Yesterday, in an interview with the St. Petersburg Times, I said in 2010 one of my big targets is the GOP establishment. Yep. It’s being characterized as a civil war. I prefer to think of it as a coup. It is time for the grassroots to take back the party. If a fight is necessary, I’m game for that.
While I was away from my computer most of the day, that statement kind of exploded yesterday.
But what do I mean? It’s pretty simple.
The media narrative every time Republicans lose is not that Republicans lose, but that conservatives lose. Without fail, every election cycle, made worse by John McCain being the 2008 nominee, is that conservatives cannot win. In 2008, the narrative was that conservatives cannot even make it out of the GOP primary.
As often happens, the media narrative when repeated enough starts being treated as fact, particularly among Republican establishment types who crave acceptance in the media. Their thinking is pretty grade school: “Reporter says conservatives can’t win. Therefore I will not be conservative. They will look at me and say ‘winner.’”
Sadly, this attitude has infected the great bulk of the Republican establishment. The only way to change this is for conservatives to win. But this year, unlike most other years, there is a very real problem. The Republican Establishment is out to beat conservatives to make sure once and for all that the media narrative is established fact.
Look at the pattern, led by Rob Jesmer, the Executive Director of the NRSC, who has rallied Senate Republicans to oppose conservatives nationwide:
In Pennsylvania, the GOP went with Arlen Specter over Pat Toomey.
In Florida, it is Crist over Rubio.
In Connecticut, the GOP has stayed neutral as to the moderates in the race, but made clear the conservative is a loser.
In California, it is Fiorina over DeVore.
Across the board, the GOP Establishment is staying neutral between moderates and endorsing moderates over conservatives. In some cases, it is endorsing liberals over conservatives.
The goal is an intentionally orchestrated campaign to defeat conservatives in the GOP primaries and thereby have the establishment take full credit for what we all know is going to be a good year for the GOP in 2010.
However, conservatives have a real opportunity to fight back. From Florida to California to Pennsylvania and more, if conservatives win the primaries the Republican Establishment will be marginalized and totally unable to take credit for the victories. In what will be a good year for Republicans next year, those conservatives will most likely win the general election too. The media and establishment narrative will be crushed.
So yes, there is a very necessary brewing Republican civil war. This should be a banner election year for conservatives. Sadly, it is the GOP Establishment trying to prevent that from happening.
We must fight back. We know conservatives are the base of the party. We know independents are moving our way. We know conservatives can win. We know from Maine to Florida to California to Alaska a pro-entrepreneurial “leave me the hell alone” message can sell. And yet?
The Republican Establishment in charge now is the same Establishment that was there in 2006. It never got replaced. For example, Mitch McConnell has led us from 55 Senate seats to 40 and his record as NRSC Chairman was equally craptacular. Now this man is both trying to beat conservatives in Republican primaries and oppose Obamacare with cute little messaging amendments. These people are only winners because we let them. Not any more.
Conservatives can win if we fight back. Who is with me?
JadedByPolitics
Michael Becker
Ben Domenech
Erick Brockway
I am with you and I tell you Erick you are saying....
JadedByPolitics Thursday, December 10th at 5:16AM EST (link)what I am saying and 40% of us are saying WE are the GOP for goodness sakes that WE are Conservatives first and Republicans SECOND! It is a civil war for the very life of the GOP. WE are DIFFERENT and WE are NOT Dem-lite! Moderates LOSE Conservatives WIN!!!!
Thanks for being on my side of the divide Erick
Whoever has his enemy at his mercy &
does not destroy him is his own enemy
Count me in!
cari Thursday, December 10th at 8:56AM EST (link)Thanks, Erick! I’m with you! My brother, who lives in Austin, is a personal friend on John Cornyn and I told him, “Make sure someone on John’s staff is keeping tabs on Erick Erickson at redstate- his views represent A LOT of people, including me and all the tea partiers in Dallas!” Lead on, Erick, lead on!
No more ScuzzyFuzzy's
stang52 Thursday, December 10th at 9:17AM EST (link)No more ScuzzyFuzzy’s! Time to take back GOP to save the GOP. The good old boys who think they need to be liked to win elections are just fools and have played a big part in why we are in this mess. Just like the RINO’s in the senate who aren’t trying to STOP the destruction of the best health care in the world but trying to make the bill more palpable should all be voted out.
ARE YOU READY FOR A WAR! (nt)
thatsright Thursday, December 10th at 11:08AM EST (link)Russ Cote
http://www.thats-right.com/rapid-fire-rightness/
Down With RINOs and Estab Pubbies
texicanstar Thursday, December 10th at 1:47PM EST (link)It is time to ROCK THIS HOUSE!!!
Conservative First, Republican Second. Find local Republican groups and make your voices heard and I will do the same.
Know what?
idealjoe Thursday, December 10th at 8:45PM EST (link)McCain was always crossing the isle so the Dems could kick his teeth in and could probably could have been beaten by Roger Rabbit. Sarah was the only reason that I voted GOP. Like so many other voters I am sick of career politicians and their lying and cheating, with B.O. the hands down winner of the life time liars award. I am so ashamed that we have such a large number of illiterate, lazy, some thing for nothing voters. People who would sell their vote for a pack of cigarettes. People who contribute nothing and sit on the porch waiting for their welfare check. These are the people in the market who pay for steaks, big hams and 2 cart of groceries with food stamps. They have a cell phone in their ear and a cigarette in their hand. Then they go out and get in a late model car that has $1500 worth of rims.
I see people at the food stamp office with butts that are at least 48 inches wide and they are there to claim they don’t have enough to eat. Then I go home and watch the govt. news media tell us how Americans are the most overweight people in the world. Well HELL!!!
the government is the problem. I don’t blame the people who receive assistance. If some one sticks a check in your face for free money and you don’t take it, you are an idiot.
I’m sorry, I just got carried away. Scripture says if they don’t work, they don’t eat…………I’m done for now………..Joe
Why would ye die?
Now is the Time to Clean House
egonm206 Thursday, December 10th at 5:29AM EST (link)We must expunge the RINOS from the Rep Party, the sooner the better. If not, by 2012 there will be a third, conservative, party ensuring the transformation of America into a de facto Banana Rpublic.
Well WE are not looking to expunge the RINO's....
JadedByPolitics Thursday, December 10th at 5:47AM EST (link)WE are looking to put them in the background as they have US for the past 15 years. WE had a Republican Revolution in 94 and before you know it the damn Republicans had become dem-lite. Conservatives and the Religious Right got them there and they acted as if they were now the same D’s that had it all before.
WE are a big tent however it is the Conservative Revolution that is coming and it is TIME that Conservatives write the legislation that takes apart the Federal Government and REMOVES the opportunity to GAIN from one’s position in the Congress. It is only then that the GOP will have come back to its Conservatives Roots. I think anyone who wants a better understanding of what that means need only listen to Reagan expound on what it means to be a “big tent party”
Michelle tells Newt what a Reagan Conservative is
“A political party cannot be all things to all people. It must represent certain fundamental beliefs which must not be compromised to political expediency, or simply to swell its numbers.
I do not believe I have proposed anything that is contrary to what has been considered Republican principle. It is at the same time the very basis of conservatism. It is time to reassert that principle and raise it to full view. And if there are those who cannot subscribe to these principles, then let them go their way.”
These are the very principles WE MUST get back to so that our country STOPS the onslaught of “progressives”.
Whoever has his enemy at his mercy &
does not destroy him is his own enemy
Thanks for posting the Malkin commentary!
autiger89 Thursday, December 10th at 6:07AM EST (link)Wow, what a great read - I don’t read her commentary as much as I should.
I’m glad she’s on our side.
^5. The RNC leadership needs to be conservative
Old_Crow Thursday, December 10th at 9:41AM EST (link)There’s room for RINO’s, in the back of the bus.
Leadership, policies, and legislation needs be drafted by conservatives.
We want our party back.
“Enlightened statesmen will not always be at the helm.” — James Madison
“So this is how liberty dies.. with thunderous applause” — Star Wars III
I agree with you, Jaded
Kyle-MI Thursday, December 10th at 9:53AM EST (link)We don’t necessarily need to kick RINO’s out of the party or out of office. (We do need to kick them out of leadership.) For example, I think we would be foolish to primary Snowe or Collins. They only have influence because we are in such dire straights. If we can get more conservatives in the GOP then their influence would wain.
Our first priority should be to run conservatives in primaries for open seats in red states. Our second priority should be to run conservatives against Democratic incumbents in red states. Our third priority should be to run conservatives in primaries against incumbent Republicans in red states (i.e. Graham, R-SC). Hopefully we can get enough gains from priorities one and two that we would not need to resort to three that often.
We are a big tent
jyalai Thursday, December 10th at 11:37AM EST (link)If libertarians want to come into our party and support those core conservative principles that they agree with, they can come in and do that.
If Log Cabin Republicans want to come into the party and support those core conservative principles that they agree with, they can come in and do that.
If conservative democrats (they would have to change party affiliation of course) want to come into our party and support those core conservative principles that they agree with, they can come in and do that.
The thing that must remain the same are the core conservative principles that makes America stand out from the rest of the world. Individual liberty and responsibility, markets free from government manipulation, limited government, fiscal responsibility, family values, respect for the common man and what he is capable of (and woman).
Who's the rino?
writeblock Thursday, December 10th at 6:53PM EST (link)Rudy should have been our candidate in ‘08. He had a record of real reform, a record of smashing bureaucracies and entrenched interests, of lowering taxes and lowering crime and supporting the war on terror. He was a Reaganite through-and-through and was known as a strict constructionist while he worked under Reagan. He was also a real achiever, not just an all-talk blatherer like most politicians. But he a blue state pol and just not pure enough to suit many wedge-issue social conservatives. To them he was a rino. Yet he polled stronger than any other Republican against Obama and Hillary. He polled strongly in blue states like NJ and CT and in purple states like OH and PA. But that wasn’t deemed an important enough factor by the purists among us.
Another example of conservative myopia was the Toomey affair. Sure Specter was preferred to Toomey the first time around. But Bush and Santorum needed to keep the Senate in GOP hands and eventually did so by only one vote. Specter was a sure thing at the time, Toomey was polling much more weakly, especially in the Philadelphia suburbs. More importantly, Specter would be chairman of the Judicial Committee. Bush and Santorum made a deal with Specter before the election–and Specter kept his part of the deal when he won and assumed the chair. That was how we got Roberts and Alito through the Senate–and kept the conservative majority on the Supreme Court. Yet pro-lifers in PA never forgave Santorum for what they considered his betrayal and went for Casey in a big way. Yet it was Santorum who deserves their praise because he strategized successfully to get conservative justices approved by the Senate.
So it’s not always a simple choice. Sometimes the perfect is the enemy of the good. Rudy was the right choice in ‘08, not Huckabee or Romney or Hunter or Tancredo. He could have won–and would have put a strict constructionist on the S.C. and turned this country’s economy around. And Specter was the right choice in ‘04–because by backing him we kept the Senate and thus got two conservative justices on the S.C. bench.
It's always a simple choice - when you don't know enough. nt
Achance Thursday, December 10th at 7:04PM EST (link)In Vino Veritas
Yes we do
idealjoe Thursday, December 10th at 8:59PM EST (link)have several women in the conservative movement that have brains, courage and looks (no disrespect to Nancy P. as in pathetic) and though I normally feel safer with a man in charge, I think that America’s Margaret Thatcher may well be ready to step forward. In fact we might be able to choose at least 4 that I could easily vote for.
Why would ye die?
RedState PAC has a nice ring to it!
strikeeagle Thursday, December 10th at 5:40AM EST (link)Erick you would spend my money better than anyone I’ve seen in both Primaries and Generals.
I agree with strike eagle....Redstate PAC....
JadedByPolitics Thursday, December 10th at 5:48AM EST (link)DO IT
Whoever has his enemy at his mercy &
does not destroy him is his own enemy
There are already some good conservative PACs out there
Kyle-MI Thursday, December 10th at 9:58AM EST (link)No one should be donating directly to the GOP. Give to individual candidates or to conservative PACs or bundlers. For example, I think the Club for Growth is one of the most effective conservative groups out there. I wish someone could establish a similar group to promote social conservatives.
Social conservatives need to clarify what they want from the government
jyalai Thursday, December 10th at 12:13PM EST (link)We (I speak as a social conservative) need to make sure we do not deliver the message that Huckabee delivered in 2008. He attempted to marry social conservatism to a form of socialism. Government will right all the wrongs of society.
Social and fiscal conservatives must understand that they are married at the hip on the issue of limited government. We do not want government interfering ecnomically or socially in our lives. Reducing the role of government, especially at the state and federal level is paramount to both fiscal and social conservatives.
Social conservatives must stand up and say no. The government is not the one to answer these social questions. We want the government to stay out. Instead, we who are socially conservative must engage our civil society directly and convince them of the rightness of these principles.
I like what The Manhattan Declaration does in making the statement that regardless what government does, we will not change our principles. It isn’t about government. It’s about what is true, noble, good, and right within our society. As social conservatives we want limited government so we have the widest platform to make our case.
5 nt
aesthete Thursday, December 10th at 4:18PM EST (link)“Yet it is very certain that [the Commerce Clause] grew out of the abuse of the power by the importing States in taxing the nonimporting, and was intended as a negative and preventive provision against injustice among the States themselves, rather than as a power to be used for the positive purposes of the General Government, in which alone, however, the remedial power could be lodged.”
-James Madison
For a long time the Rino's blurred the distinctions between the two parties
kyle8 Thursday, December 10th at 6:28AM EST (link)They pandered to conservatives and libertarians whenever they needed to because they knew they had to have our votes. But they never really were serious about stopping runaway government.
But Obama has changed all of that. Now you MUST either be for big government or against it. As the Leviathan grows and chokes off all commerce, there is now no place to hide if you are in the wishy washy middle. You are revealed to be either for America or against her.
It is like the passage in the Bible. God is winnowing the sheep from the goats, the wheat from the tares. The Rino’s searched for a place to hide but none was found.
“Nothing works like freedom, Nothing succeeds like liberty”
Kyle
Founder's Dilemma
sidburgess Thursday, December 10th at 8:49AM EST (link)Right, because none of our founder’s were on the fence about government’s scope, structure, and balance.
Federalists and Anti-Federalists?
May I remind those of you who are passionate about kicking the Federalists out that, Federalists were the first Republicans.
Don’t care that you don’t want to be a Republican, but quit saying that those who are for any government are for big government.
Peace.
OMG you are a fool !
kyle8 Thursday, December 10th at 9:33AM EST (link)Hey genius, HAVE YOU SEEN THE SIZE OF THE DEFICIT! Have you seen what the Democrats are doing to the healthcare industry? Have you seen their plans for energy? Have you seen what they have done to agriculture in California? Have you wakened from your slumber?
No, my friend, if you are not actively opposed to federal government right now then you are not part of the solution you are part of the problem and we are going to roll right over you.
Quite frankly if you are a big spender Rockefeller republican or you think that Bush and the Senate Republicans did a good job, then we don’t need you are want you in the party anymore, There is a party for people who beleive in big centralized government, it is called the Democratic Party, go, join your masters.
“Nothing works like freedom, Nothing succeeds like liberty”
Kyle
craziness
streiff Thursday, December 10th at 9:48AM EST (link)I don’t actively oppose the federal government because I am an American citizen who believes in the Constitution. A document which, oddly enough, establishes the federal government.
“A man does what he can and endures what he must.”
The federal takeover of non-Constitutionally mandated/allowed powers, on the other hand... nt
mschmitt Thursday, December 10th at 9:53AM EST (link)usque ad finem
that wasn't the subject
streiff Thursday, December 10th at 10:49AM EST (link)of the post I was commenting on.
“A man does what he can and endures what he must.”
All he said was:
gekster Thursday, December 10th at 9:54AM EST (link)Don’t care that you don’t want to be a Republican, but quit saying that those who are for any government are for big government.
You took it out of context, and then belittled him.
So much for the “Civility” diary the other day.
We are there in the various Tea Party groups, leaderless, but not rudderless.
We steer always toward the Constitutional principles this nation was founded upon.
Erick Brockway
Freedom is the goal. The Constitution is the way.
Beaglescout
Every deer hunter in Michigan still likes to take a shot at a squirrel, rabbit, troll, or even a tribble every now and then.
Conservatives are federalists
jyalai Thursday, December 10th at 12:25PM EST (link)We aren’t nationalists. We believe that our great country was founded on the federal joining of a collection of sovreign states. There is a role for federalism as outlined in our constitution. If we stick to the constitution, we will do just fine.
Our problem is with power brokers on the federal level (e.g. EPA, congress, etc.) who deny the limitations put on the constitution by its founders and the people who voted for it.
SOME Conservatives are federalists, and
nycenterright Thursday, December 10th at 12:46PM EST (link)And then on the other hand you have people who support a constitutional amendment to ban gay marriage, nationwide bans on marijuana and other drugs, nationwide bans on abortion, federal bans on online gambling, federal regulation of television and movie content, or the disaster that was Terry Schiavo (”This is a federal issue now because we don’t like the decision that Florida made.”)
And even from the Conservatives who are USUALLY federalists we hear NOTHING about, for example, the federal government dictating things like speed limits and the drinking age to the states.
Which is not to say that those aren’t valid opinions. But federalism should be understood as a spectrum of views, rather than a distinct set of positions.
As a side note, this list entirely falls under the purview of social conservatism. This is not to say social conservatives are not really federalists, but instead to point out the varying interpretations of the federal governments role in those issues (for example, those who argue fetuses are entitled to 14th amendment rights to overturn Roe, rather than those who argue the tenth). Most conservatives fall in line more easily on the proper roll of the federal government on economic issues.
A slightly different perspective
mlowry Thursday, December 10th at 6:50AM EST (link)Your analysis is right on target and your principles are sound. I believe a modified method is needed, however. In sales I learned that a debate has a winner and a loser, and that if you win the debate you lose the sale. We need to be selling the conservative position.
A couple of issues won’t sell to the mainstream. Abortion is a legal fact that can’t be changed unless and until the nations moral compass is changed. It is losing elections for conservatives. Get it off the table until the social/moral message can become much more dominant than it is.
Gay marriage is an issue that can be neutralized by taking a position of granting “committed couples” a civil union that offers inheritance, hospital access, etc., without calling it marriage. That won’t satisfy the hard core, but it will take the steam out of their campaigns. Most gays don’t care for the public fight.
Finally, construct messaging that sells the benefits of the conservative principles to the uncommitted middle. Don’t continually bash the Democrats. Instead, sell the benefits of conservatism, and the Democrats can easily be seen to be bad for the country. Instead of “The Democrats are doing ____ and it’s bad”, offer “The country should be doing ____”. Remember, everyone who is not an activist views issues while tuned to radio station WII-FM (What’s In It For Me). I believe it will change our politics and our position nationally.
Mike L.
“The person who says it cannot be done should not interrupt the person doing it.”
–Chinese proverb
Hats Off to MLowry
roycooper Thursday, December 10th at 7:48AM EST (link)There are too many vague generalities being passed around.
Mr. Lowry got specific. We all from the RedState blog want to dictate who is going to be a Republican candidate when in the end money talks. We have made no inroads at all to make the election process open to our people. What struck me about Sarah Palin’s rise in Alaska is how small a part money played.
Due we really want to start our own fundraising organizations? Look at what John McCain did with McCain-Feingold. He set that up in order to neuter Right To Life and the NRA in Iowa and New Hampshire so he could win the nomination. But McCain moved things in the right direction, we need to protect the free political speech of the citizen by banning collective political fundraising. End the individual limit but contributions can only come from a registered voter who is a resident of the district, city, or state where the candidate is running.
If you want a case where “outside” money got things out of hand, look at when we took out Daschle in SD. Good result, but it really turned off the citizens of SD.
One of Erick's old diaries talked about activism and conservatism.
Steph C Thursday, December 10th at 8:13AM EST (link)We don’t always have the words to explain what conservatism means because to most of us, it’s as simple as breathing while the mechanics of such gets a little complicated. It’s a natural state for those of us who prize individual freedom over subsuming the individual for the interests of the collective and we exhibit our conservatism from an individual stance.
When everything has become about 5 second sound bytes, we have to find a place where conservatism fits in that 5 seconds. It’s not an easy thing to do.
But just because it isn’t easy doesn’t mean it isn’t doable.
“[I]f the public are bound to yield obedience to laws to which they cannot give their approbation, they are slaves to those who make such laws and enforce them.” –Candidus in the Boston Gazette, 1772
Hillbilly Politics
5 second conservative sound byte
ottomustaine Thursday, December 10th at 10:19AM EST (link)How’s this? “Do you want government to leave you the hell alone? Do you want government to let you keep what you earn so you can be self-reliant and take care of your family? If so, you’re a conservative.”
RoyCooper, why would it be a bad thing to have our own...
penguin2 Thursday, December 10th at 9:08AM EST (link)money raising machine? You and MLowry above, do not seem to really be interested in moving things away from doing business as usual. My understanding about McCain-Feingold, is that it has had an adverse affect in the political arena. Again, not my main focus here, but where I read you saying McCain moved things in “the right direction,” red flags go up. And then I see you advocating only residents of a district, city, state, etc. being allowed to donate to a campaign, so you so not support RedState when we send donations to conservative candidates across the country? Big business would be left to do some pretty heavy donating in so many areas, not good in my opinion.
As far as Daschle, my impression is that SD was glad and is glad to be rid of him. And to extend that further, conservatives in many areas will probably be appreciating more and more the help that can come their way to fight the huge funds of the Leftist Dems/Hollywood/Unions, as well as the establishment GOP who do not want to change, but continue to try and get the MSM to like them. Will never happen. The MSM is the left, their goal is to diminish and marginalize the right. We are here to promote conservatism, not continue to enable the same old thing which has failed time and after time.
Resistance to tyrants is obedience to God. - Benjamin Franklin
When Good stands up to Evil, Evil blinks. - Vassar Bushmills
Constitutional Knowledge found at: RedState University
Conservative Education: Suggested Reading List
McCain 2008: Doesn't everybody remember
joayn Thursday, December 10th at 10:39AM EST (link)during the campaign how McCain welcomed the MSM with open arms and was just devestated and bewildered when they turned on him?
That is the problem with moderates. I really believe they suffer from DES - Divine Ego Syndrome. The symptoms include but are not limited to: craving approval from people who hate you and everything you stand for, turning on the people who are on your side to gain approval by the opposition, a deep seated need to be seen as “fair and honorable” but constantly screw over the people on your side to gain approval by the opposition, and personal sacrifice for the good of others is not the driving factor in their commitment to their party but how they will be seen and approved of. Just to name a few. And, obviously, the degree of DES varies.
Seriously. Think about it. Olympia Snowe is a good example. John McCain aka “the Maverick” is the king of DES. And the Democrats know this and they know how to manipulate them. Because crazy people know crazy people.
In other words, their loyalty is related to their feelings of self, ideals and principles second; it’s all about them. And I do believe this kind of thinking/feeling is an anethma to conservative thinking people, and it’s why we feel a natural revulsion for them. Or an instinctual red flag reaction, a “danger Will Robinson” moment, if you will.
That said, I do not want moderates out of the Republican party. I just don’t trust them to be making decisions in Washington. Minority yes (extremely minimal), majority no.
So yes, Erick, I am with you.
America is an idea; a noble idea that essentially boils down to the shocking belief that the masses are in fact not asses. John Nolte
I think you misread
mlowry Friday, December 11th at 2:59PM EST (link)I definitely am advocating moving away from “business as usual”.
Conducting a conservative campaign as a battle will yield a temporary, tenuous victory at best. Conducting it as a marketing campaign has the potential to change the thinking of the entire citizenry.
As for banning campaign contributions from out-of-district, I would support it only if corporate contributions were banned entirely. Campaigns need to be much smaller and more localized.
Mike L.
“The person who says it cannot be done should not interrupt the person doing it.”
–Chinese proverb
yeah...let's protect free speech by banning speech...that's just brilliant roycooper
AceInTX Thursday, December 10th at 9:25AM EST (link)That’s probably the single stupidest post I’ve ever read on this site! last I knew McCain nor you were given the divine right to decide who and petition the government for a redress of their grievances or to determine what is acceptable political speech
House Conservatives Fund
Michael Williams for Senate
Toomey US Senate
SarahPAC
That Pesky Abortion Issue
edintexas Thursday, December 10th at 7:55AM EST (link)Mike has apparently “bought” the MSM/Democrat (but I repeat myself) line that Conservatives want to eliminate abortion. I believe this is wrong. Most Conservatives I know do not want to eliminate abortion, but rather adhere to Constitutional principles and return it to the states to make their own laws regarding abortion. That message has always been lost, or not disseminated beyond Conservative circles. It probably won’t satisfy those opposed to abortion under any circumstances, or those apparently intent on increasing the number of abortions in the US, but I think it would “sell” to the vast majority not on either end of the discussion.
Abortion is not an albatross
jyalai Thursday, December 10th at 12:40PM EST (link)Just some more fodder for those who say abortion is a losing issue.
Look at the fight the Blue Dog Democrats put on in the House to get the Stupak amendment into the bill. they are fighting for their political lives.
Parental notification wins in almost every state it is proposed to the people. The courts strike it down.
Government funding of abortion fails in almost every state it is proposed to the people. Adminstrations and courts find ways to circumvent them.
Polling in the last ten years shows a growing pro-life population, especially amoung the younger generation.
The MSM attempts to paint pro-life candidates as McCarthyist in their desire to control other people’s lives. This is the issue that has to be addressed. Between the two parties, who really are the McCarthyites?
Not so!
mlowry Friday, December 11th at 3:05PM EST (link)My problem is not that I believe that conservatives want to eliminate abortion, but that they are campaigning as if they do. I am simply advocating that, aside from preventing Federal funding for it, they stop making it a banner issue. It is being publicized as a “litmus test” and is keeping a huge number of otherwise conservative women from supporting us.
Mike L.
“The person who says it cannot be done should not interrupt the person doing it.”
–Chinese proverb
MLowry, what you just wrote is a reiteration of the MSM and
penguin2 Thursday, December 10th at 8:54AM EST (link)mantra. You immediately honed in on two divisive issues and held that up as to why the Conservatives “can’t win.” I dispute that in the first place, but that is really not the main point here. Letting the establishment GOP continue to choose candidates that are Dem lite/RINO’s only enables the weakness of the GOP to continue. The type they seem to be pushing, are more of the same old thing. Second, I have been quite successful in both sales and debate, and do not agree that you win the debate, you lose the sale.
I agree that negative campaigning, is not necessarily a good thing, but not calling the Democrats out on the bad that they are advocating, well, I question that tactic. There is a big difference between bashing, and ignoring.
As you point out, we need to say what Conservatism is and get the message out. One last thought, your sig line seems to contraindicate what you have just proposed.
Resistance to tyrants is obedience to God. - Benjamin Franklin
When Good stands up to Evil, Evil blinks. - Vassar Bushmills
Constitutional Knowledge found at: RedState University
Conservative Education: Suggested Reading List
5
gekster Thursday, December 10th at 9:11AM EST (link)Reagan, anti abortion, didn’t mind saying so, won.
We are there in the various Tea Party groups, leaderless, but not rudderless.
We steer always toward the Constitutional principles this nation was founded upon.
Erick Brockway
Freedom is the goal. The Constitution is the way.
Beaglescout
Every deer hunter in Michigan still likes to take a shot at a squirrel, rabbit, troll, or even a tribble every now and then.
What a load of crap...none of those issues have been fron and center since Republicand started losing their majorities...
AceInTX Thursday, December 10th at 9:18AM EST (link)The pro life position is gaining traction with the general electorate with poll after poll showing mote and more people taking a pro life position…please note…Democrats have stopped running on pro choice issues and are acting to keep abortion legal while apologizing for their position
and Gay marriage has nothing to do with anything. Pro marrriage amendments have passed and pro Gay marriage amendments have gone down in flames in every election where voters were given a choice. The only states that currently have legalized gay marriage have it because of activist courts forcing gutless legislatures to legalize them.
Both of these issues can be turned to benefit Republicans in such a way that it doesn’t alienate libertarians by emphasizing the judicial activism that is forcing gay marriage on us all and by fighting against the Democrat push yo use federal funds to pay for abortions since libertarians may not won’t to give the government the power to tell a woman she can’t have an abortion but paying for her to have it is another thing entirely.
The attitude you display here is part of the problem we have as a party because Social Conservatives are the base of this party…yet the party demands we sit down and shut up…that we do the work to get the party in power and expect nothing in return for the effort.
As far as whether social issues lost the majority…I will point out that just 5 short years ago Bush won with a base strategy which got the Dems running Socially moderate to conservative Democrats. We’ve spent the last two elections stiff arming SoCons while the Dem’s courted them….and look at the result
and you want to double down?
House Conservatives Fund
Michael Williams for Senate
Toomey US Senate
SarahPAC
I agree with the general point here, but would point out
gator_hoo Thursday, December 10th at 9:36AM EST (link)That Vermont and New Hampshire have gay marriage through their legislatures, not their courts.
correct me if I'm wrong...but weren't they forced by the courts to have it?
AceInTX Thursday, December 10th at 9:57AM EST (link)if not I stand corrected…but I’m thinking there were court orders for the legislatures to vote on it as did Massachusetts?
The other point I would make is…if it were put to a ballot…I’d be surprised if they pass
House Conservatives Fund
Michael Williams for Senate
Toomey US Senate
SarahPAC
Ace, you are only partially correct, see my response below. nt
Aaron Gardner Thursday, December 10th at 10:08AM EST (link)Aaron’s Archive I
Aaron’s Archive II
conform and celebrate diversity….or else!!!
gator_hoo, Vermont has gay marriage because the Vermont Supreme Court forced civil unions...
Aaron Gardner Thursday, December 10th at 10:06AM EST (link)The marriage law that came from the legislature was forced because of the initial decision by the courts to force civil unions in the 1999 case Baker vs Vermont.
Aaron’s Archive I
Aaron’s Archive II
conform and celebrate diversity….or else!!!
The social issues
Russ Martin Thursday, December 10th at 9:38AM EST (link)I too am a social conservative. But I simply can’t understand why we continue to allow the dems/libs to divide us on these issues. While we bicker over whether you can still be a Republican if you support gay marriage, they are laying the foundation for a monstrous bureaucracy that will enslave us all.
I believe we need to focus our efforts at the federal level on fiscal and national security conservatism. I think we can still demonstrate leadership on social issues with the understanding that most of these issues must and should be fought and decided at the state level.
This strategy would allow us to build a 60+% majority.
“Government is not reason; it is not eloquent; it is force. Like fire, it is a dangerous servant and a fearful master.” George Washington
It's not the Dem's/Libs that are deviding us here
AceInTX Thursday, December 10th at 10:21AM EST (link)there is an element of the party that want’s SoCons to be seen and not heard. They want us to do all the work, carry alkl the water…and then they expect us to sit down and shut up.
The “SoCons have a litmus test and want to purge pro-choicers and pro gar marriage Republicans from the party is a canard…a straw man…a red herring…whatever you want to call it. Most of us distrust government and are no more comfortable using the power of the federal government to achieve our own ends as as the most libertarian people out there…in fact…I’d argue there are more strident federalists in the SoCon movement than there are in any other part of the party by a HUGE margin.
Let me be clear…I could give a hoot in hell if VT, MA, HI, or any other state in the union allows gay marriage…as long as I know some federal judge at some later date forces Texas to allow for gay marriage. I could make the same arguement about abortion as well…I’d be content sending the issue back to the states though there is a part of me that would stand my ground on the idea that a fetus is a person and that a doctor and that child’s mother killing it involves a violation of that child’s civil rights…but that’s an arguement for another day…
What I’m getting at is that we have certain unifying principles that are supposed to unite us…it’s the establishment that insists that we give up on those fundamental principles and that SoCons in particular need to sit down and shut up….that’s what’s at issue here!
House Conservatives Fund
Michael Williams for Senate
Toomey US Senate
SarahPAC
why?
Christine (Trelaina) Thursday, December 10th at 9:46AM EST (link)“Gay marriage is an issue that can be neutralized by taking a position of granting “committed couples” a civil union that offers inheritance, hospital access, etc., without calling it marriage.”
Why do we have to create any kind of “legal” civil union to do this?
First of all, let the states decide as they have been.
Secondly, I should be able to choose who inherits my money, regardless of my marital status. I should be able to choose who can visit me in the hospital and who I consider my “next of kin”. Perhaps some rules are needed for when I’m unable to express my wishes or to make sure I provide for my legal dependents. Generally speaking though, if we get rid of the rules and loopholes that allow someone to override my choices, we make things a lot better for a lot of people - not just a single group.
“I would be a poor Commander in Chief”
– Barack Obama, July 3 2008
that's as good a point as I've heard on the subject nt
AceInTX Thursday, December 10th at 10:25AM EST (link)House Conservatives Fund
Michael Williams for Senate
Toomey US Senate
SarahPAC
5; well-said. nt
smagar Thursday, December 10th at 10:01AM EST (link)“Who will stand/On either hand/And guard this bridge with me?” (Macaulay)
Erick, I am 100% with you on this
peg_c Thursday, December 10th at 6:53AM EST (link)Also in favor of a RedStatePAC!
I’m sharing this with my ~ 400 FB peeps who are 95% very conservative and asking that they share it as well. This is a critical juncture for our party and there will never be a more opportune time for us to rebuild this party with conservative principles. At the very least, we have a bunch of Marxists and socialists in the WH and Congress to thank for getting us ALL outraged and off our butts and determined to take our country and our party back. The time for rebuilding the Republican Party is NOW.
I have not written a diary on this, but last Saturday I attended a local meetup with Maurice Hinchey’s conservative challenger in 2010, George Phillips. I ask RedStaters to all support George against the Marxist representative of my NY-22 district, Hinchey, who presents himself as pro-military and is ANYTHING but. Hinchey is pro-Deathcare, pro-Cap&Tax, pro-Fairness Doctrine, anti-business, anti-liberty and just plain anti-American!
I will likely be a Precinct Captain for Phillips (as no one else from my precinct - I believe there are ~103 precincts in NY-22 - showed up) and definitely an active volunteer. Phillips is conservative, and there is no moderate challenger, but this is still a golden opportunity to get a far-left Democrat out of an entrenched seat in a purple district.
We have to get Dems and RINOs out and we have to re-establish conservative principles in our party. The Tea Party movement, Palin and other key factors will help with this. I refuse to cede this party to the likes of Crist, Fiorina, Powell, McCain, and especially the Brooks-Frum-Noonan beltway-think LOSERS in the Drive-Bys who think they know what is best for us. ENOUGH.
Government cannot be the solution when government is the problem.
Link to George Phillips' page
peg_c Thursday, December 10th at 6:56AM EST (link)Here.
Government cannot be the solution when government is the problem.
I think the "establishment" isn't very established
red_oakster Thursday, December 10th at 9:03AM EST (link)These battles have been going on in various ways really all the way back to 1952.
And they are discrete battles in a system where party officials are pretty weak. A NY 23 fiasco happens when there’s a special election; however, most of the time, there’s a primary to be fought. That’s the good news for conservatives. If we organize, we can win a lot of the time. No poobah in DC can direct any of these races very effectively. Otherwise Charlie Crist would by now be the acclaimed GOP nominee.
And 2010 will have many opportunities. Toomey can win in Pennsylvania. Rubio can win in Florida. Baker can win in Arkansas. We should support them. And we should support conservatives House candidates in red districts in blue states. That said, I will happily take moderate/liberal Republican Senators in heavily blue states any day of the week. They are a bonus.
But all of these races are decided on their own merits. So with the exception perhaps of special elections, DC-based campaign “officials” are paper tigers. Just get out and organize locally, and everything else will take care of itself.
5; well-said. If we organize locally, is there really a need for a Civil War?
smagar Thursday, December 10th at 10:07AM EST (link)So what if the “GOP establishment” gets credit for conservative successes in 2010? Let’s achieve the successes first and worry about who deserves credit later.
Most Americans don’t pay much attention to politics. They won’t care who got credit anyway.
The percentage that does follow politics closely will know how and why the GOP won. Many of them have turned their back on the MSM already, so they won’t be swayed by any spin the GOP “establishment” generates through them anyway.
That same percentage that follows politics, especially on the conservative side, follows Fox News Channel. Erick, IIRC, Sean Hannity knows you by first name and you can get on his program with minimal trouble. So, go on his show and claim the credit that’s due the conservative movement…
…when, or IF, we win anything meaningful in 2010.
“Who will stand/On either hand/And guard this bridge with me?” (Macaulay)
Smeagal...Weren't you one of the people who said we should save the fights within the party for the primaries last year...
AceInTX Thursday, December 10th at 12:50PM EST (link)Now we’re heading into the primaries…the establishment is jumping in and giving party funds to liberal Republican candidates in races where the Conservative would win if nominated…and you want us to wait now until the 2010 elections are over…after the establishment has put yet more Graham’s and McCains, Snowes, Specters and Collins in place?
and of course once they do that we’ll be treated by the establishment and its stooges like you that the strategy worked and we don’t need conservatives to win elections…and in 2012 after they’ve all been in office and they’ve helped Obama socialize us you’ll be throwing turds from the peanut galleries at us for wanting to primary them!
I’ve been at this too long and there is nothing new under the sun with this…it’s been the same cycle within the party for 70 years…it’s time to break the cycle…it’s time for conservatives to flex their muscles…and you ought to get on board or out of the way before you get caught standing on the tracks!
House Conservatives Fund
Michael Williams for Senate
Toomey US Senate
SarahPAC
A primary fight is one thing---"Civil War" is another
smagar Thursday, December 10th at 1:17PM EST (link)IIRC, America’s last Civil War left much of the country in ruins. And, after it was over, the North and South didn’t just shrug, let bygones be bygones and move on. Which is EXACTLY what you have to do once a primary ends on a Tuesday, and the general election begins on a Wednesday.
you want us to wait now until the 2010 elections are over
When did I say that? Link, please. Or, are you claiming you know what I’m thinking. OK, Ace…what am I thinking now?
after the establishment has put yet more Graham’s and McCains, Snowes, Specters and Collins in place
Umm, Ace, don’t you mean THE ESTABLISHMENT!! Complete with black helicopters?
I’ve been at this too long
too long “at”…what? Ranting foolishly? I’m not surprised—you’re very good at it. You’ve obviously practiced quite a bit.
you ought to get on board or out of the way before you get caught standing on the tracks!
Oh, I’m so scared of you, you digital hero. Bring it on, gasbag.
“Who will stand/On either hand/And guard this bridge with me?” (Macaulay)
I've given my resume before Smeagol...
AceInTX Thursday, December 10th at 3:24PM EST (link)I’ve been a temporary precedent chair since 2000, I’ve been a precinct, district and state convention delegate and I’ve been on the district credentials committee….
I’ve done enough to not have to justify myself to you…so…what have YOU done besides rant?
as far as black helicopters go…Saul Alinsky would be proud of you…you know good and dXXXed well what I, Erick and everyone here is talking about.
House Conservatives Fund
Michael Williams for Senate
Toomey US Senate
SarahPAC
Oh...and I'm not personally threatening you so cool it...
AceInTX Thursday, December 10th at 3:29PM EST (link)when I said get on board or get out of the way before you get caught on the tracks I’m speaking metaphorically and I’m talking about the conservative Juggernaut that is steaming full steam ahead at the establishment and their had picked lackeys in FL, CA, IL, and other places where the Republican Establishment has decided to give primary money to liberals and moderates over conservatives while staying neutral in races with only Liberals and moderates running.
who’s the gas bag because I can give facts…all you can do is insult and belittle!
House Conservatives Fund
Michael Williams for Senate
Toomey US Senate
SarahPAC
Ace, I really think you're on drugs.
smagar Thursday, December 10th at 4:34PM EST (link)all you can do is insult and belittle!
In which AceInTX the pot calls smagar the kettle black.
You know, Ace…I’m starting to think that you’re not really a GOP activist. Instead, I think you’re a psychology PhD student, who’s adopted the persona of an addled, dimbulb activist—just to see how we all respond.
Now, if we were on TV, I’d think you were running some sort of Candid Camera operation. But, since we’re not…
I can give facts
Well…maybe you can, but Erick hasn’t. He’s pointed to four Senate races, from which he’s apparently extrapolated that there’s a grand RINO conspiracy against conservatives in the GOP.
(Of course now, Ace, if all GOP conservatives were like you, I’d think it was the GOP leadership’s duty to excise you, much like Buckley excised the Birchers).
Before we start internal party civil war, I’d like to see some more evidence.
For example, Rob Jesper—do we have any e-mails from him? Does Erick have sources who’ve heard him say that he’s out to cleanse the party of conservatives? If he has them, but can’t divulge their contents or sources—OK.
“Who will stand/On either hand/And guard this bridge with me?” (Macaulay)
Kowalski
smagar Thursday, December 10th at 4:38PM EST (link)Please append the following after “OK” above:
But, what Erick is saying is burning bridges stuff. From where I sit, we conservatives don’t have lots of expendable voters and elected politicians. Acually, we have NO expendable ones.
Ace, maybe you have time to waste on internal civil wars, in hopes of building a better GOP.
What you’ll get, instead, is a purer GOP that literally rises from ashes—the ashes of a bankrupted country. What good is that?
“Who will stand/On either hand/And guard this bridge with me?” (Macaulay)
and just as I said...I don't see any facts in there...or even a rational and reasoned thought...
AceInTX Thursday, December 10th at 4:46PM EST (link)just petty insults and invective…My evidence?
and your evidence would be?
So I’m to be excised like the Birchers? and of course you’re to be the Torquemada to the inquisition that will excise me and those like me?
again…I don’t see a single fact or a single cogent thought in this whole post with one exception
If you’d stick to just that in your comments you’d get farther with me and many other conservatives like me but more often than not you come off as a petulant child and an efete snob who would be more comfortable with the Republican Party if we were electing Ted Kennedy clones to run in the general elections!
House Conservatives Fund
Michael Williams for Senate
Toomey US Senate
SarahPAC
But when the support of liberal/moderate becomes the rule
ceili_dancer Thursday, December 10th at 4:59PM EST (link)Especially in places where a conservative can and will win, what is that for a strategy? Sure, you’re not going to get recorded conversations, but actions speak much louder than words. Even when they, the national organizations, send out the money requests, with a sham of a survey to boot, to say they are trying to elect conservatives and send that money on to Crist, Fiorino and such.
Well stated and Amen...nt
AceInTX Thursday, December 10th at 8:28PM EST (link)House Conservatives Fund
Michael Williams for Senate
Toomey US Senate
SarahPAC
My credentials---I'm a GOP foot soldier, nothing more. But...
smagar Thursday, December 10th at 4:43PM EST (link)I’m not proposing that GOP conservatives treat moderates the same way that Quantrill treated the citizens of Lawrence, Kansas. (Figuratively speaking, of course).
To be clear, none of the leaders on this site are urging that. But, plenty of the commenters sound more like Quantrill’s Raiders than Lexington and Concord’s Minutemen.
“Who will stand/On either hand/And guard this bridge with me?” (Macaulay)
And that says it all doesn't it? you accuse me of being a digital warrtior not doing anything but cayelling from the sidelines...
AceInTX Thursday, December 10th at 8:50PM EST (link)and when I lay out what I’ve done for the party…the shoe goes on the other foot…
I broke Hinz Rule to reply to this. My apologies but it had to be said.
House Conservatives Fund
Michael Williams for Senate
Toomey US Senate
SarahPAC
To get back to Erick's question: "Who is with me?"
newsentinel Thursday, December 10th at 10:14AM EST (link)I am with your Erick. And I will spread the word that, “Conservatives can win if we fight back.” I’m ready to wrest the party of Ronald Reagan completely out of the hands of the “Republican Establishment.”
Roughly quoting Benjamin Franklin: “If we don’t all hang together, we will all hang separately.” Yes, we have reached another turning point in American history. Thank you, Erick, for laying it on the line for the Conservatives of the Republican Party.
Who wants more "moderate/liberal Republican Senators"? They're our problem now!
newsentinel Thursday, December 10th at 11:44AM EST (link)“Moderate/Liberal Republican Senators” tend to vote like “Moderate/Liberal” Democratic Senators when push comes to shove. Be careful what you wish for. You may get it.
In some parts of the country, a moderate GOP is the best you can do.
smagar Thursday, December 10th at 1:24PM EST (link)I find it hard to believe that Maine is a staunchly conservative state. If it was, then I doubt the Porkulus Sisters would be voting as they vote. I also doubt you’ll ever see an openly-conservative Senator elected in Maryland, Massachusetts, Vermont, Rhode Island, and perhaps Illinois and New York.
For places like that, I’ll take a RINO R over a Democrat any day. Half a loaf is better than no loaf.
“Who will stand/On either hand/And guard this bridge with me?” (Macaulay)
Sorry, I'll take somebody who'll vote R some of the time over voting D all of the time. nt
Achance Thursday, December 10th at 3:36PM EST (link)In Vino Veritas
or an alleged Blue Dog/Lap Dog
redpens Thursday, December 10th at 3:41PM EST (link)who voted for cap-and-tax or hell-th care
If you have 51 Rs, RINO or not...
smagar Thursday, December 10th at 4:48PM EST (link)you get to organize the Senate and chair all its committees.
A conservative R Senate Majority Leader can make sure that his/her handful of RINOs don’t do too much damage by putting them on less-important committees. For example, you don’t put them on Judiciary, where they can block judges.
Harry Reid, if he wasn’t so stupid, can afford to live with moderate D Senators from red states in his caucus—because Senate Judiciary is safely in the hands of Pat Leahy and Dick Durbin and Chuck Schumer. Therefore, D Senators in red states can rail on the floor of the Senate all day long, speaking out in favor of conservative judicial nominees…because they know they’ll never actually have to vote on them. Team Leahy will see to that.
But, in order to do that, you have to get to 51 first.
“Who will stand/On either hand/And guard this bridge with me?” (Macaulay)
And you have to know what to do with your 51
Achance Thursday, December 10th at 4:56PM EST (link)and have some meaningful caucus discipline. I’ve been trying to convince people here for ages that the issues with the Rs in Congress, especially the Senate, are caucus and Party discipline issues. Many, however would rather grab the squirrel gun and rush the wheel to wheel cannons than sit down and actually figure out how a government works.
In Vino Veritas
Actually Need 61+
Swamp_Yankee Thursday, December 10th at 5:04PM EST (link)To get anything major accomplished. A majority is nice to stop their agenda and promote a status quo and gridlock and lots of compromise on smaller issues.
But if people want the “revolution” they claim they want like privitizing entitlements and downsizing the fedral government they will need 60 or more with large a large Republican majority in the House and a conservative president. Doing that iwithout any moderates is a little pollyannish in my opinion.
http://www.twitter.com/swamp_yank
Actually Need 61+
Swamp_Yankee Thursday, December 10th at 5:04PM EST (link)To get anything major accomplished. A majority is nice to stop their agenda and promote a status quo and gridlock and lots of compromise on smaller issues.
But if people want the “revolution” they claim they want like privitizing entitlements and downsizing the fedral government they will need 60 or more with large a large Republican majority in the House and a conservative president. Doing that iwithout any moderates is a little pollyannish in my opinion.
http://www.twitter.com/swamp_yank
Conservative 1st, Republican 2nd
teamronmiller Thursday, December 10th at 7:06AM EST (link)Erick, I choose to run as a Republican because it is the political party that, in principle if not in practice, best aligns with my conservative views. I have always tried to teach my moderate and liberal friends that conservatives are not necessarily Republicans and vice versa. They keep trying to equate the two, probably with ill intent. I think a “civil war” is healthy, and I think the party needs to be taken back by its grass-roots members - lead from the bottom up. Thanks for your stance.
Ron
================
Ron Miller
GOP Candidate for Maryland Senate, District 27
Sign up for Team Ron Miller email updates - http://www.teamronmiller.com/
Join us on Facebook - http://www.facebook.com/TeamRonMiller
5's to Ron...nt
JadedByPolitics Thursday, December 10th at 8:11AM EST (link)..
Whoever has his enemy at his mercy &
does not destroy him is his own enemy
Amen nt
AceInTX Thursday, December 10th at 9:34AM EST (link)House Conservatives Fund
Michael Williams for Senate
Toomey US Senate
SarahPAC
It's the media double standard as usual
bk Thursday, December 10th at 7:08AM EST (link)When the liberal so-called grass roots groups (grass roots = receives millions from George Soros) skipped all the more established Washington insider candidates in favor of the person who was farthest out of the mainstream, the press hailed it to the point of leg-tingling.
When the conservative true grass roots groups do something approaching that, the press says it’s proof that the end of the movement and the party are at hand.
Count Me In...
Wubbies World Thursday, December 10th at 7:43AM EST (link)I am sick and tired of these Democrat Lite squish candidates who have no spine.
Join The Red State Strike Force
><> If It’s Worth Doing, It’s Worth Doing Right The First Time.
Man am I glad to hear you say this, Erick
Jeffrey Malbis (malbis) Thursday, December 10th at 8:03AM EST (link)100% behind you and sensing some hope for the future.
That Rasmussen survey that came out this week showing that Unaffiliated (or Independent) voters chose a hypothetical “Tea Party” candidate over either a Dem or a GOP candidate shows that the majority of the country is conservative–and conservatives are not just a minor “extreme” wing of the Republican party that should move quietly to the back of the bus and know our place.
For 2010 and 2012…let’s roll.
From the 1940 feature film Ghost Breakers, starring the late, great, Bob Hope and Paulette Goddard:
Scientist: “It’s worse than horrible, because a Zombie has no will of his own. You see them some times, walking around blindly with dead eyes, following orders, not knowing what they do, not caring.”
Bob Hope: “You mean, like Democrats?”
So Much To Do-So Little Time
pirate55 Thursday, December 10th at 8:27AM EST (link)The conservative rallying cry to the GOP is quite simple. “We Win, You Lose” (The Great Ronald Reagan)
Conservatism is on the rise and will continue to do so. The NRSC, RNC, NRCC, and the Republican Party of Florida is wasting their mailings on me until they LISTEN! I will maintain these memberships with a once annual contribution until these organizations become “THE PEOPLE”.
We are “THE PEOPLE”, YOU REPRESENT US AND ARE TO SUPPORT WHO WE SUPPORT. If these organizations ignore us as it appears they are doing now “with blinders on”, I will continue to support the conservative causes individually such as Marco Rubio here in Florida.
To Representative Connie MACK-Please quit ignoring my requests for info on your travels and the rest of the Congress. I want to know how much it costs? You proclaim yourself to be a conservative but endorse Charlie Crist? You proclaim yourself to be a conservative but give your staff hefty bonuses? I submit matters to you regularly and all I ever get is a form letter. You are now married to Rep. Mary BONO, R-CA and have residences in SW Florida, she in CA and the both of you in VA. With your salaries, couldn’t you rent? Not to mention Ms. BONO-MACK VOTED FOR CAP AND TRADE.
The message should be quite simple. Every politician out there needs to realize the following, the GOP in particular:
1. You are not royalty-That’s why all this started
2. You work for the people, not the other way around
3. You are the people’s vehicle, not your own
4. You MUST represent your consensus
5. You should return to your districts frequently and “walk the street”
6. Politics should not be your career calling
7. You are not invincible and you can be defeated within your party
8. You are being watched very carefully
9. The “Silent Majority” has awakened
10. You must account for every penny and be responsible to the “public
trust”
I’m sure there are more, but yes, my dear Republican Party, IT IS TIME TO PUT YOUR MOUTH WHERE OUR MONEY IS AND YOUR SUPPORT LIES!
I like your 10 Commandments, Pirate ...
joayn Thursday, December 10th at 10:56AM EST (link)well said.
America is an idea; a noble idea that essentially boils down to the shocking belief that the masses are in fact not asses. John Nolte
Count me, too
jonbingham Thursday, December 10th at 8:34AM EST (link)Thanks for being a strong force for a return to principles that work.
http://ruminationsaspirations.blogspot.com
You know I'm there Erick nt
AceInTX Thursday, December 10th at 8:51AM EST (link)House Conservatives Fund
Michael Williams for Senate
Toomey US Senate
SarahPAC
It's Our Own Fault
mrje Thursday, December 10th at 8:55AM EST (link)We haven’t been just “asleep”. We’ve been in a COMA.
The LEFT has been tweaking politically correctness (nudging us), for decades. We let this happen.
Conservatives have almost COMPROMISED ourselves into EXTINCTION, in the world of politics… but NOT in the world of living in the home of the FREE.
We don’t need to carry notes or consult a totus, to know what we believe.
AND we are silent, no more.
Right now, it is difficult to see a “way out” of this mess.
But we will do it.
Erick,
makemyday Thursday, December 10th at 8:57AM EST (link)I wouldn’t be here if I thought any differently.
Now Let’s go and kick some a$$!!!!!!!!
When all else fails…….. Shoot!
“Patriotism is supporting your country all the time, and your government when it deserves it.” –American author Mark Twain (1835-1910)
“We should never despair, our Situation before has been unpromising and has changed for the better, so I trust, it will again. If new difficulties arise, we must only put forth new Exertions and proportion our Efforts to the exigency of the times.” –George Washington, letter to Philip Schuyler, 1777
Ayn Rand...
mdyou Thursday, December 10th at 9:12AM EST (link)…is being quoted frequently these days, but her social and economic views were quite different from many of us who call ourselves conservative. She was an atheist. And, true to her objectivism, thought abortion was a woman’s right. And, economically, she must be rolling in her grave at the current restrictions on capitalism in this country.
Ideas can be debated, but let’s face it - the right is better than the left for a whole host of common sense reasons. We have no use for ‘liberal’ Republicans. They cannot win important elections. People who want ‘liberal’ don’t want ‘liberal lite’ (See: John McCain 2008).
The right to lifers and the holy-rollers are welcome. But the litmus tests should regard taxes (fewer) the size of government (smaller) and most of all, The U.S. Constitution (as written).
So we should follow your litmus tests and ignore everyone elses?
AceInTX Thursday, December 10th at 9:44AM EST (link)That’s why we are where we are…and that’s what we’re complaining about with the establishment.
House Conservatives Fund
Michael Williams for Senate
Toomey US Senate
SarahPAC
My point, Ace...
mdyou Thursday, December 10th at 10:25AM EST (link)…is that I am with Erick.
And nobody else has to agree with me. MY litmus tests are MINE alone. Please forget I even mentioned them.
By the way, Fred is right about the magnet thing. And I like your slate, Ace.
LOL...nothing personal...but that inconsistancy is what galls me about the establishment
AceInTX Thursday, December 10th at 10:35AM EST (link)they insist we sit down and shut up about issues they disagree with and accuse us of having a litmus test…the pot calling the kettle black aspect of their demands on us is just a bit much.
As it is…I’m willing to compromise on my issues by taking a step back from a Federal Life Amendment in favor of simply overturning Roe and sending it back to the states…but that’s just not enough to satisfy the Brooks/Frum/Tom Davis faction…we have to just abandon everything and sit quietly by while they not only trash SoCons…but as they vote to expand government, raise taxes, increase spending, and push for cap and Tax as they accuse us of forcing litmus tests on them simply because we protest!
House Conservatives Fund
Michael Williams for Senate
Toomey US Senate
SarahPAC
I am
bsquared Thursday, December 10th at 9:26AM EST (link)with
you.
And I appreciate each time I meet and talk at the RS ‘tavern’:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=VP2p91dvm6M
Oathkeeper Observing…
The first test will be 2010 because
TxCon Thursday, December 10th at 9:26AM EST (link)Way too many primary voters are anti-establishment right up until the minute they have to pull the lever on election, so the establishment guy wins. Then when the establishment guy does what he has always done, voters get mad become anti-establishment again. It is a maddening cycle.
The first race in 2010 is on Jan 19.
gekster Thursday, December 10th at 9:42AM EST (link)The special election for Teddys old Senate seat.
Conservative Scott Brown won in the primary and needs our support in
MA.
We are there in the various Tea Party groups, leaderless, but not rudderless.
We steer always toward the Constitutional principles this nation was founded upon.
Erick Brockway
Freedom is the goal. The Constitution is the way.
Beaglescout
Every deer hunter in Michigan still likes to take a shot at a squirrel, rabbit, troll, or even a tribble every now and then.
Dare I say it?
Mike Thursday, December 10th at 9:27AM EST (link)Yes…we can?
You can count me in, Erick!
cajun_tiger77 Thursday, December 10th at 9:35AM EST (link)Well said, Erick; I couldn’t agree w/ you more! Now if we could only translate this sentiment to the our party. First step is to get rid of Steele and elect a conservative to head the party. Then we work on Congress and the White House. We have to stand strong against the progressive ground swell and the RINO’s. No more bending! No more political correctness! Let the liberals and RINO’s put their choice of label on us; we must not allow it to effect our resolve. We know who we are, what we believe, and what we are fighting for.
I hope and pray everyday
Duke Thursday, December 10th at 9:40AM EST (link)that I never again have to make a choice between a moron and liberal from Chicago, or a moron and liberal from Arizona.
What I will be energized over is a Presidential candidate that will commit to taking apart the unconstitutional federal government. Now THAT’s hope and change!
It’s not about a purge. It’s about an insurrection.
What evidence led you to this conclusion?
smagar Thursday, December 10th at 9:53AM EST (link)Have you been told this by GOP insiders? Do you have your own “Deep Throat?”
Do you have a trove of hacked e-mails? Videotape?
“intentionally-orchestrated” = “conspiracy.”
Before I sign up to go to war against the people I need to partner with, in order to toss Pelosi, Waxman, Rangel, Obey, Markey, Conyers, etc… out of power, I’d like to see the evidence.
“Who will stand/On either hand/And guard this bridge with me?” (Macaulay)
Oy. nt
joayn Thursday, December 10th at 11:01AM EST (link)America is an idea; a noble idea that essentially boils down to the shocking belief that the masses are in fact not asses. John Nolte
Reading comprehension problem Smeagal?...
AceInTX Thursday, December 10th at 12:58PM EST (link)Erick led into that quote with evidence…
what’s your evidence to the contrary or do you just like spouting off without anything what so ever to back you up?
House Conservatives Fund
Michael Williams for Senate
Toomey US Senate
SarahPAC
That's Erick's perception---I'm looking for some hard evidence.
smagar Thursday, December 10th at 1:29PM EST (link)You’ve listed Erick’s assessment of the situation. Here’s another, just-as-plausible scenario: the GOP leadership was looking for electable Senators.
Given the bad situation the Senate GOP leadership and NRSC was in when they made some of those calls, I can see why they’d think that way. Personally, I think they chose wrong.
That doesn’t make them conspirators, though.
Now, maybe they ARE conspirators. But I want to see some hard evidence before I make the leap to alleging conspiracy.
I don’t live in your echo chamber, Ace.
“Who will stand/On either hand/And guard this bridge with me?” (Macaulay)
Heh...and in their case "electable just happens to mean liberal or moderate...
AceInTX Thursday, December 10th at 3:39PM EST (link)it’s just a coincidence…of course!
one problem with your little theory…Toomey was pounding Specter before he quit for the Dems…Rubio is getting at Crist and polls show Rubio beats the Democrat if he’s the nominee, (so how is he not “electable?)…
as for living in my echo chamber…I don’t expect you to…and I wouldn’t have any respect for you if you did…so what’s your point? Why is it that every criticism of the republican establishment becomes a personal pissing contest for you? Why is it you’re always there defending the status quo that brought us 2006 and 2008 as well as 1996 and 1992 anytime someone threatens that status quo? And why is it you accuse Erick and I of arguing without facts to back ourselves up when I haven’t seen anything from you to back up your assertions.,..just petty invective and childish taunts!
House Conservatives Fund
Michael Williams for Senate
Toomey US Senate
SarahPAC
Because...
smagar Thursday, December 10th at 4:57PM EST (link)…I think you’re bad for the Republican Party and conservatism in general.
I think that many people, if they came to this site curious to see what conservatism was all about, would read your stuff and come away thinking we were a bunch of loons.
Why is it you’re always there defending the status quo that brought us 2006 and 2008 as well as 1996 and 1992 anytime someone threatens that status quo?
I’m not defending out-of-control spending, or Mark Foley. As for 1996 or 1992—-um, what?
I DO think you’re a little too quick with the torch there, fella.
And why is it you accuse Erick and I of arguing without facts to back ourselves up when I haven’t seen anything from you to back up your assertions.,..just petty invective and childish taunts!
Check your meds, Ace. I’ll say this again…I’m not the one alleging a grand conspiracy. The accusers need to present the facts and evidence. Supposition—especially supposition born of an echo chamber—doesn’t cut it. (Outside of the echo chamber, that is).
“Who will stand/On either hand/And guard this bridge with me?” (Macaulay)
If it’s civil war, let’s cut off the supply lines
Marcus_Traianus Thursday, December 10th at 9:56AM EST (link)Contact these donors and ask them to redirect their contributions to other Republican organizations such as the RGA
Top 11 Donors NRSC
Crow Holdings
Perry Homes
Citigroup Inc
Tax Masters
Intellectual Ventures LLC
Amphastar Pharmaceuticals
FedEx Corp
Hbk Capital Management
Hunt Consolidated
Chartwell Partners
Akamai Technologies
Top 11 Donors NSCC
Friends of John Boehner
Crow Holdings
Mike Pence Cmte
Frank Lucas for Congress
Friends of Doc Hastings
Coble for Congress ‘92
Simpson for Congress
Gingrey for Congress
Mike Conaway for Congress
Kay Granger for Congress
Friends of Jeb Hensarling
By the way, John Boehner and Mike Pence? Do they really believe in what the NRCC is pushing or not? Seems to me they do.
“Both of our political parties, at least the honest portion of them, agree conscientiously in the same object—the public good; but they differ essentially in what they deem the means of promoting that good. One side believes it best done by one composition of the governing powers; the other, by a different one. One fears most the ignorance of the people; the other, the selfishness of rulers independent of them. Which is right, time and experience will prove.”.Thomas Jefferson
Contributor to The Minority Report
What will you do if they choose to stop giving to ANY GOP candidate or organization?
smagar Thursday, December 10th at 11:03AM EST (link)What if the shareholders of those companies get gunshy once you attack them, and decide it’s best to stay out of politics completely?
Do you have alternate funding sources to replace them? Of course not.
Once you destroy the village in order to save it—do you have the means to rebuild it? SURE you do!
Something tells me Progressive Insurance, Google and the other Democratic-leaning companies won’t be staying out of 2010.
“Who will stand/On either hand/And guard this bridge with me?” (Macaulay)
It's not always about the money
ceili_dancer Thursday, December 10th at 11:58AM EST (link)The more important thing in most elections is the grass roots volunteers that knock on doors and man the phone banks. During 2004 most of Bush’s door knockers were local folk talking to their neighbors, While Kerry had to import alot of out of state professional campaigners to do the same work. Sure the gobs and gobs of cash is nice, but without a message and people who believe in it, it won’t amount to a hill of beans. Volunteers, especially the social conservatives, are a valuable resource. Plus going after the large corporate donors really is not as productive as getting the local folks to donate smaller amounts. They’ll back it up with actions and not wait for after the elec tion for a handout of some legislative action to give them a leg up on the competition.
I am kinda partial to Mark 77's and BLU-116's
Marcus_Traianus Thursday, December 10th at 12:38PM EST (link)There is a time for a light touch and time for scorched earth. I will take the latter right now my friend.
I think both of these organizations have shown they are way off the reservation and engaged in intra-party guerrilla warfare. There really is not much good that comes out of their operations and the staffing leaves much to be desired. It also shows in their recent contribution numbers. By the way, look at the RGA and similar organizations to determine where the funding goes. There are better, more effective ways to spend the money. The NRSC and NRCC are dinosaurs on the verge of extinction. I am simply suggesting we speed up the meteor.
To me it’s simply contra intellectual to keep feeding the monster until it eats us as a last resort. That doesn’t mean I wouldn’t give commando action to topple and replace the leaders a chance so we don’t have to build a new foundation. Nonetheless, these guys keep shooting at us every time we think they have our back. I for one, am a bit sick of the friendly fire.
“Both of our political parties, at least the honest portion of them, agree conscientiously in the same object—the public good; but they differ essentially in what they deem the means of promoting that good. One side believes it best done by one composition of the governing powers; the other, by a different one. One fears most the ignorance of the people; the other, the selfishness of rulers independent of them. Which is right, time and experience will prove.”.Thomas Jefferson
Contributor to The Minority Report
Well, Marcus, I think you've gone over the edge.
smagar Thursday, December 10th at 1:34PM EST (link)The rhetoric I’m seeing here reminds me of survivalists in the woods, cradleing their shotguns and muttering about black helicopters. Like your friend AceInTX.
IMO you’re engaging in a whole lot of foolishness.
I also think that cold, calculating Democratic pols like Axelrod and Emmanuel will figure out some way to play you in next year’s elections.
“Who will stand/On either hand/And guard this bridge with me?” (Macaulay)
smags, you overestimate me brother
Marcus_Traianus Thursday, December 10th at 2:50PM EST (link)I am not the black helicopter type and don’t know the Ace fellow (although he is from Texas, how bad could he be?). I am a pragmatic realist.
Look, all kidding aside. I have a fundamental issue with giving money to organizations who I personally feel had much to do with our current camping trip. The NRCC and NRSC have not (IMO) done anything good and continue to make foolish moves. Can you name anything they have consistently done that was productive and good?
What harm could there possibly be in giving alternately to those organizations that have great structures, good networks and faithfully support causes we believe in? Heck, I even started to throw some money back to Mr. Steele and well run associations like the RGA. That’s not defeatist, it is an alternate battle plan.
If the NRSC/NRCC would stop flat lining on Primary choices and folding on conservative causes they would see a few dimes. But unless they revamp their chain of command, I don’t expect that to happen.
As previously mentioned, I am a pragmatist and this is a measured approach using opposite but like force as a means of attempting some re-balancing. I am not looking for parrots or someone that agrees with me 100% all the time. I am simply looking for people who share the same fundamental values.
Hope you understand. Oh and the munitions parlance was a little hyperbole.
“Both of our political parties, at least the honest portion of them, agree conscientiously in the same object—the public good; but they differ essentially in what they deem the means of promoting that good. One side believes it best done by one composition of the governing powers; the other, by a different one. One fears most the ignorance of the people; the other, the selfishness of rulers independent of them. Which is right, time and experience will prove.”.Thomas Jefferson
Contributor to The Minority Report
Marcus, I read your post as a call to boycott companies.
smagar Thursday, December 10th at 5:01PM EST (link)As for not sending money to organizations like the NRC, that’s one thing.
I did specifically mention “shareholders of companies” in my comment. I thought I made it clear that I don’t think it’s a good idea to go after companies who’ve been willing to support GOP causes and organizations. Especially companies who did so knowing they’d likely incur the wrath of Obama, Pelosi and Reid.
“Who will stand/On either hand/And guard this bridge with me?” (Macaulay)
I am no Al Sharpton, my friend
Marcus_Traianus Friday, December 11th at 8:26AM EST (link)I think we just drove past each other on this. My simple recommendation was to encourage contributions towards better, more effective causes. That would hopefully be the domain of folks like the RGA, et al. If they want to continue contributing to the NSCC and NRSC- so be it.
“Both of our political parties, at least the honest portion of them, agree conscientiously in the same object—the public good; but they differ essentially in what they deem the means of promoting that good. One side believes it best done by one composition of the governing powers; the other, by a different one. One fears most the ignorance of the people; the other, the selfishness of rulers independent of them. Which is right, time and experience will prove.”.Thomas Jefferson
Contributor to The Minority Report
Hey Smeagal...maybe you haven't noticed...the village has burned down around our ears
AceInTX Thursday, December 10th at 1:02PM EST (link)following the same strategy you are advocating…and you want us to continue pumping Gas while the pump is shooting flames!
House Conservatives Fund
Michael Williams for Senate
Toomey US Senate
SarahPAC
Your village, maybe---not mine.
smagar Thursday, December 10th at 1:35PM EST (link)If you want to burn down your own home, have at it. I, on the other hand, am not ready to set fire to mine just yet.
“Who will stand/On either hand/And guard this bridge with me?” (Macaulay)
My point being...we've gone from 55 Senators to 40 and we didn't do it promoting conservatism! nt
AceInTX Thursday, December 10th at 3:43PM EST (link)House Conservatives Fund
Michael Williams for Senate
Toomey US Senate
SarahPAC
Sorry to point this out, but McConnell became leader AFTER we lost the Senate
smagar Thursday, December 10th at 5:02PM EST (link)You should direct at least some of your invective toward Bill Frist.
“Who will stand/On either hand/And guard this bridge with me?” (Macaulay)
I didn't say anything about McConnell so what's your point?
AceInTX Thursday, December 10th at 8:23PM EST (link)again you throw out a dig that is irrelevant to what I said
House Conservatives Fund
Michael Williams for Senate
Toomey US Senate
SarahPAC
Good points....we need to contact them all...nt
AceInTX Thursday, December 10th at 12:59PM EST (link)House Conservatives Fund
Michael Williams for Senate
Toomey US Senate
SarahPAC
The 2010 election is our chance
Kyle-MI Thursday, December 10th at 10:01AM EST (link)With the way things are looking (for now) it is our opportunity to pull the GOP back to its principles.
civil war
proudgop Thursday, December 10th at 10:08AM EST (link)have your civil war but once a nominee is chosen in a free and democratic way its time to unify and support the nominee of the party
Yep. Agree with that. nt
joayn Thursday, December 10th at 11:55AM EST (link)America is an idea; a noble idea that essentially boils down to the shocking belief that the masses are in fact not asses. John Nolte
I can't disagree with that nt
AceInTX Thursday, December 10th at 1:08PM EST (link)House Conservatives Fund
Michael Williams for Senate
Toomey US Senate
SarahPAC
correction...I can agree with that
AceInTX Thursday, December 10th at 8:31PM EST (link)House Conservatives Fund
Michael Williams for Senate
Toomey US Senate
SarahPAC
I'm with you. nt
JDidSaint Thursday, December 10th at 10:13AM EST (link).
“I’d rather go through the pain of the re-emergence of free markets than endure the long suffering of a socialist state. One is natural and comes from that spark of human desire; the other is imposed and smothers the flame of ingenuity.”-Crowe (from RedState!)
Erick, I'm with you -- inside the Party itself, as a PC
ColdWarrior Thursday, December 10th at 10:23AM EST (link)At my local GOP meeting. As a precinct committeeman. Where I can vote for the leadership. And vote to endorse candidates. And influence some of the moderates to maybe start “thinking conservative.” And help get out the vote and educate the voters in my precinct. Especially right before the all-important primary elections.
Since January, we conservative precinct committeemen in my legislative district have managed to more than double the number or precinct committeemen. Virtually all of them are conservative Republicans. Most of the new conservative precinct committeemen came from Tea Parties and 912 groups. And from one-on-one conversations with conservative friends and neighbors who up until now liked to complain about “the Republican Party” not being “conservative enough,” but never actually having DONE ANYTHING to change it. Well, now as precinct committeemen, they CAN change the Party. And ARE changing it. Because now they’ll get to vote for the Party leaders and help make sure the BEST conservative candidates win the primary elections.
Redstaters, want to take back the Party? If you aren’t yet a prrecinct committeemen, I hope you’ll become one. Join the Party. As a voting member. As a precinct committeeman.
Thank you.
ColdWarrior
American first, conservative second, Republican precinct committeeman BY NECESSITY!
ThePrecinctProject, so you can say, “I became a precinct committeeman before it was cool.” (Where it all started.)
“No one could make a greater mistake than he who did nothing because he could do only a little.” - Edmund Burke
I'm with you!!!
swamphermit Thursday, December 10th at 10:25AM EST (link)I switched to the Libertarian Party in 2004 because of the weak-kneed Republican Congress, but will switch back soon…to vote in any early Republican primaries. Phooey on the GOP Establishment!
Count Me In
bilmar Thursday, December 10th at 10:29AM EST (link)Let me know how I can help. Sen. Cornyn is my senator and I call at least once a week and tell him I am dissapointed in his choices of candidates to back. I now have started supporting conservative candidates, such as Marco Rubio and Pat Toomey and have stopped supporting the republican party.
McCain won the nomination because of the issues where he IS conservative.
clowngirl Thursday, December 10th at 10:35AM EST (link)McCain’s nomination hurts conservatives only if you choose to agree with and promote the narrative that McCain was chosen because Republicans didn’t think a conservative could win.
McCain won because HE DID STAND FOR THINGS. He won - if anything - in spite of his independence from his party - not because of it.
Unlike Mitt Romney who wouldn’t have an opinion on the Surge because he was Governor, McCain staunchly committed himself - putting himself on the line - to see that our troops got the support and the strategy that they needed. Democrats derisively called it the “McCain Surge’ because he was so invested.
There was nothing pandering or poll tested about his words on Iraq. “I’ll follow Osama Bin Laden to the gates of Hell” is not a phrase designed to appease the anti-war crowd and it made him easy to caricature as a war monger - but strangely enough a lot of independents who had opposed the war DID vote for McCain. Which goes to show that standing on conviction will sometimes convince those who disagree. Some columnist theorized that it was because people who hadn’t supported the war and were very unhappy with Bush would not trust anyone with less than McCain’s national security experience.
But it wasn’t just experience. I voted for McCain largely because - after pouring over his statements about Iraq since the beginning, I was convinced he knew what he was talking about. His statements showed a deep understanding of the situation, expressed clear and consistent principles regarding warfare and reflected good judgement about what was working and what was neccessary. He seemed to know who to listen to and he had an absolute CONVICTION about winning.
He’d been to Iraq 8 times - including one trip which interrupted his campaign just when it was starting to gain a little momentum and supporters were nervous about him going away. No other candidate was remotely as qualified which is why in exit polls Republicans - even those who voted for other candidates - overwhelmingly picked McCain as the best Commander in Chief and we are at war. That was probably a big consideration for a lot of people.
McCain has also shown great commitment to principle in opposing pork barrel spending. This may not be a big issue for most Americans but it does show that he was willing to live out his principles on an issue he cares about.
And of course, there was his heroic personal narrative. I think a lot of people felt that -during his captivity in Hanoi - McCain showed the kind of character they want in a President.
And let’s look at the other candidates:
Mitt Romney: palpably slick, not at all conservative until he decided to run for President, made buying health insurance mandatory in Massachusetts.
Huckabee; A big social conservative, but not economically conservative at all, disturbingly soft on criminal justice matters.
Fred Thompson: Conservative, but got into the race late and hadn’t been in politics for some time.
Ron Paul: Not even a serious candidate
Guiliani: Less conservative than McCain. Semi pro choice, 3 marriages. Kids not speaking to him.
(I still like him though and hope he runs for Senator)
Not counting Fred Thompson, McCain was arguably the most conservative candidate in the race.
Erick,
I agree with you that Republicans shouldn’t ever pander- but I’m not sure about your assessment of the GOP establishment. Do you really think they are going out of their way to pick moderates? Or do you think that just in a few races where the moderate happens to have a lot more name recognition or the state is especially blue - they are willing to compromise? either way they should be opposed but the establishment GOP may not be AS far from the grassroots as you think.
bleh
Oz Thursday, December 10th at 10:48AM EST (link)Romney was far more conservative and would have governed more conservatively than McCain.
Thompson was my first choice but he wanted to do it on his time table and frankly, you can’t do that and win ( you can do it but Thompson tells us why its a bad idea).
Jindal is my choice moving forward but not sure he’ll jump in.
Joe Lieberman is a big supporter of the war in Iraq.
gekster Thursday, December 10th at 10:56AM EST (link)And hes liberal
Like McCain?
We are there in the various Tea Party groups, leaderless, but not rudderless.
We steer always toward the Constitutional principles this nation was founded upon.
Erick Brockway
Freedom is the goal. The Constitution is the way.
Beaglescout
Every deer hunter in Michigan still likes to take a shot at a squirrel, rabbit, troll, or even a tribble every now and then.
LOL! Come on now.
clowngirl Thursday, December 10th at 11:21AM EST (link)McCain has been consistently Pro-Life
He’s never voted to raise taxes
He’s pro free trade - even by “Club for Growth” standards
He’s pro 2nd Amendment
He’s never accepted a penny in pork barrel spending
He’s voted in a conservative manner on criminal justice and welfare state type issues.
I realize conservatives have a problem with McCain but on the vast majority of issues McCain is distinctly Republican. It is simply not accurate to act as though he is indistinguishable from a Democrat. (though Lieberman’s now an independent)
My point is not to defend John McCain, I’m just saying that I think there is less of a divide in the Republican party than you all seem to be thinking.
Not counting Thompson (whose conservativeness scores only slightly higher than McCain’s and who got into the race extremely late) There simply was not a candidate who had a consistent conservative record on the ballot.
McCain was not a stupid choice.
ok, now I’m going to go back to self-censoring on this topic.
Somethings do depend on your idea of Conservatism
Richard Mullins Thursday, December 10th at 11:35AM EST (link)Yes, he’s a Republican but conservative at points is a real stretch. Is the man that thinks that there is “Man-made” global warming? That’s not conservative at all. What about Campaign Finance reform? Really, I can find more things that aren’t conservative. I hope you remember that.
Richard Phillip Mullins BlogThe Squash Satire SiteNews on Happy Jet Airlines
Rmullins Pics
Rpmullins Twitter
Joe Biden is like a Decrepit Park owner with a Meth lab that happens to not only be a dealer but a user.
Let’s Bankrupt the Democratic paty. Make spend all the money to defend thier candidates.
I'll agree with you but I don't agree with getting nit picky
clowngirl Thursday, December 10th at 12:20PM EST (link)that McCain does differ with his party on a few issues. Global warming, campaign finance (which is done already and not really an ongoing issue) I’ll even concede - right off- that he is not across the board conservative if you’re taking a sort of finicky view of the term- but he is at least distinctly Republican on the vast majority of issues and it’s a big leap to go from “he’s not as conservative as I’d like” to ” he’s a liberal”. To me that kind of rhetoric is irresponsible.
I was really frustrated with (for example) Huckabee supporters who wouldn’t support McCain - or were waiting to see who he chose as Vice President before they lifted a finger or gave a dime because they were concerned about stem cell research or McCain “not talking enough about his pro-life views”. I get that it’s their big hot button issue and they have genuine problems with McCian’s view but when your choice is McCain who has consistently voted against abortion in every form that it’s ever come up - who has a 0% rating from the pro-choice groups or Obama who fought to and nail to allow infanticide - they need to get over themselves and get to work.
I’m all for conservatives taking control of their party and nominating strong, principled candidates who agree with their views but I don’t agree with sitting things out because you don’t get your dream candidate. “I’m just not motivated by this candidate” is such a cop out. In 2008, OBAMA should’ve provided enough motivation.
I even heard a lot of ” I hope McCain loses so Obama can screw up the country so bad that we finally get a real conservative in office” (not at Redstate which I didn’t even visit yet) that shows a seriously misguided set of priorities.
I don’t think Erick or anyone at Redstate is suggesting anything like that - I’m just
a) venting a little bit - we’ve all got our pet theories/ scapegoes form the 2008 election
b) making the point that it’s important not to classify all possible views into the two categories of “ultra conservative” and “liberal”. The point stil needs to be to win elections. You see the “purist” stuff with 3rd parties who - unless we suddenly get Instant Run Off Voting will never be anything but irrelevant/a nuisance in major elections. I have a Libertarian friend who will keep trying to argue that there was no difference between McCain and Obama - and I’m sure that helps him feel better about doing nothing to defeat Obama - but it’s far from true and we are now suffering because of folks who think like that.
For what it's worth...I'm ashamed I caved and voted for him...
AceInTX Thursday, December 10th at 1:28PM EST (link)I justified it to myself by saying I was voting for Palin…but I have felt smarmy and covered in filth since I voted for him!
and I won’t do it again…ever!
House Conservatives Fund
Michael Williams for Senate
Toomey US Senate
SarahPAC
I'm not
zuiko Thursday, December 10th at 1:54PM EST (link)It was either him or Obama. Given how Obama has far exceeded even my expectation of horribleness, I can’t feel bad at all for voting for McCain, as bad as he was (and he was very bad).
Underlying most arguments against the free market is a lack of belief in freedom itself. - Milton Friedman
yeah..well...I can't get past the feeling that by voting for him I gave my consent to McCain Fiengold...
AceInTX Thursday, December 10th at 2:28PM EST (link)As someone who loves the first amendment only slightly less than I do my God or my Family, I can help the feeling that I laid freedom of speech on the alter and slit her throat all in the name of political expediency!
House Conservatives Fund
Michael Williams for Senate
Toomey US Senate
SarahPAC
He's not a conservative and never has been...he's an old line progressive in the mold of Teddy Roosevelt....he's said so himself! nt
AceInTX Thursday, December 10th at 1:26PM EST (link)House Conservatives Fund
Michael Williams for Senate
Toomey US Senate
SarahPAC
Well, Teddy Roosevelt was a much better President than Obama. nt
clowngirl Thursday, December 10th at 3:13PM EST (link)LOL <nt>
gekster Thursday, December 10th at 12:06PM EST (link)We are there in the various Tea Party groups, leaderless, but not rudderless.
We steer always toward the Constitutional principles this nation was founded upon.
Erick Brockway
Freedom is the goal. The Constitution is the way.
Beaglescout
Every deer hunter in Michigan still likes to take a shot at a squirrel, rabbit, troll, or even a tribble every now and then.
Um...McCain would never vote to raise taxes?
AceInTX Thursday, December 10th at 1:24PM EST (link)please explain his cap and trade support then?
I don’t want to fight the last election because I’m happy to me rid of the old buzzard in presidential politics…but let’s not try and rewrite history with people who know what history is and cares about the truth of it shall we?
House Conservatives Fund
Michael Williams for Senate
Toomey US Senate
SarahPAC
He also helped block CONSERVATIVE judges from the federal bench
ceili_dancer Thursday, December 10th at 1:40PM EST (link)Plus, his partner in crime voted for Justice Sotomayor. He was called a maverick (I really hate that term) for a reason. He stuck a thumb to the eye to conservatives so many times (hence the New York Times endorsement) and the rumor going around that he was going to nominate Democrat Joe Lieberman for his VP.
McCain won due to a backroom "deal"
joayn Thursday, December 10th at 11:10AM EST (link)with Huckabee to shut out Romney. So much for honorable. Yeah, yeah I know that sounds naive, but I was really disappointed that he did this. As I recall, it was done in a really underhanded way.
And by the way, all three candidates stunk, IMHO.
America is an idea; a noble idea that essentially boils down to the shocking belief that the masses are in fact not asses. John Nolte
So your now saying that we don't have stupids as electorate in our party
Richard Mullins Thursday, December 10th at 11:18AM EST (link)That fairly sums it up. The passionate keep believing that, the McCainiacs still believe the electorate isn’t stupid. Honestly, we need start thinking first and stop coming with stupid ideas that mean nothing.
Richard Phillip Mullins BlogThe Squash Satire SiteNews on Happy Jet Airlines
Rmullins Pics
Rpmullins Twitter
Joe Biden is like a Decrepit Park owner with a Meth lab that happens to not only be a dealer but a user.
Let’s Bankrupt the Democratic paty. Make spend all the money to defend thier candidates.
You are correct. I don't think the majority of Republicans are stupid.
clowngirl Thursday, December 10th at 11:35AM EST (link)Or even the plurality that picked McCain.
Romney had a lot of problems as a candidate. Much of his rhetoric was dishonest or heavily spun, I particularly didn’t like the way he parsed his words on the war. To me, he came across as as somebody who would say anything to get elected.
If Romney was really the conservative representative in the last election - then I submit that conservatives need to run better candidates and not go blaming the electorate when their choice loses.
Your argument is epic FAIL
Richard Mullins Thursday, December 10th at 11:49AM EST (link)I had diary post around here with the title,”I can almost guarantee that 2010 is going to be “Meet the New Boss, Same as the Old Boss”. I had the point we doing the predictable thing that keeps giving the same result. We as a people don’t like criticism and so doing we don’t like looking like idiots but we are. That nature of things and real look our failing in voting is necessary. You might to read that post, Clowngirl. That might help stop naivety.
Richard Phillip Mullins BlogThe Squash Satire SiteNews on Happy Jet Airlines
Rmullins Pics
Rpmullins Twitter
Joe Biden is like a Decrepit Park owner with a Meth lab that happens to not only be a dealer but a user.
Let’s Bankrupt the Democratic paty. Make spend all the money to defend thier candidates.
Post a link and I'll read it. nt.
clowngirl Thursday, December 10th at 3:15PM EST (link)Ok here it is just for you Clowngirl
Richard Mullins Thursday, December 10th at 10:44PM EST (link)http://www.redstate.com/rmullins/2008/12/08/i-can-almost-guarantee
I hope that helps you. I really mean that.
Richard Phillip Mullins BlogThe Squash Satire SiteNews on Happy Jet Airlines
Rmullins Pics
Rpmullins Twitter
Joe Biden is like a Decrepit Park owner with a Meth lab that happens to not only be a dealer but a user.
Let’s Bankrupt the Democratic paty. Make spend all the money to defend thier candidates.
Opps, a kowalski
Richard Mullins Thursday, December 10th at 10:47PM EST (link)http://www.redstate.com/2009/12/08/i-can-almost-guarantee
That’s what I get for getting the year wrong
Richard Phillip Mullins BlogThe Squash Satire SiteNews on Happy Jet Airlines
Rmullins Pics
Rpmullins Twitter
Joe Biden is like a Decrepit Park owner with a Meth lab that happens to not only be a dealer but a user.
Let’s Bankrupt the Democratic paty. Make spend all the money to defend thier candidates.
The first link goes to an article on regulating college football the second says article not found. nt
clowngirl Thursday, December 10th at 11:36PM EST (link)Ok one more time
Richard Mullins Thursday, December 10th at 11:58PM EST (link)http://www.redstate.com/rmullins/2009/12/08/i-can-almost-guarentee
I’m sure it will work this time.
You can always read it in the original form
http://rpmullins.wordpress.com/2007/12/07/i-can-almost-guarentee
That should about do.
Richard Phillip Mullins BlogThe Squash Satire SiteNews on Happy Jet Airlines
Rmullins Pics
Rpmullins Twitter
Joe Biden is like a Decrepit Park owner with a Meth lab that happens to not only be a dealer but a user.
Let’s Bankrupt the Democratic paty. Make spend all the money to defend thier candidates.
There I go again, misspelling my work
Richard Mullins Friday, December 11th at 12:04AM EST (link)http://www.redstate.com/rmullins/2009/12/08/i-can-almost-guarantee
and then the original
http://rpmullins.wordpress.com/2009/12/07/i-can-almost-guarantee
It should work,because if it doesn’t I’m going to re-do it in the morning(it’s after 2300 CST and I need some sleep).
Richard Phillip Mullins BlogThe Squash Satire SiteNews on Happy Jet Airlines
Rmullins Pics
Rpmullins Twitter
Joe Biden is like a Decrepit Park owner with a Meth lab that happens to not only be a dealer but a user.
Let’s Bankrupt the Democratic paty. Make spend all the money to defend thier candidates.
clowngirl...You're missing the point altogether here.
conservativemusician Thursday, December 10th at 12:29PM EST (link)The problem with McCain is that conservatives couldn’t trust him to make the correct decisions on major issues during crunch time. Sure he’s strong on some things, but on the majority of other issues, it would be a crap shoot as to which way he would go because in his heart of hearts he is a liberal. Illegal immigration is one such example as he is for it and 80% of the public was against it.
He has demonstrated on numerous occasions his propensity to side with liberals in the spirit of compromise. We don’t need that now. We need stiff resistance. Rush has stated correctly that McCain and others of his ilk still think they are living in the days when Dole was in the Senate when times were more “collegial”. We need strong, conservative leadership now, not someone that we will always have to wonder about how they will vote (like Snowe and Collins).
My point is that McCain didn't win BECAUSE of being moderate
clowngirl Thursday, December 10th at 3:04PM EST (link)I don’t know anybody who said they voted for McCain because they really love McCain/Feingold or McCain/Kennedy (Which McCain wisely abandoned when he saw the public was appalled)
My point is that McCain won because of his strengths on issues where he was (at least mostly conservative) because he was a known quantity, because he was very welll known, because he’s a war hero, because he was a particularly strong proponent of the “Surge” and because of the general weakness of the rest of the Republican field,
My point was not to defend McCain - but I will do that for a moment now.
You can’t rightfully lump him in with Olympia Snowe. Objectivity needs to play some role in the discussion and Snowe’s lifetime ACU rating is 47.88 with a 2008 rating of 12. TWELVE! In 2008 she literally voted like a loyal Democrat. She can be called a RINO without exagerration.
With McCain it is different.You state “in his heart of hearts, he’s a liberal’” but I completely disagree. His instinct - pretty clearly is to be pro-life, pro gun, and in favor of a free market and a strong defense. There are odd issues where he’s disagreed with his party but his lifetime ACU rating is 82.3 - and he’s getting more conservative now rather than less. This year he has voted with the GOP consensus 95.4% of the time. (the highest level of his career) He can not be accurately described as a Republican in Name Only because he votes with the Republicans - at this point - almost 20 times more than he votes with the Democrats.
Right Wing politics has a somewhat amusing article called “the Politics of the Grudge” Noting that McCain was a fairly reliable Republican vote until he lost to Bush and now that he won the nomination but lost the general election he’s happy with his own party and hacked off at Democrats and so is getting more conservative. I don’t really agree with the theory but you anti-McCain types might like it. Here’s the link if you want to read it:
http://rightwingnews.com/mt331/2009/08/john_mccains_politics_of_the_g.php
Read the link you refer to here clowngirl...
conservativemusician Thursday, December 10th at 6:04PM EST (link)And I’m still not impressed that McCain is as reliably conservative as you make him out to be. I still believe he has liberal instincts, so we’ll have to agree to disagree on that. The fact that he was a “squish” for 8 years after losing to Bush in the 2000 primaries tells me all I need to know about him in that he is vindictive and selfish. Frankly, I look for more emotional maturity from our side of the aisle and along the way since 2000, he has done a lot of damage supporting liberal policies, even if his overall conservative rating is fairly high. We shouldn’t have to continually worry about whether he is going to try and reach out to the other side so much. Some legislation just has to be defeated - like health care - and I think McCain just can’t help himself sometimes in trying to be “collegial”. That ship has sailed, but he seems to be oblivious to this fact.
I remain unonvinced that he is trustworthy. I really hope that eventually, he will lose to a more conservative candidate in AZ during a primary. I held my nose at the ballot box and voted for McCain last year, but going forward, we have to better than just settling for someone like McCain who is such a mixed bag because he is the better of two repugnant choices.
I also agree with joayn’s post upthread that McCain made some back room deals to become the GOP candidate. He was the choice of the establishment - the perfect moderate - and you see where it got us. Many stayed home on our side. He was a terrible candidate because his core convictions are not really that conservative, so he has a lot more fence mending to do before he’ll ever get back my trust and respect.
Romney sucks too...only slightly less so than McCain
AceInTX Thursday, December 10th at 1:32PM EST (link)We had nothing but bad choices last time except Fred who was too laid back and didn’t really give us a chance to rally to his banner…
Seriously…if we end up with any of the trash we had to choose from in 2008 as the nominee in 2o12…we’ll be inaugurating Obama to his second term in Jan 2013
House Conservatives Fund
Michael Williams for Senate
Toomey US Senate
SarahPAC
McCain probably financed by Obummer
stevor Thursday, December 10th at 12:01PM EST (link)I wish I knew hot to check it out but I’d bet that Obummer helped get McCain on the ballot because he knew he could beat McCain!
We already know that he was supported by Soros during the lean times of Dec. 07
ceili_dancer Thursday, December 10th at 1:19PM EST (link)N/T
What's that thwup-thwup-thuwp I hear. Oh...it's the black helicopters!
smagar Thursday, December 10th at 1:38PM EST (link)Next thing you know, we’ll find out that someone close to McCain was born on June 6th, 1966! (6/6/66)
“Who will stand/On either hand/And guard this bridge with me?” (Macaulay)
So your trying to say
ceili_dancer Thursday, December 10th at 1:51PM EST (link)Nothing to see here. If you see anything you are paranoid and only have shadows to fear?
I'm saying you should show evidence that Obama funded McCain. nt
smagar Thursday, December 10th at 5:03PM EST (link)“Who will stand/On either hand/And guard this bridge with me?” (Macaulay)
I never said Obama helped fund McCain
ceili_dancer Thursday, December 10th at 5:11PM EST (link)I said Soros did. Check Drudge Report back in Jan or Feb 2008.
Kowalski
ceili_dancer Thursday, December 10th at 5:16PM EST (link)before you ask for articles, here’s one.
http://www.wnd.com/index.php?fa=PAGE.view&pageId=56177
WND Feb. 11, 2008
Close...I can show you money going from Soros and SEIU to the Republican Main Street Partnership which gave money and their Chaffee award to McCain
AceInTX Thursday, December 10th at 2:09PM EST (link)there is a seedy underbelly in the left side of the Republican party that demands someone who can investigate the funding and where it comes from for some of these groups.
The Republican Main Street Partnership is without doubt a third column that is being funded by George Soros, the SEIU and Andy Stern, Acorn and other left wing organizations. They can brag about such past and present members as Charlie Bass, John McCain, Lincoln Chaffee, Jim Jeffords, Arlen Specter, Susan ColIins, Olympia Snowe and they are currently led by Tom Davis.
! don’t have the time or know how to trace all of this down…but I’ve made a start
House Conservatives Fund
Michael Williams for Senate
Toomey US Senate
SarahPAC
Sorry to disagree on this but McCain won because HE LIED....
AceInTX Thursday, December 10th at 1:14PM EST (link)he ran as a so called “foot soldier in the Reagan Revolution”….he emphasized issues where he was conservative and downplayed issues where he was a liberal….and let’s not down play the fact that he was the last one standing after all the other bad candidates tore each other to shreds….we were handed a bill of goods last time out.
And now they’re lined up to serve us the same white washed pile of turds this time out….
Erick is right…We’re headed into the primaries…and it’s time to flex our muscles…turn up the heat…and keep the fire burning at white hot levels till it consumes the cancer that has but us at 40 Republicrats in the Senate…
House Conservatives Fund
Michael Williams for Senate
Toomey US Senate
SarahPAC
BTW...McCain is the Establishment...the establishment is McCain
AceInTX Thursday, December 10th at 1:15PM EST (link)they’re all cut from the same jib!
House Conservatives Fund
Michael Williams for Senate
Toomey US Senate
SarahPAC
He's voted with his party 95.4% of the time this year
clowngirl Thursday, December 10th at 3:18PM EST (link)what more do you want?
Playing up the issues where he’s been in agreement with his party and downplaying the others isn’t really lying, Ace. It’s just being smart.
But I agree with you that his victory had a lot to do with the weaknesses of the rest of the candidates.
Key word party
ceili_dancer Thursday, December 10th at 3:41PM EST (link)As for voting when it counts for conservatives, it turns in to a craphoot. Grantyed the dice are sleightly weighted, but to not rely on a vote just to get something, anything passed is not productive. The government has a bad habit of screwing things up and I’d just rather they leave me the F alone.
He's running for reelection this year clowngirl he's lying now...
AceInTX Thursday, December 10th at 4:13PM EST (link)he doesn’t vote with the party 90+ percent of the time when he’s not on the ballot…that’s my problem with him!
House Conservatives Fund
Michael Williams for Senate
Toomey US Senate
SarahPAC
Exactly AcelnTX...555
conservativemusician Thursday, December 10th at 6:08PM EST (link)(n/t)
Alright. I'm just gonna agree to disagree
clowngirl Thursday, December 10th at 11:42PM EST (link)with y’all on McCain’s motives. etc.
I got into an argument about McCain before so I understand a little bit why some people don’t like him - but, because it seems to go so deep and to have become so personal - it doesn’t seem like there that much point in arguing about it. It sounds like no matter what he does, y’all will find some way to find fault. If he single handedly stopped Obamacare you’d be like “what took him so long? He obviously waited to make sure it happened in an election year…”
Please understand...nothing I've said to you was intended to be personal to you...
AceInTX Friday, December 11th at 11:41AM EST (link)As for McCain…you can look at his ACU voting record…you can always tell when he was on the ballot becausae his ACU record improves in those years…
And Lindsey Graham found out recently how loyal he can be…after championing Cap and Trade for the last 2 years or so…He trashed it and Graham for supporting it a couple weeks ago because it wouldn’t look good to his voters…
It’s true…I loath the man and don’t see many redeeming qualities in him…I don’t hold anything against anyone for supporting him…but I have a lot of residual bad feelings about being forced to vote for him last year when everything I believe in to the core of my being was screaming for me not to
House Conservatives Fund
Michael Williams for Senate
Toomey US Senate
SarahPAC
Of course. That was understood. :) nt
clowngirl Friday, December 11th at 5:53PM EST (link)There is still bang for buck that needs to be considered
Oz Thursday, December 10th at 10:44AM EST (link)Devore may be a better choice than Fiorina but neither is likely to win.
Whereas money spent in Florida or Arkansas has a much more likely chance of counting for something.
Make the Dem's fight EVERYWHERE!!!
AceInTX Thursday, December 10th at 2:12PM EST (link)stop this micro targeting crap because it leads to a micro party!
House Conservatives Fund
Michael Williams for Senate
Toomey US Senate
SarahPAC
I'm with you and telling the NRSC about it too.
earlgrey Thursday, December 10th at 11:10AM EST (link)I got a survey from the NRSC. I filled it out with a very small contribution ($25/just to keep on their mailing list). I put in the survey comment section the other conservative causes that to which I have contributed more generously. Many of those causes are from things I read on this very site. I want them to know where the money is going.
Communicate openly, freely and tell it like it is. Don’t dodge the uncomfortable subject. Be up front. Tell people what you are doing and why.
They shred tose surveys right after they take the checks out...I quit filling them out years ago nt
AceInTX Thursday, December 10th at 2:13PM EST (link)House Conservatives Fund
Michael Williams for Senate
Toomey US Senate
SarahPAC
Don't waste your money
chbroussard Thursday, December 10th at 7:03PM EST (link)I stopped giving money to the RNC, RNSC and NRCC almost two years ago. Every time they call me, I tell them I’m not giving them any more money until they start supporting conservative candidates. When they send me their surveys, I tell them I’m donating directly to individual candidates. Doesn’t seem to matter. They still call me and they continue to keep me on their mailing list. If you’ve ever given them one red cent, don’t worry. They’re not going to remove your name.
New Poll: Huckabee Undamaged. Remains Front Runner.
BSR Thursday, December 10th at 11:14AM EST (link)http://mikehuckabeepresident2012.blogspot.com/2009/12/public-policy-polling-huckabee-still.html
Write your own diary
Neil Stevens Thursday, December 10th at 11:33AM EST (link)Threadjack terminated.
Mgmt.
Unlikely Voter: Poll Analysis, Election Projection.
Current Senate Projection: Republicans +7.
Current House Projection: Republicans +58
Give to the NRCC to fire Nancy Pelosi in November. Become a Precinct Committeeman to fire Michael Steele in December.
My apologies for the "thread jack"
BSR Thursday, December 10th at 3:53PM EST (link)I did not intend for this to come across as a thread-jack, but I see how it did. My intended point was this: If you want to take on the GOP establishment, and grow Independent support for the GOP, Huckabee is your man. This poll shows 1) He is here to stay as the front runner, and 2) he is very popular with independents.
Again, my apologies.
BSR
We'd get the felon vote, for sure nt
aesthete Thursday, December 10th at 5:02PM EST (link)“Yet it is very certain that [the Commerce Clause] grew out of the abuse of the power by the importing States in taxing the nonimporting, and was intended as a negative and preventive provision against injustice among the States themselves, rather than as a power to be used for the positive purposes of the General Government, in which alone, however, the remedial power could be lodged.”
-James Madison
Huckabee sucks. So 2008. Next. nt
joayn Thursday, December 10th at 11:39AM EST (link)America is an idea; a noble idea that essentially boils down to the shocking belief that the masses are in fact not asses. John Nolte
Huckabee IS damaged
stevor Thursday, December 10th at 12:03PM EST (link)He had questionable payments made to him some while back, I’m pretty sure. He pardoned that guy that came back and murdered people.
I voted for him but now think Romney would have been a better choice.
Our side will stay home again and not vote for Huckabee...
conservativemusician Thursday, December 10th at 12:14PM EST (link)Just like they didn’t vote for McCain last year. Too much baggage here and we’ll have four more years in the wilderness if he is the nominee…God help us. Try again please.
Guys, when I say Threadjack terminated...
Neil Stevens Thursday, December 10th at 12:23PM EST (link)…It means don’t reply.
Unlikely Voter: Poll Analysis, Election Projection.
Current Senate Projection: Republicans +7.
Current House Projection: Republicans +58
Give to the NRCC to fire Nancy Pelosi in November. Become a Precinct Committeeman to fire Michael Steele in December.
I stayed out of this thread because this person isn't worth the time to get wacked
Richard Mullins Thursday, December 10th at 12:36PM EST (link)I personally adhered to the Hinz rule on this person. I think I’ll try to restrain myself from replying to these idiots.
Richard Phillip Mullins BlogThe Squash Satire SiteNews on Happy Jet Airlines
Rmullins Pics
Rpmullins Twitter
Joe Biden is like a Decrepit Park owner with a Meth lab that happens to not only be a dealer but a user.
Let’s Bankrupt the Democratic paty. Make spend all the money to defend thier candidates.
Stopped donating to the RNC, NRCC, NRSC
joayn Thursday, December 10th at 11:33AM EST (link)during the Hoffman/Scozzafava debacle.
Sent letters to each telling them why. Switched my support to Sen. Jim DeMint’s Senate Conservative Fund:
http://senateconservatives.com/index.php?p=home&c=UFWC8
As well as support to Rep. Patrick McHenry’s (don’t you love that name?) group:
http://houseconservatives.com/index.php?c=
I will start e-mailing the RNC, et al again (esp. Rob Jesmer), starting today, reiterating my stance. If they continue to ignore us/push us aside, no bucks for them. And I would be willing to bet that if conservatives do not donate, that’s a might big chunk of missing change.
As Ace said, they expect us to do the heavy lifting (and donating). Well, no more for me, thankyouverymuch.
America is an idea; a noble idea that essentially boils down to the shocking belief that the masses are in fact not asses. John Nolte
Yes, the GOP does NOT represent conservatives
stevor Thursday, December 10th at 11:54AM EST (link)I’m NOT a Democrat (fascists in the sense that they want their “ruling class” to do the thinking of the brainless minions). They’re too liberal. I’m NOT a Republican. They’re too much for big corporations stealing money off the top of the economy by having laws passed to enable them to do that (fascism).
I am a Conservative. I am for conservation. I am for doing things the way that our Founders thought it ought to be done. After reading the Libertarian stance, I’ve become a Libertarian.
No, the Libertarian platform is NOT perfect, but it’s probably a lot closer to what true conservatives believe than what the GOP stands for!
Sorry pal, that single point conservatism isn't very conservative
Richard Mullins Thursday, December 10th at 12:01PM EST (link)Thank you for continuing the same path with the same results. Idiots like you are well loved by all leftists. They would give a thank you note and a check but they’re worried that would toss the card and rip up the check.
Richard Phillip Mullins BlogThe Squash Satire SiteNews on Happy Jet Airlines
Rmullins Pics
Rpmullins Twitter
Joe Biden is like a Decrepit Park owner with a Meth lab that happens to not only be a dealer but a user.
Let’s Bankrupt the Democratic paty. Make spend all the money to defend thier candidates.
stevor...This is not a libertarian site.
conservativemusician Thursday, December 10th at 12:06PM EST (link)And you’re not going to get very far here as this is a site that espouses and promotes conservative and GOP values. Many of us here agree that a number of the current crop of GOP leaders have fallen away from conservaitve principles and are pursuing strategies that are based more on tactics than principle. However, starting a 3rd party by voting libertarian is a sure recipe for failure in 2010 and beyond. We’re here to rebuild the GOP party by promoting true conservatism and those candidates that believe in this philosophy. So with all due respect, please post elsewhere if you are going to continue bashing the GOP. You are wasting our time.
CM
Yeah, except that in 38 years of existence the Libertarians have never managed to elect so much as a single congressman.
Third Street Thursday, December 10th at 12:08PM EST (link)But hey, who knows, right? The first four decades of party-building are the hardest.
“Annual income twenty pounds, annual expenditure nineteen nineteen six, result happiness. Annual income twenty pounds, annual expenditure twenty pounds ought and six, result misery.” –Wilkins Micawber, “David Copperfield”
You're for conservation?
joayn Thursday, December 10th at 12:08PM EST (link)Or do you mean conservatism? Thought you were a greenie at first.
I’m really, really, really sorry to say this, but Libertarians are nuts. Independent, I can see the attraction. But Libertarian? That’s just a big free-for-all platform.
Seriously, stevor, it’s time to grow up and choose a side. Throw off the chains of youthful fancies and choose the realities of life. It’s so much more fun than living in a unicorn world …
America is an idea; a noble idea that essentially boils down to the shocking belief that the masses are in fact not asses. John Nolte
G'bye
Neil Stevens Thursday, December 10th at 12:24PM EST (link)Have fun beating your chest in a show of all ego, no progress.
But I’m not really going to let you promote the Crazy party here.
Unlikely Voter: Poll Analysis, Election Projection.
Current Senate Projection: Republicans +7.
Current House Projection: Republicans +58
Give to the NRCC to fire Nancy Pelosi in November. Become a Precinct Committeeman to fire Michael Steele in December.
Conservatives will lose a "civil war."
Achance Thursday, December 10th at 12:08PM EST (link)I know it is a nice romantic image to charge shoulder against the massed establishment muskets and take back the shining city on the hill, but like a lot of famous charges, the massed muskets behind the established wall will win.
There is a reason the establishment is the establishment; it is ESTABLISHED. All the blog rants and Tea Party rallies in the World aren’t going to change a thing unless and until the people who are shouting “Aux Barricade” show up at precint meetings and caucuses, become known to their district and state Party leadership, run for and win district and state Party offices, and raise money and back or become candidates. Until they do that, they are no threat to the established leadership of the Republican Party.
As Erick points out, even losing two straight elections and losing control of two branches of government in the span of four short years has not cost any of these people their jobs. And the reason they still have their jobs is that all the opposition is acting like a bunch of lefties blogging and out in the streets singing songs and and carrying signs. “Wadda we want - freedom; When do we want it - NOW” sounds just as dumb and dated coming from the right as from the left. I’m not saying we shouldn’t do that, but I’m saying it doesn’t effect any fundamental change in the Party.
I watched as the Left in this Country went from a bunch of hippies out singing songs and carrying signs to control of the Democrat Party to control of the Country. The singing songs and carrying signs got them precisely NO political power, in fact lessened their power, see, e.g., McGovern v. Nixon. But as the draft wound down and youthful enthusiam waned, the hard core, the thoughtful, mostly communist, activists started going to Democrat Party caucuses for reasons other than just raising Hell. Going to raise Hell got them McGovern, but McGovern got them ignominious defea because they had no meaningful political organizationt. They learned from that and went to work at the grunt work of Party organization and became the “establishment” of the Democrat Party and, especially, of its front groups and paramilitary wing, the non-profits and the unions.
If you want to defeat the establishment, then you need to begin to work seriously to BECOME the establishment. As long as you’re on the outside, you’re nothing more than an outsider.
In Vino Veritas
You got some big
LibRick Thursday, December 10th at 12:36PM EST (link)time writing chops. Thought of doing a book? I”ll pre-order!
LibRick, Art is working on a book.
penguin2 Thursday, December 10th at 12:59PM EST (link)He has extraordinary insight, experience and the ability to put it all down on paper.
He knows the how and why, it is up to us to follow-up, or we will be saying these same things for the next decade and then some.
Resistance to tyrants is obedience to God. - Benjamin Franklin
When Good stands up to Evil, Evil blinks. - Vassar Bushmills
Constitutional Knowledge found at: RedState University
Conservative Education: Suggested Reading List
Thanks, penguin2, but the book is a disorganized mess right now
Achance Thursday, December 10th at 1:21PM EST (link)and I need to get serious about finding an editor that can get it organized and proritized for me. It’s kinda now or never ’cause the ‘10 election ain’t far away. This spring’s legislative sessions around the Country will fly by and we’ll all be in full tilt campaign mode by April or May. It’s funny how the political calendar still follows the old-time military calendar of the armies starting to tramp as soon as the roads began to dry in late March or early April and most of the great battles were in June or July with a second round of battles in the Fall before the roads went bad and the armies returned to winter quarters.
In Vino Veritas
Thanks, LibRick! nt
Achance Thursday, December 10th at 1:53PM EST (link)In Vino Veritas
FANTASTIC post Achance. Nailed it. nt
nycenterright Thursday, December 10th at 12:48PM EST (link)55555 (nt)
Third Street Thursday, December 10th at 1:25PM EST (link)“Annual income twenty pounds, annual expenditure nineteen nineteen six, result happiness. Annual income twenty pounds, annual expenditure twenty pounds ought and six, result misery.” –Wilkins Micawber, “David Copperfield”
You inspired me!
earlgrey Thursday, December 10th at 1:42PM EST (link)I went to the local party website signed up for the mailing list and will be watching for meetings that I can participate in– just missed one this morning if only this post had been yesterday. I have been active with tea party and contributing to conservative causes, but just now, because of your comment decided I need to participate in a local level with the republican party.
There is so much passion out there. As just one person I can’t make a big difference, but if we all channel our passion constructively we can make a difference. Thanks for your post.
Communicate openly, freely and tell it like it is. Don’t dodge the uncomfortable subject. Be up front. Tell people what you are doing and why.
HOO-ah! Well said! nt
smagar Thursday, December 10th at 1:44PM EST (link)“Who will stand/On either hand/And guard this bridge with me?” (Macaulay)
And there is the bucket of Ice Water on the whole excorcise! I'll let Erick clarify this if I'm wrong...
AceInTX Thursday, December 10th at 2:39PM EST (link)You’re absolutely right in all this Art…and some of us are doing it…but that’s not all of it…and it doesn’t deal with what Erick is talking about!
He’ll correct me if I’m wrong here but I think what he would say to this is…we need to be following what you outline here in the long term…but in the short term…I think Erick is saying we need to get out there and work for the Conservative candidates and elect them over the establishment candidates for this election…why you would want to discourage that is beyond me…but it seems like every time someone puts together a diary that get’s people fired up and ready to go to work…you come trotting along with a bucket of cold water to ice the whole effort!
Again, I know you’re right going into the long term…simply chanting and marching won’t get us anywhere…but killing people’s enthusiasm to get something done in the short term doesn’t help us either!
House Conservatives Fund
Michael Williams for Senate
Toomey US Senate
SarahPAC
Ace, if I ever need someone to lead a circular firing squad, you're my man.
Achance Thursday, December 10th at 3:28PM EST (link)You seem to be absolutely incapable of understanding anything more complicated than an on-off switch! Sure, you can go out there and primary incumbents, you might even beat a few, but it is pretty much like peeing your pants in a dark suit; it gives you a warm feeling and nobody notices. The conservative wing might lead a revolt that nominates Rubio and/or DeVore, but that isn’t going to change who’s running the Party.
Actually, what I think is most likely to happen is that a play for keeps primary battle leaves the winner so chewed up that the Democrat just steps over the carcass and into the seat. Ocassionally, some popular mood swing or mass hysteria overtakes the electorate and somebody comes from nowhere to win an office, but almost all of the time, no amount of ardor will overcome money and organization. So, until you control money and organization, you don’t have any real power and are at the whim of a fickle electorate. So, you can storm the barricades, I’ll take owning the barricade.
In Vino Veritas
and there's the straw man...noone is talking about a circular firing squad either,,,
AceInTX Thursday, December 10th at 4:07PM EST (link)we’re talking about getting behind conservative candidates in primaries where the establishment has backed liberals and moderates where the conservatives have a chance to win…why is that a problem for you? I don’t recall Erick calling for anyone being primaried in his post…and I don’t recall saying I wanted anyone primaried…so what’s your point?
again I agree with you in the long term…we have to become the establishment…but for now why can’t we back the candidates who agree with us most over the ones who don’t and are being pushed on us by leadership, or the establishment, or Viche Republicans or whatever name you want to give them?
so what are you saying here…that we should just lay down and let John Cornyn and the Senate club pick liberals for us with no protest…honestly…
What’s wrong with riding this wave and getting everything we can get out of it instead of just laying down and doing what we’re told? Why is it that you always come back to…”there’s no hope so just accept your lot in life?”
I don’t get why you always have to take everything and twist it the way you do and why you out of everyone here is the one who always has to be the bucket of ice water! I realize your experience has left you somewhat jaded…but seriously…I don’t get it…
Agaion I agree with you from a long term perspective…we can’t just carry signs and chant…and the current wave will ebb and we need to have our guys in place when it does…but for Pete’s sake…what’s wrong with fighting when you have the wind at your back?
House Conservatives Fund
Michael Williams for Senate
Toomey US Senate
SarahPAC
You don't have the wind at your back; you have naive illusions.
Achance Thursday, December 10th at 4:23PM EST (link)Republicans are irrelvant nationally and will be for a long time except as foils and the ocassional useful idiot that gives the Ds “bipartisan” cover. As I wrote a long time ago, we lost because we suck. The GWB administration could barely manage their bowel movements domestically and it wasn’t really their fault that the military did as well as it did in two very poorly thought out wars. The Republican Congress was simply reprehensible and its few remaining members largely continue to be so.
Conservatives and Republicans need to get back to the district and the State and get right with God and their constituents. We need to get the states we control in proper working order and gird for an assault by Comrade Obama’s auditors, investigators, and regulators. It is time for shortening lines, securing perimeters, and training and resupply. Raids into enemy held territory for more than harassing purposes are a forlorn hope and mostly simply a suicide mission.
Sure, we can get some gains in ‘10; some Ds lied their way into R seats and the fools in Congress should be forcing votes that pit those Ds against their constituents, but that wouldn’t be collegial, would it? By ‘12, even if the unemployment rate is 25% and the Chinese have us in foreclosure, Happy Days Will Be Here Again, and you’ll hear that 24/7 from every media outlet. Nobody’s going to beat Comrade Obama in ‘12 because there’s too much liberal guilt and denial for the public to admit the mistake they’ve made. But, maybe in ‘12 we can pick up enough seats to thwart them effectively. That is a realistic assessment of where we are and foolish notions of retaking the Country in ‘10 or even ‘12 are just that, foolish notions. This will have to be a long march, not a quick dash up a hill, and the only variable is that something catastrophic might change that, but it would be one Hell of a price to get back in power.
In Vino Veritas
you can quit if you want to but if I'm going down...I'm going down swinging
AceInTX Thursday, December 10th at 4:33PM EST (link)Shades of Jimmy Carter and Malaise…
Can we at least try to elect a couple Conservatives in 2010 or does that not fit with your gloom and doom scenario?
House Conservatives Fund
Michael Williams for Senate
Toomey US Senate
SarahPAC
Some of us understand things more complicated than light switches, Ace.
Achance Thursday, December 10th at 4:37PM EST (link)Life does not reduce to binary propositions and I am capable of doing more than one thing at the time or considering more than two possibilities.
In Vino Veritas
I'm not talking about black and white...on and off here Art...
AceInTX Thursday, December 10th at 5:00PM EST (link)if anything I have the more nuanced position in our current back and forth because I am distinguishing between what we should do in the long term which you are right on…and I agree with you 100% and the short term where I disagree with your pessimism and defeatest take on where we are in the short term…
What I see on the ground around me is 1994 on steroids…people are mad…something like 71% of people in recent polls are saying we’re heading off in the wrong direction…majorities approaching that are saying they want the government to get smaller not bigger and they’re getting mad as wet hens about the fact that the Democrats are ignoring them and growing government as fast as they can…what I see is the “leave me alone coalition” comming together in this election and it’s bigger than it was in 1994…it’s more enrgized than it was in 1994…and it’s madder than it was in 1994.
I think the Dems are in for a train wreck of epic proportions and the Republicans are going to benefit from the anger that is palpable out here in spite of the current leadership not because of it…
In the long term I agree with your pessimism because no matter how much we gain this year…we will lose that and then some if we get everything back and the establishment is allowed to slip back into the Bush/Rove/Delay slightly less socialist approach to government.
That, I believe, is what Erick is saying. At least that’s what I am saying…we need to ride this wave for all it’s worth…and we need to do it in a way that denies the Vichy Republicans the opportunity of saying we got it all back by running as watered down Democrats not because we decided to side with those who just wants the government to leave them the hell alone and acted accordingly!
but whatever…you’ll turn everything I just said upside down and accuse me of just wanting to primary good people while telling everyone how bad we’re gonna lose because we suck…so I don’t know why I’m even bothering.
House Conservatives Fund
Michael Williams for Senate
Toomey US Senate
SarahPAC
You may not think you're talking black and white,
Achance Thursday, December 10th at 5:58PM EST (link)but everything you say is Door A or Door B: Contest every election or walk off the field, challenge everyone with whom some nebulously defined “consevative” disagrees or walk off the field; in short, see it your way or you’re a RINO. It takes all kinds of critters to make Uncle Dan’s fritters and the only thing I care about is whether that critter will be a caucus vote.
In Vino Veritas
Maybe you're right...maybe not...but you're way oversimplifying what I've said...
AceInTX Thursday, December 10th at 7:03PM EST (link)I have a very narrow definition of who I call a RINO…I have two categories for them…one category is the RMSp fifth column types who actively attack the base while playing the poor victims by claiming any disagreement on anything they do is an attempt to purge them. They are constantly in your face…they are constantly agitating to minimize and exclude Republican base voters while crying the base is trying to do it to them…they are the RINOs who play ball with both sides and wait till the most opportune time to advance themselves by betraying the party at the most critical moment in our battles. McCain, Graham, and others fit this category…They may have voting records that are more conservative than liberal but their behavior is tactically timed to do as much damage to the Republican/conservative cause as possible.
The second are difinable by their voting records. These are the Snowes, the Collins, the Chafees, Jeffors before he left and and The Specters before he left. They have voting records well below 50% on the ACU scale.
That being said…you insist on dragging me into an apples discussion when I’m discussing Oranges.
What we’re talking about is denying the establishment the ability to claim their strategy of watering down our conservative message by taking out their liberal candidates with conservatives where we can.
What I see you doing is constantly throwing out comments and proof that “We suck”…but then trashing anyone who sets about trying to minimize our suckiness. You’ll say stuff I agree with and correctly identify the problem but then discount or discredit any idea anyone comes up with to change it.
Finally you’re right about my comments from another thread about spreading the battle into blue territory…if that’s what you’ve been going after me for in the last couple posts…I’m saying strategically that we need to take the battle into the enemy camp…but If I haven’t said it…let me say here…I realize we can’t do it all here. We need to concentrate now on taking back the red seats the dems fooled the voters into and get back into the majority…then we expand into their camp and take on purple and marginally blue areas…all the whil communicating our less government…leave us alone policies everywhere we can. That takes time…that takes a well thought out plan and sustained execution.
This is a debate forum and laying this out in detail won’t fly and what I and you are saying are often boiled down to their minimum elements making it easy to misread, misunderstand and mischaracterize each other’s position…
House Conservatives Fund
Michael Williams for Senate
Toomey US Senate
SarahPAC
Ace, if I'm catching Achance's drift here...
smagar Thursday, December 10th at 5:11PM EST (link)you come off so confused and angry that’s it impossible to envision anyone who approaches politics like you accomplishing anything meaningful.
It IS possible to imagine cold, calculating political operatives (e.g., Emmanuel, Axelrod) playing you for a fiddle come campaign and election time.
Wait…why can’t I be the bucket of ice water? Why do I have to be the pissing contest?
I don’t recall Erick calling for anyone being primaried in his post…and I don’t recall saying I wanted anyone primaried
Just what kind of a “civil war” do you plan on having? How do you plan to get rid of the “establishment” candidates? If they’re “establishment” candidates or officials, they’re established. They’re not simply going to go because you ask them. You’ll have to remove them.
What did you have in mind? Some sort of Jedhi mind trick that will make them vote conservative?
Do you even read the stuff you write?
“Who will stand/On either hand/And guard this bridge with me?” (Macaulay)
I come off as angry mainly with you...
AceInTX Thursday, December 10th at 8:14PM EST (link)because you out of anyone on this site can’t seem to disagree with someone without throwing bombs and name calling…I’ll admit climbing down into the gutter with you today by calling you Smeaglel based on my earlier exchanges with you…and apologize…
Art and I have a history and we usually throw things back and forth but are able to keep things from getting personal most of the time. I like debating with him because he tends to make me think and helps me refine my arguments…I don’t see you contributing much beyond insults and childish cat calls.
As for this post…it makes absolutely no sense to me what you are trying to say…because you ramble from one point to another and you don’t come to a conclusion on any of them.
First off: what is so hard to understand about my statement about calling for anyone to be primaried in this thread? I didn’t call for anything of the sort here…and neither did Erick. it’s a factual statement in response to Art’s accusation that we had called for people to be primaried in this thread. To be fair to Art, I’m sure he’s bringing other comments from other threads into this…and in some cases I have called for some RINOs to be primaried….but it has no relevance here and that’s the point I was making.
You finally get to a semi cogent point here which I’ll answer:
The Civil War Erick is talking about is the hyperbolic non existent one the Libs and the so called objective media says we’re having…it’s not a civil war it’s called the primaries…it’s called fighting for what you believe in…it’s called electing the guys that best represent your views…call it a civil war…call it internecine warfare…call it whatever you want…but this is what parties do…
You ask what I want?…I want Rubio to represent us in Florida.
I want Toomey to represent us in PA, (He’s representing us and polling ahead of Specter and Sestak…and I’ll add you and your bunch said Toomey was unelectable just a couple months ago didn’t you?).
I want Devore to represent us an CA. I want ANY conservative to represent us in any district he can win and in districts where perfect conservatives can’t win I want the most conservative candidate who can win to represent us…
I want the establishment to stop starting from an assumption that the conservative can’t win because he’s conservative and I want them to stop operating from an assumption that the moderate/liberal Republican is more “electable” because he’s a moderate/liberal.
I want a choice when I get in the voting booth not a dim copy of the Democrat.
That said…obviously you want just the opposite and you consider anyone who doesn’t agree with you to be too stupid or too beneath you to engage in honest discussion with them and with that I’ll invoke Hinz rule and bid you good day.
House Conservatives Fund
Michael Williams for Senate
Toomey US Senate
SarahPAC
Spot on e^a bunch (nt)
SteveLA Thursday, December 10th at 8:18PM EST (link)______________________________________
Competency over ideological purity and litmus tests
Excellent observations
aesthete Thursday, December 10th at 5:13PM EST (link)Fighting the establishment gives us notoriety and the occasional candidate; becoming the establishment costs less long-term, is more effective in achieving our objectives, and grants us access to party leadership and infrastructure, as well as more concrete and subtle ways to discipline party members who don’t stand with us on important votes. Little will change if we vote in another Tom Delay; lots will change if we have conservatives in charge of the GOP’s infrastructure.
“Yet it is very certain that [the Commerce Clause] grew out of the abuse of the power by the importing States in taxing the nonimporting, and was intended as a negative and preventive provision against injustice among the States themselves, rather than as a power to be used for the positive purposes of the General Government, in which alone, however, the remedial power could be lodged.”
-James Madison
my point here is we can do both...
AceInTX Thursday, December 10th at 7:41PM EST (link)go for what we can get now by beating as many establishment candidates as we can with conservatives…that’s the short term…
as for the long term, I’ve always advocated taking things over as Cold Warrior is so busy explaining to everyone…we need to be working into leadership from the precinct level to the district level to the states and finally nationally…it can be done…it was done in the 70s and again in the 90s….this time when we do it…we can’t go back to sleep and leave the establishment Rockefeller Republicans alone to work their mischief again…this time we need to get it…and keep it!
House Conservatives Fund
Michael Williams for Senate
Toomey US Senate
SarahPAC
I haven't read all these comments
itrytobenice Thursday, December 10th at 12:51PM EST (link)and someone else has probably said it far better than me, but…
I don’t want to *fight* the establishment, I want to *be* the establishment.
No matter how hard we fight, the fact of the matter is they control the power structure. They will always win. We have to take control of the money and organization.
I’m on my county committee now and intend to use the next few years figuring out exactly how I can influence who it is the R party of MO supports and opposes. And then make it my guy.
Proper grammar saves lives.
Let’s eat Grandma.
Let’s eat, Grandma.
Read the post directly above yours ;) nt
nycenterright Thursday, December 10th at 12:52PM EST (link)Erick I'm With You 100%
fpete13527 Thursday, December 10th at 12:52PM EST (link)We fight for CONSERVATISM….AND WE WILL WIN.
Keep going brother…I’m with you.
Revolution not civil war.
redneck_hippie Thursday, December 10th at 1:12PM EST (link)Showing the establishment VA, NJ and NY-23 should have been notice to them that they are outmoded and out of touch and that we will work to bring about more Lexington and Concords in order to re-establish our party as conservative. The establishment probably has nothing to fear from a civil war where conservatives are the underdogs, fighting against the powers that be. We must become the powers that be.
“We must not lose our faculty to dare, especially in dark days.” - Churchill in March, 1942.
Remember NY-23; translation: RINOs Have No Base.
Many comments; to cut to the chase
mriggio Thursday, December 10th at 1:16PM EST (link)zero in on and read achance’s comment, followed by coldwarrior’s comment. Yes, Eric, I’m with you and will officially become my precinct’s Committeeman on February 2, Illinois primary day!
mriggio
SMSgt, USAF (Ret)
Precinct Committeeman (R)
Tazewell County, Illinois
Save the Party, save the World! (Heroes, ed.)
Sean Hannity is discussing this diary RIGHT now!...obtw
JadedByPolitics Thursday, December 10th at 3:15PM EST (link)he AGREES!!! Rock on Erick!
Whoever has his enemy at his mercy &
does not destroy him is his own enemy
If Sean is discussing this, nationally, then doesn't that undermine Erick's thesis?
smagar Thursday, December 10th at 5:20PM EST (link)If I’m following this correctly, we have to go to war because of this: IEmphasis added).
If the active commentators on the right side are paying attention to Redstate and what its leaders are saying…then how will the ‘establishment” take full credit for GOP successes in 2010?
Perhaps, through the MSM—which is dying!
But, in order to reach their base, the GOP establishment will have to go to Fox News Channel and the conservative blogosphere—which won’t be fooled.
If we want to elect conservative party officials and state/national candidates, Erick and Ace and many others have laid out the way to do that—get involved. Become a PC. Join a campaign. Take back the party from the roots up.
We don’t need to start civil war for that.
If we’re starting civil war, instead, to make sure the rightroots gets the credit it deserves—don’t we already have other ways to do that?
“Who will stand/On either hand/And guard this bridge with me?” (Macaulay)
5
aesthete Thursday, December 10th at 5:26PM EST (link)“There is no limit to what a man can do or where he can go if he doesn’t mind who gets the credit.” - Ronald Reagan
“Yet it is very certain that [the Commerce Clause] grew out of the abuse of the power by the importing States in taxing the nonimporting, and was intended as a negative and preventive provision against injustice among the States themselves, rather than as a power to be used for the positive purposes of the General Government, in which alone, however, the remedial power could be lodged.”
-James Madison
WE didn't start the civil war the GOP did....
JadedByPolitics Thursday, December 10th at 5:39PM EST (link)they did it when they came out in support of Crist before there was a primary they did when they gave 900K to a LEFTIST and be clear that piece of work in NY23 was a LEFTIST. They do it time and time again with the IDIOTS they hire to run campaigns or the SLAVISH devotion they pay to the LEFTIST media.
They do it when they pat the butts of the left to be “civil” on legislation that is the antithesis of Conservatism. They do it when they let Newt speak for the base and talk about a “large” tent while smacking the hands of those 40% of the base that will be those boots on the ground. The GOP has picked this battle WE are just FIGHTING IT!
It is easy to recognize that there is a battle because there would be NO NEED for a TEA Party Movement IF the GOP were not D’lite. What Erick is saying is what all of those Conservatives who keep showing up to protest at town halls and what all those Conservatives who are becoming Committeemen are saying ENOUGH IS ENOUGH! If you cannot even get behind a SMALL GOVERNMENT banner then you are NOT a Republican. That is the ONE thing there can be NO disagreement on……NONE!
So those who “think” there might be MAN made global climate change would of course vote with the D’s to KILL the economy and there are also those who would grant 20 million ILLEGALS legalization thereby costing us BILLIONS in welfare because there are NO JOBS because of the first one you know the climate change. Those types of Republicans WE can do without!
The GOP lost their way and WE are trying and mightily to bring them back to the RIGHT! That is the WAR and WE are having it and they STARTED it and WE will FINISH it!
Whoever has his enemy at his mercy &
does not destroy him is his own enemy
Who Is The Conservative In Connecticut?
Swamp_Yankee Thursday, December 10th at 5:55PM EST (link)I hope its not Peter Schiff
http://www.twitter.com/swamp_yank
Caliguri?
cusefan96 Thursday, December 10th at 8:13PM EST (link)I would think Erik is referring to Sam Caliguri…State Sen. from Waterbury. He dropped our to challenge Rob Murphy in CT-05…which is actually a very good thing.
Rob Simmons is the odds on favorite. He’s a good campaigner, and a good man. In the primary (nominating convention, delagates from each municipality), McMahon is likely to take lower Fairfield County. Simmons should clear the rest of the board.
—————————–
“Sweep the leg…finish him!”
Perhaps, Simmons Is The Guy; Being Anti-Establshment Not The Same As Being Conservative
Swamp_Yankee Thursday, December 10th at 8:35PM EST (link)I know Schiff was a big hero on the bailouts and the financial meltdown. He’s a genious, but he’s not a real conservative. T
There is a lot of anger out there, but it is for different reasons. Not everyone who id disillussioned is a bona fide conservative. Schiff is good and I’d welcome him, but he’s a numbers guy. He’s been against the Iraq war from the beggining. He’s pro-choice. He’s a scattered on a number of issues. Libertarians love him.
Caliguri has no name recognition and is out anyway. McMahan is a novelty and a piss poor campaigner.
I’ll take Simmons in a heart beat.
http://www.twitter.com/swamp_yank
ME!
Daezy Thursday, December 10th at 6:06PM EST (link)n/t
All tyranny needs to gain a foothold is for people of good conscience to remain silent. ~ Thomas Jefferson
Freedom is never more than one generation away from extinction. ~ Ronald Reagan
http://uslibertyjournal.blogspot.com/
ME!
Daezy Thursday, December 10th at 6:06PM EST (link)n/t
All tyranny needs to gain a foothold is for people of good conscience to remain silent. ~ Thomas Jefferson
Freedom is never more than one generation away from extinction. ~ Ronald Reagan
http://uslibertyjournal.blogspot.com/
Conservative in the Primary, GOP in the General.
Aaron Gardner Thursday, December 10th at 8:32PM EST (link)Here’s hoping to having enough conservatives win their primary to help change the balance of the Republican leadership in the House and Senate back to a more conservative, principles first mission.
I am with you Erick and I will continue to work within my local GOP committee to encourage the principled conservative course of action. This work must be done in both the election years and the time in between to ensure a strong thriving GOP ready to not only win elections but govern effectively and withing the guidelines of the Constitution and the principles that made this country the envy of the world
While it is true that we have a long road ahead and our problems will not be solved overnight, it is important to remember that we can win this fight. We must win this fight. This war for our party and for our nation will have many battles, we may not win them all, but we must continue to fight.
2010 is not the end, it is only the beginning.
Aaron’s Archive I
Aaron’s Archive II
conform and celebrate diversity….or else!!!
What makes someone a RINO?
countessolenska Thursday, December 10th at 9:08PM EST (link)Is this a spending and taxing thing, or a social thing or what? What makes someone a “true” conservative?
Adherence to the conservative principles of our Founding...
rbdwiggins Thursday, December 10th at 9:30PM EST (link)Of which, the longevity and prosperity of our constitutional Republic are wholly dependent.
“Well, the trouble with our liberal friends is not that they are ignorant, but that they know so much that isn’t so.” – Ronald Reagan
That's the problem
SteveLA Thursday, December 10th at 9:31PM EST (link)countessoloenska
That’s the problem in a nutshell, which of the three traditional legs of the Republican stool is important to you?
For those of us who are moderate on the social issues, or more correctly libertarian leaning, we are definitely considered RINOs by the vast number of posters here on RS. In my particular case, I became a R back in the 70’s over school busing, overreach by Federal courts and because I’m a tight wad, I also grew up in the very Democratic deep South and saw what a wrong direction the Democratic party was heading on race relations. Back in the 70’s the R party was pretty much on top of those issues and the issue of a strong military and the role if the US in stopping the spread of Communism. I’d guess you’d call those two of the major legs of the R stool today, and I think you’d find a fair amount of agreement between most Republicans and the “true” conservatism.
Where things get contentious are the social issues, abortion and gay marriage right now. Call that the third leg, and I’m pretty sure that Liberian wing, or maybe the country club wing, of the party and the “true” conservative wing does not see eye to eye on those matters. I doubt that on fiscal matters, strong military or foreign relations there is a whole heck of a lot of differences between the wings of the party.
I might be wrong, but in the proverbial nut shell, that’s the crux of this here “civil war”.
______________________________________
Competency over ideological purity and litmus tests
Thanks for your answer
countessolenska Thursday, December 10th at 9:42PM EST (link)I became a Republican in the late 80s because I got tired of the Democrats’ big-spending ways and their corruption. However, I am now an independent because, even though I voted for him, I became opposed to the Bush Doctrine. Plus, the Republicans spent too much money too.
On social issues, I’m a moderate. I’m opposed to gay marriage, but support abortion with restrictions.
So, I’m a dovish fiscal conservative - actually I’m more of a Ron Paul fan than of any other Republican.
Whoops
SteveLA Thursday, December 10th at 9:53PM EST (link)countessolenska
Whoosie, just outed yourself :), the attack mob will assemble shortly…kidding.
But the interesting thing is the number of folks that once considered themselves R’s who now associate with the Tea Parties and the Deity known as Ron Paul Ron Paul Ron Paul. Those movements may be somewhat socially conservative, but they are not the Rick Santorum/Sam Brownback hard core pro-life values voters, or at least that’s not what they are in the streets over from what I can tell. I think you as a very small sample, the Deity supporters are not of the SIVV type and I think the Tea party folks aren’t ether.
The question, and I think you asked it, is how does Eric’s “civil war” appeal to those folks, are they really the “true” conservatives that Erick is seeking to mobilize?…I don’t know.
______________________________________
Competency over ideological purity and litmus tests
RINO defined
countessolenska Thursday, December 10th at 10:10PM EST (link)I should qualify my comment about being a dove. I’m not opposed to the use of force. I just think these actions should be narrowly targeted. It seems like invasion and occuption are way too expensive and not generally effective. You think you get one spot somewhat under control (not exactly happening in Iraq though) and then another problem spot pops up. It’s never-ending. There are terrorists in many places. It’s a strategy that the powerless use. The Irish were famous terrorists for quite some time.
Also, I support gun rights, and actually own a gun.
I like Ron Paul - a lot! I don’t agree with him on everything, but he has tremendous integrity. I don’t think there’s anyone like him in Congress. It will be a sad day when he retires.
WOLVERINES!
robertbelvedere Thursday, December 10th at 10:51PM EST (link)We are in a two front war: on one side are the Leftists who are trying to destroying everything we hold dear and on the other are their useful idiots who are the GOP establishment. Two front wars are always to be feared, but, take heart and remember what the great Marine General Chesty Puller said: We’re surrounded. That simplifies the problem.
Quoted from and Linked to at:
THE BATTLE HYMN OF THE REPUBLICANS
—–
It’s Time To ROC ‘N’ ROLL:
Restore Our Constitution & Restore Our Lost Liberties
Reply to Wolverines
freeamerican Friday, December 11th at 7:41AM EST (link)Super comment, Robertbelvedere! I’m passing that one around to friends….
The Battle Already Begun - and Winning - in Virginia
freeamerican Friday, December 11th at 7:35AM EST (link)Erick - we are with you, and, as you know, we have already started the battle here in Virginia at the local level with one of the most extensive grassroots campaigns here in many years. You all saw the result in November! We had a bruising primary for Attorney General, but we got the most conservative candidate, Ken Cuccinelli, who stands with us on all the major issues BECAUSE HE IS ONE OF US. He is going to be an outstanding AG!!
freeamerican- Great comment
Scope Friday, December 11th at 8:25AM EST (link)Ken Cuccinelli doesn’t have a bone in his body that is not completely conservative. It sure does prove that conservatives can win. He is particularly strong on 10th amendment issues, and, I am hopeful we will be drilling for oil and gas off our coasts, in addition to our state fighting against the Federal government mandates that are unconstitutional. Cuccinelli has a very bright future ahead of him.
A message to President Obama, and Progressives everywhere-
“I won’t insult your intelligence by suggesting that you really believe what you just said.” Wm. F. Buckley, Jr.
“You lie.” Joe Wilson
Proud member of the Achance YAADI (you are a dumb idiot) Club since 2008.