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Mitch McConnell Tries to Have It Both Ways

Friends, it is important for me to keep harping on this issue because we have really been betrayed in the Senate by the Republican leadership. It is abundantly obvious now that the Senate GOP played to beat the spread, not to beat the bill.

Yesterday, I noted Jake Tapper asked Mitch McConnell a plainly worded question: “[W]ill that be one of your first items should you regain control of the Senate, repealing what you guys call Obama-care?”

McConnell refused to say yes or no. In fact, he never answered the question.

There was, however, another nugget in the interview with Tapper that needs the spotlight.

From the transcript, Jake Tapper asked, “You’ve been criticized by several conservative voices, Rush Limbaugh, Erick Erickson at Redstate.com and others, for not doing enough to stop health care reform. As the Senate Democrats passed the bill, you said this fight is not over, my colleges and I will work to stop this bill from becoming law. So what are you going to do and what can you do with only 40 votes?”

McConnell answered

Well, first, every single Republican opposed the measure. All of the procedural devices that are available to slow down a measure were employed. It didn’t pass until Christmas eve at 7:00 a.m. The American people are overwhelmingly opposed to the bill. I’m not sure what’s to criticize about that from a conservative point of view. And of course, the bill is not law yet. It’s still got be reconciled between the House and Senate. There are deep differences among Democrats. Every single Democrat in the Senate provided the one vote that passed this 2,700-page monstrosity. It cuts Medicare by half a trillion dollars, raises taxes by half a trillion dollars, and instead of curbing the rate of increase of insurance premiums, most Americans’ insurance premiums are going to go up.

This bill is a colossal failure, and that’s why the American people were literally screaming at us, you know, please, don’t pass this bill.

Two things to point out here. First, he says “all of the procedural devices” were used to slow the bill. Second, he again falls back on “deep differences among Democrats” — the same differences he said he would exploit to kill the bill.

Let’s roll the tape.

On Thursday, December 3rd, Senator Jon Kyl, the Senate Minority Whip, went on the Bill Bennett show and said, “I think we can be fairly upfront about it. Our strategy is not actually to delay and not take votes. . . .Our strategy is to have a lot of good amendments and highlight the problems in the bill,” and “it is not our strategy to somehow slow things down.”

This came after someone leaked the Judd Gregg memorandum that outlined all the minority rights available in the Senate to obstruct the health care legislation.1

Notwithstanding the memo, Senator McConnell said

I think it’s clearly not the case that the Republicans want to delay a process that we’ve only now gotten an opportunity to participate in, since this has been a strictly partisan adventure from the beginning,” McConnell said, at one point stifling a chuckle. “But we’ll have an opportunity over a number of weeks to offer amendments.”

Then there is this rather indicting report from Congressional Quarterly. Unfortunately it is not online, but some choice highlights include:

McConnell and aides have denied Democrats’ charges that the GOP’s only plan is delay, disputing that a memorandum by Senate Budget ranking memberJudd Greggon procedural steps the minority can use to slow the bill amounts to “an obstruction manual.”

Senate aides said McConnell appears to have his eye on the bill’s political implications for the fractious Democratic majority.

Yet again, McConnell seemingly based his entire strategy on the idea that the Democrats would defeat the legislation, not the Republicans. McConnell was so convinced that the Democrats would kill the bill themselves, he shut down Tom Coburn’s attempts to have all 3000 pages of the legislation read in an effort to tie up the Senate for, potentially, more than a week.

Before Thanksgiving, Sen.Tom Coburn, R-Okla., backed off a threat to force a reading of the healthcare bill. But appearing miffed, he made clear he did so reluctantly at the request of leadership.

McConnell wants to have it both ways. He is now saying that the GOP used every procedural weapon available, but said repeatedly and backed up those words with actions to prove he was not actually working to delay the legislation.

Again from Congressional Quarterly:

Cracks have appeared between GOP leadership and conservatives favoring less accommodation than McConnell. When Republican objections prevented votes on amendments from the start of debate Monday to late Wednesday, Democrats used the delay to hammer the GOP for stalling. Appearing sensitive to those charges, McConnell said he had hoped for votes last Tuesday, but that some Republican senators had sought more time for floor speeches.

It’s not just McConnell appearing sensitive to being labeled an obstructionist. Even Orrin Hatch has gotten in on the game.

Nobody’s been an obstructionist. All we wanted to do was participate in the process,” Sen. Orrin Hatch (R-Utah) said on CNN during a back and forth over the health care bill. “I think [Democrats] deserve some credit for getting it done, as bad as it is. But it’s going to wreck our country, I have to tell you. And people out there know that.”

The Senate Republicans leaders seem to think that for success with independents and Republicans they must beat the spread, but not actually beat any legislation lest they be seen as obstructionists.

We have the Senate Minority Whip, the Senate Minority Leader, and the ranking minority member on the Senate Finance Committee’s health care subcommittee all saying the GOP had no intention of obstructing the health care bill. And there was action to back it up. We know it was not just spin for the media.

After it’s over? We have Mitch McConnell saying the Senate GOP did everything in its power to stop the bill.

The facts show just the opposite.


  1. Some people, mostly Senate staff hacks, are trying to make this about the filibuster. They say that because the GOP did not have 41 votes, the bare minimum to filibuster, the GOP could do nothing. That’s the argument of lazy intellectuals and dishonest rubes. Read Gregg’s memo. Read this post of mine.. Consider that:

    • all the GOP had to do was pick off one Democrat;
    • had the GOP promptly forced a vote, the bill would have failed because the Democrats did not have sixty votes;
    • the GOP strategy let the Democrats get to sixty votes;
    • had the GOP run the clock out to Christmas, the Democrats would have had to go home and face voters before voting; and lastly,
    • Mitch McConnell had 55 Republicans, but under his leadership it dwindled to 40. This record of success is only matched by his time as Chairman of the NRSC where, as you might have guessed, the GOP also lost seats.

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  • Marcus_Traianus

    So broken record, beating the dead horse, kicking the corpse and all that- but didn’t Mitch take us down the wilderness path? Why should he even be considered for a “leadership” position. Who would support that?

    It’s time for Republicans like McConnell to stop thinking this coming revolution is all about Democrats. It is also about self serving, double speaking followers who drop their principals to make deals at any cost.

    I for one think our party could benefit from some new leadership blood- and there are many candidates around much more skilled then Mitch.

  • Aaron Gardner
  • neyney

    McConnell is a symptom of a larger problem, namely RINO’s. Not only do we need to throw out the Dems but those like McConnell need to be ousted as well. This isn’t a “purity test” this is a battle between those who KNOW that conservative ideals will save the country and those like McConnell who are satisfied with just getting a minimum passed. This is where it will be a fine balancing act in the next election cycles. We face “Scozzy” type scenarios when we are trying to root out RINO’s like these within the party. It can be done, look at Crist and Rubio in Fla but it’s going to be difficult. Where and whenever we can we need to let those like McConnell know that if they aren’t willing to stand up for what the Republican Party was founded on then they need to step down and let another run with the R after their name. It’s hard enough fighting the good fight with good soldiers much less with wimps like McConnell who won’t even get in the fight in the first place.

  • Crimefyter

    McConnell has to go! His leadership is a joke. Hopefully, when the new batch of elected Senators hit the floor, the real change can start right there with the ouster of McConnell from the leadership position.

  • mriggio

    What on earth does Hatch mean when he says “[Democrats] deserve some CREDIT FOR GETTING IT DONE……but IT’S GOING TO WRECK OUR COUNTRY”?

    Using the same tortured logic, the 9/11 hijackers deserve some credit for getting it done, even though it wrecked the World Trade Center towers.

    Forest, trees. These guys get so obsessed with passing laws they cannot see cause & effect anymore. But, heck, ya gotta give ‘em credit for gettin’ ‘er done!

  • NeoKong

    ?Nobody?s been an obstructionist. All we wanted to do was participate in the process,? Sen. Orrin Hatch (R-Utah) said on CNN during a back and forth over the health care bill. ?I think [Democrats] deserve some credit for getting it done, as bad as it is. But it?s going to wreck our country, I have to tell you. And people out there know that.?

    So is he saying that “participating” was more important than stopping the bill…? Also he gives credit to Democrats for their ability to wreck our country with a bill he had no intention of stopping if I read that correctly.

    Why do we have to put up with this…?
    They have lost the will to win.
    My checkbook is beginning to pucker.

  • Dan Perrin

    you have documented, mainly because no one in the MSM has reported that McConnell was pressuring other Senators who wanted to take a more aggressive posture, by saying that if you do not follow MY strategy of “message amendments” and not delaying the bill, but allowing it to proceed, then you will be responsible for the passage of ObamaCare.

    But the inverse is true, ObamaCare’s passage in the Senate falls directly on McConnell’s shoulders and the failure of his strategy means, by his own words, he is at fault.

    It is absolute horse-**it for him to claim he used all the procedural weapons at his disposal, the McConnell not only kept the weapons locker shut, locked and guarded — and he did he not use it’s contents, but he refused to let anyone else in to get some guided missiles, C-4, 155 artillery, helicopter gunships or access to Puff-the-Magic Dragon (of Vietnam era fame) — all while McConnell strutted and proclaimed “I am in charge.” And he failed.

    To lie about his role is even worse — at the very least he should stand up and admit he conducted limited warfare — tying his own hands and feet behind is back — like Senator Kyl merrily did — as you quote above.

    And so Senators backed off and let McConnell run the show, until, that is, he failed.

    Thank God you are documenting cowardliness in battle Erick.

    What else do you call a guy who brings a nerf sword to gunfight?

  • http://uslibertyjournal.blogspot.com/ daezy

    Tro da bums out! It’s going to be difficult, but if we can do it in Florida, we can do it again and again.

  • toughintn

    Keep it up, Erick. Those facts are worth stating over and over again — because repetition is the only way to succeed when someone is that hardheaded or oblivious.

    Mitch McConnell needs to face the truth about his job performance. This “leader” is no leader. He is a follower — and follows the WRONG side.

    Vassar’s diary, “Mitch McConnell, the Culture of Nice and the Constitutional Fire,” includes some pithy statements worthy of reprint here:

    “[McConnell] has cast an image that is quite frankly, inerasable in the public mind; quiet, pleasant, well mannered, accommodating, and ever so gracious in defeat. The slumped shoulders of supplication do not inspire.”

    “[. . .] I am quite certain that many GOP staffers would be quite willing to be perpetual No 2?s to the Dem?s, just so long at they can hold onto their clubhouse privileges at National Country Club. They?ve been Michelized to the core.”

  • SteveLA

    Erick,

    Many spilled electrons on the failings of Mitch, but the real question, when is the leadership challenge going to happen?

    From the health care debacle to coming fights, Mitch has proven that he can’t lead or at best does not have a clear grasp on the concept of leadership. So what is holding up a leadership challenge?

    Going into the primaries, for Republicans to win there has to be a reason for people to vote for the party not just because of Obama malaise. Mitch “go along to get along” appears to offer up nothing more than warmed over leftovers found in the back of the Republican refrigerator and that is not going to give people a reason to vote for Republicans because of the ideas put forth by the party.

  • cari

    do you think that’s why DeMint objected to the conferees and not McConnell, because he cares more about appearing statesman-like instead of winning? When will the first chance to change leadership be? Can the Republicans do it now, before the beginning of the year? (I’d love to see either DeMint or Coburn in the job). And do either you or Erick see a chance that this bill can still be stopped?

  • orangemtl

    …..? Hey, what’s that “squishing” sound on the television?
    Why, I believe it’s the Republican leadeship! I’d know that invertebrate sound anywhere.
    Senator McConnell is either 1) Wayyyy smarter than us simple folk, and knows that beating the Democrats’ fists with his face is going to win eventually, or:
    2) he’s a rudderless career pol, trying to avoid conflict with anyone and everyone, heedless of the intense disgust this creates among conservatives.
    I choose…2. Appalling lack of ‘strategery’.
    Would that he and others would back Sen. Coburn, as he continues to say what physicians and nonphysicians alike have said about this horrendous bill, among others: it’s a medical care and economic debacle, with neither improved care nor reduced costs at its core.
    The November elections should, among other things bring a sharp realignment of congressional Republican leadership; the positions are currently unfilled.

  • http://www.keadleforcongress.com vickistg

    Remember that old saying? “A new broom sweeps clean.” Many of you may never have experienced the phenomena of a brand new broom, but, trust me, they do a whole lot better job of getting up the dirt than their worn-out predecessors. We MUST, as conservatives, become said brooms and sweep the corruption and apathy from our party. That’s why I’m supporting every anti-incumbent, non-career politician, regular Joe with a real job, candidate I can find! In the interest of full disclosure, I was recently employed as a staffer for just such a candidate. He has taken a BONDED term limit pledge and still can’t get enough support to sustain a campaign. Everyone gripes about the “good ole boys” in DC, but now is the time to (literally) put your money where your mouth is. Give what you can to the candidate(s) of your choice. If you don’t have $$ give time and effort and spread the word of their candidacy. We can no longer expect to sit back, come out on election day, and get our needs met. If you continue to do what you’ve always done, you will continue to get what you’ve always gotten.
    McConnell needs to go, but he’s in a large group of those that need to go. Voting the party line or “the right way” is no longer good enough! What happens BEFORE a bill gets to the floor is MORE important. Just because you’re in the minority doesn’t mean you can’t gum up the wheels for the opposition. That’s the biggest problem. NO ONE wants to admit that the “other guys” are on the wrong side! Heck yeah, I want my supposedly conservative Representative or Senator to be obstructing the snot out of every dang bill those Socialists run down the pike! We better be “obstructionists” now while we still can. Pretty soon we may not have that privilege.

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  • AceInTX

    We had a saying when I worked in the DOJ…”Screw up move up!”

    He’s failed over and over again and keeps being promoted.

    Who in the Senate is going to challenge him?

    Who in the Senate is likely to replace him?

    I’d like to see Coburn and DeMint replace McConnell and Alexander…but do you see John McCain, Lindsey Graham, or any of the rest of them voting for Coburn or DeMint?

    This sucks eggs beyond belief and I don’t want to be a fly in the ointment…but I don’t see the craptacular Republican leadership in the Senate changing this year.

    You are especially dead on with your comment about the coming revolution being about more than just the Democrats because as bad as the Dems are…people loath a cowering cur more than the alpha dog who makes it dribble urine on the floor simply by showing it’s teeth!

    McConnell and the current leadership of this party have become that cowering cur!

  • http://online.logcabin.org/about/ suzieQ

    But history just doesn’t prove it to be so. If we were to take back the House and the Senate right now, it would be the 109th congress all over again. The republicans in leadership positions now have no plans to give them up to someone new.

  • Scope

    as said above. It seemed obvious to me that DeMint wanted to fight this disaster, but, was constrained. I know some here wanted to blame not only McConnell, but every other Republican senator, because they all should have been doing something. Now, I can only hope that DeMint et al wll go against McConnell’s losing strategy, if you can call it a strategy, and do what ever little may left, and not just banking on the Democrat infighting.

  • Scope

    as said above. It seemed obvious to me that DeMint wanted to fight this disaster, but, was constrained. I know some here wanted to blame not only McConnell, but every other Republican senator, because they all should have been doing something. Now, I can only hope that DeMint et al wll go against McConnell’s losing strategy, if you can call it a strategy, and do what ever little may left, and not just banking on the Democrat infighting.

  • http://vbushmills.blogtownhall.com/ vassar

    …for asking it.

    The specific question is what can RedState do to facilitate a challenge or change?

    We all know the problem, no matter how much we over-anguish about it here. (Need to cut down on the “catharting”.) Mitch has to go. Only saying it won’t make it so.

    So what do we, can we do to make it so? RedState has some cachet out there now, and in politics, like Texas Hold ‘em, we’re (your’re) now either in the small or the big blind. Gotta bet…since, if we don’t, the GOP stays put (folds), and we all lose.

    I’m not saying go all in, still, if they win this pot….

    I’m in…

  • 308winchester

    I agree guys. This could have been stopped with some hard ball tactics. Mitch is a nice guy and all, but we need leadership that is going to take the battle to the enemy. The new Senate Conservatives coming up soon will have to provide the leadership that is glaringly lacking right now. The Post about him not addressing the repeal of Obamacare is most telling about the leadership of the Republicans

  • fpete13527

    …….starting with McConnell. HE DID NOT DO ALL HE COULD….and he stopped those from attempting to do more. Forget about any backlash….which probably won’t come anyway.

    Let the power-slamming of the GOP start NOW and let the liberal media say whatever they want. The earlier we get the transition going, the less we will have to deal with them later.

    In the coming year, there are too many issues to fight and too many conservative candidates to ensure get elected. There won’t be time to mess around with the the “Huffington Mindset” of the current GOP, spear-headed by McConnell, Graham, and the other RINOs

    Currently, the GOP leadership still doesn’t get it….and they don’t get it that they don’t get it. TIme to get them to get it…..at all costs.

  • abeldred

    One of the down sides to the 6 yr term is the fact that most of these guys are not facing re-election. That said, they want to cover their butts by appearing to MODERATE and not crazy conservative so they will be poorly portrayed by the MSM. However, what most of them STILL don’t seem to comprehend is that we want them to be obstructionists, we want them to put the screws to the Libs if that will stop some of this egregious legislation. Just assuming that Dem in-fighting will kill the bill because of some disagreements is simply STUPID. The Lib leadership will just pay them off and by the end of January or before we will have this monstrosity.

    And, if they don’t publicly state they will do everything in their power to overturn it if they are re-elected, do they really expect us to trust them? These guys are so entrenched in beltway thinking and worried about what will be said by some idiot like Katie Couric et al, they cower in the corner trying to be a little of everything. Really angers people like me!

  • AceInTX

    By their own statements, McConnell, Hatch, and others are trying to court independents by denying they wanted to obstruct the bill…and then turn right around after letting theis mess get passed…and counter any ground they made up by not obstructing by saying they did everything to stop it?!

    Does that make any sense?

    I think this is more about a temper tantrum and a fit of pique because the Dems passed this without letting them eat scraps from their master’s table…

    The little fight they did exhibit was more to spite the Democrats for passing this using a Democrats only strategy than it ever was about any desire to stop something that will destroy our country…and what makes it worse is…they’d have been seen as heroes by the country if they had killed it sine so many hate the bill…but instead they’re going to be held in contempt in the public’s mind as the key stone cops who couldn’t find their backsides with both hands!

  • bigredone

    You can say all you want about him. He doesn’t care one whit.

    He isn’t up for re-election until 2014, and he thinks with all the arrogance he can muster that we will forget the socialized medicine fiasco.

    I am serious. He does not care.

  • http://www.examiner.com/x-1597-Charlotte-Law--Politics-Examiner Mike gamecock DeVine

    he lied about the strategy.

    thinking and fuming…

  • bigredone

    No amount of “obstruction” would turn them off. The GOP Senators could have been elevated to heroic status if they had had the guts to kill this monster.

    They have forgotten that good policy is good politics.

  • http://www.ssce.net/Web-Articles/Web-articles-indexed-authors.html#authors-l JLenardDetroit

    and agree it is pathetic that if they cannot manage to get their ire up over this agenda and do all they actually COULD do to stop it they cannot remain! I’ve been saying Republicans must be the Party of NO [to Bigger Govt.] not the Party of SLOW[er Liberal Incremental-ism] and lately the McCainiacs have been demonstrating they are all just the Caucus of the SHOW rather than REAL ACTION!!

  • http://www.the41stvote.org rcov092

    not only think Conservatives are stupid, they think “moderates and independents” are brain dead, and apparently dissuaded towards Socialism>

  • http://www.examiner.com/x-1597-Charlotte-Law--Politics-Examiner Mike gamecock DeVine

    care more about what the msm says and getting along in DC than what is best for America.

    God help us.

    And Al Gore didn’t help any…

    http://www.redstate.com/gamecock/2009/12/28/gamecock-dubs-al-gore-the-man-of-the-decad/

  • AceInTX

    By their own statements, McConnell, Hatch, and others are trying to court independents by denying they wanted to obstruct the bill…and then turn right around after letting theis mess get passed…and counter any ground they made up by not obstructing by saying they did everything to stop it?!

    Does that make any sense?

    I think this is more about a temper tantrum and a fit of pique because the Dems passed this without letting them eat scraps from their master’s table….

    The little fight they did exhibit was more to spite the Democrats for passing this using a Democrats only strategy than it ever was about any desire to stop something that will destroy our country…and what makes it worse is…they’d have been seen as heroes by the country if they had killed it sine so many hate the bill…but instead they’re going to be held in contempt in the public’s mind as the key stone cops who couldn’t find their backsides with both hands!

  • spimnyborg

    good grief

    they could have stemmed the tide and had a victory for the citizens of this country

    I’m sure Reagan was seen as “obstructionist” by the Communist governments.
    Gee, maybe he should have played nice too.

    not

  • AceInTX

    Going into the primaries, for Republicans to win there has to be a reason for people to vote for the party not just because of Obama malaise. Mitch ?go along to get along? appears to offer up nothing more than warmed over leftovers

    Welcome to my point of view…you’re welcome!

  • cari

    where I got this impression, maybe Dan’s earlier post on 12/24 “Best Christmas gift ever”, but I think DeMint objected to conferees with McConnell’s blessings. It seems that McConnell might be open to let others do the “dirty work” while he maintains the “friendly face” of the party. Maybe leadership doesn’t have to change immediately, although I’d like it to, if senators like Coburn and DeMint can convince McConnell to let them play more aggressively. As long as this bill is run over and killed, I don’t really care who’s at the wheel.

  • Bobcat51

    wth our team continually fighting by the Queensbury rules, it’s about time we had some street fighters and also some younger blood leading the party. No more playing nice guys and girls,let?s use this time now the Dems are on the ropes to deliver a knock out punch for 2010.

    The future of our nation is at stake and we still want to be nice and civil to the opposition after they have ground us into the pavement? No more; let?s respectfully put the Mitch’s of the party out to grass and get some folk in who still have a full set of teeth and know how to use them by savaging the opposition while pushing a conservative agenda. Wimps need not apply!

  • http://www.the41stvote.org rcov092

    ask any Jew about Neville Chamberlain’ attempts to accommodate the growing Third Reich threat that would consume Great Britaqin despite the attempts to be “nice” to Hitler.

    MITCH MUST GO!

  • http://www.ssce.net/Web-Articles/Web-articles-indexed-authors.html#authors-l JLenardDetroit

    as many have called for, I take it further, I want a demand to READ any/all Bills, Amendments, and even the Senate Lunch Menu, etc… read into the record since these bozos won’t read the Bills in the first place and to FORCE that “deliberation” time for, at least, us the general Public to get on them about what is in these Bills.

    I don’t care what the PERKS are that the lone “I OBJECTor” will face, someone has to be the JOE WILSON of the Senate and defy the GOP leadership and WE WILL REWARD THEM FOR IT no matter what the leadership tries to do. They will NOT need the NRSC or any other “Official” and/or unofficial Party cooperation because they will have WE THE PEOPLE actually behind them.

    WHY HASN’T SOMEONE PICKED UP ON THAT YET AND BEGUN THE GOP SENATORS COUP?!?!?

  • AceInTX
  • izoneguy

    “Gangs of New York”

  • AceInTX

    INdies would have loved them for stopping it…but what I’m seeing on the ground is Indies are madder at the Republicans for not even trying to stop it than they are the Dems for pushing it!

    This is insane to the Nth degree!

  • suej

    People were faxing all of the Republican Senators with this message for two weeks prior to Christmas. I faxed Erick’s brilliant article “Fight” to McConnel
    three times. l have faxed him to let him know that as a Kentuckian, I’m angry and not going to forget this and will do all I can to weaken his position.

    I was disappointed with Coburn folding. I don’t understand why he did it. Surely he knew it wouldn’t be a popular position with the RINOs? Why undertake it and then bail?

  • cari

    but I would think that the senate would not have been able to have a vote by Christmas eve. Then assuming Reid would let them, they’d be off to their districts where they would be getting earfuls by angry constituents.

    BTW, I’ve heard of only ONE senator/constituent confrontation so far since the vote on Michelle Malkin’s website. A constituent told Chris Dodd at the airport, “You’re not going to get re-elected.” Where are all the August style townhalls? Rallies? Protests? Maybe after the holidays….?

    From what I understand, the Repubs could have had the entire bill read everytime it was ammended! Had we done that, it could have gummed up the works until Easter!

    There were two strategies: make them vote quickly while they didn’t have the votes, or drag it out until public opinion slips further and further. I would have preferred to the latter, but it appears that McConnell didn’t employ either strategy.

  • http://www.the41stvote.org rcov092

    No more tax increases!
    No more government bailouts!
    No more government takeovers!
    No more destruction of Health Care!
    No more destruction of personal freedom!
    No more support for Marxist dictators!
    No more thuggery by EPA!
    No more tax increases based on falsified science!
    No More……………………………..(fill in the liberal or Marxist principle)

  • SteveLA

    Ace

    Except all you do is rant. I’ve really be amazed if you had a constructive suggestion, and no BURN.. BABY..BURN! is not a constructive suggestion.

  • suej

    http://smartgirlpolitics.ning.com/profiles/blogs/you-its-christmasdont-forget

  • michigan

    It seems as just pure sport with both sides, complementing tactic and method with no empathy for the Americans outside their privileged ranks; exempting themselves from what they create as law for the masses. What?s next, special tax laws for legislators? Probably if not already. McConnell comes from a recent string of wimpage the last being Senator Frist. Totally self serving, RINO fits Mitch to a tea. We need 99 more like Senator DeMint.

  • SteveLA

    vassar

    It seems that the point of view that people vote for something;Hope and Change, Free Beer, Nuke the Whales, whatever instead of just voting for someone who can is saying NO gets lost in the echo chamber here at RS. Right now, I don’t see a a whole heck of a lot of leadership or new ideas coming out of Mitch and the current crew of elected R’s, serving up mostly warmed over leftovers, from the pre Bush era, coming from the back of the Republican refrigerator.

    Tea Parties and the followers of the Deity are spun up and ready to fight, but right now there is no real leader putting concrete actions on the table to crystallize that anger, and no real reason to vote R for the better ideas, at least yet. In my view, to make his Obamaness you have to have something better on offer, and right now Mitch is not delivering.

  • AceInTX

    The Press will spend the next couple of weeks putting the idea in people’s minds that this is a done deal…and start the drum beat for the next item on the agenda…The Dems are playing ropa a dope with it now…Cap & Trade…and maybe immigration reform….We’ll all get fired up about it in a week or so and the HCR will pass in the dead of night without a conference without a peep from anyone…

    I hope I’m wrong about this but This is what I see coming in the Cloward and Piven model to overwhelm the opposition!

  • http://www.ssce.net/Web-Articles/Web-articles-indexed-authors.html#authors-l JLenardDetroit

    especially when any of the Questions relate to the ObamAgenda. We say NO because we are the Party in the KNOW — and we know SOCIALISM has been and will always be a Failure and while the rest of the World attempts to retreat back from it Progressives in this country still have the arrogance to think that it can, could, would, work here (or, just don’t give a darn if it does work as long as) as long as they are the Ruling Elite.

  • David123

    Many of the greatest Americans who ever lived went to a place called Bastogne … to be OBSTRUCTIONISTS!

    In the legislature, if some legislation is so flawed it should never see the light of day, that legislation should be OBSTRUCTED.

  • toughintn

    That could be one more explanation for McConnell’s utter disconnect from reality.

    bigredone, McConnell may not care, but hopefully Kentucky will.

  • itrytobenice

    And not polite. Ace has been active in his criticism and has been an active cheerleader when they have done the right thing.

  • suej

    http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=M5Y9X5ggxzA

  • http://www.the41stvote.org rcov092

    and also engage the states in the fight.

  • jdp

    Eric – I’m not sure I follow exactly what you are saying:

    >>all the GOP had to do was pick off one Democrat<>had the GOP promptly forced a vote, the bill would have failed because the Democrats did not have sixty votes<<

    Procedurally, how does a vote get forced? Is there no “manager’s amendment” then? Are you saying that, for instance, as soon as Lieberman made it known that he would vote against any bill with a “public option” in it, the 40 Republicans could have forced an immediate vote on the public option bill without any chance for the Dems to change it?

  • http://www.ssce.net/Web-Articles/Web-articles-indexed-authors.html#authors-l JLenardDetroit

    Cautious Optimism to keep people engaged and keeping up the pressure on all GOP members to finally actually DO WHATEVER IT TAKES (including obstructing anything/everything else) to get it killed!

    Again, someone needs to stand up each and every darn time any “CONSENT TO DISPENSE READING” is made and “OBJECT!” All we need is one brave Senator to rally behind like we did for Joe Wilson – they will NOT need the GOP leadership going forward as we will reward them for FINALLY standing up for us.

  • yosefattherock3

    I thought Cobrun was going to make them read the entire bill. Thank God for Jim Demint.

  • AceInTX
  • AceInTX
  • AceInTX

    You over generalize WAY too much

  • AceInTX
  • renny

    See Baucus on drugs (I hope) or in the throes of a seizure.

    http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=M5Y9X5ggxzA

    If you know anyone in Montana, for God’s sake send it on.

    Also, in NJ, we are petitioning the state to recall Sen. Menendez. Montanan should consider recalling Baucus here.

  • renny

    You can’t really beat up the Reps. when they all hung together, and to keep Snowe and Collins with them was surely no easy task.

    Find some cons. or cons. Reps. to run in your localities and states. Work for them. Support them and get people to vote for them.

    One reason we are in the fix we are in now is the cons. who refused to vote in 2008 to send “a message.” How is that message working how?

    In politics, you gotta be in it to win it, and you can’t sit out and sulk. To deny McCain we got Sotomayor (pro-abortion, racist, anti-2nd Amend, and appointed to for life), terror trials in NYC, two terror attacks in one year and the only ones domestically since 9/11, the highest debt and deficits ever in the history of the US, over 10% unemployment, crazies appointed unvetted czars of everything, and a possible DMV’ing of the entire medical community of the nation.

    So, don’t whine. Work.

  • http://dreamsfrommyforefathers.com RoguePolitics

    But it does no good if we don’t embrace the truth of our situation.
    Why has the left been so successful since the inauguration?
    They spent a hundred years laying the groundwork. Starting with TR and ending with Mitch.
    They’ve spent a hundred years getting leftists elected and appointed. They?ve built case law and regulations and legislative history and executive orders. It has apparently culminated in this last election.
    Why is it so hard to believe a movement that would dedicate so much time and energy to reach the goal would miss the obvious and not have control of the ?opposition?? McConnell never has to vote or do anything overt on behalf of the left all he has to do is sit this one out. Take a dive. Which he dutifully did.
    As Sherlock Holmes would say, ?When you have eliminated the impossible, whatever remains, however improbable, must be the truth.? These people are purposefully posing as Republicans when their true intent is to advance the liberal agenda. It may seem improbable but LOOK at their results!!!

    We ARE a bunch of Rubes. We continually allow these people to undermine or outright betray the country time after time in the clutch moments. Guess what, sleepers are SUPPOSED to look like us as much as possible while doing the enemies work. Yet half of those on the right defend these guys and block every attempt to purge this disease. Oh no, we can?t have standards. Or accountability. We?re a big tent.
    As has been observed the third party route is a dead-end but the sentiment behind it is not. If we place our bets on today’s Republican Party, as constituted; we are going to lose. Or we can make the Republican Party BE the third party the country is crying for. If we can do away with the shape shifters and changelings that have undermined and denied every principle and value this nation was built on.
    For one hundred years we have lost battle after battle to these people because we have failed to treat this like it is a war for survival. We continually give up ground that once surrendered is never recovered. We are afraid of appearing too zealous or suspicious. We have allowed ourselves to live in fear of being labeled racist or homophobe or rightwing extremist or whatever and then they label us anyway. We buy into a silly notion that somehow in the end we will win no matter how foolish or misguided our actions. We repeat ad nauseam silly platitudes about how elections have consequences yet act as if they don?t.
    They treat this like it is a war and because of this attitude they are winning the war.
    If our actions don?t change our future is a fine or jail time because we haven?t health insurance;
    Starving because we haven?t a carbon credit to buy a Big Mac;
    A ride on a cattle car because we are a drain on society.

  • proudmarinemom

    is a possibility.

    My better half is from the Great State of Montana and we have many relatives there. The most hospitable, kind, tough, smart, self-reliant people in America. You won’t find many in that great state asking for a hand-out.

    Watch what happens.

  • NeoKong

    We need them to be obstructionists. I would rather see Congress locked in limbo for the next three years than for these Democrats to get their way.

  • gremlin1974

    He would have been removed from the cocktail party list….and we just can’t have that!

  • clowngirl

    Mitch McConnell needs to explain himself and not be having conservative leaders feeling betrayed. I don’t know what he hasn’t taken Erick into his confidence all along. There shouldn’t be this disconnect and alienation between conservatives and the people who are supposed to represent them.

    That is presuming that Mr, Erickson would be willing to take the call.

    I’m inclined to agree with the argument that Mitch McConnell is a weak leader/too mealy mouthed/should be replaced by Demint, etc. to a point,

    However: I’m not convinced by the argument that it was McConnell’s leadership that allowed the Democrats to finally get to 60 votes. It didn’t sound as though the amendments being proposed made any real difference to the passing of the bill – as that came as a result of a couple of backroom deals which presumably would’ve been going on even if the bill was being read.

    And I am inclined to have a different take on this ABC interview. Possibly McConnell’s take on “using every procedure” possible meant that they read one bill at one time – that checked off that procedure — at any rate, as I said, i think he needs to have an off the record discussion with Erick and explain WHAT WAS HE THINKING? but I suspect that with regard to the ABC interview – his thinking was that he only had a couple of minutes on National television & wanted to make sure he got in his soundbites about Obamacare being a disaster and wanted the focus to be on Obamacare being a disaster and not on disagreements he has with other Republican leaders.

    Secondly – maybe this is a sign that Republicans will be in full obstruction mode if the piece of trash makes it back to the Senate.

  • Achance

    The body can refuse to seat them or they can be impeached but once they are elected, they sit and are beyond the reach of State recall procedures.

  • http://andrightlyso.com/ civil_truth

    Once the 60 Democrats have voted yes, no single one can reverse and vote no – too much peer pressure to find some way to put lipstick on the pig to justify another yes vote. Only a mass defection would stop the bill now in the Senate, and Reid and Pelosi are working hard to make sure that doesn’t happen by fudging the language to prevent a deal-breaker.

    This is why failing to delay past the Christmas break was a fatal error – the vote got registered before the legislators went home to listen to their constituents.

    Instead, all their energy is focused on defending their vote rather than listening with an open mind.

    The House is more promising because votes are less solid and they’re all facing reelections – unless the closeness of the first round was strictly window-dressing.

    The outcome is going to be the worse of possible bills that will enshrine big money and hack off the left and the right while Congresspersons rake in the money from lobbyists to fend off challengers in the next election. An irrational program that will cause partisan strife for decades to come unless we become a one-party nation.

  • Mayhem

    I am sorry, but there is no excuse for them sitting this one out. I too loathe McConnell’s leadership, but they are both legitimate members of the Senate and they could have objected anyway.

    The healthcare bill was the battle of all battles. This vote was for all the marbles. Either our country survived or it didn’t. To let the whims of one Senate minority leader at one time in history combat their instincts to delay and object is an abject failure on their part.

    Again, this was the greatest battle for freedom that any of us will ever witness, and Coburn and DeMint sat it out. If McConnell told them to shut it, they should have said it right back and kept the bigger picture in mind. All we needed was one patriot in the Senate to stand up and “take the heat” for this and future generations.

    No one did.

  • suej

    What was the power squeeze that shut him down?

  • bigredone

    In the final tally, didn’t Coburn vote YES on TARP?

    Check the yeas and nays.

  • suej

    ON!!

    Boo Yah!

  • Scope

    objected to the conferees with McConnell’s “blessing.” Can you provide some links? I have some serious questions as to Dan saying anything like that, in fact I would bet he didn’t. McConnell is the leader of the Republicans in the senate, he would be a coward if he depended on “others” to “do his dirty work” as you say. Proof positive that he has no leadership abilities. When the leader of the Republican party in the Senate does not do all he can, and everything he can, why would you say that he doesn’t need replacing? The Republicans don’t need a “friendly face in the Senate” they need a fighter who will go to bat, both for the Republicans and the wishes of the American people.

    We will see soon, just how many cw619′s are going to show up. I think the guy was so PO’d, he’s going to bring in every warrior, for his cause that he can. He declared war on Erick. Erick did not declare war on him.

  • Scope

    objected to the conferees with McConnell’s “blessing.” Can you provide some links? I have some serious questions as to Dan saying anything like that, in fact I would bet he didn’t. McConnell is the leader of the Republicans in the senate, he would be a coward if he depended on “others” to “do his dirty work” as you say. Proof positive that he has no leadership abilities. When the leader of the Republican party in the Senate does not do all he can, and everything he can, why would you say that he doesn’t need replacing? The Republicans don’t need a “friendly face in the Senate” they need a fighter who will go to bat, both for the Republicans and the wishes of the American people.

    We will see soon, just how many cw619′s are going to show up. I think the guy was so PO’d, he’s going to bring in every warrior, for his cause that he can. He declared war on Erick. Erick did not declare war on him.

  • archer52

    The “Peter Principle” was and is the key as to how so many incompetent people gain position and power. Often, it isn’t their fault directly. They may be sincere people with limited skills. In my business, police work, we were always bombarded with this as really good police officers were promoted to decent sergeants who were promoted to fair lieutenants who in turn were promoted to sorry Captains and that were they stayed for their career, screwing stuff up.

    Of course then there is the group of people who are limited in skill, if they have any at all, but know somebody who knows somebody, or they are great butt kissers. In McConnell’s case, he is the wrong man in the wrong place at the wrong time. He may be very qualified to understand the system but lacks the meanness to game it the way the left does. Nice guy in the middle of a street fight. He needs to step aside quietly on his own and let less gentle gentlemen step in. There is a time to shake hands and then there is a time to punch people in the nose.

    It’s time to break a few.

  • Scope

    Please reply.

  • tennreps

    What does Orin Hatch think when he makes a statement like this? I could not believe it.

    Also, McConnel was either resolved to health care passing or he wanted it to pass. Could he be benefitting from the passage of this legislation? Not fighting can be viewed as wanting the outcome that appears inevitable.

  • http://www.ssce.net/Web-Articles/Web-articles-indexed-authors.html#authors-l JLenardDetroit

    in so far as to parts of Obamaocare and pieces that can, may, will, be challenged in the Courts as a method to Kill It — after the fact. Those people, IMO, are so wrong-headed and misguided if they think it can be challenged in that matter (not that it shouldn’t be, if it remains our LAST RESORT) but fails to consider the following….

    1. Liberal Judicial Activism, first and foremost and obviously
    2. Even if challenging the ME Medicaide Bribe under the 14th as discussed by SC AG’s — LIBERALS DON’T/WON’T CARE if that gets tossed as they’ll be happy to throw any of the Bribes and their takers under the Bus as long as the main parts (Govt. explosive expansion, increased (not) decreased HC/Insurance costs which will give them excuse to claim the need to again push Single Payer, etc) will remain IN TACT!
    3. Personal Mandate to purchase coverage — again, if over-turned — they don’t/won’t care for the same reasons in #2.

    They will ensure that all the Worst of the Worst parts of the Legislation remains intact by hook or crook with the protection/cooperation of most Liberal Activist Federal Judges they’ve worked to put into place over the last Century.

    Anything and Everything (related below) to get a large chunk of their agenda in these regards through was/is expendable as long as it provides Liberal Incremental-ism.
    +Mammography scandal – Mammography scandal – Obamaocare will kill women RATIONING and Effective Equivalence (more) of Death Panels!
    +Triggers scams – Public Option Trigger – will be attached to fully loaded gun
    +Stupak sham – how the Stupid (er.. Stupak) Amendment was all a sham vote and Forest for the Trees
    +Hyde – setup backdoor challenge to Hyde (Abortion funding restrictions)
    +Medi-Adv – Dem’s target Semi-Privatizede Medicare plans (Medi-Advantage and Medi-Gap Coverage) for elimination
    +Public Option / Medicare-E – sole focus on Public Option is a mistake that sets up Lib’s for another Liberal Incremental-ism step to complete HC Takeover
    +Illegals exclusion – don’t fall for the “Illegals Excluded” half-truth (details here)
    +DieQuickly – Dems: ‘Rep plan: Die Quickly’ – counter to “Death Panels” – EPIC O-FAIL again — baseless Welfare Reform attacks repeat
    +Tacks – No HC Taxes, it rolls on
    +No Tort Reform – Moe Lane’s Diary: Dean admits why there is No Tort Reform in ANY HC legislation
    +“Senator Aricept” (John McCain)McCain HC Townhall details, another sell-out pre-declared! (with more comments 306-7+ here and here w/ limited Video)
    +McCainiac NO REAL CHALLENGES Senate debate on HR3590 (Reid) – HR3590 Amendments fiasco plus McLame with Republican Amendment and here
    +Harry/Louise – Harry & Louise want you to pay for their Head examinations?
    +Clunker portends – Cash4Clunkers portends the HC fiasco in so many ways… Basic math!!
    +Free icecream – ObaMaoCare: The Free Ice-cream analogy
    +DC plans drive up costs – DC HC compromises will cost you MORE not less
    +ultimate HC Q: – The ultimate HR3200 Q: Will Fetus’ about to be Aborted qualify for End Of Life counseling, or is that reserved only for Seniors about to be effectively Euthanized by/from Rationing?!?!
    +Obamaocare primers: here, here, here, here, here, and HC issues summary here

    PLUS — Obama said today — “We will continue to use every element of our National Power to DISRUPT, to DISMANTEL, and to DEFEAT, the extremists that threaten us….” though he said it about Terrorists (in regard to Domestic Obamunists) … I COULD NOT AGREE MORE THAT REPUBLICANS SHOULD TAKE THAT ADVICE IN DEFEATING THE OBAMUNISTS EXTREMIST AGENDA here at home!!!

  • http://www.ssce.net/Web-Articles/Web-articles-indexed-authors.html#authors-l JLenardDetroit

    Though OBAMA said it about Terrorists ? I COULD NOT AGREE MORE THAT REPUBLICANS SHOULD TAKE THAT ADVICE IN DEFEATING THE OBAMUNISTS EXTREMIST AGENDA here at home and that should be the language they (GOP Leadership) should be using in the/this Fight!!!

  • clowngirl

    I was reading an article on Bart Stupak over on LifeNews,com and Deal Hudson, in the context of urging Stupak to hold firm – mentioned that the Stupak Amendment received 64 Democrat votes but only actually added 10 votes to the passing the legislation.

    That’s very suggestive. If Nancy Pelosi was willing to allow the Stupak amendment for just 10 votes – it would seem to indicate that most of the 39 “Nays” were genuine. She wouldn’t bypass the chance to hugely expand abortion unless she didn’t have the votes otherwise,

    LifeNews sounds optimistic on the prospect of Stupak holding his ground, Stever Ertelt pointed out that he rejected the opportunity to take cover from the Catholic Medical Association which surprisingly endorsed the Senate bill with the “compromise” on abortion,

    I was encouraged that he came out right away rejected the compromise agreement and outing the White House on pressuring him.And he said the same languaged absolutely had to be in the bill. Will see if he (and the other 9) stick to it.

  • hickorystick

    DeMint and Coburn are part of the solution. I don’t know why they didn’t do more on the Senate floor, but they have been out front fighting the ideological battle effectively. McConnel needs to answer for his leadership. Conservatives need to get on McConnel to answer questions about his failure. We need to pressure leadership to reveal where they are going. It’s going to take some time, but be patient. And don’t start throwing rocks at the good guys.

  • Return to Revolution

    Based on this post and the very little I know about the legislative process, I have some questions if anyone is willing/able to indulge.

    First, how can the GOP force a vote (per 2nd point, last section)? Seems like that would have been the easiest way to defeat it, and the GOP couldn’t really be accused of “obstruction” if that is what McConnell is so worried about.

    Also, some delay tactics, such as the forced readings, were already tried with Sanders amendment and the Democrats just ignored the rules. Would it be reasonable to assume that even if McConnell had tried every tactic in the book that they would have continued ignoring the rules? Thats not a defense of McConnell, just trying to get a feel for how bad this really is.

    Are these tactics seldom used by either side? Is McConnell worried that if we use them now, the dems will use them on every last thing the GOP tries to do in the future? If so, that really shows his elitism: better (in his mind) to fundamentally transform the country in exchange for the ability to pass future legislation easier. Never mind that HC will not just change the country, but politics as well – there will never again be talk of limited government, only who can run the permanent, massive government better (a direction the RINOs are already hellbent on taking).

  • Dan Perrin

    DeMint objected very early in the process, and McConnell, instead of fighting with DeMint about the objection, up held DeMint’s objection by objecting, if you know what I mean

  • toughintn

    Yes, DeMint and Coburn should have gone to the mat.
    But no, they do not deserve the same degree of thrashing McConnell does.

    McConnell’s job is to lead the charge, and he has instead followed the Democrat cavalry, believing he is only good enough to clean up behind their horses.

    DeMint and Coburn have at least engaged in debate over specific salient issues in the fight.

  • jamatta

    Those who have fought and put their lives on the line for our freedoms deserve to hold office. At this time, we need disciplined, selfless and loyal patriots who will have the best interests of the Country in mind – not their own pockets.
    Of course, not all will be able to put up with the nonsense necessary to campaign – but we pray that there will be many honest and upright men and women who will continue to serve our people as representatives for Congress or the Senate.

  • Highmaintfmale

    I have spent the last two years fighting for the American way of life as a Republican, for the constitution and all that is contained within it. At times that fight has been frustrating at best, currently however it is downright infuriating because I am not seeing my Republican elected officials fighting with the same gusto and certainty as “We the people” are.

    Over the past several months I’ve watched and seen the same lack of interest, lack of FIGHT in our Republican senators and congressional representatives that we all observed in John McCain during the presidential election.

    I cannot comprehend what the rational could be for taking this “who cares” way of thinking and lack of fire might be.

    During the national election the American people, more specifically the American Conservatives and Republican people, begged and pleaded for McCain to FIGHT, to show some intestinal fortitude, to stand up and truly fight for the American way and the office of President of the United States of America, instead he refused, that refusal cost him the national election.

    Apparently the lesson was wasted on the parties elected officials because they continue to flatly refuse to fight for their people.
    I understand the Republican Party is one based upon logic and fact, is known to be more refined, polite, and takes the position in which they consider themselves to be “above” getting down and dirty, or standing up for themselves (or anyone else apparently) but that time is gone, and if we as the American people have no one fighting for us, or fighting for what’s right, or for what we want, it will lead to nationalized healthcare, cap and trade, and ridicules ponzi schemes in which we all end up in a socialistic society with all of our freedoms ignored or gone.

    Why will no one fight for us? Why are our elected officials ignoring those who put them into office? Why are they turning off their fax machines , and shutting down the switchboards to congress and our senate because they don’t want to hear from us? Why are we being banned from the halls of our nation’s capital? Why are our elected officials refusing to meet with us? Why is no one fighting for us?
    Why is it that when we see our leaders on national news programs they are spewing nothing but touchy feely fluff rather than the outrage and anger we are all feeling at the prospect of our rights and freedoms being stolen from us without regard to the fact that we and our forefathers have fought, shed blood and died for them?

    During the recent Healthcare bill debate, I watched in complete disbelief unable to fathom why Republican senators sat back and allowed Democratic Senators to spew forth lie after lie after lie, submitting amendments in which hundreds of billions of tax payer dollars were used (and counted) twice to fluff up their numbers for the CBO’s office and when it was discovered, why this HUGE issue was given nothing more than a passing mention by our side.

    This issue should have been shouted from the roof tops, every single Republican should be banging their drums and shouting it in every possible venue, including Michael Steele and our elected officials, and yet, we hear nothing more than the very meekest of squeaks regarding it from any of them.

    If not now when? If not them WHO will stand and fight? Who will draw the line and stand with the American people, and for us?

    Leaders are put in place to lead, to show others the way to proceed, so far I don’t see anyone leading especially within the upper levels of the Republican Party, and if those currently in those positions don’t have the desire or tenacity to lead and fight, they need to get the hell out of the way and allow those who will to step forward.

    I like Michael Steele, I was thrilled when he won the Chair because it was my sense he could bring the fire that is needed back to the party, I felt strongly that he was the perfect choice to lead us in a new and effective direction free from the elite mentality so damaging and prevalent within our party today.

    But so far I’ve been disappointed because despite the bold speeches and the cutting edge strong ideas mentioned within them, I’ve seen, and more importantly the rest of the Conservative right has seen none of it happening or even heard of anything new planned for the near future, and in case those leading (or pretending to lead) the Republican Party aren’t aware of it, the same old way of doing things JUST AREN’T WORKING ANYMORE AND NEITHER IS THE TOUCHY FEELY WAY OF HANDLEING THINGS IN BOTH CONGRESS AND THE SENATE.

    Now I realize old habits die hard, I know just how slow the wheels within the party turn because my husband and I have been fighting those very same mentalities and old ways of doing things right here within our county party. Much like so many others, we stepped in because we saw major problems in the way things were being handled and done, and weren’t being handled and done. We knew there was a better way. We became involved and we put our time, our energy and even our own money where our mouth was and began implementing the change we wanted to see.

    Sometimes it’s thankless, and other times it’s discouraging, we’ve felt the sting of “elitism” and suffered the setbacks it has the ability to deliver with just a passing swipe, but still we’ve pushed forward and refused to give up or give in, we have continued to fight and gain ground, and others will too but our “leadership” has to choose a direction and go with it because the only way we lose is by standing still or turning in circles never progressing in any direction at all.

    We need a leaders, direction and someone willing and ready to stand for and with us, if not them who? If not now, WHEN?

  • AceInTX

    Rather than fight it…they passed CFR expecting the courts to overturn it…when the Courts refused to overturn it…you’d think they’d have learned their lesson. But they never do!

    I’ll add they’ve never even made an attempt to overturn CFR and I wouldn’t expect them to go back and repeal Obamacare

  • Finrod

    Senators and Representatives can’t be impeached, only members of the Executive and Judicial branches can be impeached. It takes a majority of the House to impeach, a two-thirds majority of the Senate to convict on impeachment.

    Either the Senate or the House can expel one of their members with a two-thirds vote, however.

  • Dan Perrin

    after the Dems amend the Senate bill, if they pass it on the Senate floor, because of the objection to the appointment of the conferees, we get another bite at the apple.

    Then McConnell can have a mulligan — and we will see if he will use all the weapons at his disposal, or whether he will disarm himself, again.

  • Dan Perrin

    after the Dems amend the Senate bill, if they pass it on the House floor, because of the objection to the appointment of the conferees, we get another bite at the apple when it has to come back to the Senate and must be subject to a 60 vote motion to proceed and a 60 vote cloture vote. If they change is on the issues of abortion or the public option we get another shot to get one of the Dems.

    Then McConnell can have a mulligan ? and we will see if he will use all the weapons at his disposal, or whether he will disarm himself, again.

  • RedBeard

    Veterans are a great pool of patriotic Americans, and we need more vets in Congress.

    But we can’t be blinded to the fact that some of our worst members of Congress are also vets. Look at the likes of such disreputable souls as John Kerry, Jack Murtha. Harry Reid, Charlie Rangel, Pete Stark, John Conyers, etc.

    Military service is absolutely a plus on a congressional resume, but it can’t be the only reason to vote for someone.

  • http://vbushmills.blogtownhall.com/ vassar

    …you just echoed my sentiments…

    or did I yours?

  • Marcus_Traianus

    Even though Bennett is McConnell’s counsel, he is a staunch conservative and could make an excellent leader- given the chance.

    The fact he has been close to Mitch in my opinion is a positive- since he will hopefully learn from his grotesque mistakes. If he can articulate and legislatively maneuver positions which replicate his voting record, Bennett would be a great choice.

  • scubadiver49er

    Sounds like the latter. Let’s everyone sing along and be happy, yada, yada, yada………………. BULLCRAP!!!!! If he’s putting the kaibosh on fighting this thing, he’s gotta go!!!! Gimme DeMint & Coburn, & turn ‘em loose!!!!!!!!!

  • sharonmcp

    We need leaders with the savvy of a Jim DeMint, the intestinal fortitude of a Dick Cheney, and the audacity of an Alan Grayson.

  • momofthecastle

    it takes time to change things. Unfortunately, Americans nowadays have short memories. Will they remember, when McConnell is up for re-election, his poor leadership on this issue? What other issues will have been up by then?
    Still, times are a-changin’. We conservatives have long memories, if no one else does.

  • momofthecastle

    was shot down by the Republican leadership, as well. He definitely objects to this, but, as was noted, made it known that the leadership requested he stop objecting. I supposed he and others could have objected to the leadership’s objections, or objected anyway, but there is a wisdom that says you can’t fight everything at once. Tom Coburn has nothing to be sorry for, I say.

  • olsmithie

    Spot on, Ace.

    McConnell is part of the reason Repubs are in the minority.

    Keep following his misdirection and minority we will remain.
    I can’t decide if he is spineless or just dumb, err… I mean misdirected.

    Even my kids know that if you keep doing what you are doing ,you will keep getting what you got.
    Why can’t our brianiacs in congress figure it out??

    (Remember the definition of insanity. Wish McC would.)

    Regards

  • mbecker908
  • Achance

    But the fact remains that expulsion is a matter for the body, not the electorate.

  • Mayhem

    are my two favorite senators. But they dropped the ball on this one. Big time. They are perhaps the only two in the whole Senate who “get” what we are talking about on this issue. That they knew the stakes and still let McConnell shush them is very depressing. It seems to me that this was one of those “for the greater good” moments. Their instincts should have trumped McConnell’s edicts.

  • Marcus_Traianus
  • mbecker908

    some random input stuck in my head.

    It’s my understanding that Bennett offered up what could arguably be described as a Trojan Horse “bipartisan” health care proposal in conjunction with one of the more liberal Ds whose name escapes me. My impression – and I’ve done absolutely no research on it beyond reading a couple of comments here – is that it would be a great vehicle for giving the Ds their nose under the tent.

    I also understand that Bennett is going to get primaried and probably get beaten in UT next year because he’s about as unreliable as McCain.

    I want to reinforce the fact that I don’t follow Bennett, my only contact with him has been tangential to other issues of interest and the above two paragraphs pretty much summarize everything I “know” about him, whether it’s true or not.

    I’d be happy to be enlightened if I’m wrong. And come hell or high water he wouldn’t be any worse than McConnell anyway.

  • jetman

    SteveLA said:
    Tea Parties and the followers of the Deity are spun up and ready to fight, but right now there is no real leader putting concrete actions on the table to crystallize that anger, and no real reason to vote R for the better ideas, at least yet.

    I say let’s all push more TEA and less R(obots), starting in FLA.

    Jetman

  • http://www.hakubi.us/ Neil Stevens
  • jetman

    I agree with renny: If we spend our time ranting (with good cause) but nothing else, it won’t change anything. Only working for the changes we need will do that. I am personally going to support TEA party-endorsed candidates anywhere in the USA, even tho I’m stuck with an ultra-lib congressperson in N.VA. myself (he’s got a very safe district). My money is available for any such candidate. How about you-all?

  • BlackConservative

    Remember that the average GOP voter, much like the average voter in general is not like us. A lot of it is name recognition, and with the party spending millions to force liberals down our throats, they seem intent on making NY23 the rule, rater than the exception. How long should we sit around and let the McCain wing take over the party? Third party may be extreme, but the party needs to know that if we get more Dedes, more Fiornas and more Crist’s they are going to pay dearly in the general.

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  • SteveLA

    jetman

    I’m not of the opinion that Tea Party folks and followers of the Deity are mutually exclusive of the R party, far from it. I am pointing out that the SIVV and the fiscal conservative types who make up Tea Pary groups and followers of the Deity may not be natural allies. I tend to view the Tea Party folks mainly and to a lessor degree the followers of the Deity anger a response to Washington types doing business as usual and more interested in fiscal matters than social issues. Going even further, I’d claim that the Tea Party folks are expressing anger directed at Washington beltway types going back to when Republicans were spending like drunken sailors, Democrats have managed to surpass even the ability of Republicans to spend, but that’s just more fuel for the Tea Party fires.

    So who is the “voice” of those folks, nobody right now is my conclusion, and I don’t see who is going to claim that leadership….hint it’s not going to be some Ross P. third party clown.

  • mbecker908

    and I apologize for referring to you as BR in the “Vlad” post…

    1. Third parties elect the guy you most want to see defeated. See Poirot and Nader for two recent examples.

    2. The “McCain Wing” took over the party in 2008. We have to take it back.

    3. The only solution is to get active, become a precinct committeeman, and work in the primary.

    Dede is an outlier. The real problem in that race was that there was no primary so Hoffman ran a third party race in a legitimate third party. Most states don’t have legit third parties, at least for conservative candidates.

    With respect to Crist, looks like he’s imploding and the NRSC can wipe their chin in embarrassment on that one. Remains to be seen what will happen with Fioria. Frankly, right now I’m more concerned about Scott Brown.

  • mbecker908

    The Stupid Party.

    A “conservative” third party would be more like “The Really Really Stupid Party”.

  • BlackConservative

    It is the message a la NY 23 that we are not going to stand for anymore liberal candidates floating an R after their name. The question as posed by our own Erick Erickson, is the fact that sometimes, it is better to let the Democrat win than let our label be clouded by liberalism. A purity test? you betcha. It’s past time to stop being the all things to all people party and start being a party with principles.

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  • SteveLA

    mbecker

    Respectfully, there is no such thing as the “McCain” wing of the Republican party.

    There is a long tradition in the Republican party of nominating the next old guy in line, Mean Bob Dole comes to mind, and McCain was the next old guy in line. The only other old guy that was in line for the nomination was Fred, and for many reasons that have been hashed to death here on RS, Fred never caught fire.

    If there are such a thing as “Wings” in the republican party, they pretty much align along the three major legs of the traditional R stool; Fiscal, social conservative and strong military/robust foreign policy. I’d point out that President Bush was strong on two of the three legs, and hopeless on the fiscal matters and domestic policy side of governance, where Reagan was strong on the fiscal and military/foreign policy legs. McCain was hopeless on the fiscal leg, all over the map on the military/foreign and social conservatives never trusted him.

    The election of 10, and probably 12 will turn on fiscal matters, the public wanting responsible adults running the bank once again, not the granola eating Chicago mob. VA and NJ just turned on fiscal matters, and not towards more nonsense from Democrats.

    To make Obama a one term President, a real three leg nominee is going to have to rise to the top, right now I don’t know who that is. I will qualify that with one caveat; if this country is hit again by a terrorist action, all bets will be off and only a strong leader who can effectively give a sense of security to the American people need apply.

  • BlackConservative

    I know how much you love him ;-)

  • mbecker908

    And since I’m on record for a looooong time on the idea that McCain is not a “Republican” he’s a “McCain” I would absolutely agree.

    I was responding specifically to BCs comment above.

  • SteveLA

    B_C

    Hucka Hucka is not that guy. He’s at best a one leg of the R stool sort of politician with no military/foreign policy bones, and a questionable at best record on fiscal matters.

    But Hucka Hucka is running again and will do well again with some folks.

  • SteveLA

    mbecker

    My crystal ball says “Rudy” if there is a terrorist attack on the US between now and the 2012 election. SIVV voters will not be happy.

  • BlackConservative

    He had an easy seat for NY Senate. He was winning by 12 points over Gillibrand. I think that Rudy is enjoying being Rudy. Althought I do not think that he is quite the bane of SoCons others think he is. His list of judges is impressive, and he is far more likely to care about us than McCain ever was. I am socially conservative, and would vote Rudy even if he is not my first choice. I love him as a street fighter. And Hucka Hucka’s DOA-Sarah! will bury him among his own base.

  • SteveLA

    B_C

    There’s a conditional trigger that will cause Rudy to run, and win the R nomination and the Presidency effecting my crystal ball.

    If the United States suffers a new terrorist attack. Nothing else but assuring people that their government will do everything possible to punish and stop any more attacks will matter.

  • http://www.hakubi.us/ Neil Stevens

    He’d suffer horribly when the right to lifers stayed home.

  • SteveLA

    Neil

    In the very special case of post another terrorist attack on the US, you’d be wrong. For every SIVV Right to Lifer that Rudy lost, I assume in the General, he’d pick up two D’s who were concerned with their own personal safety. In the R primary, I can’t see anyone who could touch the 9/11 Mayor of NY City on the subject of how to deal with terrorism and dealing with national security will trump all other concerns.

    This is all silly speculation on my part, and no matter what anyone thinks of his Obamness, I hope the government professionals are still standing watch which means we will never find out.

  • Lycurgus

    It’s odd to me that even when faced with a situation in which strength of “principle” would be politically inexpensive, Senator McConnell refuses to enunciate a clear, cognent argument for medical freedom in this country. All he can stomach is to repeat polling data about how opposed the American people are to this bill.

    Why not make a lucid and brief statement to the affect that:

    “Many countries, in many historical periods, have adopted the public option for various sectors of the domestic economy. In all of them, those planning honestly thought they were acting to improve the lot of the people. They adopted a system where private ownership of the means of production in an industry remained in private hands, but where direction of those means of production was transferred to the government. They said this was done in order to save the people from price gougers, greedy capitalists, and the like. They left title in private hands, and directed how that capital could be used. This is called the “third way”, and it is the “compromise” now being urged upon my collegues across the isle in the Senate. This way sounds good, it provides a safety net for those who are down on their luck, or who have chronic illnesses, but its true nature and result will massively damage the pocketbook of the United States government, and those of the taxpayers.

    This “third way” cannot possibly suceed. You see, in a market, consumers bid against one another for scarce resources. WalMart sells potatoes at the price consumers bid potatoes to cost, it doesn’t requre the setting of potato prices by a potato board in Washington! In health care as well, consumers, patients, bid against one another for medical services.

    Today, the Democratic majority tells us that their plan will increase competition in health care. Were that true I would be the first to support it! In fact, the plan submitted to Congress substitutes government allocation of resources for the free choices of consumers. This is the crux of the argument, either consumers vote, bidding scarce resources to their most highly valued end, or a central planner must necessarily choose, according to his own will, where those scarce resources should be best valued. This is what there must be, free choice or central control.

    The people of Kentucky and of the country have a visceral understanding that this bill will decrease their freedom to choose how to live their lives and which physician from which to seek medical care. I was elected to defend the Constitution of the United States and all it represents, the continued freedom of the American people.

    We must not fail to protect it today!

    Thank you”

    Why not this press release Senator?

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  • bassethound

    but I remember how the 1994 revolution got neutralized in just two years, when the GOP told the conservatives “thanks for getting us elected, now sit down and shut up”. They began making overtures to the “moderates” they offended, and we had to accept Dull Bob Dole as our nominee.

  • http://andrightlyso.com/ civil_truth

    You’re correct that procedurally there is still the 60 vote threshold and the ability to amend if the House makes any changes.

    What I was arguing was that the mindset of the Democrats is totally different at this time. Now that they’ve agreed with some form of the bill, it will be very difficult to change their vote. They’ve already found a price they can agree with, so now it’s haggling over details – it’s going to be hard to find something of a deal-breaking nature they can’t accept now – and sell it to their colleagues.

    We already see that these folks are defending their vote to their constitutents rather than listening to them – trying to fudge and obfuscate.

    Had the Republicans delayed the vote past the Christmas recess, the swing Senators would have been able to listen and have reasons to vote against.

    But now, having voted, it’s the path of less resistance to defend rather than to lose face by reversing – unless they hear overwhelming objections, which so far hasn’t happened.

    The only hope is if enough influential health care parties after reading through the whole legislation have a change of heart and decide to do a last minute blitz. But so far there doesn’t seem to be more than discontent and perhaps some behind the scenes manuvering, but none of the major supporters have publically changed sides that I’m aware of.

    That doesn’t mean we don’t keep protesting and resisting, but letting the vote happen before the recess was a horrendous and probably irretreivable mistake.

    And I think we have a better chance in the House if the number of genuine no votes was reasonably close the the actual vote. Their pills are much more bitter to swallow.

    What is guaranteed is that health care will be the source of bitter partisan wrangling for years, regardless of the outcome of this bill. Rational policy is out the window – and that’s the worst of the consequences of the decision that the Democratic leadership made to shut out the Republicans and go it alone.

  • grace123

    Look up Lt Col Allen West from Florida District 22 running for U S House…..a real leader

  • grace123

    That is how I see it too. I see the Republicans just caving.

  • grace123

    This guy is a real winner. Running for the House in Florida

  • edwlstr

    Sometimes audacity makes very bad judgements, like, when you have the audacity to state that uninsurance is a cause of death and your assumptions are based on a coorelation study. Statistically, correlation does not prove causation. When you presume to be the “peoples representative” you should vote the “people’s will”, since it is proven by numerous polls that the people do not WANT National Health Insurance or reform at this point, why is Grayson pushing it? Guess he’s like a lot of elitists in both parties who know what’s best for us. If they believe in representative self-government and are adhering to the principles of it, why are the majority of Americans dissatisfied with their performance? I would rather opt for a representative who is submissive to the will of his constituents than an audacious rebel.

  • JadedByPolitics

    given him plenty of my money and think he is the ULTIMATE in Conservatism!

  • Marcus_Traianus

    His polling and popularity in Utah does not look promising;
    http://www.deseretnews.com/article/705348498/Utahns-growing-tired-of-Bennett.html?pg=1

    And he was working with Wyden (D) on the following healthcare plan;
    http://cboblog.cbo.gov/?p=91

    The polling seems to have much to do with both the healthcare plan and the fact folks in Utah don’t feel he is conservative enough.

  • sharonmcp

    “I would rather opt for a representative who is submissive to the will of his constituents than an audacious rebel.”

    I agree, that’s why I stated that we need leaders with a combination of DeMint, Cheney and Alan Grayson.

    Yes Grayson is a nut-case and what he says is wrong, but wrong or not, he at least has the chutzpah to speak what he believes to be true – and he gets heard because of it.

    As several others here have already pointed out, the meekness of McConnell is not getting the job done, IMHO, it is time for another tactic.

    As a mother of 6, I can attest to the fact that the most boisterous child always received the most attention, both positive and negative.