Khalid Sheikh Mohammed to Be Sent to New York for Trial

Bobcat51

other hand , what is he trying to divert attention from today ?

Obama so blinded by his ideology that this crazy stunt willl drive the Messiah further down in the polls.

jdub19

I see this as another way to bash the Bush years.

No OBL and after all the years in custody, KSM will be brought to justice…

They have to keep reminding the public of GWB failures.

http://UnitedConservativesofVirginia Cargosquid

When was he read his Miranda warning? When was waterboarding allowed in civilian courts? Who are his accusers? Is he a criminal or an enemy combatant? Enemy combatants/POWs are not to be tried in criminal courts as per Geneva Convention. If he his a criminal, has his embassy been properly notified? If a criminal, weren’t his “accommodations” failing to live up to penal code?

This is just stupid and all for political grandstanding.

illinoisconservative

They may get his case thrown out on the first day! What a travesty of justice! And why was he not tried by military tribunal before Obama came to power? Shouldn’t we have seen this coming?

Old_Crow

he can become a guest lecturer at Harvard and Columbia (or perhaps an ‘outreach’ coordinator for the administration).

This will end badly and will demonstrate to the Muslim terrorists that they can win.

This case does not belong in civilian courts.

http://www.jeannie-ology.com jeannieology

A pig and an Big Apple — roast pig!

www.jeannie-ology.com

USNJIMRET

and claims by the left that this is an effort for Nobama to get America to the “Moral high ground and regain respect in the world.”
Insane, pure and simple, IMO.

qurys

and I feel as though I am slapped in the face……that’s all….isn’t that enough?

USNJIMRET

Gotta make sure that the Won is as safely far away from the outrage in Washington as possible, right?
Does ANYONE still doubt the moral cowardice of the dude sitting in the big chair anymore?
Really?

http://twitter.com/zoltanne zoltanne

…And it’s all been arranged. Ayers said he’ll even ghost-write the book.

gunnerbs

I tried wading into the whole Geneva Convnetions/US policy/UCMJ/Constituional issues on what to do with these dirtbags awhile ago. It seems to make sense that they should have all been tried under the UCMJ a long time ago. The UCMJ applies to POWs, and the UCMJ falls under Title 10. But…

If you call them POWs, then there are other things we are required to do with respect to thier treatment, etc, and it was (I think) GW’s policy that they were war criminal, meaning not POWs. It’s mind boggling, but it is one of the things that we deal with because the military is under civilian conrtrol (rightfully). The State Department is FULL of career lefty politician types, regardless of who is in the WH.

So, they get left in limbo, and we end up where we are. Very frustrating.

jverner

Such nonsense – Every person, not just an American citizen, has the Constitutional rights you mention.

Seems pretty basic: Everyone tried in an American court should have the right to a fair trial, the right to counsel and the right to exclude “confessions” beaten out of him.

Why are ‘wingers so afraid of due process?

smagar

NYC was Obama Central in the 2008 election, It also was Ground Zero for the crowd that mocked George W. Bush. (You know—the president who kept NYC safe from terrorist attacks from 9/12 on.)

Home of David Letterman, the most anti-Bush of all the nighttime talk show hosts.

Home to Will Ferrell’s Bush-insulting Broadway play.

And, home to the cheering/hooting audience members who filled the seats in both shows.

Take your medicine, NYC. Just show some grace and take it in silence.

You brought this on yourselves. You wanted this guy as president. Now, you’ve got him.

But, you might want to explain to those 9/11 family members how this is such a good thing.

That won’t be a problem, right? I mean…you’re all from sophisticated New York City, right?

mschmitt

nyindy

And he’s let out on the streets in NYC… How far do you think he will get? 1 block? 2 blocks?

smagar

janis

Well if that’s not a damning indictment of the public school system, I don’t know what would be.

Only American citizens are entitled to those rights, you *%$# idiot.

Achance

war criminals, partisans, spies, terrorists, etc. are not. And just what process is due, even if your naked assertion is correct? Even if this thing, and it is a thing, not a human being or person, were subject to the 5th and 14th Am. neither confers a specific right, they just guarantee a federal right to whatever process might inhere from other law. So, if you have both hands available to turn pages and type, tell us what the substantive rights the thing has and where those rights come from.

fisk2521

The Democratic Governor of New York just announced this week that New York State is in a financial crisis…. months away from bankruptcy…. he stated that the two issues facing New York that must be addressed were bankruptcy and gay marriage. That certainly is a strange combination…. and a convoluted way to look at what issues are most important to address.

Why not bring Khalid Sheikh Mohammed to New York City for a civil trial…the whole state has been under siege for years by the Democratic party’s tax and spend in this state and it comes straight from the City of New York and their corrupt politcians. The rest of us have to live with astronomical property taxes, sales taxes, inheritance taxes and rapidly declining population and businesses due to the taxes imposed.

I sure the Mayor of New York is A-OK with this. He’s loaded with money and the is untouched by all the hardships New Yorkers face….. a liberal who doesn’t actually care.

Everyone is New York State will just have another ‘worry’ caused by Obama and his political friends. We are on the edge of seats at the announcement of bankruptcy…which can of course mean nothing but taxing more..

JoeG

Quite a few of Bush’s difficulties can be traced back to the carrier folks at the state dept. The next president needs to do all he can to wage war on these folks. Even if they’re not out, they will need to know to keep their head down to avoid a whacking.

janis

and you obviously are not a regular reader or you’d be a whole lot more informed than this.

Another sleeper cell of stupid.

mistersnark

…from the Ramzi Yousef case, besides in degree of responsibility of the accused? Yousef bombed the WTC in 1993, was tried and convicted here, and is serving life in solitary at the Colorado SuperMax prison. Shoulda gotten the needle, but you can’t have everything, I guess.

Is the same system that caught that SOB and put him away, that dealt with Timothy McVeigh and Terry Nichols, that put Ali Al-Marri away *just this year* suddenly inadequate to handle KSM?

If we have so little faith in our principles and our Constitution, perhaps we ought to lose the pretense and just abandon them outright.

JoeG

We can try these cases in any federal jurisdiction, right? I never did understand why the blind sheik wasn’t tried in Oklahoma City, Dallas, or any other city with a federal court house and a citizenry predisposed to execute deserving scumbags.

mistersnark

After all, victims of terror attacks are only victims as long as they’re useful for the Right’s political expediencies. If they go off the reservation…well, then they got what was coming to them.

P.S. The vast majorities of those audiences you mention are tourists.

http://UnitedConservativesofVirginia Cargosquid

in a war. THEY were considered criminals. KSM is an irregular combatant. As such, under the Articles of War, they can be treated differently than normal POWs. But they are NOT criminals. Criminals have more rights.

Scope

that dogs (the 4 legged kind) should have their day in civilian court also.

Scope

that dogs (the 4 legged kind) should have their day in civilian court also.

Achance

it is going to be a communist cell in the federal government. It needs to become an article of faith for the Republican Party that it will operate and recruit candidates, appointees, and political level management outside the axes of evil from Boston to DC and from Seattle to LA. Unless you’ve been a practicing Republican with verifiable bona fides for at least a couple of federal election cycles, if you’re from the Ivy League or from the axes of evil, you’re disqualified.

Achance

I think I’d really enjoy your doing that so I could kick you stupid, swaggering, lefty ass.

mschmitt

Don’t you know that eating a diet of nothing but tofu and joy-joy thoughts makes their tiny little bones brittle?

dclamage

KSM should’ve been classified as either a spy/saboteur or an enemy combatant.

If the first, he should’ve been summarily executed by the military (or if he’s more valuable alive, then imprisoned in Ft Leavenworth for life).

If the latter, he should’ve been tried by a military tribunal (and then executed, or at least imprisoned for life at Ft Leavenworth).

Instead, he will be found not guilty in a civilian court and sent home to receive a hero’s welcome.

Emboldened, he will plan another “man-made disaster” against the US.

These radical Islamists has been at war with the US for 30 years. Islam has been at war with the West for 700 years.

Why don’t our “leaders” get it?

I think this is precisely the outcome Obama is seeking.

http://www.theminorityreportblog.com/blog/loren_heal Socrates

KSM is not a US citizen. He is not a POW. He is an unlawful combatant.

If he were a POW, he could not be tried or even questioned, but could only be held untried until the end of hostilities.

As an unlawful combatant, he has no rights at all. We are only required to treat him with common human decency: feed him gruel and vitamins, attend his heart failures, but no more.

And if we do give him more, we run counter to the intent and purpose of the Geneva Conventions. For of what use is obeying the laws of war if we will treat our enemies the same whether they do so or not?

And a fortiori of what value is American citizenship if we extend full rights to non-citizen war criminals?

DavidS1787

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Their Two U.S. Senators, The Speaker of the House, The Justice Department,
and The White House by Email.

Then Follow up with calls to their offices to give them all heck For Obama’s and Holders hairbrain Idea’s!!!!!!!!!!

I will work on a list for ILLINOIS.

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(Yes, this is the reverse of the saying, but we fell through the rabbit hole last Novermber, so lots of things are reversed).

New York voted for Obama, so they get to pay the consequences.

But if the resultant circus exposes to more Americans the destructiveness of the current Administrations foreign policy, then we may yet get some lemonade out of these lemons we’re being forced to squeeze.

And fortunately, we can depend on our media to make the O,J, Simpson trial look like a model of decorum by comparison.

As for the victims of KSM and crew – I can only pray that their grief and pain at this turn of events ultimately will prove redemptive for our nation.

Richard Mullins

for both and if found guilty, death. I’m sorry, but you can’t be president and do something like letting KSM free.

Old_Crow

enforcement operation. KSM was captured as a result of a military operation. KSM can easily walk away from this trial a free man since much of the evidence will not be admissible in a civilian court. Additionally, civilian procedures and techniques were not used and civilian protocols were not followed.

This is a huge victory for AQ.

Achance

as a professor. He’d be a hero to the left; he fought the evil Bush and he WON.

mom2oneson

The more politically aware I get the more I appreciate your posts! I wouldn’t blame people for Broadway most people can’t afford expensive entertainment like that but I am kind of seeing the reap what you sow as far as voting and then the decisions those leaders make.

Richard Mullins

and if you keep persisting in saying otherwise, you both should be on trial. Personally, I’m tired of your kind lecturing others when you don’t even know what your talking about. Why don’t you come down here and tell me. Oh I forgot, you’re too D*mn scared to do that.

dclamage

No such animal.

If a marriage is no longer defined by the respective sexes of the individuals, then it need not be defined by the cardinal number of individuals.

You would then have marriages with three, four, five, six partners. No limit.

But then someone will argue, marriage should no longer be defined by age either. Then it becomes OK for an adult man to marry a child (girl or boy, wouldn’t matter). NAMBLA would love this.

But then marriage need not be defined by the term of the contract. Thus, you wouldn’t necessarily have a marriage for life — you could specify 5 years, 10 years, whatever.

Why reserve marriage just for the human species? Why not marry off your cat or dog to your neighbor’s or friend’s, with all of the same legal rights, protections and privileges thereof. Why not simply marry your cat?

But then, the word “marriage” would no longer mean anything. You’ve fallen down the slippery slope into oblivion. And you’ve destroyed the institution of marriage to satisfy the demands of a mere 1.5% of the US population — GLBT.

USNJIMRET

Just to get an extension and increase on the old Global Master Card?

Richard Mullins

along with some other parts of his body as punishment.

mom2oneson

on what to say? I’ll call but I need to know what to say.

mschmitt

Achance

That’s all this really is. The communist ACLU defense attornies aided and abetted by Holder’s recently appointed communist US Attornies, will mount a defense based on all the terrible things that the Evil BushHitler regime did that resulted in these patriots and martyrs being in the evil hands of the US Military. The charges against them will be dismissed on procedural and Constitutional grounds before they ever see a NY jury. Even a NY jury may not be reliable on KSM.

The the fact that these guys are free and sueing the US for damages can all be the fault of the evil Constitution-smashing BusHitler Regime.

Streiff

it isn’t just PWs covered by UCMJ. Civilians in an area where we’re carrying out military operations are covered as are illegal combatants like KSM.

But to the bigger question of why we didn’t try these guys just straight up under UCMJ rather than dick around with the military tribunals I don’t know.

jverner

Typical ‘winger response – shout and insult the other guy to “prove” your point.

The Fifth Amendment reads: “NO PERSON shall be . . . compelled in any criminal case to be a witness against himself, nor be deprived of life, liberty, or property, without due process of law.” [Emphasis added]

Check out, for example, the U.S. Supreme Court decision Plyler v. Doe, 457 U. S. 202, 210 (1982):

Aliens, even aliens whose presence in this country is unlawful, have long been recognized as “persons” guaranteed due process of law by the Fifth and Fourteenth Amendments. Shaughnessv v. Mezei, 345 U. S. 206, 345 U. S. 212 (1953); Wong Wing v. United States, 163 U. S. 228, 163 U. S. 238 (1896); Yick Wo v. Hopkins, 118 U. S. 356, 118 U. S. 369 (1886).

Turns out I did pay attention in school, janis.

Jimmy Verner (a/k/a known as moonbat, idiot, stupid and jackass, and who possesses a stupid, swaggering, lefty ass but has tiny, little bones, which are the only sorts of things ‘wingers can come up with when confronted with anything they disagree with, especially when they are wrong about what the Constitution says)

Achance

School must be out today and the children are down in the basement “playing” on the computer.

Richard Mullins

before I come down an kick you in the a$$. Keep it up and I try you for treason myself.

mschmitt

You proved our point when you said “Every person, not just an American citizen, has the Constitutional rights you mention.”

There is, therefore, no cause for debate with you; you are clearly too dumb to be reasoned with — and you probably smell bad, too — and therefore, we choose to mock you.

Jack_Savage

Then we really won’t have to worry about him.

On a related note, I love how they go out of their way to prove their alliance with Islamo-fascists without even realizing it. Both groups certainly have the same goal in common – they’re just going about it in different ways.

Jack_Savage

And probably the services of one of Letterman’s 72 virgins.

Just cashing the check a little early for KSM.

nessa

janis

lack of respect for your comments because, outside of this administration, no person in their right mind would suggest that a murdering thug like KSM deserves anything more than a military tribunal and a swift execution. To put him on par with your everyday garden-variety criminal is so utterly clueless as to be insane.

KSM is not some Hispanic illegal alien that got rounded up at a Tyson chicken plant, he’s a man who plotted and executed the murder of thousands here in America and was instrumental in planning even more terror incidents when he was apprehended and taken into custody. So your definition of him as an unlawful alien doesn’t apply.

What does apply is the bit about you being a “stupid, swaggering, lefty ass….” Thanks for participating and proving why, yet again, the left has not even the pretense of dealing with national security.

Vladimir

Any statements gained via waterboarding (or, let’s face it, by hostile questioners, or while Metallica music was being played) is inadmissible.

Impossible to find 12 impartial New Yorkers.

Prejudicial statements by everyone, including U.S. Presidents (maybe Obama’s clean here).

A true “jury of his peers” would of necessity be made up entirely of NY cabbies.

In a just world, someone would quietly take the sheikhh out behind the barn & give him a terminal case of lead poisoning. Instead, I have a feeling KSM is going to join OJ on his “Search for the Real Killers” tour of FL golf courses.

mschmitt

The troll’s handlers undoubtably learned some of those legal arguments from us during the “top 200 reasons not to close GITMO” debate.

mosander

Hasn’t anyone noticed the victims did not get due process? Even Sharia Courts (which are coming – See David Hamilton, the muslim judge – not sure he is approved yet) . Has some law made the U.S. Constitution invalid at this point? Because it is being violated with impunity and ignored by many judges. Do we not have smart lawyers? The country is full of lawyers. Don’t we have any patriots lawyers?

http://hillbillypolitics.com Steph C

But, we have other problems that will radically change this country if we focus overmuch on this one thing. The timing is suspect, too, as in: If the W.H. wants to distract us from focusing on issues that hurt this country (like health care reform or cap and tax) what would be the best way to do so?

I’m not knocking mentioning it but the top three stories on the front page are all about this. In addition, there are at least 2 stories over in the members’ diaries talking about it.

This is how they fight freedom lovers who are fighting for life, liberty, and pursuit of happiness. When we’re winning the debates, they throw out something to distract us. I’m sure they can concoct a million somethings if necessary.

Personally, I’d like to skewer Khalid somewhere those 72 virgins will laugh at him but that’s me. Such a sentiment makes it harder to recognize this for what it is, too; a distraction.

However, any “victory” for Obama in this should be a hollow one by the fact that we haven’t taken our eyes off the doings in D.C.

I expect my comment will offend at least one person, so I will say in advance, I’m sorry to have offended, since that is not my intent.

We live in a harsh world that is becoming increasingly harsher.

penguin2

If you were someone who thought “I dont want to die like this” as all
Americans thought that day, then you would not say this trash. OTOH, if you think these things should happen to fellow Americans, you are a
sympathizer.

You Leftists are all the same. Think it should happen to others, but not to you. Have you forgotten what it means to be an American citizen?

janis

another reminder, along with O’s dithering in Afghanistan and so many other items, that the left can’t be trusted to make reasonable decisions in ANY area whatsoever.

And look at it this way, for any who have sat on the sidelines and refused to believe that this man who would be king is bent on getting as many of us killed as possible, this will be a pretty compelling visual for them to consider.

http://hillbillypolitics.com Steph C

We can multitask and often do but sometimes the emotional assault takes its toll and I got the impression this was one of those times with three back to back front pagers.

I like your take on it, too. In the end, we should hammer home just how unimportant people are to this administration; that if they do nothing to glorify him, they’re not worth protecting.

This thing with the terrorists “feels” like a feint. That this was thrown out at just this time for the purpose of distracting the right while two major pieces of freedom and economy killing legislation are being pushed through Congress. While we’re concentrating on this, some slip of news will be passed along unnoticed until it’s too late, like distracting the Republicans in Congress with a “See? They’re more worried about [that] than [this] and convince enough stupid RINOS to go along in the name of “getting something done” than would otherwise be the case.

Martin Knight

That sure would be fun.

BTW, KSM was caught outside of the United States and purposely placed in Guantanamo precisely so that he could be tried without compromising intelligence operations and methods which would be threatened if he were tried in a US civilian court.

You must really be beyond stupid if you think extending Constitutional protections to enemy combatants during a war actually makes sense.

Your god Obama just screwed the pooch on this one.

Achance

johnsbrn

I’m confused, you said he will be given all the rights afforded to a US citizen in a criminal trial, then you say it will be a show trial. I don’t get it, wouldn’t a show trial not afford him any of these rights? Isn’t the reason we have all those laws to make trials as fair as possible? Shouldn’t we be showing the world that we practice what we preach? These laws do have a downside and they do afford opportunities to criminals, but they serve a far more important purpose: to protect the innocent. As a REAL conservative, I believe the only way to protect the Constitution of the United States of America and the principles this country was founded on is to actually follow them. I know that probably sounds crazy to a neo-con like you, but these things are important to “old-school” Goldwater conservatives like myself. I will be sure to call my Congressman and Senators right now and show my support for the Constitution. We are more than a country and a people, we are a set of principles and those principles must guide our every action or we might as well be another kleptocratic totalitarian regime.

I honestly don’t even understand how some of you can call yourselves conservatives. The ACLU is communist? An organization that supports your Constitutional rights is communist? The Constitution is the most important document we have and deserves someone who will fight for it.

Remember, when the President takes the oath of office, he does not swear to protect the people of the United States, he swears to preserve, protect and defend the Constitution of the United States of America. The message is clear, the principles we believe in are more important than anything else. They trump national security and they trump political ideology.

Oh, and for the truly stupid, like mosander, victims never get due process, that’s why their called “victims”

nickinvirginia

We’ve held this dirtbag for years now. The govt. is seaking the death penalty (it doesnt matter that the case is taking place in NY, its a federal case). Personally, I think justice comes via the judicial process. Holding someone indefintely is not justice. Convicting them and putting them to death is justice. The guy isn’t going to be released on the streets. Whatever you or I think of Holder and Obama, there is no way on the face of the planet that they would bring this case to court wihtout being absolutely positive that they will get a conviction. As far as him getting press, the case will likely be sealed and no press will be allowed inside. There will also likely be a gag order.

From a legal standpoint (I’m taking National Security Law right now, great class) I wonder why he is being tried in an Article III court and not a UCMJ. My guess would be that the evidence they have against him will stand up in an Article III court; they have a lot on KSM.

P.S. – Some of you seeming to be happy or hoping that something bad happens to NY, because of this you need to STFU, I was in NY during 9/11, I had friends that lost fathers in those towers. I don’t care what political ideology anyone is, no one deserves to be the victim of a terrorist attack. We’re all Americans, and partisanship should never rise to that level of thinking.

mschmitt

Achance

who is still here purely on sufferance. We can keep stuff like this written by useful idiots like you and we’ll remind you of how stupid you were. This is purely a show trial of the Bush Administration, the CIA, and the military. It is unlikely to ever get to a jury and when it is dismissed, there will be a Blame BusHitler orgy and the high likelihood that the evidence and testimony adduced in this proceeding will be used internationally to try to bring Bush Administration officials and other US citizens up on war crimes trials. Comrade Obama is a very evil person and stupid people like you allowed him to come to power with the express intent of remaking this Country. Liking all that HopenChange so far?

Achance

penguin2

“Real conservative” bobsmith doesn’t quite have the language down right. Actually, I didn’t think anything “trumped” national security. Isn’t the first job of the President of the United States to protect the country? And Leftist ideology seems an oxymoron with national security.

bobsmith, do a little research on who founded the ACLU, and read up on the cases they take on. We aren’t as ignorant here as you would like to think.

bobsmith, you wouldn’t know a real conservative, if you were in a room full of them. It is hard to stay diplomatic with Leftist trolls like you. Go take your trash and holier than thou Leftism, elsewhere.

mschmitt

bobsmith

The 5th and 6th amendment make no reference to United States Citizens, nor do any of the rights set forth within it. The 5th amendment starts with the words “No Person..” and the 6th says “In all criminal prosecutions…”
A show trial with no real rights would be something we would expect from Iran or China, not from the United States. We are better than that.

bs

http://www.hakubi.us/ Neil Stevens

I’m not going to let that accusation int he last paragraph stand. You can apply for reinstatement when you’re ready to apologize publicly for that, and retract it entirely.

bs

who is a lawyer and whose office was in the WTC and destoyed on 9/11? Why don’t you go accuse HIM of “hoping something bad happens to NY”?

http://www.redstate.com/dan_mclaughlin/2009/11/13/the-khalid-sheikh-mohammed-lower-manhattan-reunion-tour/

You were doing so-so before your last paragraph, and then you started showing your shortcomings.

bs

I had to restrain myself on my response. Yours was far more suitable.

Aaron Gardner

It is important that you do. You see, the preamble sets the general context withing which you should read the Constitution. I will quote:

We the People of the United States, in order to form a more perfect Union, establish Justice, insure domestic Tranquility, provide for the common defence, promote the general Welfare, and secure the Blessings of Liberty to ourselves and our Posterity, do ordain this Constitution for the United State of America

Bolding mine.

Clearly the context is that the rights being secured by the Constitution were intended to be secured for the citizens of the nation that ratified the Constitution.

janis

It’s apparently “Bring a troll to work day”. Too bad it didn’t require them to at least be smart ones. Perhaps we can require a stimulus for the purpose of having smarter trolls and more clever mobys.

Nah, they’d just count that as more jobs saved or created.

penguin2

That explains it, though they missed Halloween. It has been interesting to see how many of the accounts have actually been around awhile. This guy had one for nine months, guess he couldn’t contain himself anymore.

They must be panicking, their Obama messiah is flailing and failing. As Neil says below, the Left are Fascists. Gonna start with the new name. Good day to begin.

mschmitt

Aaron Gardner

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penguin2

the right fascists. Did he say because we’re religious, we can’t be Republicans? Wow, that would upset our party. And though he is a ghost, it is Friday the 13th. as Janis noted. IMO, we do an excellent job of thinking for ourselves. Not a very good troll.

aesthete

Logically, if that were the case, the US would be Constitutionally obligated to protect the rights recognized by the 5th Amendment of *every single person on Earth*. I, personally, prefer to believe that you’re a shill for Dear Leader than that the public education system is so screwed up as to have someone devolve to this level of idiocy.

mschmitt

DavidS1787

Mike Quigley (D-IL) 5 th Cong. District
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aesthete

Khalid Sheikh was never even an “alien” in our country (the Pakistanis captured him and transferred him to US custody). In fact, given that he hasn’t been to the US or any of its territories, and given the status of Guantanamo as a naval base, it’s questionable whether there are sufficient grounds to say that he has ever been on US soil (though I suppose that’s one for the lawyers to figure out). This line of reasoning is complete trash that wouldn’t be taken seriously in a Montessori kindergarten, much less anywhere near US policy. If only Charles Krauthammer could give this guy a real thrashing; that would be fun to watch.

aesthete

There is no reason someone should wish that on other people, especially for their political affiliation. TBH, this sounds like that comment that Mike Moore made about the 9/11 attacks a while back, and I’m irked that you posted it. I have family there, and believe me, they’re ****ed at Obama for having made this decision.

aesthete

I’ll bet that when they captured KSM, they didn’t do so with the expectation that the US would put up a dog-and-pony show, and that that would be that. They have a huge problem with the Taliban in their western area, and capturing and executing KSM would have been a huge moral victory for them, if KSM being dead was the only thing they were looking for.

aesthete

tells the President that it is his job to protect the Constitution. In point of fact, it is the Supreme Court’s job to make sure that the US Constitution is followed by all parties (even if it has been doing an awful job of that since the New Deal).

drham

If our way of life, including our justice system, is worth defending then we should want our enemies to be held to the same level of justice as we all are? If we are uncomfortable with letting everyone, regardless of their transgression, to have their day in court then why are we at war? If we would rather see our enemies tried under some secret military court, then our way of life is not worth defending!

DavidS1787

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melvinwinter

http://optoons.blogspot.com/2009/10/terrorists-tried-in-us-courts-trigger.html

janis

herdzcatz

Where is Jack Ruby when you need him?

mschmitt

Jack_Savage

Of course after his time at Gitmo KSM will probably take what he can get, including some staff sluts at NBC.

http://www.hakubi.us/ Neil Stevens

I can’t tell if you’re a troll or an idiot, but I’m trying to learn from streiff and be less afraid to ban for abject stupidity, so off you go.

http://erickbrockway.wordpress.com/ Erick Brockway

“Another sleeper cell of stupid.”
ROTFLMAO

janis

I discovered I had forgotten how to tie my shoes. You’ve done a vital public service by gakking it.

penguin2

Definitely a troll with Leftist/Fascist talking points, and stupidity for making this his first post of a yr. old account.

http://erickbrockway.wordpress.com/ Erick Brockway

“Hell NO,
Keep him in Guantanamo”

Libs understand “Chantspeak”

aesthete

Anyone who wastes their time posting idiotic comments in a forum where their comments will be received badly has to fall somewhere on the stupid scale.

mschmitt

Hey hey, ho ho, radical islamo-fascists got to go!

Hey hey, ho ho, right back to Guantanamo!

smagar

There is no reason someone should wish that on other people

You make it sound as if I wished death or harm on the Obama-swooning residents of the Big Apple. If you’d read the post with your brain turned on—or at least the title—-I wished them discomfort.

TBH, this sounds like that comment that Mike Moore made about the 9/11 attacks a while back

Well then, you’re not very bright, are you?

I?m irked that you posted it.

As if I care. So what if you’re irked?

they?re ****ed at Obama for having made this decision.

In democracies, we live with the consequences of our bad choices. Have your family tell that to their neighbors who voted for The One.

smagar

It’s New York City’s.

smagar

mom2oneson

bk

One or more of them was ready to get the death penalty until Obama pulled the plug on that. What better way to demonstrate to the people of New York how absolutely terrible Obama and Holder are than to have them flaunt KSM under New Yorkers noses in a trial they cannot win.

And all in order to try to make Bush and the CIA look bad, since Holder doesn’t have the nuts to go after them himself. Coward.

This could backfire against Obama as much as anything he’s done so far.

aesthete

I apologize for misinterpreting your comment, but I still find the sentiment behind your initial comment (specifically, your yearning for people to suffer as a result of political affiliation) both abhorrent and perplexing, given that conservative is both based on the idea that man is imperfect and makes mistakes (or unfortunately votes Obama, from time to time), and given the nature’s penchant for picking up late converts.

Tbone

I have no problem with that. People need to understand that elections have consequences. If every person who voted for Obama lost their job because of his disastrous economic policies, good.

archer52

Sometimes you can’t stop someone from making bad decisions. You can talk to them, show them, lead them, but if they are insistent on cutting off their noses to spite their face, there are times you have to simply step to one side and let it happen.

It’s call tough love. The left wants to harm the CIA and the Bush admin. To do it, to expose what they think was a series of criminal acts, the left is willing to shoot NY in the head. At some point, whether now or later, the people of NY are going to get the point that the far left in America is their real enemy. If the higher taxes on and the constant bit**ing at the successful people who live there doesn’t get the point across, perhaps a series of attacks on NY while KSM is being held there will do it.

Anybody with common sense knows this is a bad idea, yet BO and his boys are running full tilt at it. Holder said today, in a revealing moment, that the Feds assured him they could keep the courtroom area safe. Of course they can, and of course that is all Holder is worried about, him and his crew. What the Feds can’t secure, and neither can NYPD, is the rest of the city. The stores, the malls, the banks, the streets, the tunnels. The terrorist could simply take a hundred hostages and demand KSM be released or they’ll start killing them. This is the same reason why I apposed letting prisoners from Gitmo come here to our prisons. It makes the city around the prison a target.

The terrorist think differently than we do. Hasan tried to tell anyone who would listen and they refused to believe him. Finally he acted, and the STILL don’t believe him. PC thinking and the John Wayne syndrome are very dangerous. I commented in length about this at my site:

http://truthandcommonsense.com/2009/11/13/hasan-tried-to-explain-it-to-his-colleagues-that-jihadists-werent-crazy-they-thought-he-was-nuts-his-point-exactly/

A good attack to them would be scaring the piss out of NY because KSM is there. Simple. I get these people. BO and his crew don’t. They are weak, PC driven, and frankly idiots.

gekster

HUH

discerningconservative

Are you saying that New York City deserves a terrorist attack because of their voting record? They went for Clinton in 1992 and 1996. Does that mean that they deserved what happened on 9/11/01 because Clinton failed to take Bin Laden when he had the chance? Look, I have family and friends that I care about in New York, and when you say that you think they deserve this I take it personally. What are the voting records of your county? Have they ever voted Democrat? Should I wish for a mass murderer to be released in your community?

discerningconservative

I meant this as a reply to smager’s comment well upthread. Your comment was the last one I read, and I was thinking of smager’s comment when I was replying to it. I disagree with your title, but I understand that you weren’t wishing harm to the people of NYC for their voting records. Again, I am sorry for replying to the wrong comment instead of scrolling back upthread and replying to the one I wanted to.

discerningconservative

I accidentally typed my reply to you way downthread, but you can find it here

abbynormal

Gotta admire this administration’s rapid fire legislation and slight of hand. They’re coming at us from all sides. Gotta stayvigilant and tireless, people! Our men and women in Afghanistan aren’t getting a break, so we shouldn’t take one either!

nantzin

I am not sure why you sent me an e-mail about not trying Khalid Sheikh Mohammed in New York, when, in fact, I believe he should be tried there. I also believe he should be given all the legal rights we should give any human lest we be seen as a country who jettison’s our ideals about law and fairness when we get angry.

We are better than that and the Republicans and other uneducated (or so called “educated”) folks out there who believe we should torture and hold people indefinitely without charging them with a crime should know that America will never go back to the draconian policies of the Bush administration.

I have no idea what sort of idiot decided that sending me this Republican hate e-mail, but I completely disagree with Red States position on this and almost every other position Red State has made in its short, inglorious history.

I respect our Constitution, and the Universal Declaration of Human Rights which prohibits torture and degrading actions against prisoners. Republicans should too and should stop acting like Cro-Magnon in this modern age or face further alienation from America’s mainstream society.

You are already a regional party, at best, and will eventually become irrelevant unless you get out of the Dark Ages.

And yes, stop sending me unsolicited right wind e-mail.

mschmitt

nantzin

Just trying to educate you. Read the Constitution of the United States carefully this time, not like when you read it in Civics or American history class in high school, and then go read the Universal Declaration of Human Rights which the US ratified and then see if I am not an educator.

ceili_dancer

I can almost imagine as you’re typing this with your eyes partialy closed and fully wrapped up in yourself. I’m an educator, what a frickin joke.

Vegas_Rick

by bullies in school, a lot, didn’t you?

Achance

in this Country. You’re the one with the government school view of the Constitution. Now, don’t go away mad, but go away. Most of us have recovered from our educations.

ceili_dancer

The 2nd paragraph with the linking of “republicans and other uneducated”, check out the video of How Obama got elected. When peoples newsource is Saturday Night Live or the Daily Show,… you wonder how someone so unqualified could be elected? The smugness carries on through the other paragraphs, but I don’t want to waste too much time when I can hear the approaching Blam Stick.
As for the “unsolicited emails, You have to double opt in, there are settings that you can place in you account, or you can unsubscribe. Or are you just so educated that we were supposed to know exactly that you are a tool.

Leopard1996

This was an act of war, plotted out in a foreign land, executed by foreign people, who outwardly stated that they were at war with us. This constitutes a war crime not a criminal action, and should be tried in a military fashion.

DO NOT come on this site and try and throw the constitution in OUR faces, when we are the ones attempting to defend the Constitution from the MANY affronts done to it by the pieces of garbage people like you tend to support.

Since you want to site the constitution to us, please enlighten a dumb ass like me, where in the Constitution is there anything about the Health care piece of garbage that came out of the House. Telll you me you smug piece of garbage where in the Constitution is Cap and Trade energy regulation.

And if you site the General Welfare line you are intellectually dishonest because Immedately after that both Madison and Jefferson stated in papers that the General welfare was limited to the enumerated powers.

mschmitt

… which, just as your arrogance, apparently knows no bounds.

Don’t presume to lecture us here, you “inglorious” little twit.

nantzin

I teach, play rock n’ roll in a band, enjoy fishing, following the news… Normal, like most Americans, not a social conservative, but rather a liberal on social issues and slightly left of center on economic issues.

mschmitt

… the damage people like you do to their intellectual development is stunning; and immensely tragic.

Now, go be a ghost or something; and try to learn something from your experience here. Here’s a hint: if you wish to hold persuasion over your intellectual betters, try not to be such a sanctimonious a**; also, try to hold out the possibility that we’ve thought about this stuff a lot harder — and for a lot longer — than you have.

Cheers,

nantzin

Why else would there be such restrictions on teaching about contraceptives in health ed classes if it were not for Republicans who don’t want it taught? Why would teachers be so limited in what they can say and comment on if it were not for Republicans and their oh so delicate sensibilities getting “offended” at reasonable arguments?

My goal is to teach students to think for themselves, which is what I was taught to do. Now if only some of you here had a more open mind and listened you might see that no, I’m no radical. I’m here making an argument for a more open mind from the rabid right-wing Republicans (who are dragging their party down with them) by complaining that our own laws and treaties we’ve subscribed (the Universal Declaration of Human Rights) should not be followed. They should be because we are a nation of laws, should make good on our word when we sign treaties and should demonstrate to each other and to the world that we are a nation of that follows our laws and the treties we sign.

nantzin

Nice.

nantzin

… of the lack of arguments to counter the substance of what I’m saying and instead the use of ridiculous assertions that have nothing at all to do with what I’m arguing.

Dudes, use your brain, not just your gut reaction to demonstrate you don’t think.

mschmitt

pilgrim

Achance

As a teacher you exemplify the mindnumbed liberal robot that the government schools employ and which they turn out. Having endured having my step kids in government schools since there isn’t a private option here, they are nothing more than liberal propaganda outlets; the 3Rs are racism, recycling, and reproduction. Don’t tell me any government school teacher is interested in teaching kids to think for themselves, they brainwash them just as teachers themselves are brainwashed.

Now, I suspect your troll time here is getting limited and I’m tired of you.

nantzin

Thank you. I made a mistake by lining the two. There are reasonable Republicans who I did not intend to include, but all too often, the majority of Republican I see on TV make me feel embarrassed for the Republican party.

I will look for a way to block Red State’s e-mails again, but I couldn’t find it right away and instead got into responding to the assertion that Khalid Sheikh Mohammed should not be tried in NYC.

In the end, I’m glad I stuck with the thread to find someone who made a sensible response. Thanks!

Now, if only there were a lot more Republicans like you to help the Democrats actually have to argue their points intelligently instead of fending of stupid, from the seat-of-the-pants vitriol. We’d have a much better public debate instead of the spectacle we see now, and our government, country and the people who call America home would be much better served.

nantzin

Yes, it was an act of war, but there are human rights we must abide by since we signed the Universal Declaration of Human Rights.

We did not respect this man’s human rights, which we should have because by not doing so, we have allowed ourselves to drop closer to his level instead of holding the high ground.

Not sure what affront to the Constitution you are referring to, but the Constitution is a living document that can be amended and has been 27 times. So if you’re referring to the right to bear arms, yes, there have been attempts to limit possession of guns since they are involved in such a large proportion of the crimes committed in the US. The 2nd amendment could be changes, just like any other amendment or part of the Constitution if 2/3 of the states approved it. The process for doing so is in the Constitution.

You are right about there being nothing in the Constitution about the health care package passed in the House of the Cap and Trade law, but the Congress does have the right to make laws, which start in the House and must be approved by the Senate in order for them to become laws. This is where these laws are being made, as they can be according to our Constitution.

The problem for you, and Republicans in general, is that both houses of Congress and so is the Presidency. Republicans lost seats in both houses and lost the Presidency. That means that Democrats can make laws and will make laws just as Republicans have done when they’ve enjoyed the rights and privileges afforded them by the Constitution.

I’m not saying anything about the “General welfare clause,” so I’m not sure why you brought it up.

As for being a “smug piece of garbage,” well, what can I say other than, no, I’m not smug, or garbage…and yes, you do need to come up with better arguments.

nantzin

I found a person who actually gave a reasoned and reasonable response to what I said. Halleluya!

http://www.ssce.net/Web-Articles/Web-articles-indexed-authors.html#authors-l JLenardDetroit

or they just here because it is so dull over there?

Of course, it’s the latest crop of losers here trying to earn their “RS Banned” badge of honor to claim over at those holes.

Yo Nantzin, which moron sent out the email (Anita Dung… er… Dunn, Rahm, ObamaYouthCorps, etc) for you all to pile on over here this time? Yeah, sure, you’re such a “Free Thinker!” lol

nantzin

After all I am a high school teacher, so I’m used to being called all kinds of things by some kids and their parents too, so no not offended at all, just hoping the level of argumentation can be a bit more factual and less personal attack.

nantzin

So I ansewered it and then answered the commenteres.

JadedByPolitics

the man who personally cut off Daniel Pearls head! You leftist tools with your bleeding hearts whining right up until the minute KSM chops your head off. Why yes let us sheep continue to allow the Radical Muslims to act at will with no repercussion other then to get the cameras into the courtroom to gin up other ANIMALS! Hey tool just go on over to Afghanistan check out how human rights are working and report back….when or if you get back perhaps we will pay a little more attention to human rights….pffft!

nantzin

I work in one.

nantzin

I just try hard to teach them to think for themselves.

As for intellectual betters..?? Really? I just just received one honest response which addressed the point I made. All the rest of the answers were like yours, empty of any real content, just more hot air.

So what is it that you’ve thought so long an hard over? Trying Khalid Sheik Mohammed in NYC? That was just announced, so could you have thought long and hard about this?

Stick to arguments and people will see Republicans can be listened to again and Democrats and the country will be better off for it.

nantzin

Excuse the typo.

nantzin

Nothing special or weird.

Khalid Sheik Muhammed is most certainly an abomination of a man, but if we don’t try him according to our laws we stoop closer to his level, and personally, I want to maintain the high ground as should our country and our government.

http://www.ssce.net/Web-Articles/Web-articles-indexed-authors.html#authors-l JLenardDetroit

dismissed but too Thick to see we’re just toying (having fun at your expense).

Hinds, rather than Heinz, because you …. never mind…. most folks will get the reference.

We grow tired of all the Politically Brain-deads that pass down their “feigned sophistication” to unsuspecting and defenseless children (Indoctrination).

http://hillbillypolitics.com Steph C

Seriously, the fact that your diatribes must make some sense to you, one has to wonder about the quality of anything. For an educator you don’t seem too bright.

Independent thinking is weak as well considering that you’ve done nothing but spout talking points and sound bytes which have been heard before and read in practically any newspaper you care to pick up.

More lazy thinking from the “educated” is more like it.

http://www.ssce.net/Web-Articles/Web-articles-indexed-authors.html#authors-l JLenardDetroit

but you know that….. Another Politically Brain-dead Sleeper-Moby. If they’d use their brains once in awhile rather than over-exercise their knee-jerks.

mschmitt

Doesn’t move much, but still let’s you get a couple of clean shots in while the mods are out to coffee.

http://www.ssce.net/Web-Articles/Web-articles-indexed-authors.html#authors-l JLenardDetroit

There was/is plenty of it here in this Diary Thread (much, complete with cross-reference to to supporting thought, history, etc, to point out how/why it is the “intelligent” analysis – while you focus on just the anal) that you have chosen to just completely ignore.

http://www.ssce.net/Web-Articles/Web-articles-indexed-authors.html#authors-l JLenardDetroit

We can Parrot too … lol

Nope, “you” don’t talk about it…. just embed it…. It is in any “Educator” (or Hollywood Writer, Producer, “Talent,” etc; MSM “reporter;” etc) with the Leftist bent… it just oozes out without conscious thought. When called on it the rationalization and excuses begin.

nantzin

but the same hold true for conservative educators, of which there are many more than most people admit to.

aesthete

FACT: The US Constitution applies to US citizens. KSM was not an
American citizen, and has not set foot in America since he was caught by the Pakistanis, therefore, the canard about the Constitution is tripe.

FACT: Article 10 of the UN Declaration of Human Rights (I assume that’s what you were referring to) applies only to criminal charges, not military (“in the determination of his rights and obligations and of any criminal charge against him”).

You will likely find another rhetorical plank to defend Pres. Obama’s honor, and if so, I won’t be responding to my comment. Also, please note that I didn’t write this comment because you were civil (as a matter of fact, you generalized about a community that you know little about), but rather, for general consumption.

nantzin

Just because you read and learn makes you not an independent thinker?

I read and learn from both the right and the left. I read the Economist which is libertarian, the NY Times which is left and the LA Times, the Christian Science Monitor and other media outlets.

All I could ask if for some of you to please get out more, read from all sides of an issue and try making reasoned and reasonable arguments fr your own party’s sake, if not for America’s sake.

Achance

Syllogism:
All Lefties are educated.
All educated people think alike.
Therefore, all people who don’t think like Lefties are not educated.

You do the evaluation for logical validity.

http://www.ssce.net/Web-Articles/Web-articles-indexed-authors.html#authors-l JLenardDetroit

I think it could have been put differently…. I don’t think (hope) your intent was how it comes across! (see: respectful/#word-choice)

Leftists, of course, NEVER LEARN regardless. But, if couched as a potential occurrence as a consequence of Leftist actions – you have a point which I touched on elsewhere (a little more carefully) in this thread regarding “NY Courthouse attack” and other comment (“Lib’s War on ~~Terrorism~~ Crimes“) regarding the Lefts failure to learn anything – EVER!!!

aesthete

as well as virtually any positive adjective (“courageous”, “principled”, “caring”, “compassionate”), is simply meant to convey the idea that the recipient of praise is particularly skilled at singing from the choir book.

nantzin

Where’s the “cross-reference to supporting thought, history, etc, to point out how/why it is the ?intelligent? analysis?”

Certainly not in this thread. Maybe in others, but all the article says is that Khalid Sheik Mohammed should not be tried in NYC because…”There have been reports in the past month about another potential terrorist attack disrupted in New York City,” yet I haven’t heard or read of any such report. The rest of the argument is basically “be afraid, very afraid, this could bring another terrorist attack.”

Oh, and then this gem “the White House is going to subject these terrorists to criminal trials in civilian courts. They will get all the due process rights of citizens in court and potentially will be able to get access to material evidence in a civilian court that could reveal intelligence we?d prefer them not to have.”

Why the worry. If he is guilty he is guilty with or without due process rights and will be proven so and sentenced. If there is any intelligence that might be revealed it was because he was given that intelligence by his inept interrogators who shouldn’t have, but I doubt this is the case.

The trial of Abd al-Rahim al-Nashiri, for planning the bombing of the USS Cole is another matter because that crime was not committed on US soil. The World Trade Center attack was, thus the trial in NYC, the site of the attack.

Then this “fact”: “So, the man who blew up New York gets a civilian trial and the guy who blew up the Cole gets a military tribunal.” Why yes, of course.

Then an assertion of this “Perhaps” being a show trial. Show me the evidence of this.

And then this ridiculous addition to the asserttio stated as if were to really happen like this: “If we?re talking show trials, this is more and more evidence of the Obama Administration developing all the characteristics of a third world kleptocracy or totalitarian regime.”

With this kind of “historical analysis and facts” it’s no wonder Republicans are so far on the out and out.

http://www.ssce.net/Web-Articles/Web-articles-indexed-authors.html#authors-l JLenardDetroit

unStill, I think that smagars word choice was fairly carefully selected/made. Lib’s deserve for their policies to put them out of their jobs, but it is not something I would tend to admit to thinking (at times) in print (this exception, not-with-standing). There is another post here-in (unfortunate verbage where the words were not so carefully chosen, violence reference, but in either case (here with mistersnark and/or aesthete) could be dealt with a little more politely (the later anyway, a regular, with the former (you know, occasional bad day thing) I don’t know anything about and don’t want to go Troll-anoid with all the other Trolls/Mobies we are seeing).

mschmitt

Achance

rather than simple trolling: the toothpaste cannot be put back in the tube. An irrevocable decision is made when one decides to deal with things under the laws of war rather than US civilian criminal law. That is the whole idea on Comrades Obama and Holder’s parts. None of these front rank terrorist operatives CAN be convicted in a US criminal court. The matter will never see a jury. But the discovery and motion process will allow the ACLU lawyers working on behalf of the terrorists to put the Bush Administration, the CIA, and the US Military on trial. This is what Comrades Obama and Holder want to do themselves but don’t have the courage to do so; they like flying around in AF 1 and having the big chairs.

These terrorists should simply have been shot on sight and doing so would not have violated the Geneva Convention. Terrorists and irregulars are the lowest form of life under the laws of war and aren’t even entitled to the ritual cigarette and blindfold; you just shoot them. President Bush was too sensitive to the delicacy of people like you and treated them far too humanely and now Comrades Obama and Holder are setting the stages for some little pissant country to try to bring war crimes charges against Administration figures, CIA operative, and US soldiers. Hope you’re enjoying your treasonous hope’n change.

mschmitt

Typically people who refer to the political expedience of the “Right” when it comes to 9/11 victims are full, un-watered down, troll.

nessa

I read Citizen Soldiers again after reading a few of the comments on this and other threads about KSM and his new-found rights as a citizen. Its a damn shame we didn’t deal with them the same way as our WW II predecessors.

http://www.ssce.net/Web-Articles/Web-articles-indexed-authors.html#authors-l JLenardDetroit

shows it’s all Stupidity and zero “good faith!”

and is probably about time we stop bothering to allow the attempted Troll-jack.

The “reasonable” folks have plenty here-in to read and make an actual “thoughtful” understanding of the STUPIDITY of the Liberal positions.

Nantzin, you are again DISMISSED!
The “hinds” [sic] Rule, as in you keep demonstrating what a hind-side you are.

Achance

Most all the people I’ve ever know who read The Economist, or kept it on the coffee table, and who weren’t in private business at a high level, just had it because it was supposed to mark them as sophistocates. In fact, a whole more Economists get used for coffee table decoration and snob appeal than ever get read beyond maybe the cover story.

Achance

of typing here during the commercials.

http://www.ssce.net/Web-Articles/Web-articles-indexed-authors.html#authors-l JLenardDetroit

is it OK if we are not disappointed that Nadir Hasan[chop] is paralyzed (hearing reports, not sure this is accurate yet)??? “Don’t mourn” (or feel bad) over “celebrate” – again, I can understand peeps not wanting us to go too far! But, again also, I don’t think Smagar stepped over the previous one, but the one down-thread was “unfortunate word-choice”. However….

Unfortunately he’ll have to force some actual Patriotic American to wait on the b……. hand and foot. But he, hopefully, may sit/lay around in his own bodily waste (no hurry/bother to rush to help). Long times having water raining down on him, no water-boarding just “The Shower” (left unattended “accidentally” until the water runs long COLD). you get the idea.

Actually, I do hope the reports are wrong and that he will be fine – until such time as his Life is taken via Death-penalty. I want him to get around on his own so, like I said, no-one has to be bothered with him.

How long is it going to be though that a Mumbai (attack on NY, TX, where-ever, courthouses) style assault doesn’t happen here to Free or Martyr one, some, all, of these ~~Criminals~~ TERRORISTS!?!?!? The Left seems content on doing everything but creating an open Invitation via posting on an Al-Qaeda website.

http://www.ssce.net/Web-Articles/Web-articles-indexed-authors.html#authors-l JLenardDetroit

between their running to the Left Talking points sites they can cut/paste from, they wander on to somewhere else (sub-threads) they can ignore the challenge to their thoughtlessness.

http://hillbillypolitics.com Steph C

what exactly? How to parrot talking points?

Reading comprehension is a little weak, too, considering you decided I said something I didn’t say and ignored what I actually did say.

The problem is the only reasoned reasonable argument you want to hear or read is one that says you’re right. If we make reasoned arguments you will merely turn them around into something tehey were never meant to be because your aim is to ridicule and marginalize.

Besides, you haven’t presented a rational argument to which anyone can respond. Talking points are not a good start to a reasoned reasonable debate.

DONTREADONME

just like what we do to our upstanding citizens. BTW would could execute him another of ways that will be painfull.

Achance

or thereabouts. They’ve sentenced quite a few to death since then but they haven’t executed the execution. I think that Death Row in a military prison is pretty much as safe as death row in a CA prison, maybe moreso.

http://www.ssce.net/Web-Articles/Web-articles-indexed-authors.html#authors-l JLenardDetroit

Given I’ve made far too many of my own lately and not caught them in a quick preview before posting – I’m a tad sensative to that/this lol. Where is that blasted spell-check button again? [grumble] lol

Rest assured Trolls/Mobies – we will eventually find out from whom/where the obvious email call (to wit-less-ness) went out to wake you all up!

http://www.ssce.net/Web-Articles/Web-articles-indexed-authors.html#authors-l JLenardDetroit

I understand, from the reports thus far. His Defense-team seems to think the “thought” (news) will drum up sympathy from anyone other than the normal/usual ACLU, other Lefty-loon Anti-America crowd, types.

Scope

so I am thinking that no feeding tube is necessay, but, a bag at the other end would be. How about we pull the bag, close the hole, and, let him croak from toxis building up in his body from his own “crap.”

nessa

They could contract it out rather than subject Soldiers to that. I know a couple contractors who would put in some low bids to pull the trigger on KSMs Firing Squad. What do you say DTOM?

Scope

n/t

Scope

n/t

Scope

and dismantiling of our Constitution since Obama took office. Have you not been aware that many many judges have been appointed according to their ACLU rating? If you think the WH and the House and Senate have moved left radical, who do you think helped them to get there? Remember , many of them have life-time appointments.

Scope

and dismantiling of our Constitution since Obama took office. Have you not been aware that many many judges have been appointed according to their ACLU rating? If you think the WH and the House and Senate have moved left radical, who do you think helped them to get there? Remember , many of them have life-time appointments.

Lisa in Maryland

He wants to draw attention away from health care–so the Senate can ram it down our throats with reconciliation and put Bush and Cheney on trial indirectly at the same time. This guy is a real piece of work–I don’t think the Independents (votes he would need to keep) are going to fall for it and they are starting to get buyers remorse.

http://www.ssce.net/Web-Articles/Web-articles-indexed-authors.html#authors-l JLenardDetroit

God, I hate that BS prhase…. As ALL Conservatives are compassionate. We, of course, want to HELP all in the real senses of Compassion rather than the Liberal subservant/dependency warped senses of that word and ‘The Greater Good’ (distortions)/
Religion (excuse for Liberal Govt. expansion) (see too: Render unto Caesar (completely misunderstood by Liberals).

Sorry, hot-button for me.

Scope

healthcare may be going down in the Senate, who knows. Almost everything Obama has decided/promised has come with an expiration date. The public backlash to send them to NY will be harsh, but, it cannot be the focus.

Scope

healthcare may be going down in the Senate, who knows. Almost everything Obama has decided/promised has come with an expiration date. The public backlash to send them to NY will be harsh, but, it cannot be the focus.

Scope

sorry I didn’t relay that in my message.

Scope

sorry I didn’t relay that in my message.

mschmitt

http://www.ssce.net/Web-Articles/Web-articles-indexed-authors.html#authors-l JLenardDetroit

again, a hot-button for me — and provides yet another example of how things can be mis-read (tone) (and passion, snark, and/or bad-day – though more passion because touchy hot-button for me).

My apologies my friend

http://www.ssce.net/Web-Articles/Web-articles-indexed-authors.html#authors-l JLenardDetroit

and on the same page as best I can tell – I was just responding to/with you in relation to the other person. There are a few mis-reads and IMO over-reactions because of them (on all sides). Not that smagar needs anyone to defend him, but again – I do NOT think he stepped too far, but I can easily see how it could be misrread by (fellow Conservatives, let alone the Lefty-fringe Trolling today) and I think he over-reacted to another regular-RedStater in some respects (another part of the sub-threads). Another person came off as almost “promoting violence” elsewhere, and we don’t need to feed that. The Mod’s Blammed the trouble making Trolls. So, it’s all good (aside from these occassional minor misunderstandings) – IMO anyway! Not that my opinion is worth a hill-of-beans lol. Take care friend.

http://www.ssce.net/Web-Articles/Web-articles-indexed-authors.html#authors-l JLenardDetroit

both the Terrorists and their Liberal sympathizers, in my darker side, but my better “Good-nature” and will toward others has me biting my tongue to not post…. I just don’t want us to be as bad as those Leftist clowns and give them ammo to run to the DailyKook and/or HuffPooPoo to mis-quote and distort context. You know their MSM allies want nothing more than to have a new Angry Mob script to play up rather than put on Trial the Terrorists!!!! Those Trolls/Mobies are just here to bait us!

http://www.ssce.net/Web-Articles/Web-articles-indexed-authors.html#authors-l JLenardDetroit

I want 5 snipers to line him up….

1 to the throat, so he can’t cry out for help
2 more, one into each shoulder to eliminate arm use
2 more, one into each knee, so he can’t really move around

and then all of them to leave him there to BLEED TO DEATH

and here I was trying to keep biting my tongue to not be overtly ill toward someone else being forced to suffer… I’ll make an exception in this case!

I wonder how many ot these sub-posts we’ll be reading on DailyKooks late?. Yes loons, we know you’re here Trolling to pull our thoughts out of context at your looney-bins.

http://www.ssce.net/Web-Articles/Web-articles-indexed-authors.html#authors-l JLenardDetroit

mschmitt

If we are doing the “civilian” approach to terrorism this time around (because it worked so well for the Clinton administration), we could always kill two birds with one stone and allow NYC to auction off the right to punish him. What do you figure, they could get 8 figures pretty easy, right?

JadedByPolitics

is to blow their brains out on the spot and when our country is safe and sound WE can go back to “holding our heads” up…..I really despise you weak bleeding heart liberals because I know you are NOT the ones fighting for America!

http://www.the41stvote.org rcov092

instead of getting all exercised, why don’t you grab a truckload of 4 year-olds and make them recite your Odes to Obama on Youtube. No doubt, you too admire Mao as one of the great philosophers. (Despite the 90 million Chinese that died under his regime)

http://www.the41stvote.org rcov092

you get reasoned logical argument here versus the venomous, bile you see over at Daily KOS and Huffpo.

http://www.the41stvote.org rcov092

bringing a terrorist, captured on foreign soil who planned an act of war against us, brought here to face a civilian court. I suppose in your eyes, Roosevelt should be put on trial for the heinous act of trying Nazi sabotours in a Military Tribunal and promptly executing them?

http://www.ssce.net/Web-Articles/Web-articles-indexed-authors.html#authors-l JLenardDetroit

Nothing… Nowhere… says we confer onto non-citizens (especially WAR CRIMINALS) Constitutional Rights — Non-Citizens are bound by INTERNATIONAL LAW and/or Treaty agreements.

Richard Mullins

and since he’s not a citizen, he was never bound by the constitution anyways. BTW, your defense is seems to be on the line of Ron Paul defense(stuck on stupid).

Flagstaff

http://www.the41stvote.org rcov092

does not require trials for eevery offence…

it states :

,blockquote>Article 10.

* Everyone is entitled in full equality to a fair and public hearing by an independent and impartial tribunal, in the determination of his rights and obligations and of any criminal charge against him.

Interestingly enough, followers of Islam seem to have a real problem with the treaty.

They reject the Declaration as not being in confomrance with Muslim Law.

From Wikipedia
blockquote>
Islamic criticism

Some Islamic countries have criticized the Universal Declaration of Human Rights for its perceived failure to take into the account the cultural and religious context of Islamic countries.[citation needed] In 1982, the Iranian representative to the United Nations, Said Rajaie-Khorassani, articulated the position of his country regarding the Universal Declaration of Human Rights, by saying that the UDHR was “a secular understanding of the Judeo-Christian tradition”, which could not be implemented by Muslims without trespassing the Islamic law.[24] On 30 June 2000, Muslim nations that are members of the Organization of the Islamic Conference[25] officially resolved to support the Cairo Declaration on Human Rights in Islam,[26] an alternative document that says people have “freedom and right to a dignified life in accordance with the Islamic Shari?ah”.[27] It is important to acknowledge that there are many voices within Islam and Shari’a law can be and is interpreted variously by different Islamic jurists. The voiced opposition against the UDHR needs to be taken within that context. Religion, culture and politics are intertwined, the position of women and the lack of due legal process in many Islamic societies can not be entirely attributed to the application of Shari’a.

Thus your demand to impose the Declaration on them, they consider an affront and a violation of their rights.

Third, you yourself accepted in the previous comment that this was an act of war, thus it is not penal offense but an act of war and not covered in the Declaration. See how deficient your ability to reason is based on all your leftist education?

Additionally, the Constitution does not authorize congress to pass unconstitutional laws, nor sanction any law they passed just because they could, again you are exhibiting a very poorly formed ability to think critically. Accordingly, I think you are probably confusing “teaching” with indoctrinating.

Flagstaff

First, he has deniability. If things really blow up here before he returns, he can countermand Holder’s decision, say that Holder ‘misunderstood.’ It may not get that bad against him, but if it did, he could.

Second, he doesn’t have to provide quotes for ‘Rapid’ Robert Gibbs, and he doesn’t have to answer any questions himself.

The Ambiguous President strikes again. Is he a coward or simply politically shrewd?

http://www.the41stvote.org rcov092

period, get a life and cast off the shoddy critical thinking skills you developed in your government school.

Besides, tribunals were good enough for the hero of the left Roosevelt, have you forgotten? Oh, riiiight, they do not teach those types of contradictions in NEA run schools.

Flagstaff

SCoS

http://www.the41stvote.org rcov092

proves you were absent throughout law school, or too stoned to understand the premise. KSM was never an alien in this country and will not be until the day he steps foot in NY at the express invitation of Barry Hussein Obama and Eric Holder. Nice try, go back to researching. #Fail.

http://www.the41stvote.org rcov092

on several other threads who make Paultards look brilliant by comparison.

http://www.the41stvote.org rcov092

defending Holders decision to commence the second phase of the 9/11 terroist attack against NYC. They want this trial to be about Cheny and Bush. From their point of view it as the trial of McBush Hitler and Darth Cheney and if you press them they will say KSM who?

http://www.ssce.net/Web-Articles/Web-articles-indexed-authors.html#authors-l JLenardDetroit

Flagstaff

we should.

This is one of either the most stupid or most evil decisions possible by an Attorney General.

Does Holder really believe that only ‘He’ can handle this prosecution without succumbing to the protests of the Left? If so, it is hubris of the highest order. What makes him think the trials will even be over before he leaves office?

By leaving the prisoners outside the US and using military tribunals to try them, Bush did the right thing. He knew that if they got into the US judicial system, anything could happen.

Else, Holder/Obama are doing this intentionally to hurt the US.

Flagstaff

The blamstick is getting a lot of use this weekend.

RIP

ocleverone

and children of illegals DOMICILED within the boundaries of the U.S. jurisdiction.

You should have paid closer attention in school.

Richard Mullins

he spoke(or maybe typed) he was sealing his doom. After a few posts, I knew that a BLAM stick was sure to follow.

ocleverone

He was originally going to be tried at the state of the art facility at Gitmo. Since his trial would be front page news and reporters would be crawling all over the place, it would bring attention to the actual facilities at Guantanamo Bay.

I have read that it is better than any maximum security prison in the United States and the personnel guarding the prisoners do so in a professional and restrained manner.

I think they don’t want light shed on the dirty little secret that we 1) are housing these animals in a hell hole and 2) keeping Gitmo off the radar makes people forget Obama “promise” to close it.

Whatever the reason, I cannot believe the callous stupidity in bringing this scum to be tried in a civilian court within the city still bearing the open wounds from it.

Moronic at best.

mschmitt

nantzin and jverner, in particular, smelled like spy-trolls — honestly wanting us to explain where they misunderstood the case law; so that the next time, the next troll, can attempt to string the words together slightly better, and so on. I wonder if any stimulus money is going into this; if so, I want my dollars for troll training.

mschmitt

You can still whack on nantzin (few threads down stream, the educator of smart, who brought us as one of his first tidings this little gem:

“I completely disagree with Red States position on this and almost every other position Red State has made in its short, inglorious history.”

ocleverone

aesthete

Section 10 of the UN declaration (which I find to be a comically flawed document, anyways) only covers criminal acts. Even if you count 9/11 as such, it’s hard to call his work with the Taliban or his involvement in international terrorism merely “criminal”. Thanks for mentioning the Islamic community’s general state regarding the Declaration of HR; it was enlightening and very relevant.

http://www.ssce.net/Web-Articles/Web-articles-indexed-authors.html#authors-l JLenardDetroit

AP: TAMMY WEBBER, Associated Press Writer Tammy Webber, Associated Press Writer ? 46 mins ago

CHICAGO ? The Obama administration may buy a near-empty prison in rural northwestern Illinois to house detainees from Guantanamo Bay along with federal inmates, a White House official said Saturday.

The maximum-security Thomson Correctional Facility, about 150 miles west of Chicago, was one of several evaluated by the Federal Bureau of Prisons, and emerged as a leading option to house the detainees, the official told The Associated Press on condition of anonymity because a decision has not been made.
READ MORE

Yet another way to funnel endless funds to the Chicago area bottomless pit of corruption!

http://www.ssce.net/Web-Articles/Web-articles-indexed-authors.html#authors-l JLenardDetroit

Lawyers for the accused will almost certainly try to have charges thrown out based on the rough treatment of the detainees at the hands of U.S. interrogators, including the repeated waterboarding, or simulated drowning, of Mohammed.
WHOLE AP STORY

The usual tactics — set it up and let it loose!

Leopard1996

The Constitution is not a suicide pact, we don’t confer rights on non-citizen enemies that we are at War against. And every law that is passed by congress needs to conform the consitution. And I blame both sides of the isle, I am not a republican you piece of shit so don’t act like you know me.

And yes I am aware that the constitution can be amedend, but there is a process within the constitution for amending it, and that is what should be used, not laws that fall outside of the confines of the constitution. The generic we have let our federal government get out of control. Now is the time to reign it in.

Flagstaff

Department of Redundancy Department.

http://Inform_This_Mind@yahoogroups.com Wade

It’s a clever way of putting Bush and his admninistration,the CIA and FBI on trial making it obvious that Mohammed is the vicitm.

RS

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