Think Nader… think Perot… and while I should have to say no more than that I know that for some outsiders more does have to be said, so I’ll share from a Grassroots Michigan post:

First, not here to ACCUSE or suggest anyone in particular of anything…. I’m just making a General comment!!! If people had been awake and active to push ANTI-PROGRESSIVE agenda and Candidates within the GOP we wouldn’t be here….

alot of TEApeaters fail to recognize (prepare to repeat) History…

I?ve had this conversation with a few folks, and therefore have it handy?.. Some confuse, at times, MESSAGE and MESSENGER, and allow grudges cloud the merit of a comment and/or opportunity to join together (stand together against common enemy – Progressives) for mutual benefit!

Thinking Third Party? Well? People fail to learn from HISTORY (most Humans [matter of Human Psychology, Denial is a hard thing to over-come] have to reach their own Epiphany) and gotten the bug to get (woke up, got angry, got) involved only to die off (and went back to sleep politically) with the movements having accomplished NOTHING (or next to nothing, and often the opposite effect of actually allowing more Liberals/Progressives to be elected) and allowing things to continue to get worse rather than team up with others and try a different tact ? Libertarian Party FAIL?. Tax Payer Party FAIL?. Nader (other side) FAIL?. Perot/UWSA/Reform Party FAIL?. (and I?ve worked as part of all of them, except Nader, to promote Constitutional Republic-ism) same fate (based on historical evidence, for my opinion/position) will FAIL too if this is all about some other ?Third Party movement?? DOESN?T MEAN YOU DON?T HAVE THE RIGHT TO TRY IT if that?s part of your aim. However, If all those folks would have remained involved and exerted control in EITHER PARTY neither of those parties would have drifted so darn far off. And we, IMNSHO, need to concentrate on taking better control of the one with the Conservative Platform and only allow Leaders to filter to the top of the GOP that adhere to Conservative values/principles! Regardless, let?s not confuse Message and Messenger. I WILL (and hope you will too) COOPERATE/PROMOTE ANYONE THAT HAS THE RIGHT ? MESSAGE ? of anti-Progressive-ism along the way!!!

In any movement or group there are folks that are not fully disclosing their intent/purpose and looking to create their own little thief-dom (niche of Power and/or Money grab, directly or indirectly – notably several “single-issue” groups). Among the list of folks I consider in that “type” are the RINOs/CINOs (often as bad as Pavlov-Blue-Dogs) in the GOP that are Progressives and stab the GOP Platform (and Conservatives) in the back at every opportunity they feel they can get away with and still lie to get re-elected. As for Liberals, don’t think for a moment there aren’t any in the TEApeat movement working within to undermine it. Many Progressives WANT the Tea Party “phenom” become a Third Party BECAUSE it will ensure enough split-Conservative votes to continually elect Progressive/Liberal Democrats! This was rampant in the Reform Party movement and is happening again now within some Tea Party circles and 9/12 movements.

[from Conservative Candidates (the Diary)]
the “Republican Revolution” of the 90′s was mislabeled, it was really the “CONSERVATIVE Revolution” and it brought Republicans to power; likewise, it was the “Reagan Conservative” Revolution, not a Republican Revolution. Many Republicans forgot that along the way. That led the way for CINO Democrats to lie their way back into power, but it was a “Conservative” co-opted (read: they lied about their intent) that voters allowed themselves to be duped into. Republicans need to REMEMBER that! Conservatism did NOT lose Elections, bad Politicians (with R’s beside their name) did!

the Conservative Revolution, or Republican brand resurgence, will ONLY be repeated by Conservatives working within the GOP (and its Conservative Platform) and ensure its Leadership is controlled by fellow Conservatives!

Don’t get me wrong, there are plenty of WORTHLESS Republicans that are NOT Conservative as they claim to be, and they all seem to be in the U.S.Senate (pathetically enough), but they ARE NOT representative of the majority of the GOP. They do NOT adhere to the GOP Platform (wonder when they last looked at it) as they don’t pay much attention to the U.S.Constitution (like Democrats). The Omnibus Bill was yet another example of FAILED REPUBLICANS (3 R’s give 3 weak D’s duplicity coverage voting FOR Omnibus spending, even the McCain-iac didn’t go there this time) Again, they are NOT representative of the GOP and give voice to the notion ‘there is no difference in the Parties’ – UNTRUE! There is little difference in PROGRESSIVES and there are a few in the GOP but we must work harder to ensure they are not in authority positions and over-ride the majority viewpoint (and GOP Platform) positions of maintaining REAL/TRUE Conservatism and anti-Progressive-ism. (How Alt-Party talk is RINOism: can one catch RINOvirus?). The GOP is the “Party of KNOW” which is why we say “NO” to Liberal Incremental-ism (Republicans must be the Party of NO [to Bigger Govt.] not the Party of SLOW[er Liberal Incremental-ism])!!!

You’ve probably heard some of the complaints – That person or organization is just a sham and shills for Republicans. Which usually comes from Shills for attempting to expand the Libertarian Party (that has accomplished nothing, ever, anywhere) or those looking to create their own little thief-dom of yet another do-nothing organization or Third-Party. There will always be differing agendas, the question remains whether someone is going to continue to carry a grudge and muddle the MESSAGE because of the MESSENGER rather than work together when/where possible! I’ve heard it often, so-and-so won’t cooperate with whose-its Tax Protest because it’s so-and-so’s; and all the while Progressives keep moving their agenda forward while everyone else focuses on Personalities rather than purpose!

If folks would not have gone back to sleep and exerted proper TAKEOVER of the GOP at ANY/ALL LEVELS (every single Congressional District Committee upward) we wouldn?t be in this. If they get involved and ensure the GOP stays on Platform and we FINALLY weed out (removerinos) those that lets people do the ?there is no difference in Party? act/complaint, and can only do so with REAL CONSERVATIVES control at all levels, we will overcome this and not allow the McCainist movements to do this, or allow this, to happen to us again!!!

We cannot slumber EVER! We must be involved and vigilant ALWAYS! We must control all levels of the GOP (Third Party, again, see the beginning of this “note”) in order to ensure the FOUNDING FATHERS’ PRINCIPLES of Governance be the manner by which the country is run!

Not withstanding my comment further down, because in this situation and/or under these conditions there would be benefit…. One “Candidate” would, could, SHOULD, seek multiple nomination….

I would love to see the ability for a Candidate to cross-list on several seperate Party Affiliations for the some run for any given office. Any “Party” ought to be able to have as their Candidate even if that “Candidate” is listed as another Parties Candidate.

I would have had a greater chance at Election the times I ran if that were possible here in Michigan as I have friends in Libertarian and Reform Party and was asked to run on both those tickets at some point. Had I, or anyone, be given the opportunity to become the Candidate of choice from a Primary into a General Election and be on the ballot under those seperate Party “approvals” (endorsement, more or less) then Party Line Ticket voters would be more effective as their votes would tally with others for the same CANDIDATE rather than just the Party limitation.

This, of course, does NOT help Democrats because they don’t want their names on Democrat and Socialist Party (and/or plus Green Party) tickets at the same time NOR to allow real CONSERVATIVE Republicans to be clearly shown for the alliances of people they really provide.

Not, of course, to say ANY Republican automatically would be the “side-Party” nominess (sorry to call them that, but that is about only what they are) of Libertarian, Reform, “Conservative”, Tea (if it becomes an official) Party, etc….

was 3 R’s give 3 weak D’s duplicity coverage voting FOR Omnibus spending … It seems that some, as I’ve said elsewhere (no link handy, unfortunately, to that discussion) content/intent of giving Democrats more and more cover and blurring those “differences” lines (you know, the ‘there is no difference in the Parties’ mantra – and there is by Platform, just that a few bad Republicans (RINOs), not really representative of the Conservative base, allow that false narrative to stay alive) that might deminish gains we would/should see in 2010 (just from BarackLash (h/t: scarlos)) if they just did NOTHING but stick together with the RIGHT Conservative message and principles. Instead, they keep cooperating in passing the ObamAgenda. All they are accomplishing is providing CCINO opportunities for Democrats to lie on the campaign trail having these few “cover” votes to point to.

because that is the point and purpose – to have a STRONG Conservative Candidate that can garner the nomination of several of the smaller Parties (Taxpayer, Reform, Constitution, whatever) AS WELL AS the Republican nomination!

I think alot of us are agreeing that the NY-23 example is a good one and the preferred model — anyway, I’ll speak for myself explicitly and say that is my viewpoint. I want a good Candidate to be able to be more than one Parties nominee.

At the end of the day, regardless of whether someone pulls the lever upon the individual under any given Party label or pulls the Party Ticket lever, those are ultimately an INDIVIDUALS VOTE. And the total of Votes one receives for a Govt. position is the determining factor. Those votes CANNOT be separated out as there is NO Party X position for House, Party Y position for the House, there is ONLY ONE HOUSE POSITION – an INDIVIDUAL POST. And I think most people follow and understand that and that each Party can, could, should, have the choice of who they prefer for that “position”/seat and sometimes (and our point here, hopefully more-so going forward) be for the same Conservative Candidate and be allowed to all have that Candidate as their Election Day Candidate.

Where there may be Laws prohibiting cross-Party nominees…. It should be challenged, for the reasons above, as a Party should in NO WAY be prohibited from nominating and promoting whatever individual Candidate they want whether that person is also being promoted and on Primary ballots for OTHER Party ballots or not is irrelevant. Does a Party have the Right to pick its Candidate? Period! Why should an Individual be allowed to be EXCLUDED from a nomination because they might also be the choice of another Party Ticket?!?!? Again, these are Individual choices by each Party and up to them who they PREFER and they should have the ability to list that preferred Candidate under their Ticket and an Individual the ability to appear under as many Party nominations (and have the chance to Primary up to the General) in any/all Parties that favors them. With all that Individuals votes tallying in Total (aggregate, as others point) for that Individual Person (the vote ultimately falls to the Individual, NOT the Party) for that Individual Office.

Pre-Declaration and Closed Primaries, however, remain a big issue regardless so-as to stop the Liberals from giving us McCainiac nominees in the early Primaries before the rest of us have a chance to shape the overall nominee and vica-versa as the Democrats will always nominate the worst of the worst of their bunch anyway! Then we can focus on coordinating with like-minded people in other Parties to get a Conservative Candidate all on ballot for different Parties for the same Office (even when/where it takes Legal challenges to do so).

Conservative Candidates /// Third Party calls to another FAILure /// 2010 gains opportunities being scuttled? – are some Republicans sand-bagging 2010 gain opportunities?

and in regard to this Diary main title/purpose/intent – Hannity again EXPLAINED why he registered as Conservative and that, as discussed above, it is important that all Conservatives pull together, regardless of Party affiliation, to put a Conservative on and vote for a Conservative Republican so-as to not allow Liberal Democrats pull (with MSM help) another divide-and-conquer by spliting the Conservative Vote!!!! He is advocating for the NY23 style cross-promotion when/where it can be AND SHOULD BE DONE ALWAYS with real Conservative Candidates from/in the GOP working with other Conservative Parties/Organizations!

you said:

had either one of the conservative Republicans up for the nomination (Maroun or Doheny) been selected, Doug would not have been in the race any longer. The Conservative Party would have been happy to place either one on the ballot,

and the ultimate message that IF entrenched GOP committee folk would be supporting the RIGHT (Conservative) Candidates in the first place the other “Conservative” nature Parties would also WANT to support them rather than constantly feel obliged to try and offer a better alternative and splitting the “Conservative” Vote.