template for the lawyers.

They will probably start pointinf to this as the perfect example of why “Sharia” law would be appropriate in framing the judgment and punishment for this heinous act.

SteveLA

Jack

My apologies if I misunderstood your comment.

Fla Mom

Just goes against my grain, somehow, and others are starting to do it anyway.

Fla Mom

In a setting I’d rather not specify, but I was not alone in thinking he should not be in a uniform. However, PC makes things very difficult, especially when the person in question claims discrimination at every turn.

http://davesnotepad.blogspot.com/ Dave

…political movement that was founded by a hypocritical, murdering pedophile, who had one set of rules for himself, and another set of rules for everyone else.

“Islam” has been at war with the civilized world for 14 centuries, and has as its stated goal either taxing (the Jizya), converting, or killing every non-Muslim on planet Earth.

That includes you.

It’s followers are by-and-large illiterate, who treat their women as little better than cattle, and have no respect for human life, and that includes the lives of other Muslims.

These barbaric, cowardly people routinely employ the use of young children in carrying out their Jihad against the civilized world. There are those who think that strapping bombs onto young children and sending them into crowded places to blow up themselves and innocent people is somehow admirable.

I am not among those so enamored.

The above is not mere fantasy on my part, but statements of fact, as I have read more Islamic history by accident that 99% of the people in this country have read on purpose.

Sorry, but the truth has a way of being insensitive.

If you need a moderator to run in here and protect you from same, perhaps you should hang out at DKos or DU.

-Dave

http://www.the41stvote.org rcov092

serving time for training and helping plan Al Queda operations. They did a special on him on NPR. I cannot remember his name and did a search but turned up nothing. Does anyone ut there recall his name? As I recall he held some very sensitive security positions with the Marine Corp or the Army

gonzo55

The worst part about this is that it’s inevitably going to trigger a new round of calls for gun control from the lunatic left, who think the Constitution and the 2nd amendment only apply when convenient.

SteveLA

Jaded

Before you go a lot further, the last Blue on Blue shooting in Iraq that I recall was Sgt. Joseph Bozicevich, and he was not a Muslim.

The fact that this animal in this shooting was a Muslim is a fact, nobody can change that fact, but I draw no conclusions from that fact any more than I draw conclusions from a member of any other faith that commits a horrible crime.

Raven

You came across as disagreeing with me based on the title of my comment rather than on the body of it.

But I will apologize for the attack. Just make sure your write what you mean next time.

http://www.the41stvote.org rcov092

n/t

Jack_Savage

Sometimes entire groups of people are eliminated from positions within an organization because of legitimate concerns that may apply only to a very, very, very small minority of the members of that group – thus the example. I would say that at this point in time, taking into consideration all that has happened since 2001, having muslims in the armed forces has become a legitimate concern.

DONTTREADONME

if I was in your position, I definitely would not have either.

Jack_Savage

We’ll need to research…

Raven

But he better hope civilian authorities have ahold of him for that part…

THEN we can shoot him. After we stock the firing squad with the worst marksmen on post.

Raven

Call for more gun control, that is. That’ll go over like a lead balloon.
We’re Really going to enforce gun controls on military installations. Riiiight…

Jack_Savage

You are being too general in your statement. Everything you say applies to Islamic extremists, but not to all Muslims. One of, if not the the finest contributor on RedState, Martin Knight, is a Muslim, and he no more exhibits the characteristics you list than you or I do.

The simple fact is that any set of beliefs can be used to justify any action on the part of the extremist.

Jack_Savage

Sounds like some people will have some explaining to do very, very soon.

Raven

The ones where one serviceman has a Personal grudge against the specific person he attacked and the ones motivated by the Koran.

Care to point out the personal grudges this soldier had against those 43 people?

billyd

and not leave any possible misunderstanding, But i did mean what i wrote. What is more logical? To believe that PTSD was the reason (even though he never deployed, and a shrink had never struck out in violence due to his patients problems) or that a muslim targeted a deployment center simply to kill those going to his percieved holy land? I think the entire string backs up the second premise.

DONTTREADONME

the incident in which you speak was a direct action towards to specific people, today’s incident was act of treason. I will let the true facts that will come out speak for themselves, because at the end of the day this guy killed for the reasons that we have speculated.

SteveLA

Jack

I’m sorry, I disagree. I saw this sort of thinking with Asian Americans after some high profile espionage cases and it was not a good thing in that community ether. Matter of fact it was down right corrosive to the functioning of some of our government agencies.

There are millions of loyal and patriotic Muslims in this country and in our Armed Forces, I just can’t accept the concept that they are not just that, loyal and patriotic people who have a different belief system, simple as that. Guess we’ll just have to disagree.

Fla Mom

than a live one; that’s not a very comfortable thought. At least he’ll get a court martial and presumably a very long sentence, if not a death sentence.

Fla Mom

SteveLA

DRM

I’ve heard reports that this animal targeted specific people, but I missed some of the latest reports.

After the facts come out, maybe you will be proved right, now I don’t think we know the all facts.

gonzo55

to these treehuggers.

SteveLA

Civilian whack job who was a prison converter to Islam attacked and killed a USA recruiter in Little Rock Ark.

Raven

I am afraid that I can only see Martin Knight as the exception that proves the historical rule.

Don’t get me wrong, I recognize that there are others. But they are such a tiny minority of the people that claims Islam as to make attempts to characterize that religion based on them laughable.

No, we have a handful like Martin Knight vs 1400 years of history, the words and deeds of Every Muslim leader in the world today, the words and deeds of Mohammed himself, the Koran and the silence of the vast majority of Muslims.
It is quite lopsided.

Raven

Then your post would have made plenty of sense. By responding to My post and wording it the way you did, you made it appear to be an argument with me, especially considering the first line, the comment title, of my post. Do you understand that?

DONTTREADONME

in Quantico MCB that is not Ft Hood.

Raven

to the majority of Americans who support the American Soldier.

Raven

I’ll bet it won’t have calmed down by next week when I’m in Alaska, either. Elmendorf and Fort Rich will be real bears…

DONTTREADONME

these incidents are terrorist/enemy acts, when one base has an incident like this though isolated all other bases change to a higher state of awareness and defense. This event acts like an act of war or terrorism, especially when you see the reaction of the bases to these incidents. Tomorrow, will feel completely different on base, and everyone will be walking around as if war has broke out.

http://davesnotepad.blogspot.com/ Dave

I understand your sentiment, and I apologize if I offended anyone’s sensibilities, but I lost two business associates who worked for the Port Authority of New York, and who were killed on Sept. 11th.

I also have a friend who is himself a former Muslim, but left when the Mosque he attended here in Atlanta began passing out hate literature in early 2003.

Perhaps my perception has been somewhat tainted by the above, but I don’t think by much.

As I stated further up the thread, I might change my view if and when I see Islam’s “peaceful” members out protesting rather loudly, as I would do if those who claimed to be followers of Christ were doing similar things.

Their silence (and I realize there are a few exceptions here) suggests to me that they, as a whole, aren’t all that upset over what is happening.

That needs to change, and soon, as I sense the tolerance towards this lunacy on the part of the American people is approaching its end.

BTW: Buddhism and Christianity both have their violent pasts, but both eventually matured. Even after 14 centuries, Islam has been unable to.

Why?

-Dave

billyd

I do understand that. But i wasn’t trying to argue with you. I was backing up your post. Solidifying your argument with the fact that the man walked into a deployment center in an attempt to kill soldiers heading to Iraq and Afganistan.

SteveLA

DRM

At least C, so have your documents ready when you hit the gate….

Jack_Savage

“I also have a friend who is himself a former Muslim, but left when the Mosque he attended here in Atlanta began passing out hate literature in early 2003.”

Good for him. I too am disturbed by the collective silence of moderate Muslims, and don’t understand why they are not more vocal. Maybe it is the same reason that people who live in gang – infested neighborhoods aren’t down at the police station giving them tips all day long – their lives depend on accomodation.

At any rate, I agree that the tolerance of the American people is reaching its end. It seems more and more that Muslims are Muslims first and anything else, including Americans, second. Were it not for Martin Knight, I confess that I would hold most of the same opinions that you do. There is a body of evidence that just won’t let me look past it…

billyd

I don’t think you can really say he targeted specific people. he shot 41 different people, and killed 12. Would be one heck of a coincedence if he managed to get that many people he targeted into the same place at the same time.
Odds are… This guy was a muslim who got caught up in the fanatical teachings of the Koran, and wanted to be a martyr. So he loaded up his guns, and went to kill as many of the people set to deploy to Iraq and Afganistan as possible.
The MSM will try to play the PTSD angle until they’re called out on it. The guy never deployed, and no shrink has ever lashed out in a violent fashion because of what they heard their patients say.
What i would like to know is… If this guy was posting anti-american and anti-military sentiments on the net, and the FBI felt a need to monitor him, why was he still in the military? And why did he have access to weapons on a military base?

avgamerican

is that the same public who voted President Obama into office will accept the media’s version and influence of the event.

Jack_Savage

“There are millions of loyal and patriotic Muslims in this country and in our Armed Forces, I just can?t accept the concept that they are not just that, loyal and patriotic people who have a different belief system, simple as that.”

I think you are probably right. If so, they need to do something – what I don’t know, but something – to convince me and millions of others that they are indeed loyal and patriotic. I am not saying this because I require it personally, I am saying it because the reservoir of tolerance for Muslims is just about dry in America.

You are exactly right – this incident is going to further corrode everything that is required for our armed forces to function properly. If I were serving, being a normal human being, I really doubt I would be able to look at a Muslim fellow soldier the same way again. That in and of itself may be reason enough to visit this awful question, but I will defer to those who serve to do so.

SteveLA

billyd

As I said up thread, don’t know means don’t know, but I tend to think that the truth will come out from the DOD investigation team.

On top of that, now that we know this animal is alive there is going to be a trial, and the Armed Forces, actually the UCMJ, still has the death penalty and a ARMY court martial will decide the matter. I know what I hope the court martial will decide and the folks at Ft. Leavenworth can carry out the sentence.

JoeG

This ending in anything other than an execution fairly soon.

Justin_Case

Please don’t fall victim to stereotypes of Vietnam veterans.

http://www.theadmonition.com Shannon Bell

http://www.theadmonition.com/?p=1921#comments

It’s a shame jackasses always have to invoke Tim McVeigh into situations like these.

Our PC society strikes again.

Justin_Case

who are 100% disabled due to PTSD. My former CO is one of them. After not seeing each other for 30 years we visit about once a year. I’m astonished at how much he does not recall about our common experience.

An online vet friend of mine once remarked, after a school shooting in his hometown, that the students immediately received on-the-scene counseling to help them deal with trauma. He contrasted that with the indifference those of us received after returning home from Vietnam.

I don’t doubt that your dad had every day struggles. Those of us who were there, and our loved ones, know exactly what you refer to.

nilram

It was hell getting off Ft. Hood tonight. IThey were searching all cars leaving post. I live on post ant thought this wouldn’t be a problem. I was wrong. I got stuck in the traffic headed to the gate. It took me 2 hours to travel about half a mile. Of course I found this very frustrating after being stuck at my Company for 4 hours.

I suspect the 100% vehicle search will continue for the foreseable future so tomorrow will be bad. I think.

JSobieski

There is an ideology that we are at war with. The fact that it claims to be a religion, and cloaks itself as a religion, does not require us to commit suicide.

If the Soviets created a religion out of Stalinism, it would still be Stalinism.

JSobieski

a US serviceman killed a bunch of his fellow soldiers with a hand gernade.

And yes, the killer in question did subscribe to the “Religion of Peace”

archer52

I can tell you from experience, the FBI is political. It worries more about itself than anything else. As good as some of their agents are, the vast majority are career minded demi-politicians who will not jeopardize their chances of promotion and retirement.

I heard the shooting was deemed not a terrorist act almost immediately by the FBI. Defined how exactly? Do you have to blow up a building with a van, or fly planes into something to qualify?

I spent almost twenty years on the job and found the feds to be nice guys for the most part but not that swift as far as catching bad guys. It wasn’t really their job. 9/11 changed that for many of them at the street level, but their bosses are still the same.

For years after 9/11 the Bush administration did their best to not highlight the Muslim angle on violent crimes. Instead, they demanded a high threshold concerning what qualified as “a terrorist act”. They would emphasize the good catches they made before an attack could be carried out, but downplayed the ones they missed (the D.C. sniper shootings for one).

There have been a number of attacks, usually involving a singular individual, against people in this nation in the name of Islam. The reason the government looks the other way is, of course, political. In their defense, they realize the HUGE problem they would face if it was admitted the attacks were committed by “Muslims.” The mistrust we have now would be multiplied ten-fold. Revenge attacks could occur and that would only cause more problems. This is probably a goal of the terrorists, and a reason why we shouldn’t allow it to happen.

However, that said, we should not turn a blind eye here. If you will notice, we aren’t being shot up by Episcopalians, or Jews, or Baptists. The shooters are Muslims. The hard fact is we are allowing the breeding of radicals in our own nation and we protect that act with our sense of free speech. It wouldn’t be so hard to take, if free speech was actually free. However, today we face an administration which thinks it can tell us when to speak and when to stay silent. Pelosi wanted to stop the protesters from showing up today in D.C. The radical democrats want to silence talk radio and monitor what we can and cannot say to each other over the Internet. At the same time, radical clerics are teaching prisoners in jail that the “white devil must die” and do it without restraint or comment from this government. It is truly a “Huh?” moment, but shows the depths our dysfunctional society has sunk.

If we don’t get a handle on this low level act of terrorism we are witnessing, we could end up suffering a death from a thousand cuts. Or, maybe we’ll wake up again when some mall somewhere is attacked and hundreds of innocents are murdered. Hopefully, then the FBI will get out their checklist and run down the qualifications and come to the conclusion, that we are in fact still at war.

Tom Clancy wrote a novel about this type of terrorism- Teeth of the Tiger. Somebody should listen to him.

snowshooze

One sorry point, and I mean no disrespect..
What are out armed servicemen doing walking around unarmed?
I do not carry…mostly because I don’t feel like packing around an anchor in my pocket. But I wish at this point that every citizen and armed forces employee had been gunned up to the teeth.
So much loos could have been spared, and I do apologize, hindsight is 20/20 but there it is.
There is no good to be had in this incident. None.
I would encourage all our military personnel to carry firearms at all times, not as a requirement, but to underline the principle, of defending against all threats, foreign and domestic.
My condolences to all.
Alaska Mark

proudmarinemom

My son (a somewhat remiss Catholic) has a close friend who speaks Arabic and is a (somewhat remiss) Muslim. He is a good Marine and was indispensible to his unit on two deployments to Iraq. I hope he will not be indicted for the actions of this deranged terrorist. (And yes, this Hasan IS a “terrorist” by definition — not necessarily internationally sponsored, but he did terrorize a group of people — a whole nation — today.)

But please recognize this event for what it is: the heinous act of a mentally ill individual. Few Muslims will condone this act.

Flagstaff

By then, the news reports might have some chance of being accurate.

martellus

The liberals will be shouting his religion from the rooftops. Watch what happens they will portray him as the victim. They will say that “white Christian fundamentalists” made his life so miserable that they pushed him over the edge.

His cousin started that tonight. It is be the beginning of his insanity defense.

http://www.ssce.net/Web-Articles/Web-articles-indexed-authors.html#authors-l JLenardDetroit

so were these (DOCTOR) clowns that finally decided the prefered to aid the other side:

hickorystick

how the services and intelligence could operate without the co-operation of arabic speakers. Although their has been a sporadic pattern of individuals and small groups acting out, it would be a mistake to attack the group of Muslims as a whole. Both with the guy who through a grenade into a tent early in the Iraq war, and this terrorist, they were speaking out angrily and irrationally before committing the act. The people in authourity seem afraid to act for fear of retribution (political correctness). It’s time that individuals start to confront these Men when they see bizarre behavior and ask pointed questions as to why their behaving this way. I read a book years ago called “Caring Enough to Confront” that had a lot of good tips. the “Report it to authorities and leave it alone” approach is not working. The people in charge are too worried about their jobs

http://www.redstate.com/tnjim TNJim

Hooah_Mac

No personal weapons. and the only time you see live rounds is at the range or overseas.

builder20

I remember that an Army Ranger, who was a Muslim, threw a grenade into his commanding officers tent.

Does anyone remember this? I have tried to find info on it to do a compare, contrast with Hasan, but have been unable to do so. Am I mistaken, or did an Army Ranger throw a grenade in his commanding officers tent?

http://www.gopmom.com GOPMOM

I know it is a comment on me, but from the first report all I could think was “How will Obama use this”, “How will the Left use this”?

CJB68

While discussing this situation while it was unfolding, my dad mentioned something he had read or heard about previously. Apparently, some documents must’ve been uncovered during a raid on a terrorist camp stating how they could infiltrate military posts and wait for the opportunity to strike there without raising any suspicions of their true motives. This must’ve brought that back up.

Unfortunately, our mass media probably won’t be willing to actually investigate this to find out the truth, while dozens (and likely hundreds) of us are being lined up with targets on our backs in preparation for the next terror strike. Political Correctness has made it so that we can’t do anything about the true existential threat to our culture and lives: radical Islam and the political factions which drive it towards a goal of world domination by terror.

dudette

AND they kept their firearms with them.

dudette

–i definitely remember that.wish i could call up details.and whatever happened to that guy? Did he get executed or what?

treeofliberty

It’s all about NY 23 and war in Iraq with regards to this issue.

Nothing about Obama’s trips to New Jersey, a hard blue state turns red, landslide in VA nothing.

I’m sure Olbermann and Maddow will use this opportunity for yet another Bush bashing segment on the “horrors of war” causing US soldiers to do things like this. Matthews is just a big mouth POS who does what he’s told.

6eorge Jetson

Millions of dead Saddam victims

The_Gadfly

the families of those killed and injured, all of the men and women stationed at Ft. Hood and their families as well.

The_Gadfly

I was dvr skipping through the Fox news update (went down to watch Beck at 5:30, rewound an hour then surfed forward looking for hard facts) and they one of Hasan’s relatives on. He was adamant about how his parents were Americans, he was born in Virginia, etc., etc., and how taken aback the family was when they heard about the shooting. Meanwhile Fox was emphasizing the FBI was saying there were no terrorist connections to the incident. They too were spending a fair chunk of time on PTSD, although at least some of their commentators were stating his actions were inconsistent with PTSD behavior..

But if, as other posters have indicated, he was yelling in Arabic as he was shooting people, this is a terrorist incident. He was described as acting deliberately. He chose an enclosed environment where soldiers scheduled for deployment would be unarmed. He might not have had orders from Al Queda or any of their related splinter groups, but that isn’t necessary for this to be a case of terrorism in support of global jihad.

According to the reports I saw, he was also vocally speaking against US troop deployments in Iraq and Afghanistan and saying Muslims should attack the invaders. Given those reports I don’t understand why he was stationed at Ft. Hood. But one thing that I do understand is that until we get a grip on the fact that whether we like it or not this is a religious war because a particular religious sect* has made it one, and that we must therefore act accordingly. Otherwise we can’t win because we aren’t even fighting the right war.

*The size of the sect may be 0.1% of self-identified Muslims, and the other 99.9% may be peaceful, or it may be 50%, the only relevant point is the existence of at least one violent sect. And no, I don’t care if Muslims reject the word ‘sect’ either. It has a rather well defined meaning which is applicable as I have used it.

Fla Mom

but evil. The man is surrounded by psychiatrists and other mental health professionals all the time at work. Perhaps they had referred him for psychiatric treatment that we are unaware of, but I don’t think so. I know what I heard him say. He simply thinks we’re the enemy, and he has to be loyal to Islam and the Umma, and that his was a heroic act. To read the words of others who agree with him, see this link I found through Jihad Watch: http://forums.islamicawakening.com/politics-jihad-current-affairs/29979-many-9-killed-fort-hood-shootings-officials-say-2.html#post296132. I know many Muslims won’t condone the act, but I think not a small enough number will.

Fla Mom

The_Gadfly

For it to be an act of war he would have to be wearing the uniform of the enemy. Your choices are criminal act, terrorism, or treason, not necessarily mutually exclusive.

rivahmitch

but he should be made so forthwith and put in a coffin full of pig s__t. Unfortunately, since he’s still alive, our pro-muslim president and media will soon make him the victim.

The_Gadfly

have a duty to attack US troops in the region.

Marcus_Traianus

This may be dated, but the verifiable number of Muslims in the US was less than 2 million. Interestingly enough, they also make up about 20% of the US prison population, which brings the “loyalty” statement down to earth a bit more. Comparatively, that analogy is just as broad, in the opposite direction, as saying they are “all” disloyal terrorists.

Truth be told, as someone that barely survived the WTC I have more than enough reason to group Muslims into one neat pile and hate them all (and claim PTSD as an excuse, by the way). But then the terrorists perpetrating that heinous act would win, into perpetuity. And frankly, I never surrender- in any way. So I don’t and just loath anyone looking to perpetrate acts of terror against innocent people.

That said, like it or not, being a Muslim is indeed one risk factor to identifying a potential terrorist- especially in the military. That’s why tangos are also trying, in some cases, to covertly cover their religious affiliations/practices.

There is more than enough evidence to suggest this moron was not just Muslim, but also expressly made statements against the military, our country and our government. The real question is how was he able to remain in that position and accomplish promotions given all this background? Was it cultural sensitivity standing in the way of common sense? What did the CoC know and why wasn’t there some type of action taken? What will be done to prevent future incidents of a similar nature with the same warning signs? Certainly all questions I hope are answered in the coming days.

Overall, my heart and prayers go out to the families and those affected by this. It is hard enough being in a military family these days without having to worry about watching your back for this kind of trash in your own house.

Raven

In middle class, suburban neighborhoods in the USA? Really?
Don’t create excuses for them.

rivahmitch

There was nothing” indiscriminate” about it. He’s a muslim and he killed American soldiers in a DEPLOYMENT Center. Perhaps those soldiers would be better deployed to CAIR HQ in DC.

voxoreason

This morning they are reporting that this guy had been getting unfavorable performance reviews over time. It is being suggested that this is a problem that the system should have caught earlier on.

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Oscar Wilde: In this world there are only two tragedies. One is not getting what one wants, and the other is getting it.

http://conservablogs.com/theconservativecrawfish/ reelman

ISLAM ?CONVERT??MASS MURDERER
Tx. shooter has a moslem name?I am (not) shocked?Palestinian parents?wonder who his contacts (if any) were?
The Tx. shooter had a history of radical statements?I am (not) shocked?
he arrived at work in religious garb?he bravely shouted ?Allah? before shooting the unarmed.
(another case of the ?moslem radical elephant in the room? for months that nobody had the nerve to deal with in time?so people died)
His website viewing log and perhaps his mosque attendance speeches?may tell investigators interesting stuff?we shall see.
from The Houston Chronicle:
Hasan?s motives were unclear, and early on Thursday, he showed no signs of worry or stress when he stopped at 7-Eleven for his daily breakfast of hash browns, said Jeannie Strickland, the store?s manager.
?He came in (Thursday) morning just like normal,? she said. (WEARING RELIGIOUS GARB IS NORMAL for a a major going to work???)
However, surveillance video showed he was wearing religious attire rather than typical civilian or medical clothing.
Strickland said that was unusual and she asked him about it, but he replied that he did that sometimes.
(MAKES YOU WONDER?CAN NON-ISLAMISTS ALSO DO THAT???)
A few hours later, officials said, the Virginia native began his rampage on the post. Fort Hood, near Killeen.
Federal law enforcement officials told the Associated Press that Hasan had come to their attention at least six months ago because of Internet postings that discussed suicide bombings and other threats.
One of the Web posts that authorities reviewed is a blog that equates suicide bombers with a soldier throwing himself on a grenade to save the lives of his comrades.
?To say that this soldier committed suicide is inappropriate. Its more appropriate to say he is a brave hero that sacrificed his life for a more noble cause,? said the Internet posting. ?Scholars have paralled (sic) this to suicide bombers whose intention, by sacrificing their lives, is to help save Muslims by killing enemy soldiers.?
The officials say Hasan appeared to have made the postings, but they are still trying to confirm that he was the author. They say an official investigation was NOT opened. (AND THE REASON IS???)
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Will CAIR refute this mass murderer? What can we learn from this?
http://conservablogs.com/theconservativecrawfish

The_Gadfly

In an administration filled with Czars who are intent on turning the GWOT into multiple domestic criminal cases, I fully expect them to insist on a report that says exactly that. Even if they have to bury the notes from the DOD investigators and write their own report.

The_Gadfly

They were being pretty agnostic while I was watching, focusing on digging for the truth. Frankly, that’s enough for me. If the rest of the news networks did that we wouldn’t be in the messes we are.

Of course, that may just have been Shepard Smith. Even as a news junkie there’s only so much I can watch as info dribbles out. In some ways, I sort of prefer the old way of news at 8:00, 12:00, and 16:00 with a late report at 22:00 or 23:00 for the night owls. I don’t mind analysis and opinion shows in between, but you just can’t develop much new information in 20 minutes.

The_Gadfly

I’m okay with the court martial part, but after that I want all the lawyers sequestered for a couple of days so we can stake him to the fire ant hill. Oh, and I’m all in on waterboarding the SOB between the trial and the execution so we know we have anyone who might have assisted him in planning this.

Raven

Too many incidents of people firing their weapons by accident. Those bullets have to come down somewhere.

Raven

Against these fellow practitioners of their faith who specifically claim their faith as the reason for their actions, then they will be indicted for the actions of their fellows. It’s that simple, and they’re running out of time.

The_Gadfly

the deployment zone was a gun free zone, and that was part of why he was able to kill and wound so many soldiers using two hand guns. From the way Fox described the situation, it sounds like the military regs are exactly the sort the gun control crowds want imposed on civilians.

dclamage

I heard on the radio when the Army major (psychiatrist) heard he was going to Iraq, he requested a discharge. In hindsight, they should have granted him the discharge.

I think every officer in charge of every military base state-side should be issuing rifles to very many soldiers, airmen, marines and sailors, with standing orders to be locked and loaded, in case other Muslims decide they want to follow this guy’s lead.

But that’s just me.

Oh and next time an officer hears somebody making anti-American remarks like this guy clearly did, they should take action. At least report it to their superiors. This guy had been making remarks for weeks about how we shouldn’t be in Iraq and Afghanistan. But everybody was being Politically Correct, just letting it slide.

Because he is Muslim.

The_Gadfly

But in retrospect I think Erick made the right call. Looking at it this morning, I think it was already being politicized by the FBI emphasizing it was not an act of terrorism within minutes of being called in.

Raven

and read the rest of the comments. Yes, we remember. And other attacks besides…

Achance

that result from the stress of combat and that some veterans struggle with those issues for a lifetime. I also know that all a person having any sort of adjustment problem has to say is that he or she is a combat or even war zone veteran and the Docs hand out a PTSD diagnosis, a diagnosis that is heavily abused in order to gain access to disabliity pay or preferences and to VA or other health care.

My youngest is a combat veteran. He is also 23 years old and not the sharpest tool in the shed. He enrolled in the University in Anchorage and pretty much immediately began screwing up from an overdose of freedom, something he’d never really had. He went from our control to military school to the Army and this was the first time in his life that he didn’t have anyone telling him what to do and keeping tabs on him. It was PARTY time! So, he gets a DUI compounded with some other stupid offenses, mostly involving the drunk, naked girl he had with him. His lawyer advises him to go see a pshrink, tell the pshrink he’s a vet, and get a PTSD disagnosis so the lawyer can use that to mitigate the charges. The kid actually may have some lingering effects of a year of combat in Afghanistan, but this incident wasn’t a symptom of it. It was a symptom of being a 23 year old male whose sperm count was higher than his IQ. But, you know, the defense strategy worked and his lawyer got everything but the DUI bargained away on condition that he’d go to the VA for psychothereapy. NOTHING will get you out of a DUI in Alaska.

distantfires

Eric, this appears to another preemptive strike by the far, far right to the far, far left.

It’s a great diversion for those of us who struggle in life’s gray realities.

notthenews

Lets give him his due process. Let’s procedurally try him, lets procedurally find him guilty and then let’s procedurally hang him and nail a shoe to his forehead. Then let’s broadcast that vision to the world. Let’s help this pile of islamic dung find the virgins he was promised.

janis

The guy who rolled the grenade into the tent in Kuwait in 2003 and killed soldiers is scheduled for execution this year. If it happens. Six and a half years after the fact.

notthenews

Bill Pullman in “Independence Day”: “We will not go quietly into that good night, for this is our Independence Day!”

Slightly_Askew

Serving on a firing squad would be difficult. I’d like to buy all of those men a drink. Or two. Or a dozen. To be consumed prior to the event.

pirate55

Just a thought and a memo for our President. Our country was founded on many Judeo-Christian principles. None of those principles refers to other religions as “unbelievers” and/or “infidels” and none attempt to superimpose their will and laws over those which now exist in our free society. We are a country of choices and while we must choose tolerance, we must reject accomodation. Our founders fled the suppression of Judeo-Christian principles and did not intend us to accomodate those which reject them, only be tolerant of them.

taliesin319

Before all else this miscreant was a coward. He had no qualms about taking
one half million dollars worth of education on the military’s dime. Moreover
he took a solemn oath to defend the United States from all enemies foreign and domestic. He has been trained to believe in God since his infancy and so knows the grave sin one commits when one is forsworn. He spent 10 years on his ass watching other soldiers being deployed and in some cases extended while he was safe and sound listening to the histories of the bravest people we have as a nation produced. Any other soldier worthy of the name would hope that if he was placed in such a position he too would behave with the courage his patients displayed. He never was placed in an area of live ordnance but like some 4 year old listening to a horror story he decides he is in imminent danger just hearing their stories. He did not join the Corp de Ballet at the NY Met he took up willingly the profession of arms.
He took loaded weapons and turned on his confreres, his brothers and
sisters in arms and performed a massacre upon them. He had to reload those weapons or at least one of them at least once. He is evil not
mentally ill and to regard him as such dishonors the dead. I am a Vietnam
veteran and 97 % of us came home picked up the pieces of our lives
and never ceased to love America DESPITE the far left cowards
who even today would rob us of all our freedoms. Don’t waste sympathy on this worthless member of our species. He should be ashamed when
women just like me have the will to defend this country while he shirks
his duty and hides behind his religion. The first function of the military is the study and waging of war. If one feels faint at the thought of either of
these activities one might be better suited to a civilian environment.

mac1327

Are you implying that Officer Efficiency Reports have yielded to P.C.?

chuckie

just before the beginning of the fighting war…while deployed in kuwait, waiting for orders to cross into iraq….i remember because my son was camped out there at the time……

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blondi2

I think just as a precaution,any muslim in the military should be given an evaluation every few months and also have their intermet checked on,and their mosque.If they are gaoin to let them in the military then they should make sure of their motives,no matter how long they have been there. But I was thinking of another viewpoint that hasn’t come up yet,but with this administration could possibly come up in the future. What if our government told us to go to Israel?Being a christian,would you be able to kill Gods’ chosen people? This could someday be a possibility! After all, it is no secret that Obama is not for the Israelies. What is the difference in this and a muslim not wanting to kill fellow muslims? These are things that are going to come up if this administration is not kicked out! Seems to me that the records of our president are very important,to where he stands on some of these facrs,but that is just me.

mac1327

Terrorism is a tactic employed against an enemy loosely or clearly defined. The target of a terrorist can be vague or specific since the objective can be chaos. An act of terror can be treason, a criminal act or a military tactic to accomplish a defined goal and can be employed by anyone.

This “Jihadist” committed treason employing terror as a tactic. Premeditation was part of his program. Much of modern warfare does not include a uniformed opponent. The Vietnam war was guerrilla warfare for the most part, but only the North Vietnamese Army and their opposing forces wore uniforms. The NVA and Vietcong employed guerrilla tactics, while we used conventional tactics and paid a high price.

Swamp_Yankee

Steyn on fire. It really is absurd. This guy has been an ocean away from a battle zone, yet the media is in such denial that they are coming up with the lamest rationalizations.

Warrior

an authentic malady, formerly called “shell shock” in WWI and “battle fatigue” in WWII, and a popular dodge.

As we know from our multitudinous and mostly misguided attempts to help folks with welfare payments, some people are genuinely “helped” while many just game the system.

The same can be said for a diagnosis of PTSD. As a professional mental health counselor, I’ve seen it in both incarnations. Unfortunately, with falible man, any diagnosis or condition can be gamed for fun and profit. The folks who ultimately pay for it, of course, are those with the authentic condition.

As for this POS at Ft. Hood, he likely does not have it and should probably be lined up in front of a firing squad.

Just sayin’…

Read Chesterton in New Improved Jersey

Over the last thirty years, the PTSD model has been overlaid by the psychiatric community onto anything and anyone who suffers any type of trauma, from grief over death of a loved one to anxiety over being raised in a dysfunctional family. It can be used successfully by anyone – with the enthusiastic encouragement of the “helping professions – to collect a disability check. PTSD has become another pop-psychology industry used to take otherwise healthy productive people “offline” and make them dependent on the state.

I understand the concept of trauma related stress. I remember the wife of a friend telling me how – after being home only a month – he rolled off the sofa and charged the front door wearing the coffee table on his chest at the sound of fireworks awakening him from a nap. I remember the crazy conversations we had with him where he still treated every conflict as something to fight his way out of. But he returned to normal life on his own. He never allowed any “diagnoses” to make him a prisoner to his otherwise temporarily heightened adrenalin levels or lowered morale. It was his wife’s love, the support of his friends, and his own self-determination that allowed him to put the bad experience behind him and carry the good forward. I suspect that those kept on the dole for PTSD would fare better being referred to treatment for clinical depression – a very real, but more understood and treatable condition.

anotherindyfilmguy

goes out to everyone affected by this at Ft Hood and wherever else they may be in the world.

If this SOB lives through his injuries he should be executed for treason.

I was stationed at Ft Hood 3 times from the mid 1980′s until late 1990s.

This guy knew his victims would have little to no defense because of the DoD policies that create essentially gun-free zones* out of military installations. He has committed murder and treason in the same act and deserves to stop breathing and go straight to hell.

*Most of the Military’s weapons are generally locked up until used for training/deployment and personal weapons so severely restricted they are essentially banned from normally having them on base or not locked up somewhere.

Raven

And where. It’s entirely possible that he was transferred to Fort Hood to get him before a CO more willing/politically able to deal with the problem. That happens pretty often.

Raven

but you might want to go back and redo your research of the Vietnam War.

Raven

It’s Incredibly quick.

Raven

It’s a specific allowance for the sin written in the Koran.

DONTTREADONME

areas, but then again those gray areas that you espouse your life is in gives you a huge amount of leeway to recite your “moral reletavism” argument. BTW its your shades of gray that lead to 2000 page bills to be enacted into law. Much easier to make a law for black and white than the gray area which is exactly what the liberals do to justify their actions contrary to the U.S. Constitution.

DONTTREADONME

janis

is apparently much more efficient than the the America Court System. But I know what you’re saying since most convicted death row inmates go for years or even decades before their sentences are carried out.

http://davesnotepad.blogspot.com/ Dave

…is that the 9/11 hijackers were just out for a joy-ride, stole a couple of loaded airliners just for kicks, and accidentally crashed into the WTC towers and the Pentagon on a cloudless day.

I am sorry, but we are at war with these people, and war has always been a political issue, particularly in a free republic such as ours.

-Dave

http://davesnotepad.blogspot.com/ Dave

You are wise not to go public in this matter, as given the mental illness of political correctness that currently infests this country, the anal exam that would befall you would be most hideous, and then some.

-Dave

allah

and if they need volunteers for the firing squad, let me know… I will bring my own bullets for me and the rest of the firing squad… check the name… ironic,isn’t it?

allah

I would like to add that in addition to all that you mentioned, ALL young men go through that phase where we feel 10 feet tall and bulletproof.. having actually survived combat I can only imagine how much more it would be magnified. Being shot at, and missed, is probably quite the aphrodisiac, too, I would imagine!! Give the lad my thanks for his service.

Xasteius

Imam Faizul Khan, long the main prayer leader at the mosque and a friend of Hasan….is a leading board member of the Islamic Society of North America — the main Wahhabi-lobby group in the United States, established by Saudi Arabia to impose extremism on American Muslims.

Read the rest here. Overall, I’m not surprised that Obama is acting the way he is; he, of course, was member of a church with a radical preacher.

Raven

SteveLA

There’s about zero chance of Obama, even if he wanted to, moving a trial for a crime that was committed on a military base by a military officer to a civilian court. The UCMJ which is a real law would have to be changed, and I doubt there would be much of a chance of even the Democrats being stupid enough to go along with that.

Justin_Case

As I stated above, I know veterans who have PTSD. I was subscribed to a Listserv several years ago that was set up in order to help veterans navigate through the VA system.

Without fail, these men experienced frustration receiving any kind of rating. It was widely accepted among my comrades that the VA would turn down initial requests for compensation. I strongly differ with any notion that 100% disability ratings were given just because someone showed up at a VA facility with a problem.

Certainly there have been cases when undeserving people “gamed the system”. I also would include that bona fide cases of PTSD have been complicated by an individual’s refusal to stop using drugs or alcohol which complicate treatment.

While PTSD is not exclusive to Vietnam veterans, I would point out the shunning we received by a largely indifferent society once we returned home. Many PTSD cases went untreated for many years as a result.

Your friend with the coffee table is among one of the fortunate ones, as he had a loving and caring family that supported him. This is not always the case among veterans or people in general.

My own experience led me down the path of least resistance of drugs and alcohol. For ten years, I did not care if the world came to an end. Like your friend I eventually met a fine woman who has a knack for listening and saying the right thing. Again, not every veteran is as fortunate as I. And not everyone has the inner strength to finally come to the realization that the real unfortunate ones were the ones that didn’t make it back or the ones who suffered terrible, permanent wounds. I witnessed my share of both.

I would encourage any veteran – from any war – to seek professional counseling or go the the VA for help if you feel you need it.

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