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Health Care Suicide Bombers: Instead of 72 Virgins, They Get Ambassadorships

By: Erick Erickson (Diary)  |  January 6th, 2010 at 11:34 AM  | 

RESIZE: AAA

Byron Dorgan and Chris Dodd have blown up a barrel full of socialism, potentially spreading it’s toxic mix all over the country, lowering mortality rates, driving up health care costs, and giving the nation a health care bill no one is happy with.

Now they will quit.

The Republicans need to take note of this because we are, in fact, beginning to see something new from the Democrats. As I and others have written about before, the Democrats recognize there is no longer such a thing as a permanent political majority. Instead, the Democrats can effect a permanent policy shift in the country and are willing to take the hits to do it.

The ramifications of this are huge. Dodd and Dorgan, powerful senators, are taking bullets for the team. They are voting to pass health care deform, knowing that doing so will cause their defeat. So to save face and be martyred, they’ll take themselves out instead of having the voters do it. Obama will reward them not with 72 virgins, but with cushy appointments.

From here on out, I think the Democrats realize they are headed back to the minority. It may take 2012 to make it happen, but with that knowledge, they are going to go all out advancing their radical socialist agenda gambling that the GOP, back in power, will not have the guts or veto proof majorities to roll any of it back.

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  • Mayhem

    then Mitch McConnell had better get a freaking clue pretty darned quick.

  • http://www.dcworksforus.com Kenny Solomon

    You know that I’m the Senior Expediter for The 72 Virgins Club Travel Agency. Is this a hint for the corporation to expand, creating a new business division ?

    I can only handle so much in a day – Multi-tasking is fine, but I have a distinct feeling that there’s more piece of garbage corrupocrats around than there are peace-lovers hell-bent on our destruction.

    I’m just sayin’…….

    ;)

    Cheers !

  • Achance

    I think that they fully intend to never have another fair election or peaceful transition again and the odds and circumstances are in their favor. If they can pass health care “reform” they can pass anything and get away with anything. Card check will socialize and nationalize the workforce and neuter business opposition other than a kulak class of small to medium businesses that will just be starved out. An ACORN conducted voter fraud campaign with no possibility of federal prosecutors or federal regulatory agencies interfering. An ACORN conducted census that includes all illegals for apportionment purposes. If I can think of this stuff, so can they. I think they’re still counting on getting the virgins and the ambassadorships and maybe some new provinces to pay tribute to them as well.

  • Mayhem

    1. Complete control over healthcare.
    2. Amnesty for 20 million illegal aliens.
    3. Universal voter registration, to buffer their margins.
    4. Cap and Trade, to ruin the economy.
    5. Card check, to unionize the rest of the economy.
    6. Total usurpation of the normal (lawful?) legislative process.

    This isn’t paddy-cake politics anymore, folks. The Dems are almost to the finish line, while the GOP is still tying up its laces. When will we finally get a conservative party that fights bare-knuckles and plays by the same rules that liberals do?

  • benko

    “gambling that the GOP, back in power, will not have the guts or veto proof majorities to roll any of it back.”

    This is the problem. The dems will do anything (see Obamacare) to get what they want, but the repubs have demonstated consitently the lack of guts to do what is necessary to get their way.

    The writing is on the wall, and it ain’t pretty:

  • smagar

    We’re conditioned to think that our opponents will respond to the ultimate threat: Stop doing what you’re doing, or I’ll kill you!

    “Kill” can mean physically (with a gun), economically, (by firing you) or politically (at the ballot box).

    You can’t fight kamikazes, or suicide bombers, that way, though. No, you have to blow them up BEFORE they can even get close to you.

    If this, plus the Dems’ apparent plans to bypass a conference committee, isn’t enough justification for allowing Tom Coburn to have read every singlle word of Obamacare read on the floor of the Senate—well, then what is?

  • techsan

    …at times it requires self-sacrifice. In the liberal mind, I think it feels good to do something so “historic”…then move on to make your additional millions from the buearacracy you just created. I’ve been coming to this same conclusion too…I think they would even be OK losing all 3 positions…president, house, and senate…if their entire world-view is encoded in law. Any amount of bad behavior is therefore tolerated…d@** the torpedos. This is getting uglier and uglier very quickly.

  • earlgrey

    When I read these posts and so many others, it doesn’t give me much confidence about the road ahead. There has been so much done in a short period of time on our side. That has driven the opposition to increasingly desparate measures to pass their legislation.

    To me it is truly historic. Standing in fron of the capitol on 9/12 I told myself that I was witnessing either the beginning of something great (resurgence of conservatisim) or the end of something great (the principles the country was founded upon).

    We keep fighting with the odds against us. All the while saying that none of this can be repealed. Government doesn’t get smaller. How do we keep up the fight? the intensity? If we continue to accept that we can’t change any of it. The fix is in.

  • jimmy37

    Simply written. You forgot 2 things. By giving amnesty to 20 million illegal aliens, they will influence the 2012 elections. If they implement immigration deform, they will get more voters by that time.

  • dochunter

    Unfortunately, we are already at the point where less than half the population has any real stake in the cost of government. Everyone else has a hand out. Career politicians are whores. The only question is their price. Unless we can somehow force term limits, requiring officeholders to actually come from and return to the working population (without the possibility of lucrative government or lobbying positions), and common sense adherence to our Constitution, there is no good outcome possible. Political office must become SERVICE, not a CAREER.

  • erod

    Look I’m not going to be rosy; this past year has sucked for “We the People.” But all of you just want to throw in the towel and that?s dispiriting. Has the GOP fumbled the football in the past? Yes absolutely, but does that mean that we will continue to fumble?

    My answer is HELL NO!

    If we can get a strong conservative leader in like a Palin or a DeMint who doesn’t want to play nice with these people in 2012 and really reform health care, we will be fine. If we can transform the GOP in 2010 and 2012 into a more conservative, not neo-con party, we will be fine. If we don?t elect a typical party hack like a Romney or Pawlenty, we?ll be fine.

    This country is bigger than one man and one party.

    But some of you here really want to give up without ever trying. Here’s what I’m going to do: I’m going to go campaign for Dirk Beveridge in IL and get rid of that liberal scumbag congresswoman Melissa Bean. I’m going to vote for a conservative like Andy Martin in the GOP primary to throw “moderate Republican” Mark Kirk out of the race for Senate and put a conservative in BO’s seat.

    We can do this, I know things look dark and I’m not saying that they aren’t (I’ve been unemployed for a year, working two part time jobs, going back to school, paying off crushing student loan debt and watching these jokers try to destroy our Republic) I know what tough is, as do many of you do. But, we have GOT TO FIGHT THIS!

    They know they are in trouble, they know they won’t be in power forever and they are relying on us to do nothing! What arrogance!

    Pride comes before the fall they underestimated us and now we’re going to make them pay! You can follow countless others like me or you can just quit.
    I don’t want to quit not on this nation and not on our way of life.

    http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=HiyqvuTxaEs

  • erod

    Look I’m not going to be rosy; this past year has sucked for “We the People.” But all of you just want to throw in the towel and that?s dispiriting. Has the GOP fumbled the football in the past? Yes absolutely, but does that mean that we will continue to fumble?

    My answer is HELL NO!

    If we can get a strong conservative leader in like a Palin or a DeMint who doesn’t want to play nice with these people in 2012 and really reform health care, we will be fine. If we can transform the GOP in 2010 and 2012 into a more conservative, not neo-con party, we will be fine. If we don?t elect a typical party hack like a Romney or Pawlenty, we?ll be fine.

    This country is bigger than one man and one party.

    But some of you here really want to give up without ever trying. Here’s what I’m going to do: I’m going to go campaign for Dirk Beveridge in IL and get rid of that liberal scumbag congresswoman Melissa Bean. I’m going to vote for a conservative like Andy Martin in the GOP primary to throw “moderate Republican” Mark Kirk out of the race for Senate and put a conservative in BO’s seat.

    We can do this, I know things look dark and I’m not saying that they aren’t (I’ve been unemployed for a year, working two part time jobs, going back to school, paying off crushing student loan debt and watching these jokers try to destroy our Republic) I know what tough is, as do many of you do. But, we have GOT TO FIGHT THIS!

    They know they are in trouble, they know they won’t be in power forever and they are relying on us to do nothing! What arrogance!

    Pride comes before the fall they underestimated us and now we’re going to make them pay! You can follow countless others like me or you can just quit.
    I don’t want to quit not on this nation and not on our way of life.

    http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=HiyqvuTxaEs

  • Achance
  • bs
  • JadedByPolitics

    I really HATE that people throw that word around like its a bad thing to be for KILLING your ENEMIES, so curious as to why you say it negatively.

  • http://moelane.com/ Moe Lane

    And me. Former Democrats who switched over natsec.

    Or he means Jews. In which case he’d probably be well-suited to keeping that opinion to himself in the future.

  • Streiff

    am I wrong?

  • erod

    the definition of a neo con to my understanding is an individual who espouses some conservative principles mainly defense, social (abortion) and some fiscal policies (tax cuts), but believes in growing the government at a larger rate and is willing to adopt or integrate some form of liberal cannon into their ideology and policies (No Child Left Behind).

    Think of George w. Bush. While I liked GWB and felt that he was a good man, he just didn’t get it on a lot of domestic conservative policy. In other words, he was no Regan (one of the Republicans I admire most) who followed the policies of aggressive tax cuts and a more limited government.

    And by the way, I have no problem with the Jews, seriously. I’m sorry if I offended anyone, if that term means anything negative I apologize and won’t use it again. I’m half Puerto Rican; when my grandparents came here the only people who would rent out an apartment to them in a good neighborhood was a Jewish couple. Thank God for their kindness because of them my dad was able to grow up outside of the Hispanic gangs that were present in Chicago. I’m a huge fan of Jewish conservatives like Mark Levin (one of the brightest minds of the conservative movement) and Michael Savage, I like Mel Brooks and I even have a liberal Jewish friend who drives me nuts, but that’s just her personality.

    Lastly, I welcome former Dems into the GOP if they like what they see and want smaller government. And in 2010 and beyond I’m hoping that it will be a conservative model that is unapologetically conservative. Because conservative principles = freedom.

  • erod

    the definition of a neo con to my understanding is an individual who espouses some conservative principles mainly defense, social (abortion) and some fiscal policies (tax cuts), but believes in growing the government at a larger rate and is willing to adopt or integrate some form of liberal cannon into their ideology and policies (No Child Left Behind).

    Think of George w. Bush. While I liked GWB and felt that he was a good man, he just didn’t get it on a lot of domestic conservative policy. In other words, he was no Regan (one of the Republicans I admire most) who followed the policies of aggressive tax cuts and a more limited government.

    And by the way, I have no problem with the Jews, seriously. I’m sorry if I offended anyone, if that term means anything negative I apologize and won’t use it again. I’m half Puerto Rican; when my grandparents came here the only people who would rent out an apartment to them in a good neighborhood was a Jewish couple. Thank God for their kindness because of them my dad was able to grow up outside of the Hispanic gangs that were present in Chicago. I’m a huge fan of Jewish conservatives like Mark Levin (one of the brightest minds of the conservative movement) and Michael Savage, I like Mel Brooks and I even have a liberal Jewish friend who drives me nuts, but that’s just her personality.

    Lastly, I welcome former Dems into the GOP if they like what they see and want smaller government. And in 2010 and beyond I’m hoping that it will be a conservative model that is unapologetically conservative. Because conservative principles = freedom.

  • Achance
  • erod

    but lets not eat our own. I like the RS community and consider many of you to be like minded thinkers and friends. Plus, I have learned a lot from all of you and there are times when I’m pessimistic too, but we really got to stop thinking like this it’s only hurting us and our chances of being victorious in the fight that needs to be fought in 2010 and beyond.

  • erod

    but lets not eat our own. I like the RS community and consider many of you to be like minded thinkers and friends. Plus, I have learned a lot from all of you and there are times when I’m pessimistic too, but we really got to stop thinking like this it’s only hurting us and our chances of being victorious in the fight that needs to be fought in 2010 and beyond.

  • BlueLandRed

    I don’t think he is taking one for the team. Given his now exposed ties to AIG and Countrywide as well as inserting both of his legs into his mouth with his pronouncement of the health of Fannie Mae/Freddie Mac just before the wheels fell off; his polling numbers are in the toilet. He’s finally waking up to fact that the odds of being reelected are slim to none, and if he does run and lose, his career if over.

    So, he’s been shopping his seat to Obama and it looks like Obama willing to pay his price – because with Dodd out, the odds of the Dems keeping that seat are reasonable. I’m guessing Dodd is asking to be the Secretary of the Treasury – tho’ his prior entanglements might make his confirmation hearings tricky.

  • http://beaglescout.wordpress.com LJ “Beaglescout” Miller

    “Neocon” in particular is a bad word to use. Strictly speaking, it means a new conservative, most often a former Democrat who couldn’t take the Democrats’ Blame-America-First crap anymore. But lots of Anti-American people use it as a synonym for “zionist” or “jew.” And others use it as a general put down, kind of like “teabagger.” In either case, it’s a useless word unless what you want to do is stir up emotions.

    On the substantive question, of whether to give up, I’m with you 110%. What cultural redoubt do we take back first as we begin to fight politically? Hollywood or the Academy?

  • erod
  • louisiana

    but I have to because you are absolutely right. Election fraud has been one of my greatest fears. Besides ACORN & everything else you’ve mentioned, I hope people don’t forget Soros’ Secretary of State Project. They are currently backing 3 candidates in MN; MI; CA.

  • wbb1950

    In which case we must make the argument that the replacement is simply his successor bound to carry out the same perverse policies as Dodd.. Hence, thee must be regime change, because there is no difference between tweedle dum and tweedle dee. Force his succesor to either embrace Dodd, or else throw him under the bus. but whatever we do, do not allow him to campaign as a new kind of democrat because he is there to carry out the same Obama agenda as Dodd was with zero seniority.

  • sharonmcp
  • lcmslutheran

    we will have someone in office like Tom Delay. He was crucified by them thru some nothing little local DA in Austin. Tom was the Republican attack dog and hated with a passion by the folks that are now in power. (BTW, the charges that were brought against him by the nothing DA have all been subsequently dismissed. Go figure.)

  • sarge324

    most democrates are a sinister bunch of corrupt government officals ever.so with these guys leaving only means there is a plan.so we have to keep our eyes open andfor evil to win ,that good men do nothing.please stay mad and vote against whom want to destroy our way of life.

  • sarge324

    when are the right going to muck up with left .iam waiting,they have to be loud so all america could hear them.iam looking for a leader.take america away from twisted,evil,liberal zombies.

  • http://www.plumbbobblog.com Plumb_Bob

    A system of self-government requiring political compromise presupposes opponents who are moral, who agree to the terms of the system, and who are willing participants. With each new tactic, we seem more reasons why it is INSANE to continue to cooperate in a political system with Democrats. No good can possibly come from participating in a system where the opponent 1) is going to break the system permanently at every opportunity, and 2) is going to end the system as soon as they have obtain enough power.

    We should divide the nation, let them have their corruptocracy, and form a new union based properly on America’s founding principles. That is the only way we can save any part of the good thing that America once was. Without secession, it’s all going to collapse, and soon.

  • justicefin

    It may be the only way

  • vrwcnut

    In response, Id like to paraphrase that great British statesman whom bho seriously dissed early on:

    If you will not fight when the victory is reasonably sure and not too costly, there will come a time when the outcome will be in serious doubt but you have little choice but to fight. There may even be a worse situation when there is practically no hope of victory and the struggle itself will destroy what you are trying to defend. But you continue the fight because it is better to die free than live as a slave.

    I’m new here but I see no post hinting of an attitude of “giving up”. There is on the other hand an awareness that we are way past the point of the victory being sure and not too costly.

    My generation (boomers) didn’t do enough in peace time to guard the gates of Libety. Whatever the reason for that, we are here now on the proverbial slippery slope to slavery.

    Good news is, we’ve finally joined the battle. Here in East Texas there are lots and lots who are prepared to do whatever is necessary to stop this madness or die trying.

    We are working toward electing responsible public servants. If that doesn’t work, we will try Nullification/ Interposition. Our governor has even sent up a trial balloon about secession.

    Should all those fail, we are keeping our powder dry. But no one I know is considering surrender.

  • David123

    We cannot have two standards of “justice” one for Democrats and one for Republicans.

  • tskcoug

    Is there any reason to think that it would work this time? Besides I would not want to surrender half the country to them anyway. If things were to come to the breaking point it should be revolution not secession.

  • http://www.jeannie-ology.com jeannieology

    http://jeannie-ology.com/?p=4979

  • hgluter

    I see a long road ahead for conservatives. Even if conservatives had 60 seats in the senate and a majority in the house after 2010, and repealed obummercare, obummer himself would veto it. Now we’re in 2012. Conservatives would have to take the house, senate and presidency, then repeal obummercare. Things will be harder, since (1) we will have dumped hundreds of billions of our tax dollars into it and (2) people will start getting things for “free”. There will have to be some kind of logical transition to personal independence again. This country needs a serious re-education on what the US is about. One of the most positive things that I’ve heard is from Judge Napolitano, who believes obbumercare is unconstitutional and will be found that way by SCOTUS. If so, he believes this will lead the way to the elimination of a lot of other federal government “musts” which would make me do cartwheels!

  • robp

    It was shortly after the 9-11 attacks that I was confronted with a chilling reality: How do you combat someone who has no regard for their own life? The stakes were forever changed for America, as we watched planes careening into buildings and realized: they don?t care ? they are willing to die for this.

    The same sickening reality is now creeping upon me as I watch liberalism on the ascendency. I am suddenly realizing that the same kind of religious fervency is shared by those on the Left. Those who are masterminding the charge are willing to sacrifice everything ? even being in charge ? to advance their political agenda. The stakes are forever changed.

    Americans have always valued life, and we have been, and are being, attacked by a group of people whose religious agenda sadly trumps their own life. Similarly, politicians have always valued their own re-election, and now we are being attacked by a political force that is willing to sacrifice what for a liberal politician is their own life ? their re-election ? to advance the cause.
    .
    We have liberals in Congress who are willing to blow themselves up politically, and the health care industry with it, for his sake, for the sake of the cause.

    When will conservatives realize that this is not business as usual? It?s not about honor, handshakes and promises, and protecting your seat. This is a blood sport to liberals, who see government not as something to be tolerated, but an object of worship. And in this fight, there is no restraint ? they will stop at nothing.

    You cannot fight this fight by threatening their loss of seats and, ultimately, control. They don?t care. They will give up everything to gain health care. The President will throw every one of them under the bus, in fact is throwing every one of them under the bus, to gain control of health care. They will lose control of Congress, and it won?t matter, because they gained the pearl, and every attempt to roll it back will be vetoed.

    It?s the political suicide bombing of America.

  • spiff

    There is always hope that with a new Majority that someone, or agency, will investigate Sen. Dodd and his financial dealings while he was a Senator – it most certainly won’t occur under the present administration!
    Spiff

  • martyinaz

    This is almost certainly going to cook the goose for all the 60 Democrats that vote for it. When it comes time to pay for this monster the voting public will get “mad as hell and won’t take it anymore”. It’s not rocket science to realze that your wallet is shrimking after this passes. Careful wording will eliminate the wors “tax and taxs” from the bill, but it still must be paid for by all of us.

  • edwlstr

    thing they will not give up for Obama. Guess!