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Dr. Clouthier and the Case of the Tea Party Convention

Melissa Clouthier has some interesting reading about all the questions behind this Nashville shindig.

I think the good doctor and I both hope it is a success and energizes lots of people to get involved, but all signs are pointing to something not so good.

Just as a “for instance,” were I still practicing law I’d advise clients to have their 501(c)(4) or 527 already set up before taking people’s money. Saying the organization will turn around and pour the collected money into an as of yet unformed 527 or 501(c)(4) is questionable, if only from a tax standpoint.

I haven’t practiced law in a few years, but this was the area in which I practiced. If the fact are as reported, there is something questionable going on.

COMMENTS

  • AceInTX

    from a Tea Party gathering that headlined Sarah Palin. The event has been canceled…and some of the money has been returned to people who purchased tickets for the event.

    Tea Party finger pointing in wake of failed symposium
    Reported by: Demond Fernandez

    Latest on Tea Party stolen money

    SAN ANTONIO – Many of you have contacted News 4 WOAI about our story on a Tea Party group accusing an event planner of dipping into money people paid to see a symposium. We talked to that event planner, and she says the group is trying to deceive the public and smear her name. Now she wants to set the record straight.

    This is day two of a lot of finger pointing and no one agreeing to go on camera. All we’re trying to do is get to the bottom line of what happened to the missing money.

    A note now posted on the Tea Party Support’s website says, “Our former event planner, Jennifer Ramirez-Jasiczek, diverted ticket sales to her Paypal account.?

    The group’s president, Matthew Perdue, says Jasiczek’s the reason he was forced to cancel a national conservative symposium scheduled for next week at the lush Hyatt Hill Country Resort. That event would have featured former Alaska Governor Sarah Palin as a keynote speaker.

    Jennifer Jasiczek operates an event planning service called “A Regal Affair.” In a statement issued to News 4 WOAI, Jasiczek says she’s shocked and appalled Perdue is making allegations that he knows to be false.

    When News 4 WOAI began checking into viewer concerns that their symposium refunds may be tied to a scandal, Tea Party Support didn’t initially name the accused event planner nor her business. The group just claimed the woman created a special account to allegedly divert the money.

    Jasiczek told me she, “Wants the community to know she denies any allegations of misappropriation of funds or any illegal activity.? She says she “worked hard to make the symposium a success? and she says she’s in the process of filing a lawsuit against Perdue and Tea Party Support for breach of contract, libel and loss of income.

    Jasiczek and her lawyer told me they are both adamant about her innocence.

    When I spoke to Perdue about her statements, he says he knows who’s at fault. He says he also wants the truth to come out.

  • AceInTX
  • Finrod

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  • vs007

    Regardless of what happens in the convention, come 2010 and 2012, I would urge to vote only for tea party candidates, or some one like Sarah Palin..

  • ceili_dancer

    n/t

  • Third Street

    Thanks for stopping by though; I was in the mood to call a pig a pig.

    I’m afraid, though, that nobody here is that stupid. We’re still taking your seat on Tuesday.

  • http://www.gopmom.com GOPMOM

    I can tell you the legal implications are terrifying. We are not even organized enough to raise money – too busy holding events, networking, expanding… And now the Special Senate election.

    We were advised to forma as a simple non-profit corp, operate for a year and then file for 501c3. After that, look into forming additional branches – 501c4, 527.

    We are moving slowly – thoughtful and deliberate is our mantra. We are interested in forming an organization that has lasting power, not a flash in the pan.

    I’ve received invitations to multiple “conventions” and have turned down all but one. I have managed to run this org with only my own and one other person’s out of pocket money for nearly a year – and I don’t have much. The idea of raising millions to run an org seems dubious to me. Aren’t we grassroots?

    The comment about lights and bugs is spot on – there are sharks everywhere. If we stick to our initial mission, we should be able to spot them easily.

  • JadedByPolitics

    that should be the MANTRA of the TEA Party Activists. When something grows to large it loses the common touch that made it so special in the first place.

  • http://www.gopmom.com GOPMOM

    Go Scott Go!

    Thanks Red State for your support!

  • rbdwiggins

    However, we will use the enormous momentum generated by the Tea Parties and the bright spotlight of the “New Media” to elect conservative Republicans at the local, state and federal levels for the foreseeable future.

    Sarah Palin’s future, political and financial, is in her own hands now. As it should be.

    I’d like to give a special thanks to those on the left who consistently ignore the law of unintended consequences and are wholly responsible for creating such a myriad of opportunities from which she can pick and choose.

  • http://vbushmills.blogtownhall.com/ vassar

    …expect suits, criminal charges, whatever can be dug up…but only after Sarah appears. Then, it won’t be long before no one will be able to tell the difference between criminal fact and criminal fiction, which is generally where the media want it. It is a story that will have legs, if only manufactured ones.

    There are villains here, least of which may be Judson Phillips.

    I think it’s important that she pull out quickly.

    This is like agreeing to be a bridesmaid at friend Ted’s wedding before discovering the name of the bride is Barney.

  • trutexan

    I know this event planner personally and have worked with her professionally for years. She is a mom of 5, all under the age of 15, and the thought of her embezzeling is completely incomprehensible to me. She has worked hundreds of elaborate, over-the-top weddings where brides pay her and she pays the vendors in-full and on-time with never a problem. She is a well-thought of professional in the event planning industry in San Antonio and has even donated her event planning skills for the San Antonio Rape Crisis Center.

    However, I did receive some wacky rambling emails from the event’s organizer, Matt Perdue about how money from his first Tea Party attempt, San Antonio Tea Party, was being mishandled and he was whining about transparency. So he started Tea Party Support and now the same thing has happened. Hmmm. He seems to be the common denominator in both instances.

    Why would the corporate event planner have the PayPal password for ticket sales? The fact that Mr. Perdue put her name all over his website and blamed her for stealing before any type of investigation is appalling. Now this mom is in the fight for her life to stay out of jail and had to retain an attorney. Her husband is a $15 dollar an hour grocery stocker who works nights, she doesn’t work outside the home, and now this. It’s insane.

  • http://moelane.com/ Moe Lane

    I was impressed, though: generally speaking, they can’t reference THAT WOMAN without letting the mask slip.

  • Jeff Weimer

    Because as a Koncerned Konservative Khristian Moby troll, it would give the outcome you really want.

    We’re not that stupid, but maybe you are, if you think that.

    But then again, you probably are ignoring the fact we real Conservatives, generally as a whole, are supporting the fairly liberal Scott Brown in MA with little reservation. Supple nuance like that, rhetoric notwithstanding, is lost on your type.

    Goodbye.

  • http://www.ufcle.com/willis/willis.htm Steven Willis

    Based on the limited information you provide, I seriously doubt you want to be a (c)(3). I also have serious reservations about (c)(4) status, although that is plausible. Plus, operating for a year and then applying for exempt status is often ill-advised. This would appear to be one such instance.

  • AceInTX

    if it’s the Tea PArty guy…it poses a problem and is one of those things that are inevitable when you don’t have a central structure policing things like this…there will always be a few bad apples that don’t necessarily spoil the whole barrel…never the less…the tendency of the public will be to throw out the barrel because of the few bad apples.

    I don’t know where this is going…but I can see rough sledding ahead because the Dems are about to go from the…”ignore them and they’ll go away” phase to “they just took out Coakly so the must be destroyed at any cost!”

    I’d bet $100 to a box of donuts that this will explode into the national news as time goes on….I feel for your friend because she’s about to get swept into a tempest!

  • AceInTX

    If they can call the credibility of the Tea Party movement into questtion, combined with shenanigans like what is going on in San Antonio, (whether the Tea Party guy is involved in embezzlement of funds or not…that’s the way it’ll be played), they will take down the movement and Palin with it as people become disaffected and cynical.

    There is a movie with Gary Cooper called “Meet John Doe that comes to mind about an every man called John Doe by the Public who serves as a rallying cry to the Public and shakes the Political establishment…and the end result is….they discredit him and the movement dies. It has a happy ending…but that’s Hollywood isn’t it?

  • The_Gadfly

    from the ground up, I have to agree with Steve. Given your goals, 501(c)3 sounds like a bad option. Yeah, the lefties would do it that way, but you should stay legal. The c(3) title is for CHARITABLE or Educational foundations, and are forbidden from advocating on behalf of or against specific politicians. Think Red Cross, soup kitchens, and groups that educate about things like cancer.

    The start up process for the group should be fairly simple. You should consult a lawyer with expertise in what you are doing, but the cost shouldn’t be prohibitive. You start be incorporating as a local not-for-profit corporation, which is not the same thing as a non-profit organization. Typically it costs a couple hundred bucks to file the paperwork because it isn’t much different than a simple business incorporation. That group then establishes bank accounts and membership fees and organizes the rest of whatever. The officers of that group then get together with a lawyer and an accountant to determine and apply for the appropriate 501(c)x status. I think there are about 12 of them with varying degrees of preferential tax treatment. The c(3) is usually regarded as the most preferential, and with it you can usually purchase things needed for your organization at substantial discounts, but you need the one that best suites your objectives, not necessarily the one that exempts you from the most taxes. Also note that (c)x status only applies to federal taxes. You still need to either pay local taxes or apply for exemptions from the appropriate authorities. The last group I helped incorporate the (c)3 paperwork cost about $5000 until we were finished. That included lawyer, accountant, and a second round with the IRS because the agent reviewing our application thought we were a trade group instead of educational.

    Once you are organized it isn’t necessarily difficult to get to the point where you are dealing with millions of dollars in your budget. If your organization is 40,000 people and your dues rate is $25/person that is $1 million. But frankly, if you’ve got any sense the dollar figures will start scaring the heck out of you long before that if you don’t have the protection of an incorporation and a responsible set of officers and board members to guide the organization. That same $25 gets you $100,000 with only 4,000 members, and that’s still more than twice as much as most people make in a year. Without the incorporation you are likely to be treated as a partnership, which means not only are each and every one of you who run the organization responsible for all of it, you are also responsible for any agreements any other member makes on behalf of the organization. And those agreements aren’t necessarily limited by the amount of money you have collected.

    I wouldn’t go as far as Erick does in saying that you have to BE a (c)x before you start operating

  • The_Gadfly

    meant to edit that last paragraph into the previous and say:

    I wouldn’t go as far as Erick in saying you have to BE a (c)x before you start operating, but I think you should BE incorporated as a not-for profit before you start promoting large events. Once you determine what type of (c)x you want to be, you should apply for it and be explicit that you have applied for the status but that it has not yet been granted.

  • The_Gadfly

    for a grassroots organization. The thinking is too different for the kinds of events you are doing. OTWP is affordable but not cheap. Grassroots is on the cheap but not shoddy. OTWPs think Gaylord, grassroots think Holiday Inn, and even then, only because Red Roof doesn’t usually have meeting space. OTWPs think guest lists and tickets, grassroots thinks membership and “ticket” is right up there with the n-word, because that’s a quick way to get the entertainment people (both the taxing agents and the Ticketmaster people) looking for a big chunk of your proceeds.

    She may be honest and the best at what she does, but she was the wrong choice to be involved in organizing a tea party. Ultimately it may just be a failure to communicate. She may have proceeded according to standard practices thinking everything had been clearly spelled out, but because the people on the other side have never dealt with that kind of organizing before, they didn’t understand what she meant. And with large amounts of money on the table the charges of embezzling are going to fly quickly from people who aren’t use to dealing with those kinds of contracts and amounts of money.

    I still remember one of our early conventions when we the hotel came to us because our American Express card didn’t go through for the hotel charges. First off, we thought the charges weren’t being billed each day by the hotel, secondly we didn’t think there was a limit on an Amex account. Turns out they have some formula where they determine a floating limit based on your average expenditures. Our model was flat until the convention, then ballooning like you’d see if somebody stole your card and was making fraudulent purchases. We made a payment by phone from our bank deposits that morning, then tried to run the card again, only to find that the payment wouldn’t clear until Monday morning and it was Saturday afternoon. We and the hotel eventually worked it out (it seems that offering to pay in cash for an amount Amex won’t authorize is highly likely to cause blanched faces at hotels and even at some banks), but it was pretty tense for a while.

  • beezling

    This is absolutely dreadful for anyone eager to pay over a thousand dollars to go to both the convention as well as Palin’s speech, not to mention pay for accomodations at the less-than-cheap Opryland Hotel (or surrounding environs), not to mention travel costs?

    American Liberty Alliance, the Convention’s Gold sponsor, just dropped out due t concerns from members about astroturf (some shady business involving donation money going into a personal paypal account).

    The Silver Sponsor, Tea Party Emporium, sells .. wait for it … tea bag jewelry. Tiny, shiny little teabags. “Inconspicuous consumption”or not, I don’t have $90 to blow on a bag of tea that won’t even make tes.

    I wrote about some of this in HuffPost:

    http://www.huffingtonpost.com/alex-brantzawadzki/tea-party-convention-lose_b_416987.html

  • JadedByPolitics

    write some CRAP you wrote at Huffington the DIRT post. If it falls apart it falls apart but WE don’t need SKANKS that take pleasure out of this development coming here…TOOL!

  • JadedByPolitics

    I despise little pathetic pieces of HATE who troll around Huffington Post which is run by a woman who I would spit on if I was in her face! and anyone who writes there is not even up to her level to me!