Just like on the campaign trail, no hand over his heart for our national anthem. Guess he doesn’t want to offend the muslim community.

*Sorry, got this and was told it was Veterans Day. It was actually Memorial Day.
Just like on the campaign trail, no hand over his heart for our national anthem. Guess he doesn’t want to offend the muslim community.

*Sorry, got this and was told it was Veterans Day. It was actually Memorial Day.
Not to nitpick, but . . .
Composer_Man Saturday, November 14th at 9:34AM EST (link)This has been a pet peeve of mine for some time.
My grandfather and uncles, who served in the military, have always told me that for civilians, the proper stance during the national anthem is respectfully facing the flag with your hands at your side. It is only correct to put your hand over your heart during the pledge of allegiance.
But perhaps others have been taught differently . . . ?
Of course . . .
Composer_Man Saturday, November 14th at 9:35AM EST (link)Obama is not doing that either.
I've not heard that
gunnerbs Saturday, November 14th at 9:46AM EST (link)I do know that I was taught in the AF to place my hand over my heart when not in uniform. We weren’t taught what civilians were “supposed” to do.
To me, it is more of a repsect thing. I’ve always taught my kids to take their hats off, and place their hands over their heart during the National Anthem, and during the Pledge of Allegiance.
It’s interesting what your grandfather and uncles taught you…but since there is not a law (and should NOT be), then there is room for differing opinions.
Interesting.
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I was always taught it was both.
Jeff Weimer Saturday, November 14th at 9:48AM EST (link)And we used to do it when the flag passed us in a parade, too.
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This should clear it up for you
billyd Saturday, November 14th at 9:53AM EST (link)http://uscode.house.gov/download/pls/36C3.txt
-HEAD-
Sec. 301. National anthem
-STATUTE-
(a) Designation. - The composition consisting of the words and
music known as the Star-Spangled Banner is the national anthem.
(b) Conduct During Playing. - During a rendition of the national
anthem -
(1) when the flag is displayed -
(A) all present except those in uniform should stand at
attention facing the flag with the right hand over the heart;
(B) men not in uniform should remove their headdress with
their right hand and hold the headdress at the left shoulder,
the hand being over the heart; and
(C) individuals in uniform should give the military salute at
the first note of the anthem and maintain that position until
the last note; and
(2) when the flag is not displayed, all present should face
toward the music and act in the same manner they would if the
flag were displayed.
-SOURCE-
(Pub. L. 105-225, Aug. 12, 1998, 112 Stat. 1263.)
-MISC1-
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it might be a pet peeve but it is wrong
Streiff Saturday, November 14th at 11:34AM EST (link)you place your hand over your heart during the National Anthem.
Civilians, if they are veterans, have been allowed to render a hand salute since the law was enacted last summer.
“A man does what he can and endures what he must.”
Right on Streiff!
nessa Sunday, November 15th at 12:23PM EST (link)The veterans groups who pushed for that, AUSA, VFW, American Legion etc, ask that ALL Veterans render the hand salute any time it would have been appropriate while they were in uniform. We need America to know how many of us are out there!
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Didn't know that
SteveLA Sunday, November 15th at 12:49PM EST (link)I didn’t know that, and was taught by my father and others that it was hand over heart when not in uniform. When did this change, not doubting, just did not know that this change in rendering respect had occurred.
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kawaloski'ing...Found it
SteveLA Sunday, November 15th at 12:58PM EST (link)I should have used Google….lazy me.
Department of Veterans Affairs has it.
“WASHINGTON — Veterans and active-duty military not in uniform can now render the military-style hand salute during the playing of the national anthem, thanks to changes in federal law that took effect this month.”
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Pet Peeve
dpaxker Sunday, November 15th at 12:51PM EST (link)The President is COMMANDER IN CHIEF!
If he salutes getting off Air Force One, why not the Flag during the National Anthem?
I believe this photo is a PhotoShop hoax
subrosa Sunday, November 15th at 9:21PM EST (link)First, to answer your question: I am an Air Force retiree. I have always been taught that civilians place their right hand over their heart during the play of the national anthem and when the first U.S. flag goes by in a parade, for instance. I believe the same applies to Taps, but I’m not sure. If I’m in civilian clothes, I will always place my right hand on my heart at a time that I would salute were I in uniform. I might be wrong… but the salute doesn’t hurt.
I first saw this photo on Lucianne on November 12 and took it as accurate because of the source; however, still wanting to validate it, I searched Veterans Day videos of the event where I could isolate the photo. Then I came across Eric’s input saying it was Memorial Day, not Veterans Day. That is when I searched again and came across this amateur video. In the video, the TelePrompter on the right is above the head of the officer on the right - different angle from the above photo, but same location, same ceremony, same time.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=obhNsD5TbJ8
Same military officers and civilian, same position of the flowers, the podium, the officers and civilian - but different angle. If you go to approx 2:10, you see him starting to straighten his arms from having them in front of him, getting ready for the next movement and then they all start saluting around 2:33 and you can clearly see him with his hand on his heart. At no point while the officers are still saluting does he take his hand down. Then around 3:41, you see a woman remove her hand from her heart and then it pans to the dais and they all remove their hand. It is just not believable that he would have, at any point during Taps, removed his hand to assume that pose, then resumed it.
Many people, no doubt, took videos and photos of the event. Easy to PhotoShop O from an earlier stand with hands in front of him and transpose it to the saluting frames. I was taken in because of last year’s flap during the campaign, eager to believe, I guess, that it had happened again:
http://www.truthorfiction.com/rumors/o/obama-salute.htm
Hard to see in this photo.....
makemyday Saturday, November 14th at 9:40AM EST (link)but does he look like he is about to burst into laughter?
When all else fails…….. Shoot!
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What exactly DO they teach about citizenship at Occidental, Columbia, and Harvard?
Jeff Weimer Saturday, November 14th at 9:46AM EST (link)He stands respectfully, but not particularly deferential (to paraphrase a bit of the link below), to symbols that represent the country that elected him as first citizen.
Yet he bows to foreign royalty every single time.
It’s the little things. Those two images starkly illustrate his personal feelings about America’s place in the world - that we are no better than any other country. It used to be that we proudly insisted we were no worse. It’s also one with the “bah on American Exceptionalism.” statement we heard earlier in the year from members of his staff.
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pick one or the other....
loupgarou1317 Saturday, November 14th at 9:53AM EST (link)he needs to do one thing or the other when the anthem is playing….AND STICK TO IT! I have seen photos of both, but he needs to make up his mind (unlikely) and just do it….
this has become an Obama fetish
jacon4 Saturday, November 14th at 9:54AM EST (link)and once started, like during the campaign when he stopped wearing the 9/11 flag pin, is difficult to back away from. he should get a clue, this is not cool, hip, different, etc., it’s disrespectful & for a president to do this, shameful
Civics
pirate55 Saturday, November 14th at 10:00AM EST (link)Unfortunately civics is no longer taught as it was many years ago and I really doubt it was taught to the president while a youngster in Indonesia. Unfortunately for Barack, he IS the President of the United States and what he does WHILE he is President of the United States sets an example to our children and WE NEED TO REMIND HIM of the proper respect both now and later at the ballot box.
they asked him not to salute...
larryp Saturday, November 14th at 10:00AM EST (link)the officer at the base of the helicopter. Just incline the head as
a gesture back at the officer’s salute. Obama is not and has not
been in the military. So he did the head not for about a coupole a weeks and now he is back to saluting.
Keep doing what you are doing. Going great, huh?
I don't know who "they" is
gunnerbs Saturday, November 14th at 11:56AM EST (link)but I disagree with them. When he was sworn in as President, Barack Obama became the Commander in Chief. Salutes should be returned.
Didn’t Bill Clinton return salutes?
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LOL, and let that sink in a minute...
mschmitt Saturday, November 14th at 11:59AM EST (link)The officers told him that there was no need to return a salute.
Caveat: that is, if true, seems phony to me. nt
mschmitt Saturday, November 14th at 11:59AM EST (link)Well that is false because I have seen The Won salute...
JadedByPolitics Saturday, November 14th at 12:02PM EST (link)the military when he is going onto Marine One…..so he has done and CHOSE NOT to this day like the coward he is!
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Unfortunate TelePrompter locations
techsan Saturday, November 14th at 10:04AM EST (link)n/t
In the end, all we have on our side of the debate are facts and history.
Even the teleprompter salutes...
Erick Brockway Saturday, November 14th at 11:30AM EST (link)better and more often.
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The teleprompter kept urging...
mschmitt Saturday, November 14th at 11:38AM EST (link): PLEASE PLACE HAND
OVER YOUR HEART!!! :
… and so he (naturally) crossed both hands over his groin.
Well it did ask him to put the hands over the heart
Richard Mullins Saturday, November 14th at 11:53AM EST (link)but unfortunately his heart isn’t in the same place as us. That’s all I have to say on that.
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Now that's funny
gunnerbs Saturday, November 14th at 11:56AM EST (link)I don’t care who you are!
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if true, his hands would be on his hind-side then
JLenardDetroit Saturday, November 14th at 4:15PM EST (link)Lefty loons have their Brains in one cheek and Heart in the other - why they always sit on their hands rather than react/do-anything.
All par for the course….
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Meanwhile, troop morale is down in Afghanistan
E Pluribus Unum Saturday, November 14th at 10:04AM EST (link)I’m sure it’s just a coincidence that their commander-in-chief is an America-hating douche bag.
Carthago delenda est
I read the
Wayne Sunday, November 15th at 11:54AM EST (link)AP article on “troop morale” yesterday and, I have trouble with the conclusions the AP reached, The AP claimed that morale of the individual soldier was high, but unit morale was lower. I can see a bit of that, there’s always the “my unit sucks” mindset out there in a few soldiers.
AP also claims that levels of “depression, anxiety and PTSD were “about the same” as 2007 levels but twice those of 2005. But those levels went down in Iraq. No kidding, when the war heats up, soldiers get anxious? Wow, thanks for the heads-up, AP.
I know the AP didn’t want to, but they actually make the case for a “Surge” in Afghanistan, if you can severely limit the effectiveness of the terrorists, morale goes up, not down. Wonder if anyone in the White House can help the Bower in Chief connect those dots?
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That's a good observation
E Pluribus Unum Monday, November 16th at 8:18PM EST (link)A good case for a “Surge” in Afghanistan. Whether or not the Obamanistas recognize it or not, they’re not looking to win there anyway. A Surge, winning, troop morale, are all just minor variables in their political calculation.
Carthago delenda est
It is obvious
sloeride Saturday, November 14th at 10:10AM EST (link)He doesn’t want Bill Ayers to make fun of him. Rubes and hicks show respect. Barry is too smart to have to need to respect anything.
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meanwhile, Obama manages to bow to the emperor
jacon4 Saturday, November 14th at 10:15AM EST (link)http://www.drudgereport.com/
I'm sure that Gibbs will tell us
gator_hoo Saturday, November 14th at 10:48AM EST (link)He wasn’t really bowing to the emperor, he just looking for a lost contact lens.
I AM SICK !!!!!!!!
lewincolorado Saturday, November 14th at 10:52AM EST (link)You beat me to it ! I guess he tripped again . This guy is truly unbelievable !! http://latimesblogs.latimes.com/washington/2009/11/obama-emperor-akihito-japan.html
This guy seriously needs an etiquette coach...
mschmitt Saturday, November 14th at 11:25AM EST (link)That’s not just a bow — it’s practically groveling. Maybe it doesn’t have quite the punchline, but in the realm of non-verbal expression, this would be the equivalent of “I am a jelly donut” x10 (of course, unlike JKF, Obama actually did it).
In another world/time..when Queen Elizabeth II...
larryp Saturday, November 14th at 4:40PM EST (link)visited in Virginia, Betsy Harriman curtsied to her. TheProtocol expert at the State Dept said that Americans don’t curtsey or bow to Royalty…
He bows to the world, but is unmoved by the
throwback59 Saturday, November 14th at 11:00AM EST (link)symbols of his own country. Disgraceful.
If his aides want him to show repect or be defferential during the Pledge or National Anthem perhaps they should simply place a mirror in front of him.
First hand account
rainbowstate Saturday, November 14th at 11:07AM EST (link)Strange, but this guy didn’t come to the conclusion that Obama hates America, the flag or soldiers killed in action. Then again, the NY Daily News is a known leftist rag … right?
http://tr.im/EWVX
Strange, but *I* came to the conclusion that you do. nt
mschmitt Saturday, November 14th at 11:27AM EST (link)G'bye
Neil Stevens Saturday, November 14th at 11:44AM EST (link)Shill for The Leader elsewhere.
Want to run for conservatives? Give.
There Is No Crisis
It's known as the Obama...
Erick Brockway Saturday, November 14th at 11:11AM EST (link)“Crotch Salute”
Not to worry though, he’s since been see with his hand over his heart.
Or, that was the Russian National Anthem…sorry.
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Erick, the words and the music of the Russian National Anthem are familiar to him
Richard Mullins Saturday, November 14th at 11:21AM EST (link)so I guess that’s why he would put his hand over his heart for that.
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Nas k torzhestvu kommunizma vedyot! nt
mschmitt Saturday, November 14th at 11:40AM EST (link)Didn't he do the same...
clement Saturday, November 14th at 12:10PM EST (link)for some country in Africa. He places his hand over his heart for the anthem of every country but ours it seems.
Maybe the anthem seemed to be close to the Russian National Anthem
Richard Mullins Saturday, November 14th at 12:15PM EST (link)so I guess that makes homage to whom he actually believes.
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I remember now It was Ghana -nt-
clement Saturday, November 14th at 12:38PM EST (link)He would Salute if there were a UN anthem
JLenardDetroit Saturday, November 14th at 4:19PM EST (link)or perhaps in the “Land Of His Father”
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The salute thing he doesn't enven get right.
Deskpilot Saturday, November 14th at 11:36AM EST (link)The hand over heart is BOTH the National Anthem AND the Pledge of Allegiance. The salute, started by Ronald Reagan, is a gesture of RETURNING a salute rendered by a junior to a senior.
Reagan believed that returning the salute of the Marine and Air Force One crews was a mark of respect of their offered salute to the Commander in Chief.
Obamination got it wrong on his midnight PR flight to Dover AFB. He saluted a passing flag. Only those in uniform salute a passing flag, That should have been a placing hand over heart moment.
And don’t get me starting on the BOWING thing. I am SICKENED!
He keeps rebuffing ANY sense of respect that I might be so inclined to raise for him.. Stick a fork in that idea.
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Streiff Saturday, November 14th at 11:37AM EST (link)he probably thought saluting himself was pretentious.
“A man does what he can and endures what he must.”
Bulls eye, Streiff. nt
mschmitt Saturday, November 14th at 11:46AM EST (link)Even in China...
Erick Brockway Saturday, November 14th at 11:39AM EST (link)The red outnumbers the blue.
Hmmm, another “crotch salute”, must be playing the US National Anthem.
Where’s Obama’s Chicom earflap hat?
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Once again, Obama has that robotic grin going
Richard Mullins Saturday, November 14th at 11:41AM EST (link)it even makes it to China. It’s very scary to have him do it.
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It's like "Westworld" -nt
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I'm now taking the BSG defense and considering that our President
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westworld...exactly. Or the Stepford Wives.../nt
larryp Saturday, November 14th at 4:51PM EST (link)Is that photo a "photoshop" or real?/nt
larryp Saturday, November 14th at 4:48PM EST (link)How do you respect a man that doesn't respect his own country<nt>
gekster Saturday, November 14th at 11:39AM EST (link)A political party cannot be all things to all people.
It must represent certain fundamental beliefs which must not be compromised to political expediency, or simply to swell its numbers.
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That picture of him bowing to the Japanese Emperor......disgusting....NT
USNJIMRET Saturday, November 14th at 12:15PM EST (link)But was it as discusting as this?
mschmitt Saturday, November 14th at 12:25PM EST (link)The leader of the free world bowing to royalty. Disgusting is too light a word -nt
Alberta Saturday, November 14th at 2:14PM EST (link)Sir, my concern is not whether God is on our side; my greatest concern is to be on God’s side, for God is always right.
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Respect?
arrowhead Saturday, November 14th at 12:23PM EST (link)I dont think the man truely reveres or respects our country . I wouldn’t have been surprised if he had his fingers in his ears while saying repeatedly I cant hear you ,I can’t hear you Na ,Na, Na
Our CinC is a despicable POS.
Vegas_Rick Saturday, November 14th at 2:24PM EST (link)We have hundreds of thousands of young Americans in harms way, and this asshat can’t even show respect to the country that they defend.
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Dittos. Nor does he reinforce those in harm's way in Afghanistan
ColdWarrior Saturday, November 14th at 3:17PM EST (link)McCain and more conservative Republicans should have done a lot of things, but one thing they should have made a campaign issue is the fact that this POS refused to reveal anything about his past.
No medical records.
No college and law school applications.
No college and law school transcripts.
No passport records.
No financial records re who financed his education and his overseas travels.
Etc., etc., etc.
I hope the American people, and our Party, learn from this presidency that they must insist that a prerequisite for running for this most powerful elected position on earth is a full-blown release of every scrap of paper about each candidate’s past.
Investigative journalists used to dig into this aspect of every candidate and write articles about any failures to disclose. Of course, other than at Fox News, no such investigative jounalists exist in the Minion Media.
So, the Republican Party has to make the demand. If Barry Soetoro runs for re-election, this time around we must demand that he disclose the information he refused to disclose and, when he refuses again, make it a defining issue.
Thank you.
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Wayne Sunday, November 15th at 12:01PM EST (link)I could never figure out why McCain, and the R’s let him slide on his background. I knew the media would stay away from it, but I was mystified why, other than being “collegial”, McCain didn’t challenge him.
And I agree, a demand for a full disclosure of all records has to be a part of the next campaign.
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It would have been racist to question Comrade Obama's bona fides. nt
Achance Sunday, November 15th at 12:18PM EST (link)In Vino Veritas
link removed
katinahughes1973 Monday, November 16th at 2:56PM EST (link)I thought that it was interesting that the link to http://uscode.house.gov/download/pls/36C3.txt-HEAD-Sec has been removed.
it was linked to in a previous comment it was as follows….
http://uscode.house.gov/download/pls/36C3.txt-HEAD-Sec. 301. National anthem
-STATUTE-(a) Designation. - The composition consisting of the words andmusic known as the Star-Spangled Banner is the national anthem.(b) Conduct During Playing. - During a rendition of the nationalanthem -(1) when the flag is displayed -(A) all present except those in uniform should stand atattention facing the flag with the right hand over the heart;(B) men not in uniform should remove their headdress withtheir right hand and hold the headdress at the left shoulder,the hand being over the heart; and(C) individuals in uniform should give the military salute atthe first note of the anthem and maintain that position untilthe last note; and
(2) when the flag is not displayed, all present should facetoward the music and act in the same manner they would if theflag were displayed.
-SOURCE-(Pub. L. 105-225, Aug. 12, 1998, 112 Stat. 1263.)