being honest.

There are plans to obstruct aggressively. There was a decision made to not deploy parliamentary tricks too early. They consider the current floor version of the bill a decoy and are waiting for the real bill to come out of Harry Reid’s chamber of secrets.

They convinced me that contrary to Erick’s assertions, the Senate GOP is not without a strategy,

If the Democrats break the rules, blaming the Republicans for it will not stop Obamacare.

As you say, Erick, Sanders yanked his amendment, so the amendment never got to the point of being up for consideration or debated. This episode would be a lot more outrageous if they proceeded to consider the amendment or debate the amendment without first finishing with reading it aloud.

Having said that, if the precedent is to read an amendment even if a Senator wants to withdraw the amendment, then that precedent ought to be respected. Senators would then be more inclined to think twice about proposing stupid and verbose amendments.

Anyway, let’s hope that Senator Nelson holds firm, and that Senator Lieberman continues to use some independent common sense.

…considering that Coburn’s next plan is to read the whole bill itself.

You are an American hero.

God Bless you, sir.

“O’er the ramparts we watched, … our flag was still there!”

I respectfully disagree with some of the above comments regarding faith in the GOP strategy and hope for Nelson to hold firm against.
I’m willing to be wrong, but I say it is time to fight harder now….or at least get more agressive and DYNAMIC in the opposition…NOW.

The American people are clear that this bill is garbage and they are willing for it to be sent back to drawing board.

Obama and the Dems, however, will do ANYTHING, probably including commit felonies, to pass it. However, the Dems do not do well when they are FOUGHT….. especially when fought with COURAGE and INTEGRITY as demonstrated by Sen Demint and Coburn…..empowered and generated by Erick!!

Kudos to Sen Demint, to Sen Coburn, and to Erick!. Dont stop!

No more “rope a dope delay” or “passive resistance.” FIGHT!!

It was BECAUSE of the very clear language and past precedent that they did what they did, not in spite of it.

When the Dems start losing they start saying, “Gosh that’s inconvenient. We can’t have that. We’ll have to change that.” It’s ends justify the means. It’s situational ethics. It’s rules for thee but not for me.

The Democrat M.O. is, “If it doesn’t fit, force it. If it breaks, it needed to be replaced anyway.”

It’s all downhill for the Democrats now. Lieberman jerking the Public Option out single-handedly will I believe be recognized as the point health care was doomed . The fiasco with Saunders Single Payer plan confirmed it for me. Why I believe HC is unrecoverable at this point is
1.) The majority of the Public is against it
2.) It is a terrible bill
3.) There is nothing to be gained politically by it. If any thing a Politician can be trusted to do, it is to act in his own self-interest, Joe Lieberman realizing this sooner than the others.
4.) All the arguments against it are out there and have been tested. I don’t know of one that has been shot down or disqualified (including Death Panels). As long as HC out there these arguments will be hammered home.
5.) The Public is now ready for this thing to be shot down. Decency expectations have been fulfilled in dicussing it. The Republicans won’t be held in contempt for killing this thing.
6.) People are tired of the Health Care debate.

This thing has dragged on forever and the Republicans have not even begun to play parliamentary games with this. I believe they will now. They will roast the Democrats very slowly over the spit and I for one am planning on enjoying it.

would FINALLY recognize the hatefulness of Democrats. WE have watched with DISGUST for years how Democrats and their demons around the internet and their LAPDOGS in the media have diminished and DESTROYED anything relative to CLASS.

WE have watched the Republicans treated as if their were second class citizens and yet those same Republicans constantly want to “work across the aisle”. IF this is not the moment in time for them to learn that these people are ENEMIES (not in the AQ sense) and MUST be treated with the same LEVEL of disrespect that the Republicans have been shown since 2000 and BTW you can trace the actual HATE and CONTEMPT from liberals/leftists/Democrats to the loss of Gore. That election gave these leftists the opening to become ANIMALS and in such they should be treated as ANIMALS.

I will SCREAM if I ever hear another person say WE must be kinder, gentler and more “inclusive” because the bottom line is the Democrats are a NASTY, DISGUSTING bunch of LEFTIST’s and deserve NO kindness from Republicans. I PRAY when WE have the whole shebang again that it is remembered and that WE use EVERY bill to DISMANTLE the Federal Government back down to its intended purpose and to get OUT OF THE WAY of Americans!

The way to a socialistic run government is to stop following the rules of the government. Force unconstitutional laws and regulations on, We The People. Allow the majority to dictate what the people will and will not do. Force upon us Taxation without representation. International intervention with out congressional approval. All these things they are doing can be seen as treasonous actions against the well being of our Nation. They have ruined our once good credit rating, placing China in control of our financial well being. What more can they do to ruin our great nation before the people step up to be counted as for or against their philosophy of ruination?

I called Tom Coburn’s office to simply thank him for his efforts yesterday afternoon and urge him to keep it up. I also like the way that his office answers the phone: “DOCTOR Coburn’s office,” instead of “SENATOR Coburn’s office.” Hmm, Barbara “Call me Senator” Boxer could learn something here.

so, maybe someone can enlighten me. Under Riddick’s Rules, does the same rule apply to the underlying bill itself? If so, can the Republicans force the reading of the entire bill, amendments included, at this point?

If so, they won’t be able to vote until sometime around Easter.

Someone should remake that old movie with these new rules -
Perhaps it could be called – Goodbye Washington, Hello Chicago

whatever happened to days such as when one of the most beloved Presidents of the United States, Abraham Lincoln, was a Senator, he physically jumped out of a window of the US Capitol, in order to prevent a quorum from being formed, once– in other words, it was not beneath ol’ Abe to use parliamentary procedural tactics in order to stop the opposition from getting their way in Congress– we need leaders in there with the same sort of spirit, which appears to be sorely lacking now, sadly– it certainly wasn’t beneath the Dems from using similar tactics during the Bush-43 years!

http://truthandcommonsense.com/2009/12/16/harassing-the-families-of-political-leaders-who-are-no-longer-in-favor-democrats-no-maos-cultural-revolution/

As I’ve posted before, I’m working my way through the book on Mao’s last Cultural Revolution. Remember when this occurred- 1966 through 1976. The same time a number of the people we are dealing with were young men and women in school or entering school. Their professors in the universities they went to were in college about the same time as Mao’s revolution took hold which coincided with Vietnam. Reading the book is a powerful insight into what drove the Chinese to mass murder and mayhem. As I work my way through it I’m posting relevant passages and thoughts as they apply to what I see happening today.

First, to be successful in police work, business, sports and life in general, you must always know your enemy. Who is it that is facing you across the table, the field, or in the marketplace. The sooner you get what motivates them, the sooner you can use it against them. In this time period, with the accumulation of radicals on the left in such a small area, all pointing in one direction, it is critical to get a grasp on what it is that makes them tick. In an early post, long before understanding Mao, I listed what I saw as some of the players:

http://truthandcommonsense.com/2009/08/23/why-socialize-america-lets-play-the-agenda-game/

I managed to cobble together a number of known factions of the left, each with the own agendas, that are now assisting Obama’s crew. Imagine if you will a large rowboat with a number of paddlers, each rowing energetically, with Obama at the bow. Their backs are to the goal, but their faith in Obama allows them to pull hard on their strokes- initially. They are convinced by him their individual goal is where he’s headed, even though that is impossible. Still they pull hard. Now at the stern of the boat are Rahm/Soros and some others who are actually at the rudder. They too have convinced the now useful idiots at the oars, it is THEIR goal they are pulling for.

In truth, the goal, the motive, belongs only to a select few. In Mao’s case, he kept his goal close to his vest. Frankly, at this point in the book, I’m not sure he knew exactly what he was looking for, other than to avoid being cast aside in history as a monster like Stalin. He knew he had to shake things up, because China was not going in the direction (remember his policies killed millions, on purpose and by accident) he thought communism would take it.

Mao believed in revolution as a state of mind and a goal in of itself. He believed in chaos. One of his tools was the Red Guard, made up mostly of children indoctrinated in the ways of “Mao” as he was almost a demi-god by 1966. His words held a cult-like grip over the young and they followed him blindly in order to take part in the furtherance of the “revolution.” They killed and robbed and beat and repatriated MILLIONS of people in a short time as they fanned out across the nation in order to purge it of all non-Maoist thought. They were KIDS! (See Obama’s “Love me” attempt several months ago.)

Frankly I didn’t pay much attention to Mao beyond my general understanding of him because he was proven a fool by history and I had moved on. Like someone said, “If I have an arrow stuck in my chest, I don’t need to know who the archer was, how the bow was made, or why he shot me. All I need to know is how to get the arrow out of my chest.” That’s how I thought, back then. That was before I had my own nation be assaulted by men and women who are students of that archer and are now trying to put arrows back into my chest.

The author of the article seems surprised that the Senate leaders would violate the rules in order to achieve their agenda. “You cheated!” is the cry. I’m here to tell you, they aren’t cheating because the rules they are following aren’t the same you and I follow. In the last year we have seen Obama violate contract law, laws of decency, laws of etiquette, laws of finance, laws of honesty and duty, and worst- the law of common sense. From our perspective, he’s one goofy bast**d and we point and laugh continuously wondering, as I have said before, if they have childproofed the Oval office wall sockets.

That is our mistake. He’s not stupid, Rahm’s not stupid, Soros is certainly not stupid, nor Holdren, Jackson et. al. They are revolutionaries. They are following their rules and in reading Mao’s thoughts those rules include creating chaos for the sake of chaos. It keeps everyone afraid and watching each other, not the leaders guiding the boat into the rocks.

Now we are seeing some fracturing among the left because they are now looking over their shoulders as they row and have realized the boat isn’t headed where they thought it would. The greenies, the anti-capitalists, the gays, and others are starting to say “HEY! You lied!” But their problem is they are in the boat, the boat’s moving, and their only other choice is to dive overboard and swim for it, certain death for sure. I mean, seriously, where are they going to swim to? The Republicans are in a boat behind Obama, trying to keep up, so that’s not much of a choice!

I’ve said many times, read history because you are bound to run into again. Here we are seeing what Obama and his wife promised we’d see if we elected him President, a fundamental re-ordering of our nation and way of life.

Are we living in a Maoist revolt? No, the citizens of our nation have a different mindset than the Chinese. If a group of middle school kids started running around robbing, beating and murdering us in the name of Obama we’d skin them alive and send them home. That kind of murderous intent takes generations to indoctrinate. But that doesn’t mean our children won’t see it, if we fail to act now. However, are there elements of Mao thinking in what we see? Absolutely! Mao believed in chaos, fear, distrust, hatred, pitting one set of people against the other in order to foster confusion and obedience to the state- his state. As we watch our “leaders” do much the same thing, violate rules in order to achieve their personal goals, do not be surprised. This is a revolutionary war and in war there are no rules, only those who submit and those who rule in the end.

Democrats Toss 200 Years of Senate Rules Under the Bus to pass Health Care

My conclusion: They don’t care about the U.S. Constitution, the Senate rules, 200 years of precedent, or anything else except their personal power. Harry Reid has become a third-world thug no different than Hugo Chavez.

Couldn’t the GOP introduce a 100,000-word amendment, and insist that it be read, and NOT withdraw it? Now that would amount to some serious filibustering.

Eric, maybe you’ll be the one. We need someone to draft the articles of secession.

Hell, this government has thrown the Constitution, the Law, AND their own “gentlemanly” rules under the bus. The rule of Law no longer exists here and as such we are free to remove them.

The Founders never envisioned that the bulk of the government would need to be impeached for mass.treason. They never created a mechanism outside of the Second Amendment to do so. We The People have reached the end of the line with these criminals and we must remove them from office.

If they refuse to respect the law they must BY LAW be removed by force if necessary. The time has come.

Is it not possible to appeal the parliamentarian’s ruling, with all Senate business suspended until a decision is reached? That should keep them busy for a while. Can anyone other than the manager call for adjournment of the proceedings? With an appropriate second, that should be an interesting vote.

Can Reid be forced to submit his bill before anything else can be considered? If nothing has been written as most believe, would he not have to withdraw this phantom bill?

by at least two elements of this event: I am, first of all, appalled that, with all those lawyers in the Republican Party, sitting in the Senate, that this action was taken by an MD rather than a JD and only after having it suggested by you. Can’t these guys come up with these tactics on their own.

Perhaps it is fitting that Dr. Coburn rose in defense of his profession. Given the uneasy relationship between these two professions, it is time they worked together to put an end to this attempt by the Socialists (quite literally in this instance) and Closet Communists.

But I am even more appalled by the behavior of these apostate Americans, these Democrats that claim such a high regard and deep affection for the Rules of the Senate. Where was Robert Byrd, the Conscience of the Senate? To quote another Liberal Demnocrat and attorney Joseph Welch, on the occasion of an ad hominem attack by Senator Joseph McCarthy on his client “Have you NO DECENCY, Sir? This is the question that should be posed to Harry Reid and Bernie Sanders regarding their behavior.

We are on the road to Perdition and these b***ards are leading the parade.