….

Whoever has his enemy at his mercy &
does not destroy him is his own enemy

…is fighting. KBH should take a lesson.

Forgive me but I don’t see this as a good thing. We all know this will fail and the congress can now say, “…we voted on the Constitutionality of this and it is..” We will have no recourse now. Not good.

…. Do you think they are still planning to read the entire bill? Coburn and DeMint have been talking about this - do you know where it stands?

Do they think it’s not worth it, because a vote to end it would happen automatically? I can SORT of entertain that logic, but I, like others, are sick of the GOP rolling over and letting this happen without a fight.

…the bill is full of unconstitutional encroachments on states and individuals. It isn’t just the individual mandate.

The Constitution is a powerful defensive weapon, ignored for far too long, if only our team would use it.

This vote will largely be symbolic, I assume. It may be good to put them on record. But I really dont want them to take it out at this juncture. It will be much easier for Blue Dogs to vote for a bill without out.

Nothing will piss average people off more than the mandate. The other stuff will trickle down and affect the insurance and health care industries, but the average joes will just get used to it. But the mandate sticks up their craw. I

As long its there, the GOP has a potent weapon. It could be the weapon that enables them to obtain a mandate to undue much of the bill. Campaign against the mandate, win majorities, and then legisilate a complete overhaul once in power.

But taking it out now just bankrupts the insurance industry. They cannot afford to cover everyone with the new rules, i.e. pre-existing conditions, without the premiums from the mandates. And our best political tool will be gone.

It is constitutional? Do we try the Supreme Court?

I am not a scholar, but it appears to me that such a vote would mean DeMint and Ensign could immediately request Court review on the vote and move along faster to the Constitutionality question.

Wrong?

You won’t hurt my feelings…

Amendment XIII
Section 1.

Neither slavery nor involuntary servitude, except as a punishment for crime whereof the party shall have been duly convicted, shall exist within the United States, or any place subject to their jurisdiction.
Section 2.

Congress shall have power to enforce this article by appropriate legislation.

If I am to be jailed unless I buy health insurance, I am, effectively, a slave of the state.

http://topics.law.cornell.edu/constitution/amendmentxiii

Thank you.
ColdWarrior

I will not praise or commend ANYONE who would dare say something like that. It is just one more example of what is wrong with these Republicans.

There are no “good intentions.” In all seriousness, all these Democrats are sadists; and their actions are motivated by pure evil and their desire to see the disappointment, death, and suffering of others. They aren’t even human as far as I’m concerned.

I hate to criticize when people appear to be doing the right thing but why have they waited till now to object to the Constitutionality of a bill? They’ve done things for years not permitted in the enumerated powers and I’m talking about both parties. Have the Republicans finally found some guts and gotten some newfound religion about obeying the intent of the Constitution? I hope so but I doubt it.

That there is a report out there by the congresstional rearch dept that goes into the whole constitutionality of the HCR bill, and I’m getting a copy, I hope.
Has anyone else seen/heard of this report?

The report is somewhat gobbledygook. It basically says it could be constitutional if it met certain standards. I think the real thing is that we don’t know. Would SCOTUS argue that simply being a citizen of the United States requires you to have health insurance? And what about those with religious opposition, who don’t believe in the morality of insurance? I don’t know, I think the courts are going to have to decide this.
http://neoavatara.com/blog

This should be really exciting, as DeMint does a great job of making the Dems look like fools - see the video of the “procedure vs rule” argument. But why bother now? They will yawn and vote “yes, this is constitutional,” and still make it home for Christmas.

If only McConnell had one percent of the fight in him that DeMint has.

NOW!

Better late than never and this should have been the number one issue for the whole party from day one!

GOD Bless you guys for finally bringing it out!

The “Big Tent” analogy isn’t the correct one…the correct one is a MAGNET…we need to be a MAGNET that draws these independents in who are sick and tired of what’s going on in Washington—Fred Thompson

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…of course the dems can make Americans buy a product or do any damn thing for that matter. It has been so decreed by Hizzonner, President Rahm Emm…er, Barack Hussein Obama.

And while they’re at it, they might as well go ahead and declare President Rahm Em…er, Barack Hussein Obama as President for Life.

And maybe axelrod would make a grand Archbishop of Washington, D.C.

(See, it pays to make those calls.)

I called several Senators offices when I got off work today. Senator DeMint and Coburn’s answered.

I thanked Sen. DeMint’s staffer for calling a vote on the constitutionality of the individual mandate. I further asked (as I have been of all the Senators) if he would consider objecting to the appointment of the Senate-House conferees. To my delight, Sen. DeMint’s staffer said he is planning to do just that!

Of note, Sen. Coburn’s staffer said they have been getting a lot of requests to object to the conferees as well.

Thank you Dan for your recommendation:
http://www.redstate.com/dan_perrin/2009/12/20/the-extraordinary-measures-needed-to-kill-the-bill/

They must be assured in large numbers that we appreciate them & will support them.

the constitutionality of the bill is a lot like asking the crack addict to not to light his pipe while you step outside for a second… pretty predictable that nothing good will come out of it except the other guy feeling good for a few minutes after he compulsively does what he really shouldn’t…

does anyone read the history of the N.S.G.W.P. and the similar tactics to those used by certain democrats, they used back then, which turned into an autocratic dictatorship.? Turned the world into quite a mess. It did! I was just a child then, and didn’t understand the realities of the world, I just thought the way they marched was cool. Today I realize many of the things I did as a child, were wrong, perhaps some conservative democrats might see things different if the others wouldn’t pressure them so. My Granddad was a conservative democrat, but, me I’m just conservative. I was taught, love of country , hard work ethic, and pride in my Country, and love of God and family, not necessarily in any previous order.

Support our Troops! They still haven’t dropped charges, against the Seals, who did their jobs well. We give terrorists, rights they don’t deserve, and prosecute the men, we ask to protect us, What’s with that?????????????
One Old Dog

With this jerk the minority leader the Repub are not going to get very much. I realize the dims control D.C. but we need a new minority leader until the 2010 elections then we will need a Majority leader. I was classified as a Republican, but that is changing. I am now officially an Independent.