I typically see eye to eye with RNC Committeeman Jim Bopp, but we are going to have to agree to disagree on a proposed resolution to be debated at the RNC’s Winter meeting. The media is calling it a “purity test” for Republicans. In essence, candidates would be presented with a list of vaguely worded issues and the RNC would be asked to withhold money from any candidate that disagreed with more than two.
Rome long ago stopped selling indulgences, but conservatives keep right on selling them. Look, for example, at NY-23. The moment Dede Scozzafava signed ATR’s no new tax pledge, she was absolved of all her sins, including voting for 198 tax increases in the New York legislature.
Therein lies the inherent problem with candidates signing off on well meaning pablum — there are no teeth and the party will not serve as its own enforcer.
While I applaud the desire of conservative RNC members to try to put the train back on the tracks, I am afraid this will do what the ATR pledge did in Scozzafava’s case — give a lot of candidates cover to pretend to be conservative. People are naturally inclined to short circuit educational processes. People will look at this list to see if a candidate signed off on the issues. If the candidate did, well by God they must be conservative — never mind their voting record or prior statements. After all, only a week before Scozzafava signed the ATR pledge she was bashing Hoffman for having signed it. Never mind though, all was forgiven once Scozzafava signed it too.
Conservatives in the RNC, however well meaning they may be, risk giving liberal candidates easy opportunities to get conservative endorsements simply by checking the box without ever meaning it.
Compare this to the Contract With America in 1994. That document had ten items that were substantive policy positions heavily poll tested and vetted to make sure something like 70% of the American public agreed with each one. Each statement was popular and therefore did not put candidates in awkward positions with voters, as some of the presently suggested issues do. And while there was no enforcement mechanism there either, there did not have to be — every issue was poll tested, mother approved, and voter supported.
Not so with this. And because this, unlike the Contract With America, might affect funding and seals of approval in the primary process, this becomes far more troublesome.
I would encourage the conservative members of the RNC to let conservatives sort out who is and is not a conservative, as opposed to letting any Dede sign up with no intention of ever living up to the pledge. Besides, the Republican Platform specifically says the GOP is opposed to government bailouts of industry, something the GOP, with a Republican President, pushed through Congress in 2008. If the GOP cannot live up to its own platform adopted at a national convention, it sure as heck won’t live up to any pledge put forward by a group of RNC committeemen.
Actions are far more important than words. We should leave it at that.
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Excellent post. Wholeheartedly agree. NT
RedInABleuState Tuesday, November 24th at 11:12AM EST (link)The people never give up their liberties but under some delusion. — Edmund Burke
It does not require a majority to prevail, but rather an irate, tireless minority keen to set brush fires in people’s minds. — Samuel Adams
Core principals.....yes
clarioncaller Tuesday, November 24th at 7:44PM EST (link)It’s called Core Principals,Those fundiamental principals that members should have if the want the main bodys support.Of course the Republican Party should have them.Would you join a church that didn’t have core principals….would you marry a woman who had no fundiamantals she lived by…would you want you son or daughter to not have principals that guided their life.OUR FOUNDING FATHERS HAD CORE PRINCIPALS THAT WERE EXPRESSED IN THE DECLARATION OF INDEPENDENCE AND THE CONSTITUTION.THOSE ARE THE CORE PRINCIPALS THE REPUBLICAN PARTY SHOULD STAND FOR……PERIOD.
No need for a purity test
ramblinwreck Tuesday, November 24th at 11:16AM EST (link)There’s no need for a resolution like this because there is already one in place. It’s called the Constitution. Let’s use that and quit acting like Democrats.
“Of all tyrannies, a tyranny exercised for the good of its victims may be the most oppressive. It may be better to live under robber barons than under omnipotent moral busybodies. The robber baron’s cruelty may sometimes sleep, his cupidity may at some point be satiated; but those who torment us for our own good will torment us without end, for they do so with the approval of their own conscience.” - C.S. Lewis
Agreed that we don't need a purity test, but for a different reason...
danasdaddy Tuesday, November 24th at 11:53AM EST (link)The RNC won;t enforce “purity” nor can they really. Once a candidate is elected, teh RNC can’t do anything oust them until the next election if they violate their “oath.”
In reality, it is up to us as conservatives to use our time and energy to enforce whatever level of conservative “purity” we think necessary…it’s called doing research and supporting only those candidates who are truly conservative.
“All that is necessary for the triumph of evil is for good men to do nothing.”
- Edmund Burke
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Reagan: Tear down this wall.
Obama: Tear down this country.
But as Conservatives are we a majority?
martyinaz Thursday, November 26th at 1:04AM EST (link)I worry so about the 2010 elections. There are a minority of Democrats in America, but with the Independent vote, we lost in 2004. It happened again in 2008. Now, the Democrats are losing ground because of the Liberal attempt to hoodwink the voters who put them in power. But voters have short memories, and tend to be forgiving if given a few months to cool off. Will a conservative agenda sell this coming November? I’m not sure. I have been a Libertarian for over 40 years. But alas we live in a two party society. So I have had to move to the left of my beliefs and vote Republican. So just how much hardball do we want to play? We could win the battle but lose the war.
Kinda hard Not to
jgault Wednesday, November 25th at 10:55AM EST (link)to be led around by the nose, since the party itself is more like Democrat-light anyway.
I truley belive that if we become a part of the solution and stop being a part of the problem that things will change. Not only in the party but in the country as well.
Once you start to administer the “Purity Test” you might as well kiss off any form of honesty in the system, or being compared to the Nazis.(This is what they did.) I mean really don’t the troll libbys have enough non-facts to complaine about as is.
Unless you are willing to read EVERY canidates record of voting, the system will be ripe for abuse and putting the fix in.
It will allow coruption at every level and allow those that are in charge of adminstering it, to be as courrupt as those we seek to screen out. It will allow them to have more power than any person should have in this party or goverment.
Be a part of the solution, not the problem. Go here http://theprecinctproject.wordpress.com/category/becoming-a-precinct-committeeman-step-by-step to find out how.
If all goes well I shall shortly become a part of the solution and not a part of the problem. Thank you to the person who posted this link several weeks ago.
Pay NO attention to what a politician says
RedBeard Tuesday, November 24th at 11:47AM EST (link)I agree with Erick here. It’s what the politician DOES that matters, and nothing else.
Yes, that makes me a cynic. With good cause.
Standard-bearer for grouchy curmudgeonry since, oh, 1975 or so.
Cynical you?
harlan Tuesday, November 24th at 12:28PM EST (link)Really now. A very large percentage of politicians of all stripes have demonstrated over the years that they cannot be trusted. Period.
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We are only showing good judgment, not cynicism, in recognizing that fact.
Well, I do have my grouchy reputation to maintain here
RedBeard Tuesday, November 24th at 2:33PM EST (link)But you’re quite right. Good judgement involves seeing things for what they are.
And then again, in the case of political malfeasance, we get right back to cynicism.
Standard-bearer for grouchy curmudgeonry since, oh, 1975 or so.
The mantra should be don't watch what I say, watch what I do!
azred Wednesday, November 25th at 11:39AM EST (link)Don’t accept words as anything. They must be vetted for doing what they say. If the proof ain’t in the pudding, the quick boot. Otherwise they can be trusted for one core value, honesty (rare find in DC today).
Next two questions:
Watch how I do it (integrity)
Watch who I associate with (moral character) (BHO actually warned us on this one - but I digress).
May be simple minded, but then and only then, go down the path of a simple Articles of Conservatism, or better yet, Constitutional questionnaire. Signing on is only the first part. Vetting the answers comparable to the actuals will either confirm or out them. The funny thing is they can’t hide from their past.
I agree with thrust of your article
realskinny Tuesday, November 24th at 2:32PM EST (link)Erick. It isn’t that hard to tell who believes in self-government and constitutional limits. A candidate’s past actions and statements are revealing. I do have a problem with your saying the GOP pushed the bailouts through Congress in 2008. The Dems were running things at the time and I believe a smaller proportion of Reps voted for TARP than Dems. Bush went with the stampede but then he kind of phoned things in the second term anyway.
The CSA Constitution had one thing spot on right:
Achance Tuesday, November 24th at 2:51PM EST (link)The CSA President was elected to a six year term and could not succeed himself. At or near the top of a large government, four years is an eternity; government is about a 98-2% operation, two percent of the people do 98% of the work at the policy and decision maker level. It just grinds you down. The wheels come off even skilled administrations at the tail end of a second term. FDR’s marathon literally killed people and not just him.
In Vino Veritas
The presidency is not the problem
jyalai Tuesday, November 24th at 6:37PM EST (link)Congress is. Congress gave the president and his government too much control over our society, and presidents get tired just keeping up with it.
If congress stayed within the constitution, presidents would not get burned out so fast.
For me, it's an admission of RNC that many Reps still don't understand their PARTY principles.
Rod_Patrick Tuesday, November 24th at 2:49PM EST (link)I take your side, EE.
Papers and agreements are nothing. And besides,
PROMISES ARE ALWAYS MEANT TO BROKEN DUE TO OPPORTUNISM.
It always boils down to the INTEGRITY AND HONESTY of the politician.
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To RNC:
Stop this kind of grandstanding.
People can smell whether Mr. X is faithful or infidel to the party principles and to the American people.
Agreed. Good post. [nt]
Bill S Tuesday, November 24th at 6:22PM EST (link)Decorum is fo’ suckas - unless it’s one of the good guys
Litmus tests or single-issue purists are..
conservativemountaineer Tuesday, November 24th at 7:34PM EST (link)wrong. Pure and simple. A candidate will never be 100% of what we want the candidate to be.. unless the candidate is me (you). Here in PA we have Conservatives saying they will NEVER vote for Pat Toomey becuase of (a) his [stupid] statement re; Sotomayor, (b) anything else. (See grassrootspa.com, screen name Dolley_Madison, etc.).
Geez, I understand we need to get on the right track, but…
Some of the purists are threatening 3rd Party… Wow, that’ll really work, won’t it?
I'm what you'd probably call a purist
JHancock Tuesday, November 24th at 9:07PM EST (link)And yes I know no candidate will ever be 100% on all issues that are important to me and other “Pure Conservative Advocates”. However for many of us there are some issues that a candidate must be close to 100% on to vote. For example
1)Abortion: While there is some room for disagreement on abortions for medical reasons, any candidate that is OK with elective abortion won’t get our votes even if it means the death of a political party. Better the death of a party than of our National Conscience. It may take a while, but a second party will always resurface-the second party doesn’t matter however, unless it is the party of Life.
Other matters a candidate need not be 100%, just enough on our side of the isle that no one would ever mistake them for a liberal. For example-entitlements and property rights. I am against socialism in almost all its forms, but also realize that without some tax based spending on things like roads and bridges our society would be difficult to run. Also some “entitlements” like a K-12 education are probably necessary to keep our capitalist “meritocracy” from becoming a caste-system aristocracy. Still someone who is OK with entitlements for the “over 18 and not disabled crowd” with limited exceptions could probably run as a Dem in most areas of the country. My litmus test “If you have to tell someone you are a conservative because they can’t tell you are by your voting record, endorsements, or the company you keep….you are probably not a conservative.”
Scozafava failed on both these counts and thus we couldn’t vote for her even if it resulted in a loss. Why?? Because the point of having two parties is to have a choice on policies. If both sides endorse the same things with only minimal differences then we have no real choice and it would be better for a new party that is actually different to emerge.
Now, I’m not advocating a 3rd party, just some “tough love” to the Republican Party, so they will choose to keep us conservatives and our ideals on the bus instead of under it. However, if our leadership doesn’t fear that we will sacrifice them for our ideology, then they will only tow the conservative line for a few months during election season. If they fear us throwing THEM under the bus, they will likely represent us and our ideals better - lest they lose and represent no-one at all.
Erick Erickson
steve53 Wednesday, November 25th at 6:20AM EST (link)Erick, which issues on RNC Committeeman Jim Bopp’s list concern you?
Liberals are what liberals are
larrymiller Wednesday, November 25th at 7:20AM EST (link)In some ways I have to agree with you on this one as you are subtley making the point I and many others have been making for quite some time. Liberals / progressives (and even sometimes “moderates”, whatever they are) are liars. By their nature, they have to tell us something other than what they have in mind, or we would never see them in office.
Yes, I said liars instead of the politically corrupt speak of saying their statements are not true. We need to drop the PC approach that defangs our evaluations of our opponents.
Donate to Candidates, Not the RNC
seaheather Wednesday, November 25th at 7:39AM EST (link)I stopped donating to the RNC several years ago. I feel much better donating to individual candidates I can feel good about, rather than to the RNC to dole out as they see fit. Why can’t I decide who is “deserving” of my money? I can listen to the candidates and make a decision about which ones I would like to see elected. The RNC continues to send me solicitations. I use their postage-paid envelopes to tell them I have no intention of donating to them, but will support candidates who support my values, without regard to their party.
Karen
Password pain in the butt
iluvit Wednesday, November 25th at 2:03PM EST (link)Why do we have to have such outrageous passwords assigned for this instead or making one of out own. Once we clear the casche we have to go looking for it. I just lost a long post because of this crap because I wrote it before signing in, then it was gone.
Do not paint the whole party with one brush
iluvit Wednesday, November 25th at 2:13PM EST (link)I am so tired of hearing about Republicans being Democrat-lite. If you cannot tell real Republicans from the Democrats that have power, then there is no help for you. The RINOS are a problem, and they must be dealt with, but do not hurt the whole party by blaming the party for everything. The Party did make a big mistake by endorsing in a primary and now seem to have learned a lesson. You would have to be crazy to compare Tom Coburn and Jeff Sessions with the likes of Chuck Schumer and Harry Reid. Not close, not Republican Lite. So stop with the broad brush and tackle the problem children RINOs and get them out of offfice: SNOW, COLLINS; LUGAR; BENNETT; ALEXANDER; GRAHAM; AND YES ORIN HATCH TOO. Snowe, Collins, and Lugar are the worst offenders and should find now home or comfort with the conservatives. Maybe we should all obtain Maine residency and help vote them out next time. (snowe and collins).
As far as signing a committment, I need to see what exactly is in it. I am not opposed to it from what I do know about it. It would not guarantee Republican Party support as I see it, but might help in the initial screening.
Investigation
olddog Wednesday, November 25th at 3:27PM EST (link)is the key to ferreting out the moles, “democrats”, who call themselves Republican, no one can, by our vast diversity of states satisfy every one, but investigation of prior voting records, if available, or who they supported themselves, previously, there are a multitude of ways but the true standard should be the Constitution, including the bill of rights.
By their actions, you will know them, not their words.
Vigilence is the key ,by all, to save our great Country, and our Freedoms.
One Old Dog
Rules
asafsb Wednesday, November 25th at 5:05PM EST (link)First don’t use the word “purity”, too much baggage. Honest people live by the Rules, democrats don’t have “Rules” only situational ethics, which means Lie, Cheat and Steal. They plant their operatives wherever they need them to do their dirty work ie Arlen Specter, Hagel, Olyimpia Snow, Graham etc.etc. These examples are not independant thought or individualism but the Enemy Within. If you doubt this show me examples (more than one) of this in the Democrat Party. YOU CAN’T. ALL 60 Democrats voted to move ‘health care” forward. They vote as a block almost always. If they have more than enough votes to pass a bill they give their members in vulnerable districts the ok to “cya” vote. Democrats know EXACTLY who they run for office. How do the Democrats keep their members in line—–the same way Communists keep their members in line. Their is a very heavy price to pay for democrats who don’t tow the LINE. The Republican Party is no longer viable, there are to many enemy within, within the Party. There is absolutly nothing wrong with having a minimum standard to belong to any organization but they need to weed out the traitors, NOW. Sooner or later you have to use the same tactics as the enemy, THEY SET THE TONE!