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The Power of Plain Speaking

Politicians of all stripes go to Washington and lose the ability to relate to people. Part of that is an inability for politicians to speak plainly, even when talking to the base.

I have criticized Mitch McConnell repeated for wanting to beat the spread instead of actually beating health care. Being in the good old boys club that is the United States Senate means Senators often put collegiality before the fight.

Some of you have said I have been too hard on Mitch McConnell, but I stand by the comments.

In Matthew 5:37, Christ told his disciples, “Simply let your ‘Yes’ be ‘Yes,’ and your ‘No,’ ‘No’.” His brother James in his eponymous book at 5:12 echoed Christ, writing, “Above all, my brothers, do not swear—not by heaven or by earth or by anything else. Let your “Yes” be yes, and your “No,” no, or you will be condemned.”

This is not to say Mitch McConnell is “condemned” or “evil” or anything of the like. This is just to point out that sometimes plain speaking is a good thing. And often, politicians should actually say “yes” when they mean “yes” and “no” when they mean “no,” instead of dancing around the issue.

What is this all about? Today on This Week With George Stephanopolous, Jake Tapper, filling in for George, asked Senator McConnell, “Do you think that Republicans running for Senate in 2010 should run on a platform of vowing to repeal the health care reform bill, should it become law? And will that be one of your first items should you regain control of the Senate, repealing what you guys call Obama-care?

Senator McConnell’s answer?

Well, certainly, politically, it’s a big problem for them. They all kind of joined hands and went off the cliff together. Every single Democrat provided the vote that passed it in the Senate. You have seen what’s happened already with Congressman Parker Griffith in Alabama switching parties. There are rumors there may be others. There is great unrest in the Democratic Party. And the reason for that is, the surveys indicate the American people are overwhelmingly opposed to this effort to have the government take over all of their health care. It will be a huge political issue next year, and that’s why you hear the Democrats saying, let’s don’t tackle any more big issues. I mean, I was reading an article this morning indicating they don’t want to do cap-and-trade anymore, they’re nervous about financial reregulation. What they understand is the new administration and the new Congress has squandered its goodwill with the American people, leading to what could be a big setback for them a year from now.

COMMENTS

  • http://charlemagne-the-hammer.blogspot.com/ DerKrieger

    It isn’t an inability to speak plainly, it’s an unwillingness to do so. Speaking plainly doesn’t allow for plausible deniability at a later date but would instead require a politician to confess to having been wrong or to change his or her position. It’s much safer politically to obfuscate, waffle, deflect, and change the subject.

    The MSM is complicit in this dissembling because they lack the will to press politicians for straightforward responses to even the most simple question.

  • http://www.keadleforcongress.com vickistg

    now you see me, now you don’t. I’ve come and gone…

    Best Little Whorehouse in DC might make a good sequel…

  • http://charlemagne-the-hammer.blogspot.com/ DerKrieger

    …GOP candidates for the House and Senate to ask them specifically if they will make repeal of the Democrat legislation a campaign issue and then post their responses here at RS.

    I e-mailed Col. Allen West’s campaign the week before Christmas about this and the answer was typical deflection “Col. West thinks health care is important blah blah blah”, but a clear refusal to commit to repealing the legislation. I was quite disappointed.

  • rcyclist

    “Absolutely.”

    We need to get McConnell out of the leadership role, he is NOT a leader.

  • bs

    What part of “binary” does he not understand?

  • NeoKong

    I see what you mean.

  • http://charlemagne-the-hammer.blogspot.com/ DerKrieger

    …swing that way

  • USNJIMRET

    Although, a sarcastic utterance of Pelosi’s “Are you serious?” response a couple of weeks ago, followed by “Hell yes”, would have made clear a position.
    But that actually seems to be something that Senators, regardless of party affiliation, are willing to do.
    But it sure would be refreshing, would it not?

  • mbecker908

    There are only

    10 kinds of people.

    Those who understand binary

    and those who don’t..

  • http://charlemagne-the-hammer.blogspot.com/ DerKrieger

    ..

  • AndrewHyman

    First of all, Erick, I noticed that your name came up during that interiview by Jake Tapper. Good going!

    As for your point about not answering the question directly, I’ll stick up for McConnell here. McConnell’s first words in response were: “Well, certainly.” That seems pretty much synonymous with “yes.”

    McConnell can probably be fauilted for a lot of stuff, but not that, IMHO. Likewise, McConnell’s decision not to filibuster into the evening of December 24 is not really something that he deserves to be blasted into outer space about. The fact that he stretched the debate and cloture vote to the day before Christmas is almost unorecedented (it hadn’t happened since the nineteenth century). Moreover, Senators like Inhofe and Coburn supported that decision, as did Sen. Cornyn.

    The GOP needs to focus on substantive ways to prevent the Democrats from destroying the health care system, in a way that can attract the middle ground (i.e. independents). Yesterday, a newspaper in Mississippi suggested one way to dramatically scale back what the Dems are trying to do: “In a more perfect world, the government would dip its toes into the ocean of universal health care, perhaps by starting out with coverage only for catastrophic care.” There are many other ways as well.

  • mbecker908

    If they “dip their toes in” and we let them, it won’t be long before the entire system is another cabinet office.

    The job of the politician in DC is to expand federal control over everything that happens. Without regard to party.

  • mbecker908
  • Beasley Beesmeal

    actually….that sounds exactly like the last 10 answers he’s uttered over the last week or so

  • http://www.erickerickson.org Erick Erickson

    Was that for it being a campaign issue or was that for it being a foregone conclusion that the Senate GOP will make priority number 1 the repeal of Obamacare should it pass?

  • http://www.erickerickson.org Erick Erickson

    Having now seen it for myself I can attest to a great number of emails from people on mobile devices that your graphic in your signature line totally breaks threads on iPhones, blackberries, etc.

  • mbecker908

    Is the problem the result of “that” graphic or is it graphics in general?

    And I’m sorry for the problem, first I heard about it is right now. Do we have some kind of guideline for graphics and/or signatures?

  • AndrewHyman

    MCCONNELL: There?s no question that this bill, if it were to become law, and frankly even if it doesn?t become law, will be a big, if not central issue not only in the 2010 election, but in the 2012 election.

  • http://www.redstate.com/tnjim TNJim

    I for one will miss the “Cheney X 2″ graphic. That was a classic.

  • antisocial

    How do you get somebody to give a straight answer when he is confused? His heart is not in it. Seems like he doesn’t care.

    There are 2 types of leaders:
    1>People who lead by example and say to their Team members “Guys follow me”.
    2>People who tell their Team members “Guys go ahead and do X,Y and Z”

    Mitch is none of them. That is unfortunate considering that we are in a fight of great consequences. Probably fight of our lives.

  • Wubbies World

    … one of the problems in the Republican party. Why can’t this pin head say, “yes we are going to repeal it and it will be a campaign issue”. It is because he has no intention of doing so! He is only opposing this thing because it is toxic and he doesn’t want to be damaged by it. However, that is not the same as saying he is opposed to it in real terms. Clowns like him need to be primaried badly!

  • larryp

    get majority or super majority in 2010. then they say “hey, look at all the power
    we have over of American life.
    So then the y sayd that they will fix this paragraph or that chapter of Health control…Or the cap and trade:”lets keep the trade” because they likeall the money flowing in to spend.
    Weasel stuff. tired of weasels.And squishes.
    I know that the Senate GOP has never had to fight like this ever. And did a pretty good job considering that.
    But when the NSRC calls up for money and I say where are the Senators?
    They are not speakig out our values.And NRSc says sure they are- on C-Span.
    Well that is pitiful.pathetic and loser.

  • Beasley Beesmeal

    in a more manageable form….bank on it

  • http://erickbrockway.wordpress.com/ Erick Brockway

    “Errr, ummm, Look over there!”

  • AndrewHyman

    This is from the obituary of former Senate Majority Leader Mike Mansfield:
    “his news conferences were mostly a monosyllabic torrent of Yeps, Nopes, and Can’t says. But few people on Capitol Hill were more widely esteemed. Mansfield had the priceless knack of winning ? and keeping ? everyone’s trust.” Of course, it’s easier to win when you’re in the majority….

  • http://erickbrockway.wordpress.com/ Erick Brockway

    ?Do you think that Republicans running for Senate in 2010 should run on a platform of vowing to repeal the health care reform bill, should it become law? And will that be one of your first items should you regain control of the Senate, repealing what you guys call Obama-care??

    He asked that, should it pass, will the main goal be to get it repealed and will the GOP run on that issue.

    McConnell;

    Well, certainly, politically, it?s a big problem for them. They all kind of joined hands and went off the cliff together.

    So back to the question, will the GOP run on repeal of HCR and work to accomplish that goal, should it pass? We know it’s a problem for Democrats.
    What am I missing?

  • Tbone

    to interpret this for you. “?Well, certainly.? That seems pretty much synonymous with ?yes.?”

    Either that or tell us who you hired to dumb you down in that I doubt you achieved this level all by yourself.

  • bs
  • bs

    I noticed it myself last week when browsing a comment thread from my iPod Touch Safari browser. I thought it was just me, since that’s so often the case… :-)

  • AndrewHyman

    If you’re trying to convey some message to me, Tbone, please elaborate. And, “be respectful, or be banned.”

  • drfredc

    Mitch is so focused on process, protocol and procedure, he forgets that winning politics is all about putting forth a clear message of what you stand for…

    He’s like having a lineman as your quarterback. You might be good in the trenches but don’t get anywhere significant and mostly lose — with style.. .

  • http://charlemagne-the-hammer.blogspot.com/ DerKrieger

    …that “well certainly” isn’t synonymous with “yes” because “well certainly” isn’t what McConnell said.

    McConnell said “Well, certainly, politically, it?s a big problem for them.”

    That is entirely different from “Well certainly.” and therefore McConnell did not in fact answer the question.

  • pollux

    Thanks for the link Erick. We watched the interview and at first we were shocked… he seemed totally waxen and oblivious. Then we talked about your post… check out how long these guys have been in the Senate:

    1977 (!) Hatch
    1978 Cochran
    1981 Grassley
    1985 MCCONNELL
    1987 Shelby, McCain

    2010 is McConnell’s Silver Anniversary. He’s had 25 years to get it together. And except for Jan 3-20, 2001, and Jun 2001-2003, these guys have had control of the Senate since Dec 1994. How would you grade his progress over these 25 years?

    I’m concerned that if these same people become the majority again, after all these years they are incapable of doing new tricks. Einstein said insanity is the belief that one can get different results by doing the same thing… maybe that extends to voting for the same people?

    We have to find great new people to run and put a new generation of leadership in place. And I agree that 3rd parties are failure votes. There’s no way the NRCC and NRSC aren’t going to protect the status quo (I was going to say “Old Boys Network” but Kay Bailey Hutchison has been there since 1993).

    Totally agree with DerKrieger and antisocial and I hope we can all work hard to bring in new leadership with the new decade because after watching this last round it’s clear the whole system is broken. We’re committed and working toward that goal and your post Erick was inspiring as always.

  • http://charlemagne-the-hammer.blogspot.com/ DerKrieger

    …is the same one all moderates suffer from. Lack of conviction. Moderates by definition have no strongly held beliefs for which they’re willing to fight. The same can be said about moderate Democrats.

    The difference between the Dems and the GOP is that the Dems are controlled by their ideologues and make their moderates march in lockstep with the Leftist leadership. In the GOP the moderates are in charge and won’t march anywhere. If we were fortunate enough to have conservatives in charge we too could drag our moderates along with us.

    Moderates stand for nothing and never will.

  • AndrewHyman

    I wouldn’t rely too much on where ABC News inserted the period.

  • GregInFla

    to the DeMint/Coburn bad cop…

  • Beasley Beesmeal

    may I ask how old you are?

  • http://guyaverage.blogspot.com guyaverage

    will not work for politicians. This is not the nature of the beast. They need to be able to say both “yes” and “no” in the same sentence sometimes and that simply takes rhetoric in order to accomplish.

    If you were to have, say, a Statesman (or Stateswoman) then I could see getting a straight “yes” or “no”, but not with politicians.

    As far as the collegiality of The Senate goes, I see it along the same lines as “What Happens In Vegas Stays In Vegas”. There may be a few, like possibly DeMint in the current Senate, who have not jumped naked into a big pile (sorry about the mental image there – I’m speaking figuratively) and don’t want to share any of the dirty details with the Citizens that they are sent to DC to serve. It is more than just politeness and civility between one another, it is more like Mutually Assured Destruction if anyone gets a case of loose lips.

    Breitbart has this video ( http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=1byjtWkE2PY ) that shows an apparently intoxicated Max Baucus on the Senate Floor being collegial in an Animal House sort of way.

    It is an Old Boys and Old Girls club in the US Senate. That is part of the problem, for sure.

  • suej

    McConnell deserves absolutely NO kudos for anything. The Senate had three weeks with the HR bill, and McConnell should have and could have done exactly what Erick has espoused, and that was “obstruct” the progress.

    As an “independent”, I have recognized that changing my registration to Republican is critical for the upcoming elections.

    I consider myself to be a conservative and see nothing in this whole disaster to be redeemed. One does not come on a head on collision in the road and start looking for bits of usable pieces in the rubble. The mess is cleared away, and travel begins again.

    That’s what needs to happen with this bill! And my Senator McConnell needs to man up and lead or get out of the way!

  • mom2oneson
  • AndrewHyman

    It may be true that McConnell could have delayed the vote until after Christmas, in which case he deserves criticism. I don’t know all the facts about that, so I’m not giving an opinion.

    All I was saying is that whether he said “Well, certainly.” versus “Well, certainly….” seems kind of trivial. If we’re going to blast McConnell, then blast him fair and square about something that really matters. Likewise, whether a vote occurred in the AM or the PM of December 24 doesn’t seem like a big deal to me (nor does it seem like a big deal to Coburn, Inhofe, and Cornyn).

    McConnell did maintain unanimity of a very fractious GOP caucus in the Senate, which is not a trivial accomplishment. I’m not convinced that any other Senator could have done any better, given the very low number of GOP Senators.

    Maybe it’s too late to salvage this situation, but I would still urge the GOP to rise above just saying “no.” For instance, the GOP could identify some minimal level of catostrophic coverage that qualifies as “insurance,” and could propose an interstate agreement whereby every citizen has to use X dollars of his own money to cover himself with such a minimal catastrophic policy. This wouldn’t cost taxpayers a dime, and the GOP could claim that tens of millions of people would thus become insured. Something like that, which would make the GOP look better to the big middle of voters. That might be enough to stop this monstrous bill.

  • Beasley Beesmeal

    I’m not surprised anymore that you’re defending McConnell

  • jacon4

    on the senate floor, obviously drunk and slurring his words.

    http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=M5Y9X5ggxzA&feature=player_embedded

  • abingtonjim

    Somewhere along the line “wouldn’t cost taxpayers a dime” and “use X dollars of his own money” I got confused. Sounds like a mandate and I believe that (and a few other minor things) is what started this great social experiment we now call “The United States of America” off some 230+ years ago.

  • http://www.erickerickson.org Erick Erickson

    not sure why, but that one in particular really messed things up. It stretched out the whole thread to the point where you had to scroll and scroll and scroll to get to the next comment.

  • merryj1

    “…and could propose an interstate agreement whereby every citizen has to use X dollars…”

    That simply doesn’t fit into any definition of “individual liberty” that I will ever accept. As far as I’m concerned, that little deviation from Constitutional prerogatives eliminated Romney from ever getting my vote… and I don’t care if “otherwise” he were a Ronald Reagan clone.

  • gunnerbs

    http://www.amazon.com/Eats-Shoots-Leaves-Tolerance-Punctuation/dp/1592400876

    Then you’ll know why it is not “trivial” where the punctuation is.

    Second, are you really saying that the GOP response to this monstrosity of a bill, which requires citizens to buy something (health insurance) just because they exist, should be to say “We would require everyone to buy insurance, too–just not as much”?

    Really?

    Because that’s how I read “the GOP…could propose an interstate agreement whereby every citizen has to use X dollars of his own money to cover himself with such a minimal catastrophic policy.”

  • http://impudent.blognation.us/blog kyle8

    The Republicans have literally dozens of proposals for healthcare. The Democrats won’t let them present any of them.

  • JadedByPolitics

    being a “concern” troll! He has thrown ALL of these things out this weekend to bring US to a “moderate” and or “concerned” response and basically EVERYONE has held the line on him. He wants us to have “ideas” intimating there are NONE he pretends to be blind that the Republicans actually had a BILL that was SCORED by the CBO and found to be DEFICIT NEUTRAL.

    I would see his diaries show him to be what I have said he is however this comment about “just saying no” is ALL one needs to PEG Andrew for what he is because WE Conservatives have recognized from the get that there was another plan and it wasn’t just NO however in the face of being LOCKED OUT of meeting rooms and the bill itself NO was and continues to be the PROPER RESPONSE!

    Oh and Andrew at this moment in time those “middle voters” LOVE the GOP or perhaps with all of your time being concerned you NEGLECTED to follow the polls!

  • RedBeard

    This is a problem all through society. We have become a nation of weasels.

    Politicians can’t say anything in 25 words or less.

    Parents can’t say yes or no to their children.

    Bosses can’t give orders without 47 qualifying modifiers.

    The best men I have known were the ones who spoke the fewest words, but who made those few words meaningful.

    David Belasco, the famous theatrical producer, weary of writers pitching long-winded play ideas to him, and was quoted as saying, “If you can’t write your idea on the back of my calling card, you don’t have a clear idea.”

  • Scope

    I have been here for a year and 4 months, and, I do not remember seeing much posted by AndrewHyman in that time period. For the past week or so, he has been here posting numerous diaries, and, making numerous comments. There has been a constant theme in most of what he has been promoting, moderate to liberal Republicanism, at best. He has defended McConnell in saying that McConnell deserves respect because he at least held all the Rupublicans together, they all voted against the Healthcare bill, he believes that to be some major accomplishment. With his lack of honesty, in the importance of where periods are placed, he has in other words stated that Erick is wrong in his appraisal of McConnell’s lack of ability to answer a simple question. Andrew’s ideas are not those of principled conservatives, that the federal government has no place in passing bills, or even being involved in issues that are best left to the states, or not to government at all. Andrew just wants the spineless Republicans to have a seat at the table of federal government expansion, and, to insure that the Republicans take care not to disrupt his beloved non-conservative entitlement programs, namely SS and Medicare. He is supporting the latest and largest expansion with a government run healtcare entitlement, which is to say the least, unsustaniable and unconstitutional. From his posts, one can see that his goal is for the Republicans to have their signatures on the legislation as well, so that it can be seen as Bipartisan. His thoughts and goals can be seen as contrary to what the majority of Americans have said loudly, do not pass the legislation. As previously pointed out, in another diary, Andrew does not appear to be even Republican, let alone a conservative. I don’t catch concern in Andrew’s comments, I see a desire to control the debate, and, to inform us all why we are so very wrong.

    Heck, Andrew is apparently having problems with the way Redstate has decided to operate, after 5 years of figuring it out, he disagrees with “Reply to This” and wants posts to appear chronologically, and, he has asked that we all use our real names, because that will keep us all “honest.” I agree with Haystack, there are times when we should consider invoking the Hintz rule. To attempt to debate with someone who has ideas that are so contrary to the site owner, the site mods and the site members is a foolish waste of time that can better be spent talking about how we are going to get rid of the same losers that Andrew would rather keep, along with a party that stays in the wildnerness. If that’s concern, it’s very misplaced.

  • edintexas

    Grammar and punctuation. “Well, certainly.” would mean exactly what you took his reply to mean – a mostly unequivocal “Yes”.

    However, what he said (and how the sentence is contructed) was “Well, certainly, politically, it?s a big problem for them.”, which means McConnell was saying that the vote/bill is a big problem for the Democrats. That isn’t even close to indicating that, in his opinion, the Republicans will run in 2010 on a platform of repeal.

  • edintexas

    That should be “constructed”, not “contructed”.

  • penguin2

    Hope he doesn’t mind, but I don’t even think he is a mod to lib Republican. IMO, liberal Republicans (if there is such a creature), fall into the Dem camp, outright. His posts indicate to me, he doesn’t seem to have any desire to promote the goals of this site. Yesterday, his wanting to OUT ( I cannot think of a better description), the RedState members, only confirms that he has an agenda not compatible with ours.

    For myself, Hinz Rule it is. If he keeps it up, the site will deal well enough with him.

  • http://www.examiner.com/x-1597-Charlotte-Law--Politics-Examiner Mike gamecock DeVine

    certainly had political problems. He did not answer the questions.

    Moreover, the GOP could have obstructed far better than they did the last 3 weeks and could have done so for months.

    They did offer alternatives btw incl ending state monopolies and having federal tort reform.

  • JadedByPolitics

    Andrew Hyman and being WE three what with penquin below this comment being women I am going to go with the woman’s intution and of course WE are SMART enough to pick apart those RINO’s who have INFESTED our beautiful Conservative Party!

  • themerlin

    There are open questions and closed questions. Closed questions are those answered yes or no. When a closed question is asked and answered as if it were an open question, your mind gets uncomfortable. That’s what Eric is saying and means…IMHO. It drives me bats to hear this all the time and politicians are masters at it. The way the question should have been ansered is YES, and let me elaborate or something similar. It’s like a waitress asking you if you’d like more coffee. She wants to hear YES or NO…not that you had three cups already and probably shouldn’t have another but since she’s there with the pot…blah blah blah.

  • penguin2

    Jake Tapper did not ask him about the Dems, he asked about the GOP. Sen. McConnell danced around the entire issue, which tells me, the answer is “no”, and that is a big problem for us. His answer reflected the typical politicians behavior of obfuscating, so as not to take a stand. In the end, the country continues to have no reason to see the Republicans any different from the Dems.

  • proudmarinemom

    When did Max Baucus make this speech? Is there no prohibition against public drunkenness on the Senate floor?

    This is treasonous. Where is the outrage?

  • Joe_Cor

    “In their hearts they think they’re wrong.”

  • AceInTX

    So Mitch…will Republicans commit to repealing it it it becomes Law or not?

    The first step in leadership is to commit to a cause or goal to be accomplished…This is keeping your options open…This is leaving things open to interpretation interpretation…this is talking without saying anything…but it ain’t leadership!

  • Tbone

    Either way, he is only worth mocking.

  • RedBeard

    http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=kbLn7cX-HHg

  • mbecker908
  • mbecker908

    is something on the order of “If you become Majority Leader (or Speaker), will you work with the Democrats in a bipartisan manner to enact legislation?”

    If the answer is “Yes” they should be primaried.

  • jackbenimble

    Based on the behavior of the Republican Party last time they were in control, I don’t think our fearless leaders are all that philosophically opposed to massive expansions of government. I agree with Glen Beck’s analysis that BOTH parties are filled largely by progressives. There is nobody representing conservatives. We have a choice of bad or worse.

    McConnell was tossed a soft-ball and all he had to do was give a one word answer. His equivocation suggests that he has absolutely NO intention of working towards repeal.

  • Mayhem

    I half hope the Senate GOP doesn’t retake the majority next year, for fear that it will just cement him in his leadership role.

  • Blenheim

    Glad to see you’re alive and well.

  • onyon43

    I want to really get after my liberal friends when they bring up the garbage about not having alternatives (as Max Baucus so intoxicatingly told us…) but I don’t know the house / senate numbers for them to look them up. Is there a place that I could go to get all of them listed? I remember reading about one of them, I just can’t remember what they are.

    Thank you.

  • AndrewHyman

    The House GOP did propose a set of alternative solutions. See here. The Congressional Budget Office found that, by 2019, according to that GOP alternative;the number of nonelderly people without health insurance would be reduced by about 3 million relative to current law, leaving about 52 million nonelderly residents uninsured. See here.

    So, while the Democratic plan would get upwards of 30 million insured, the current GOP plan would get about 3 million insured. If I could pick between the two plans, I’d take the GOP plan, because the Democratic plan is a mess; it is a trillion dollar redistribution scheme that would raise taxes, harm medicare for the elderly, involve the federal government in micromanaging a sixth of the economy, et cetera, et cetera.

    I hope the Democrats don’t manage to push their plan to the finish line, and if they do I hope they suffer at the polls for it, and that the GOP gets a huge majority in Congress. However, I think that’s all wishful thinking without a GOP health plan that the “moderate middle” of the country thinks will support.

    Now, people can call me a stupid troll all they want, instead of engaging in any meaningful conversation. But the fact is, I’ve merely suggested an individual mandate imposed by the states that would not redistribuite wealth anywhere. It would merely have people insure THEMSELVES, so that the rest of the society doesn’t have to pick up the tab when they get sick or injured.

    If people want to pile on with insults, well, it only makes this site look very bad. Cheers.

  • Achance

    only go up to 42 Million. You claim to be a Republican or a conservative, you use all this “we” stuff, but everything you say comes from liberal talking points.

  • AndrewHyman

    I provided the link to the CBO Report. That’s where the “52 million” number comes from.

  • Swamp_Yankee

    nt

  • AndrewHyman

    McConnell was speaking, not writing. ABC News decided where to put the punctuation.

    gunnerbs, states require people to buy lots of things. Like auto insurance. Like clothing. I don’t think buying a catastrophic health insurance policy is too much to require.

    The bill that’s on the verge of passing has half a trillion in new taxes, and also takes half a trillion dollars from Medicare to give to people other than the elderly, and I’m 100% against all that.

  • Achance

    apparently believe it. Remember, Comrade Obama hauled the head of the CBO over for a “chat.” Seems the CBO has been a whole bunch more Democrat friendly since that “chat.”

  • AndrewHyman

    It refers to total number of non-residents, including illegal aliens. As I said here, illegal aliens ought not to be covered by and health care legislation. One of the dangers of the present health bill is that Congress and the courts will do that. I’m 100% opposed to it, but I guess people here will call me a liberal troll for that.

  • AndrewHyman

    I meant “residents” instead of “non-residents.”

  • Tbone

    Why should they, they get treated for free already.

  • AndrewHyman

    I don’t think that Charles Krauthammer is a little troll:

    We heard Michael Steele say earlier, he’s the head of the RNC, that these numbers are cooked because the head of the CBO was brought into the White House – I wish he hadn’t said that, because that’s not the reason. You don’t have to corrupt the CBO. It’s not. It’s very honest.
    You cook the books by presenting the assumption that the CBO is required to assume it will happen but what everybody understands is not going to happen. That’s why the ostensible CBO number looks good. The real number is devastatingly in deficit.

    Is there a chance, AChance, that you could be respectful?

  • Scope

    you are wasting your prescious time. Andrew has been on here, for the past week or so feining respect for McConnell and the moderate r’s, while supporting the Liberal healthcare plan, only for a few little tweaks it needs from Republicans. I suspect Andrew is of the age that he is eligible for all those juicy entitlements, and doesn’t want the Republicans ruining his gravy train. He paid for them all these years by dang it.

    When anyone disagrees with some of the worst of what he posts, he runs for the “it is making the site look bad” defence. He doesn’t understand that he is not on the same page as most of us here. We don’t want the bill tweaked or made into a bigger Bipartisan disaster, we want it killed and buried. What was it that Ronnie had said about some that just have to go their way?

  • dwander

    Tbone,

    They don’t get treated for free; the counties end up paying the cost out of scarce funds. The state and feds mandate the the county give illegals free treatmen because the cities don’t want to do anything about them.

  • Tbone

    Is that more clear?

  • dwander

    :-)

    Just a little sensitive to the amount the counties are
    forced to give away due to unfunded mandates.

  • mbecker908

    that the number is cooked. It’s a BS number pure and simple..

    And the larger point is that we need to be finding a way to kill this thing NOT compromise on it.

    I don’t think you’re a “liberal troll”. I just don’t think you’re very bright.

  • gunnerbs

    You are not taking the “health insurance is just like auto insurance” argument are you? Let me refute that right now: If you don’t drive or have a car, no state requires you to buy insurance. So no, you don’t have to buy it to exist, which is what I originally said. And I really don’t care what you think is “not to much to require” when it comes to MY money and MY health.

    How about this: I think that people who think I should be required to buy health insurance should pay for it. I don’t think that’s too much to require.

    See how silly that argument is?

    As to the punctuation, you brought it up as trivial.