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The Man Who Would Keep Us Safe From Terrorists Would Rather Focus on Baptists Than Islamic Terrorists

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Had Sen. Jim DeMint (R-SC) not put a hold on the nomination of Erroll Southers to be the head of TSA, he might have been confirmed by the Senate without any serious digging into his background.

We know, for example, that the White House now admits it did not vet Mr. Southers. In fact, were you to pass through a TSA checkpoint at the airport, you will have been more heavily vetted that Mr. Southers.

But now there is new and far more troubling information about Mr. Southers caught on video. According to Erroll Southers, pro-life Christians and our support of Jews is a bigger threat to national security than Al Qaeda.

Mr. Southers, in 2008, said he was more worried about “Christian identity” terrorist groups inside the U.S. than islamic terrorists. What are “Christian identity” terrorist groups? White-supremacists naturally. The KKK. And the Southern Baptist Convention.

Southers identifies pro-life groups and anti-government activists as particular problems.

Yes, you read that right. Mr. Southers is worried more about tea party activists than Islamic terrorists.

Mr. Southers also thinks that America itself is to blame for the terrorist attacks. Had we not sided with Israel and France, which he says is an anti-Islamic nation, we would not be attacked by Islamic extremists.

Some people might argue that U.S. foreign policy exacerbates terrorism.

Mr. Southers seems to at least understand the basics — we are being attacked by Islamic extremists. Surely he would, as head of the Transportation Safety Administration, institute some sort of profiling to stop Islamic extremists.

Not so fast. Erroll Southers says the thought that terrorists are all Middle-Eastern and Islamic is a misconception. According to Erroll Southers, we’ve overrated the threat posed by Islamic radicals and we need to focus on pro-lifers and Christians instead.

Lastly, never mind the guy setting off the Geiger counter. Southers wants us all to know the nuclear terrorism threat is quite small.

COMMENTS

  • bs

    Bibles.

  • kmacwayne

    Thank you Senator DeMint for placing him on hold and doing the President’s job for him.
    I am sending this to my Senator and letting him and putting them on notice that I know they know…..

  • http://www.havearoach.com Lee Hempfling

    The guy is an enemy combatant in a suit. No wonder Obama didn’t ‘vet’ him. He didn’t have to. He’s no different than our poser in chief.

  • Crowe

    So let’s stiart keeping a running list of Obama nominees or near-nominees with problematic (at best) backgrounds…

    I’m sure I’ll miss some here, but the first lot that come to mind.

    1. Tim Geithner
    2. Tom Daschle
    3. Errol Southers
    4. John Holdren
    5. Vann Jones
    6. Keving Jennings
    7. Eric Holder
    8. Bill Richardson
    9. Charles Freeman
    10. Dawn Johnsen
    11. David Hamilton

    That’s for starters, and we’re not even a year into this tortured era.

    To think: Hillary! freaking Clinton is a voice of reason(!) in this administration. Oh my.

  • http://dreamsfrommyforefathers.com RoguePolitics

    Recco is not working for me or I would.

  • rodney_robbins

    I never thought I would agree with the statement “Hillary Clinton is the voice of reason”… I’m sure that this list of losers is somehow Bush’s fault.

  • Brian Hibbert

    You can’t recommend them and don’t need to. They already get attention. Recommend is for getting attention for member diaries.

  • earlgrey

    Thanks Senator

  • america1st

    Certainly there has been massive “change,” but equally certainly it has brought anything BUT “hope.” I don’t recall any graduates of Bob Jones University (just to name one of the most passionately evangelical Christian institutions) or Jesuits teaming up to ram passenger planes into buildings or blow them from the sky. But I must have missed the coverage. Nor do I recall any Orthodox Jews strapping on bombs when we sent aid to Gaza and leaned on Israel to negotiate with Arafat. Must have missed those stories, as well. Until 2009, I never thought I would see an operation in DC which could even come close to rivaling the incompetence & naivet? of grovelin’ jimmuh . . . but obama & crew have already surpassed that dark chapter of our history and in the process dramatically lowered the standards of the office. The average 8th grader has more substance than this group.

  • dlgd

    thank you Sen. De Miint…

    Nothing this admin. does or who they appoint shocks me anymore. I just feel a deep anger over what a mockery they have made of this country, and utter a profound prayer for true retribution to those who have perpetrated my country’s weakening. May those who are suppose to represent the will of the people and then blithely ignore that will and implement their own will because in their mind We the People are just the great unwashed, feel the total wrath of said unwashed this year and for years to come. “Let it be so!”.

  • nessa

    How many times have they used that excuse? It was a lie every time they’ve used it!

  • Dirt Winston

    Leftist lunatics? Is there one person left on Left who believes in traditional American Values?

  • wimom

    He said that Americans will have to allow their civil liberties to be destroyed if terror attacks occur. Then think about Obama wanting his own little army to do to Americans what he demands. Then think about Rahm’s ‘never let a crisis go to waste’. I wonder how many Americans they will allow (cause) to be killed to achieve their goals?

  • yoyo

    Kathleen Sah-bee-lee-us tax problems (I don’t feel like looking her up to correct the spelling….)

    Lou Panella (although, his is just plain in-experience)

  • yoyo

    Infantile is more like it.

  • yoyo

    They are all on speed dial.

  • http://www.theminorityreportblog.com/blog/loren_heal Socrates

    A “threat” in security jargon is the likelihood of an attack and the damage it would do. It’s akin to a risk assessment in business.

    The probability of a nuclear attack happening in the next five minutes is next to zero. The likelihood of a nuclear attack attempt in the next 20 years approaches metaphysical certitude.

    But with a nuclear attack it isn’t the likelihood of one occurring that is the problem, but the damage that one would do. Loss of a US city would make 9/11 seem like the Pantybomber by comparison, an orders of magnitude greater problem.

    So even if you think a nuke attack unlikely, it’s still a huge threat.

    As usual, Obama has selected an incompetent ideologue like himself.

  • idealjoe

    profile sounds exactly like the same agenda that is being pursued by the current administration. It appears as though Mr. O is vetting his own appointments and czars. And doing one heck of a job at it if your vision for America is complete and total destruction. I do have one question for our current illegitimate President——-who in the HELL vetted HIM ????? Michael Moore or Cindy Shehan.

  • izoneguy

    Erroll Southers ranting about “Christian Identity” terrorist groups

  • Richard Mullins

    …one, he’s an idiot that re-tells Janet Napalitano Right-wing terrorist line and two, he looks more like Obama’s long lost twin with the swung out ears. I really hope this fool gets blocked permanently

  • mbecker908

    Bob Jones University is most certainly not an “evangelical” school. They are a “fundamental” (note: not “fundamentalist”) school.

    Baptists do not need to be investigated, we do a perfectly fine job of doing that ourselves, hence the reason for roughly 10,000 or so unique “groups” of us. ;-)

  • mbecker908

    After all, he is pretty light skinned, seems to be clean and speaks pretty clearly.

  • http://dreamsfrommyforefathers.com RoguePolitics

    Remember when that went around?

    May as well have put Hannibal Lecter on the court.

    Looks like meat’s back on the menu boys.

  • E Pluribus Unum

    These are not accidents, not sloppy vetting. Obama is a Marxist and an Alinksyite. Yes he’s an idiot, but they’re not picking people without checking. They are picking people exactly like they would like to have in charge.

  • Common_Cents

    This President is no naive aww shucks Carter, but rather deceptive and deliberate.

  • The_Gadfly

    They are professional ideologues and very good at what they do. If they were only amateurs, they’d occasionally albeit inadvertently get one correct.

  • mom2oneson

    I listened to the clip by izone and those groups may very well have those characteristics? I didn’t get the impression that being pro-life or a survivalist was the defining thing here just that those terrorist groups and they also have those charactersitics. He mentioned extreme people that all of us think are wackos he didn’t say it was people going to your local baptist churches.

  • izoneguy

    So, you could surmise he is including ALL religions, including Baptists that identify with Christianity.

    He has no idea if the people he mentioned were Christian or not.
    You cannot throw out blanket statements and expect not be questioned about it.

    All Islamic Jihadists however are Muslim.

  • Richard Mullins

    and to that end we are the Terrorists now. I think you might have forgotten that. He didn’t have to say Baptists so much as to give the blanket argument against all people that seem to not conform to their viewpoint. Why does he still talk about white supremacists? They are politically inert and I think he should know that.

  • bigalsouth

    “Birds of a feather . . ” and all that white Christian clingy gun stuff and all.

  • mom2oneson

    white supremacy groups and is describing their traits.
    He isn’t attacking Christians in general, he is describing those supremacy groups and it sounds like he has knowledge of how they are.

  • mom2oneson

    but I’m sure *that* was not a blanket statement against Christians. I’m skeptical of anyone picked out right now but I don’t see what he is saying there as being a problem. I just don’t see it.

  • Richard Mullins

    He didn’t have to say Baptist specifically when things are clear that he means everyone that doesn’t agree with them. Really, we don’t blow up things and perform terrorism but the real Terrorists like Mr Southers think so. I hope we put this guy on ice forever.

  • mom2oneson

    y’all have more experience with political things and maybe are seeing something I do not, but I’m not comfortable with it, it seems like we are saying false things about what he actually said or implied or thought. Right now I would defend him saying he was not grouping together Christians just giving traits of these extreme groups.

  • Richard Mullins

    It’s not like these people are doing anything close terrorism. They don’t have an apparatus to carry out terrorism. Talking about White supremacist groups is a diversion. Now if he want to speak against the ELF or other Leftist terrorist groups. They are more of a threat anyway.

  • mom2oneson

    This whole thread scares me that we could be putting words and thoughts into his mouth that he did not say or imply.

  • mom2oneson

    is describing them. I’m OK with criticizing that he might be wrong in thinking they are terrorist, that is a political or intelligence thing. I’m not OK with us taking his description of these groups and saying he said that everyone with those traits is a terrorist. He was specifically describing a group and stated that at the start.

  • america1st

    I’ve absolutely no interest in causing friction, but from my viewpoint as an atheist, the differences between various groups of Protestant Bible-thumpers, like those between Jewish sects or the Shiite & Sunni are of very little, if any, interest to me.

    My point was simply: Christians, Jews, etc. have no history of attacking my country simply because some nut job claims his particular flavor of supernatural belief finds us offensive. That particular obsession is reserved to those whose “culture” remains mired in the 7th Century as they accord divine revelation to the power-mad ravings of a pedophilic, pederastic barbarian. I have no use for religions of any kind, but islam not only has caused more ill than the rest, it is the sole group which entered the millennium militantly endorsing the most primitive elements of its savage past.

    Most of the security issues facing the world, whether within democracies or totalitarian regimes, originate from this cult. Strip them of modern weapons, lock them inside their borders and check back in another 1400 years to see if they’ve evolved well enough to be fed at the table. Any official who cannot differentiate between the koranimals and normal religious practices really shouldn’t be trusted to sharpen pencils, much less deal with security.

  • izoneguy

    HE SAID these words. We ARE NOT making this up.

    Erroll Southers said at : 54 secs

    “Those groups are, uh groups that claim to be extremely anti-government and um, Christian Identity Oriented.”

    What are we supposed to take away from that?
    If these people are going to say stupid things
    and then back-track everytime they get caught
    flapping their lips saying stupid things then
    maybe they should shut-up and not be a
    representative for the American public.

  • Richard Mullins

    Really, do white supremacist plant bombs on people? No and if wants to do all this crap, he should try working for the FBI where be more effective. Needs to be focused on the people that want to kill us not on something that doesn’t make any sense to a TSA director. Please, if you want to spout the leftist line, there are places for you.

  • mom2oneson

    I don’t see him moving past these groups onto a different group or using those traits as the defining thing. No different a policeman saying the threat of violence in this area of the city is by gang members and they usually have designer sneakers and carry guns. That doesn’t mean he thinks everyone coming out of Foot Locker or the practice range is thought to do violence. That last clip was still part of his thoughts on the supremist groups IMO. Maybe your seeing something I’m not but I don’t see it and I think we are taking what he said and twisting it.

  • izoneguy

    Because you don’t want to see it.

    The man said it. Plain & simple.
    We are not twisting anything.

  • mom2oneson

    and was just describing them. I have no idea when he gave that interview. To me it sounded like maybe someone asked him about what are the high threats from native born citizens or something. It’s just a clip and it doesn’t look like a formal interview on all terrorism or complete statement on terrorism he would be wearing a suit jacket I’m sure and not have a bookcase of papers stacked behind him. He is just describing the characteristics of these groups.

  • Achance

    He said flat out that an orientation to Christian identification was an indicia of domestic terrorism propensities.

  • 4life

    calling Bob Jonsers evangelicals instead of fundamentalists. People like Southers lump those two groups together with the Islamic fundamentalists. Why do they hate Christians? For other reasons than terrorism, but how convieneint if they could just tie us with the same cord as the Islamists. Guys like this are the reason Christians need to keep their eyes and ears open for any instance where we are treated the same. For instance, the media, including Fox, will say that the Islamist at Fort Hood shouted “God is Great”. This is a subtle way to lump us in the same category. The news media should say Allah for the Islamic god and God to refer to the Christian God. They are not one and the same and should not be used interchangably.

    Southers’ hatred of Christians gives him something in common with the Islamic terrorists. Scary. And if the Islamic terrorists can bring Christians down with them, then count that as very effective suicide bomb.

  • mom2oneson

    it’s the white supremist type of group, we have to take in the context of he said at the start of white supremacy and describing them. It’s a term used with these white supremists, what their beliefts are about.

  • Achance
  • mom2oneson

    about Christian Identity, they will tell you about white supremist groups.
    ROTFL hindisght I do give it too much but that isn’t the case here! This man was probably giving some kind of interview to a sociology student and we are taking what he says out of context. He has pics of his family behind him, I bet he goes to church or at least does not hate Christnas.

  • mom2oneson

    I still have to type my respone to Zoosuit about ed laws and have had a sick animal so haven’t done it yet but we are wrong here, he did not say what we are saying he did, we shouldn’t do this to this man. He was just describing these white supremist groups. We should apologize to him.

  • http://andrightlyso.com/ civil_truth

    Listening to the previous section as well as “Part 2″ here, it does seem clear to me that his use of “Christian Identity” refers narrowly to the white supremists groups who blasphamously describe themselves by that title.

    I don’t see evidence in the video that he’s expanding his definition to mean any group that calls themselves Christian.

    I am perturbed, however, that he did choose to make the link to the anti-abortion beliefs – that was inflammatory.

    I don’t have the time to review the entire tape, but he did appear to discuss Islamist groups earlier and was responding here to “home-grown” groups which almost by defintion would excluded Islamist groups from consideration. So I don’[t see this section as supporting a blanket statement that he’s arguing that white surpremicist groups are a greater danger than Islamist groups.

    But if he did blame the U.S. and our support for Israel for Islamist attacks, that also would despicable and grounds for rejection – but I would have to hear that portion first before deciding that he did say that.

    Since there appear to be other strong grounds for rejecting his nomination, so as not to weaken the case against him, let’s be sure to keep his words in their proper context.

    Hopefully I will have time later for a full review.

  • izoneguy

    tried to blow up an airliner?

    I understand that the US needs to keep an eye on
    everyone – but Southers goes way out to identify
    “Christian Identity Oriented” as a threat that is
    equal to Islamic Fundamalists.

    Senator Robert Bryd was a member of the KKK
    http://byrd.senate.gov/

  • janis

    Do you honestly not have enough experience yet with Obama’s bunch to understand that they hate everything that American Christians stand for? They detest that we do not worship at THEIR altar, that we give our obeisance to God and to His Son. That’s a threat to them and their all out war on morality, patriotism, ethics, family, etc.

    To give them the benefit of the doubt is not only dangerous, it’s deluded.

  • http://pocketchangeproductions.net/ anotherindyfilmguy

    “we didn’t fully vet this nominee” be taken as a big bright blinking sign of incompetence and negligence as ground for impeachment? Just wondering…

  • mom2oneson

    and I haven’t heard where he said the supremist is a greater threat but I know in that clip he was describing white supremist groups and I feel it’s wrong we are lying about what he said. I would not have jumped into the thread if it was about the jihadist vs the supremist and the level of threat to Americans. I’m not street smart and won’t pretend to know about security. For the thread though there where does he say they are a greater threat?

  • izoneguy

    that Erick started.

    The whole video is there.

    Please look at the whole video about 5 times.

    Then look at the section that was excerpted
    from the longer file about five times.

    If you don’t get it after that then that is your problem,
    not ours.

    Bottom line – Obama has piss poor judgement.

  • mom2oneson

    these new czars especially with who has been picked so far but we are lying about what this mad said or implied that is so wrong. It’s pretty horrible to have something you said twisted and taken out of context, we shouldn’t be doing that. I’m saying he should be czare of the tsa but I don’t agree with the diary.

  • mom2oneson

    This man is stating what is what and theories why terrorist hate us. He sounds like he knows a lot aboutt this different groups and the thinking behind them and that is what we need IMO. It’s wrong what this diary is doing to him. He isn’t saying we should not have those alliances but is explaining how they are percieved by the terrorists.

  • izoneguy

    I do not share your perception.

    You are entitled to understand the world – your way.

    I do not feel that this man is qualified to keep me
    & my family safe. PERIOD.

  • patriotparty1

    that is working with a radical anti-American terrorist group? Why is Obama funding this group?

    Why is this group not charged with threats to a president for inviting Islamic terrists to come to the United States and get George and Laura Bush?

    Why is the media not making the connection between Obama and Code Pink a big deal? They are on the verge of being a threat to the country and he is in bed with them! They need to be shut down, and shut down hard now. They are inviting terrorists to come to our country to clean it out?

    The ad, titled ?Arrest the War Criminals? with a subhead that contains the invitation to ?join us in cleansing our country? links back to a Code Pink site that calls for the kidnapping of former President George W. Bush, his wife Laura and other former members of his administration through ?citizens arrests? for defending America against terrorists in the wake of the September 11, 2001 attacks by Al Qaeda.

  • sbpkwlg

    This guy has plenty of other stuff listed in this post that I have problems with and I am glad DeMint is digging. However, he is clearly talking about White-supremacists groups who have a Christian identity. While I think this term Christian identity groups can be used as a blanket to cover more people, here Southers is not saying he is worried about people who identify themselves as Christians as a whole, but those who might go into one of these groups. I agree that groups like the KKK are not anywhere near as big a threat as Islamic terrorist cells in the US, but that does not change the fact that he did not say Christians as a whole or the Southern Baptist Convention were the biggest threat. Throwing in pro-life was unnecessary and depending on the devotion to the idea of white supremacy may not even be true, but that alone does not change anything. Groups like the KKK are Christian identity groups, since many of them would identify themselves as Christians. I don’t think the World Church of The Creator is, but there is no denying that many white supremacists do consider themselves Christian. There is plenty to work with to stop Southers from being the head of TSA. We don’t have to try to make people more mad but putting words in his mouth.

  • http://vbushmills.blogtownhall.com/ vassar

    Cheers

  • http://vbushmills.blogtownhall.com/ vassar

    he should should still be denied. I hate framing even a guilty man, but hang him anyway.

  • nickm

    It’s a racist “church” affiliated with Aryan Nation.

  • mom2oneson

    I just want to clarify they would have to believe iin that awful Identity theology to be considered a Christian Identity’er.
    Thanks for the post! :) I owe you one!

  • http://www.tenmilestonowhere.com mead

    The anti-abortion comment from Southers was uncalled for.

    The question posed to him that led to the “Christian Identity Group” comment, was what poses the largest homegrown threat. It did not ask him if he ranked the KKK, Aryan Nation, etc. ahead of Al-Qaeda on a threat matrix. The Christian Identity Group comment was also just about describing one trait of white supremacist groups, in my opinion. Same with his anti-government comment.

    As to Israel, he stated the obvious that many Islamic groups hate the US because of our alliance. He did not state that alliance was necessarily a bad foreign policy decision. In fact, he was pretty complimentary of the assistance our intelligence community is getting from Israel.

    Beyond the anti-abortion comment, the only truly objectionable thing I heard in those videos was that he supports curbs on civil rights (an inconvenience as he put it) in exchange for security.

    I oppose Southers because TSA needs the flexibility to rapidly redeploy personnel as it sees fit. That won’t happen with a unionized TSA. If Southers cannot guarantee a non-union TSA then he should not go through. Well that and thinking curbs on civil liberties are a fair trade for the illusion of enhanced security.

    The credits on those videos state this was filmed in 2007 for whatever it is worth. I think someone asked upthread when they were made.

  • aesthete

    of posters here, and the OP. I watched all four of the videos linked to, and while I found statements that I object to, I don’t think that the characterization of Southers, per this set of videos, is fair. Southers is responding to specific questions, and to that end, attempts to answer them to the best of his abilities. His statements regarding pro-life and white supremacist groups were made in response to the question, “Are there groups inside the United States that pose danger to our security?” (Emphasis mine; Section 7 of the linked vid) His statements in the preceding section concerned Islamic groups that operate in the US, and how groups like Hezbollah and Hamas are more active in the US than the public would think. Therefore, the statements indicating that Southers “is worried more about tea party activists than Islamic terrorists” seem fraudulent, to me. (Given Erick’s front-page apologies and valuation of the truth, I highly doubt that he is being willfully deceptive through his statements, but the statements themselves are wrong, per the evidence provided on this post.)

    On the level of blame assigned to the US for Al-Qaeda’s attacks, I assume that the offending statement is this one: “Due to connectivity that we have with countries such as Israel, France, countries that are seen by groups, by Al-Qaeda [sic] as being ‘infidels’ or ‘anti-Islamic’, by the true nature of our alliance with them means that we are subject to being attacked as well.” (0:13, Section 2) I don’t see an assignation of blame here, but rather, a realistic assessment of what our alliance with those countries means to Al-Qaeda. This impression is corroborated by the context, in which he is explaining why anti-terrorism should be a high priority for us as a nation. To wit, the idea that Ron Paul would find a sympathetic ear in Southers wrt the concept of blowback is doubtful.

    “Some might argue that our foreign policy exacerbates terrorism” is expanded upon by Southers, and he states that Al-Qaeda, etc. use our foreign policy as part of their propoganda, and that “our foreign policy really needs to engage communities across the globe in explaining what we do, why we’re doing it, and partner with them.” (0:35; Section 1)

    His statements concerning a nuclear incident as the result of terrorism are 100% correct short-term, and 100% wrong long-term, so that statement’s fair game. But his statement that terrorists = Muslims is a misconception, while probably a strawman “misconception”, can’t be used to state as a fact that Southers is anti-profiling, or that he will “focus on pro-lifers and Christians instead” as TSA head.

    I disagree with a great number of his statements,including some of those that I quote here (Socrates’ post concerning the nuke threat is a great starting point for criticism of Southers), and the list of places where he errs is not a small one. And he may very well indicate a desire to focus on pro-lifers and “anti-government” people elsewhere, as other libs are wont to. But if we’re using these videos as proof, can’t we focus on areas where he is 100% wrong on them, without misrepresenting his POV (again, per these videos)?

    I sincerely hope that no one takes this as an attack on themselves or Erick; as one of my few contemporary political heroes, I’m not fond of having to write this post, and if you think that I’m wrong, I welcome a response!

  • america1st

    Shoulda said “. . . the differences *in theology, dogma, ceremony or whatever else of that nature* between . . . .”

    I fully recognize the key difference between islam and more enlightened spiritualists – the latter do not justify the killing or slavery of those who will not join their cult. The differences between the assorted groups which advocate the alleged teachings of their chosen oracles are otherwise simply of as little importance in my life as another person’s choice of roofing shingles, which is to say none. I fully support your right to practice your beliefs – including a minute of silence at the beginning of the school day – but otherwise, I want nothing to do with organized superstition.

  • sarge324

    southers is not ready for this job.he is not forthright.the liberals like him because obama pick him.progressives are for themselves,conservatives are for the american way.you have to remember the country is everthing,not the parties.

  • proudtexasgirl

    Achance,

    I take great exception to that remark. I am a mom2FIVEsons&FOURdaughters … and I can plainly see that “Christian Identity Oriented” is the first step on the VERY slippery slope of identifying any and all Christians as terrorist. What mom2oneson doesn’t seem to want to see is the fact that once they ring the bell on one group, it is very easy to use it as a blanket to smother us all. And once you have used the moniker “Christian Identity Oriented” what is to say that it can not be applied to other “Christian Identity Oriented” groups.

    I don’t need Mr. Southers as head of TSA focused on White Supremist Groups, I need the head of TSA focused on jihadist out to crash planes, set their panties on fire, or whatever other insanity they dream up to kill Americans.

    Mom2oneson – look at it this way … where is this man’s focus??? It is NOT on the ball. It is off in left field on White Supremist groups, anti-abortionist … hello, when is the last time the KKK or Pro-lifers flew planes into the World Trade Center, the Pentagon, or tried to set their panties on fire in an airplane!

  • mom2oneson

    I love your username and how wonderful five sons and four daughters! :)
    That phrase is used for a weirdo belief system that some of the supremist have, there is no way he was talking about all Christians there. It’s wrong for us to say he is talking about all Christians, we are intentionally spreading false things about him and we look ignorant. I already posted I think there should be an apology to him. I don’t think seeing groups that have already done violence as a threat is ringing the bell on all of us, He was so specific giving examples of people who had done it too. We are taking what he said out of context. I wasn’t bothered by the other thingst because it was all in the context of describing the supremicist group.

    I don’t think is showed he isn’t focused on other terrorist. That was just a clip of him explaining about the group. I just don’t see it where he says who is the greater threat It sounds like he has a lot of knowledge of both groups and is competent.

  • 4life

    I’m sorry that you consider Christianity a cult – just not a violent one. And, ‘organized superstition’ is just plain wrong. But only God can change hearts. Maybe He will change yours. In the meantime you seem to have basic religious tolerance. I suppose you represent the views of many in this country. You may want to open your eyes and see the good that is done in this country by Christians living out their Christian beliefs. It’s not just that we are non-violent, but we are out there doing good because of our faith.

  • mom2oneson
  • http://www.zapakramp.byregion.net carltonnewman

    To understand their mindset you need to understand who “THEY” are and who “WE” are and why “THEY” are so afraid of “US”. I go into a lot more detail on this on my blog at http://carltonnewman.blogspot.com but here is a synopsis.

    God created souls in His image and likeness of His Light, Energy and Consciousness; His sacred Fire (our God is a consuming fire). St Paul admonished us to “put on” that Mind that was also in Christ Jesus because that Mind is our True Identity and we are here in the earth to “put it on” and become who we really are. Our Christ identity is a unique personality in God. Jesus saved us so that we could complete this mission and do the things that he said that we would do and greater things when we accomplished this.

    Lucifer rebelled against God’s plan to have souls become His Christs; His only begotten Sons and Daughters with all power in heaven and in earth and dominion over all of the creation. Lucifer and his angels waged war against God and were cast into the earth. Lucifer had the knowledge of creation including genetics and he “created” a godless, soulless, robotic, mechanized man creation that Jesus called “the tares among the wheat”. They do not have a Christ mind and a unique personality but are like ants in an ant hill with a Socialist Collective consciousness with no sense of guilt, shame, remorse, right or wrong and with computer like brains and a vast intellect (intellectual nincompoops with no common sense). Common sense is a quality of the Christ Mind. Jesus said that in their time they would be greater than the children of God but when the children of God became who they really are they would be greater than the tares because they would be able to do the things that he did.

    The tares and fallen angels are deathly afraid that the children of God will become the Christs that they really are and will then finally cast the tares and fallen angels out of the earth (know ye not that ye will judge angels?). That is why “THEY” are more afraid of “US” then they are of Islamic Terrorists. The fallen angels and tares are the “false brethren crept in unawares” among all nations, peoples, religions, creeds and cultures to “spy out our liberties” and to corrupt and lead astray the children of God. They work themselves into positions of power by hook or by crook to pervert whatever group or organization they associate themselves with including politics, religion, education, health, etc., etc.

    Therefore be wise as serpents and gentle as doves and know them by their fruits (the things they do and espouse).

  • mutantone

    ?His name had been floated for the federal job earlier this year and was warmly received by unions and airport screeners, who say Southers will embrace collective bargaining for screeners.
    Now “the question of bargaining rights at TSA is not a matter of ‘if’ but ‘when,’ ” said John Gage, president of the American Federation of Government Employees, in a statement applauding the choice. “We are confident that the appointment of Mr. Southers as administrator will help put that matter to bed.”

    It really does not matter one bit that he has any skills in keeping us safe It was an appeasement appointment for the unions to gain more power and funding. The real threat is not the terrorist that he is suppose to be stopping but the growing expansion of the Unions in that protective cover that we all have to depend upon for our safety. It is as plain as day the reason for his appointment has nothing to do with Airport security but everything to do with Union job security
    This has nothing to do with terrorist

  • sapwolf

    Come on Glenn. This is begging for a full-blown show.

  • furious

    …nominee, here, but it’s “Christian Capital-I-dentity”, which excludes the Southern Baptist Convention. He was describing people like Posse Comitatus, the Montana Freemen and the Republic of Texas. PC (Gordon Kahl) are responsible the shooting deaths of two Federal Marshals and an Arkansas sheriff.

    There’s plenty-enough ammo (blaming US foreign policy for terrorism, snooping on his ex’s boyfriends, unionizing TSA, obsessed w/Northern Idaho vs. Yemen, etc.) to justify the hold and defeat his nomination. Roping in the SBC is kinduva reach.

  • http://www.hakubi.us/ Neil Stevens

    Why are you giving Obama the benefit of the doubt on that?

    He’s proven himself to be a bigot.

    You’re making a mistake. You should just stop defending that fascist bigot Obama and move on.

  • blooch

    to make his point about domestic terrorism, The fact that he went there reveals his worldview and his desperate need for a teleprompter to keep him from speaking extemporaneously.

    Even Obama didn’t get that specific when he denigrated the bitter clingers.

    Birds of a feather.

  • furious

    …fruit (oops, “birds of a feather”) around Obama’s nominees, including this one, that doesn’t require reach…um, interpretation.

  • mom2oneson

    He was describing this group in detail because he is educated about them. We look foolish saying he was describing anything but the traits of supremicist groups. The fact that he went there only shows he is familiar with the religious beliefs of some of them.

  • mom2oneson

    It could ruin this man’s livelihood based on a lie.

  • blooch

    between these “Christian Identity-oriented” groups and the threat they pose to our transportation systems. He could outline his proposals for further regulations on truck rentals and waiting periods for straight pipes on Harleys, or put us some info on the nascent threat of kamikaze houseboats secretly being constructed in the Ozarks. Something, anything, that would make these execrable groups relevant to the job of TSA director. Instead, he descends into socio-babble and mission creep musings and manages to single out a group which has hijacked the word “Christian” into its name.

    I do think roping legitimate Christianity to this may be a bit of a stretch, but his statements do reveal that his focus would likely on things which are out of his purview and largely irrelevant to his job. He might be a better fit in Holder’s Justice Dept.

  • mom2oneson

    He was asked about terrorist born here. Is he supposed to refuse to answer?

  • aesthete

    but you should know that at the time of the interview, he was A) an employee of the Dept. of Homeland Security, and B) was asked specifically about “home grown groups”, after he had talked about the surprising and disturbing level of activity of groups like Hamas and Hezbollah in the US. There’s plenty to critique about Obama and Southers without using caricature.

  • aesthete

    The context of the remarks concern why anti-terrorism should be high on the list of national priorities; he says ?Due to connectivity that we have with countries such as Israel, France, countries that are seen by groups, by Al-Qaeda [sic] as being ?infidels? or ?anti-Islamic?, by the true nature of our alliance with them means that we are subject to being attacked as well.? Ron Paul, he is not, judging by the contents of the video. (My full critique of this post is here, if you’re interested.)

  • blooch

    “Terrorists born here” and home-grown groups” would seem to me, in relation to a potential job as head of TSA, to include groups, formed and functioning here, of radicalised immigrant Muslims and radicalised native-born sons and daughters of those immigrants, since these are the folks whose heritage is heavily sprinkled with attacks on trains, buses and airplanes. It would also include groups like the Nation of Islam and the Black Foot Soldiers. If Southers is going to speak of individual terrorists like Buford Furrow, then he should at least make a passing nod to Maurice Clemmons.

    The fact that he completely omits these from his litany says great deal to me about his worldview and priorities. When he goes into great detail about White Supremacist and anti-abortion terrorists and then lumps them together into the “Christian Identity-oriented” category, it may just be a poor choice of words, but it may also be a clue as to where his head is.

    I was born into an agnostic family, and I would probably be considered a nominal Christian who doesn’t have a dog in the fight, but I have to say that Souther’s phraseology, emphases and omissions, much less his past indiscretions and abuses of power, give me great pause. He doesn’t seem to be someone who would work for *all* Americans.

  • http://andrightlyso.com/ civil_truth

    Although there are a few serious missteps here, such as gratitously dragging in the abortion issue, overall this tape seems to be even a positive for Southers, or at least a far cry from a nomination-killer. And I do think that this tape does not support his holding an anti-Christian animus.

    This doesn’t negate the larger problems with the Obama administration in their other public pronouncements on the terrorism issue, but we do need to beware of Obama Derangement Syndrome leading us to suspend skeptical judgment.

    Again, we have several strong grounds to oppose Souther’s appointment apart from anything on this tape – issues that are matters of record – let’s not undermine our opposition but pushing dubious objections that will allow his defenders to get him off the hook.

    With Senate Republican is the minority, we need compelling and factually aritight arguments to defeat his nomination – and this tape doesn’t meet that standard.

  • http://andrightlyso.com/ civil_truth

    I’[m basically standing in the minority here with you and m2os.

  • http://andrightlyso.com/ civil_truth

    Southers will always have gainful employment under a Democratic administration – and he has other serious faults which are a matter of public records that are grounds for rejecting this appointment.

    (These faults are mentioned are in furious‘ comment just below)

    Rather, I’d be worried that misrepresenting Southers’ positions expressed on this tape will discredit us and immunize him against our legitimate objections.

  • aesthete

    Maurice perpetrated his cop-killings in ’09. Also, he did mention Nation of Islam among the “home-grown” groups, so to say that he only mentioned Christians is untrue. Like I said, context is crucial, and I’d highly suggest viewing the videos, if you have the time to do so: they really aren’t as scandalous as this OP would suggest. There’s plenty to disrecommend Southers without using dubious connections, and I saw the left use that tactic enough with Bush to dislike it.

  • http://www.helpawhiteguy.com livefreenh

    This guy dropped out, as of now, and claims that he is a “lightning rod” for people with an agenda.

    This means you, RedStaters.

    Congratulations!!!

  • mschmitt