Man Who Attacks Pope as “Hurting People in the Name of Jesus” Gets Appointed to Oversee Faith-Based Initiatives


This is really disturbing.

Barack Obama has appointed Harry Knox to the White House’s Office of Faith Based and Neighborhood Partnerships.

In March, Knox began an attack on the Catholic Church during a speech before the gay rights group Human Rights Campaign.

Knox, attacking Pope Benedict XVI directly, said the Pope and, through him the Catholic Church, is “hurting people in the name of Jesus.”

After his appointment, Knox was confronted with his comment and reaffirmed that he hates the Pope.

The Office of Faith Based and Neighborhood Partnerships’ charter states that it “will work on behalf of Americans committed to improving their communities, no matter their religious or political beliefs.” Really?

A man who is willing, even with such an appointment, to attack the head of a church with millions of active congregants , cannot be trusted to fairly work with Catholics. The Pope is called the Holy Father for a reason and attacking the Holy Father does little to prove a commitment to improving communities no matter their religious or political beliefs.

The St. Michael Society has a petition calling for this man to resign. I’m Presbyterian, but I signed it too.

This man is an insult to the Christian faith when the basis for his attack on the Catholic Church is its position on homosexuality — a position shared across denominations of Christians.

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Yeah...this makes sense

pro_libertate Thursday, February 4th at 10:52AM EST (link)

Sometimes it is hard to tell whether this administration is just that incompetent or if they really do hate…well, anyone that subscribes to traditional American values and norms. Maybe it is a combination of both.

Either way, it is hard to believe this administration could be so stupid.

Obamanation and ilk want to destroy what we know as America

renny Friday, February 5th at 8:12AM EST (link)

He says what is palatable to his toady “press,” but his appointments like Jennings (wants homosexual literature in kindergartens, when they don’t really have much “literature” at all) shows he is bound and determined to destroy the US and make it into the socialist-commie model of leftwing academics.
He hasn’t given up on Obamanationcare or card check or krap and trade, all designed to cripple the ec., attacks the banks and scares the stock market, and knows that the loss of the Bush tax cuts will be a terrible burden on everyone (except welfare people) in the US.

 
 

This is all AIDS politics.

shadowtax Thursday, February 4th at 11:07AM EST (link)

The attack on Pope Benedict was prompted by an interview the pontiff gave returning from a trip to Africa. He acknowleged the AIDS crisis in Africa and said that a response should involve the people. He restated that the Catholic Church opposes artificial contraception, saying that promoting sexual promiscuity makes the situtation worse. Something along those lines. Nothing really new. It was distorted in the press in the usual fashion.

Americans are free to disagree with the position of the Church. Nevertheless, the pope said nothing to warrant such an attack. The real audacity of Mr. Knox is that he claims to be more Christian than the Pope. Gimme a break. A public official should be more restrained.

It is also worth noting that Mr. Knoxs dismissed out of hand a new study which supports the position of the Church.

Now we must all face the wrath of the angry mobs of street Catholics around the world. Mr. Knox will have to go into hiding,…oops sorry, wrong religion. The administration bows to those folks.

 

At Least He Hasn't Nominated Sinead O'Conner<nt>

Repair_Man_Jack Thursday, February 4th at 11:08AM EST (link)

“smug doesn’t balance a spreadsheet” -Moe lane

In Sinead's defense

legalizeit Thursday, February 4th at 3:20PM EST (link)

She’s grown up a lot. No hard feelings there.

So hold me, Mom, in your long arms.
Your petrochemical arms. Your military arms.
In your electronic arms.

 
 

To this administration, truth is subjective

wayneinnh Thursday, February 4th at 11:15AM EST (link)

For a president claiming to be a Christian, he seems to overlook the truths of the Bible. Instead, he prefers to subjectively insert his own version of the truth. The problem is, truth is not subjective. It is very objective. If my version of truth differs from your version of truth, at least one of them is wrong and is not the truth.

This administration has promoted idolatry from the beginning. Not in the actual building of a golden calf, but instead has taken the God of the Bible and inserted in His place a god that they feel comfortable with. Of course their god has no judgment and will allow everyone to do their own thing. Unfortunately for them, they will one day run smack into the truth.

Thoughts From a Fallen World

Jon 14:6 -
Jesus said to him, “I am the way, and the truth, and the life; no one comes to the Father but through Me.”

It’s not intellectual to believe we evolved from hydrogen gas.

Not surprising. He does the same thing to the Constitution. nt

TNJim Thursday, February 4th at 11:41AM EST (link)

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“The most dangerous special interest is big government, and President Obama is its lobbyist.” -Thaddeus McCotter R-MI
You think people are mad… We passed mad several exits ago. -Rush Limbaugh

 
 

I am

Black River Wolf Thursday, February 4th at 11:17AM EST (link)

Catholic and I am pissed off that Obama and his cronies are so anti-Catholic, and also Anti-Semites. But, what do you expect from a man that went to Rev Wright’s Church for 20 years
And any Catholics that voted for Obama should be ashamed of themselves.

“In my many years I have come to a conclusion that one useless man is a shame,
two is a law firm, and three or more is a congress.”—-John Adams

Exactly

erod Thursday, February 4th at 1:26PM EST (link)

I encountered so many liberal Catholics at my Church’s youth center while I was in college that it disgusted me. Just the fact that they could vote people in who support practices that are opposed to the Catholic faith like abortion always had me scratch my head. It’s ok though, they wanted to feel all touchy feely by supporting this “Messiah” who was against the evil warmongering Bush who just wanted to start wars and kill innocent Muslims. After all he was the worst, most evil president ever! sarc off.

Well most of them don’t have jobs now because of the economy and that “hopey-changey thing” that happened to us a year ago.

 

Exactly

erod Thursday, February 4th at 1:26PM EST (link)

I encountered so many liberal Catholics at my Church’s youth center while I was in college that it disgusted me. Just the fact that they could vote people in who support practices that are opposed to the Catholic faith like abortion always had me scratch my head. It’s ok though, they wanted to feel all touchy feely by supporting this “Messiah” who was against the evil warmongering Bush who just wanted to start wars and kill innocent Muslims. After all he was the worst, most evil president ever! sarc off.

Well most of them don’t have jobs now because of the economy and that “hopey-changey thing” that happened to us a year ago.

 
 

Just a quick note on Presbyterian

thecorruptedlamb Thursday, February 4th at 11:27AM EST (link)

As I am Episcopalian, we believe that we are all part of one church of God. Indeed in the Nicene Creed we state that “we believe in one Holy Catholic and Apostolic church”. This makes an affront to the Pope a direct affront to me and my beliefs. While we differ from the stated Catholic dogma that the Pope is the voice of God on earth and therefore can not make mistakes, he is still the stated titular head of our church.

I will talk with my vestry and assure that we are not taking assistance from this office for any of our many ministries. And, if we are, I will respectfully submit that we should remove ourselves from these programs and find other funding for those ministries. We will make sure the reason for our abstaining from these monies is specifically stated when we remove ourselves from these programs.

Further I think a news release will be necessary to make sure the local public knows why we are rejecting this money.

“Wealth is the product of man’s capacity to think” – Ayn Rand [Atlas Shrugged]

Thanks

shadowtax Thursday, February 4th at 12:06PM EST (link)

I am a Catholic. Your post got me thinking about papal authority. His authority is not as broad as most people, even Catholics, think. I’m not faulting, or even arguing with you. I just started to think about papal authority and Obama’s authority. It turned into a longer comment which I’ll post below.

I appreciate your solidarity as a fellow Christian. God Bless.

 

appreciate your sentiments

streiff Thursday, February 4th at 12:13PM EST (link)

but I’d really be remiss if I didn’t point out an error:

that the Pope is the voice of God on earth and therefore can not make mistakes,

Catholics don’t believe that. We believe that the Pope, when speaking on matters of faith and morals, is infallible and that infallibility has been invoked only a handful of times (between two and seven depending on how you count) in the history of the Church.

“A man does what he can and endures what he must.”

Thanks!

thecorruptedlamb Thursday, February 4th at 1:11PM EST (link)

Wow, really not trying to get into a discussion of Papal Theocracy, just trying to point out that most Protestant religions still feel fealty towards the Catholic Church as a whole. I thank you for your correction, and will keep and hold it dear!

The important portion of the post is that an attack on the Catholic Church should be seen as an attack on all Christian organizations.

P.S. very hard to offend me!

“Wealth is the product of man’s capacity to think” – Ayn Rand [Atlas Shrugged]

as a Catholic

streiff Thursday, February 4th at 1:22PM EST (link)

who’s had that particular statement stuffed in my face on a lot of occasions (I think most Catholics who blog have had the same experience) I’m just sensitive to it.

But, indeed, we need to be Ecumenical in defending our Brothers because ultimately they will be coming for all of us.

“A man does what he can and endures what he must.”

 
 

Yes

Black River Wolf Thursday, February 4th at 3:04PM EST (link)

The Pope and infallibility is over emphasizes and has only been used sparingly. It has to deal with matters of Faith, not everyday life.

We o not have to agree with the Pope on all issues except those of the Church’s Faith.

But the solidarity is much appreciated.

This is an affront to all faiths, not just the Catholic Church. This President and his lackeys have shown disdain for many faiths.

“In my many years I have come to a conclusion that one useless man is a shame,
two is a law firm, and three or more is a congress.”—-John Adams

 
 

Just one small point

wayneinnh Thursday, February 4th at 2:02PM EST (link)

The Nicene Creed uses small “c” catholic, meaning all-inclusive, or including or concerned with all people. It is meant to include all people within the Christian faith, not specifically the Roman Catholic church.

Thoughts From a Fallen World

Jon 14:6 -
Jesus said to him, “I am the way, and the truth, and the life; no one comes to the Father but through Me.”

It’s not intellectual to believe we evolved from hydrogen gas.

that's a modern device

streiff Thursday, February 4th at 3:21PM EST (link)

we all understand the Nicene Creed refers to a universal church (we Roman Catholics happen to believe we’re it, but I digress) when the Nicene Creed was formulated the idea of capitalization didn’t come up.

“A man does what he can and endures what he must.”

Good enough for me -nt

wayneinnh Thursday, February 4th at 6:30PM EST (link)

Thoughts From a Fallen World

Jon 14:6 -
Jesus said to him, “I am the way, and the truth, and the life; no one comes to the Father but through Me.”

It’s not intellectual to believe we evolved from hydrogen gas.

 
 

well, it's like this..

Veronica Thursday, February 4th at 3:58PM EST (link)

the Nicene Creed came from the Council of Nicea in the 300s, back when Catholicism was the only “Chrisitianity” — way before the Reformation which created protestantism.

http://www.newadvent.org/cathen/11044a.htm

This came about because of Arian heresy — which propposed that Jesus was not both divine and man.

The Nicene Creed was explicitly for Catholics, which was the universal, global church at the time.

“Universal” can still be accurately applied to Catholicism, as it is the only church in the world where you can walk into — be it Russia, Germany, Australia, Sibera or America — and find the exact same liturgy — except in different languages, of course.

Don’t mean to threadjack.

“It will take at least FIVE elections with this concerted effort.

2010 — wrest control of the house and a bit of the Senate.
2012 — elect a strong, fiscal, small government President and take control of the Senate.
2014, 2016, 2018 — Primary moderate Republicans from conservative states / districts and replace them with conservatives.

2016 — Re-elect or primary the person we elect in 2012 depending on how they govern.

2010 to 2020 — Hold their toes to the fire once they get in.”

-Oz.

~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~

“The United Nations is many things, but despite all its standing bodies and prognosticating committees, it is not an international legislature that passes laws binding on all the people of the world. The United Nations has no formal authority to establish or impose law internationally. The U.N. Charter is not a global constitution. The U. N. General Assembly is in no sense a legislature, and the Security Council is a political, not judicial, body. The International Court of Justice (ICJ), or World Court, is best understood as an arbitral panel with a limited jurisdiction and no actual enforcement authority.”
- Casey & Rivkin from Shaefer’s ConUNdrum, p. 31

~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~

I must study politics and war, that our sons may have liberty to study mathematics and philosophy.
- John Adams

~~~~~~~~~~

I’m around.

 
 

To all who posted

thecorruptedlamb Thursday, February 4th at 9:52PM EST (link)

I want to offer my thanks! I have actually learned a lot, and I appreciate it more than you know. We need to strive to breach our differences and fortify our strengths. I have learned over time that you can easily say that “I am a Christian” but it is much harder to live as a Christian. Hopefully we can get to the point that we live in Christ our Lord, and by rote forgive those of us that do not live like us.

In to God’s hands I pray that we can learn to live and love in the peace of Our Lord Jesus Christ, all honor and glory be to God the Father, God the Son, and the Holy Ghost who live and reign together, one God now and forever!

“Wealth is the product of man’s capacity to think” – Ayn Rand [Atlas Shrugged]

Amen brother, because that

i8bugs Friday, February 5th at 6:24AM EST (link)

is what and who we’re fighting for..
BTW, I do need to pray more, I think we all do.

Smart is not always wise, and wisdom trumps smart every time.

On that note-

wayneinnh Friday, February 5th at 11:37AM EST (link)

2 Chronicles 7:14 (NASB) -
(O)and My people who are called by My name humble themselves and pray and seek My face and turn from their wicked ways, then I will hear from heaven, will forgive their sin and will heal their land.

Thoughts From a Fallen World

Jon 14:6 -
Jesus said to him, “I am the way, and the truth, and the life; no one comes to the Father but through Me.”

It’s not intellectual to believe we evolved from hydrogen gas.

 
 
 
 

Hey Bob Casey, Still Feel Like Carrying Obama's Water

Swamp_Yankee Thursday, February 4th at 11:33AM EST (link)

At least one more Dem Senator alienated from Obama. Lincoln and Bayh might soon be able to start a posse.

 

One easy way the Pope could stop the attacks

civil_truth Thursday, February 4th at 11:48AM EST (link)

If he converted to Islam, you could be sure that Harry Knox would be instructed to silence himself immediately, or else he’d be purged for “Islamophobia”.

In today’s hierarchy of protected classes, Muslims rank higher than gays, it would appear.

In this hierarchy, Christians, of course, need to disappear from public sight or else issue public self-critcisms taking responsibility for every ill in history and ritually denoucing their fellow Christians who won’t give obeisance to the party line.

In today’s Newspeak, tolerance = my way or the highway

 

vetting is a joke

irishgirl Thursday, February 4th at 12:07PM EST (link)

in this Administration. Do they honestly think folks won’t notice situations such as these? Unbelieveable.

 

Papal Authority vs. Obama Authority

shadowtax Thursday, February 4th at 12:13PM EST (link)

This thread has gotten me thinking….

The Catholic Church teaches that the Pope has a special charism of infallibility on issues of faith and morals when issuing dogmas, It is an authority seldom used. Before proclaiming a dogma, the Pope consults his brother bishops that are in communion with Rome. In most cases, the dogma only reinforces teachings that had develped over a period of time and grown to be accepted by most bishops and taught to the universal church. A pope (or his successors) will admit to bad management decisions. He confesses his sins to a priest in the way that he instructs his flock to.

The Modern Media teaches that Barrack Obama has a special charisma which will create lasting change in America. The authority is used constantly. Coequal brothers and sisters in the Legislative and Judiciary are intimidated, strong-armed, or bribed. Policy is developed in secret, such that nobody knows what to expect or when to expect it. The President does not make bad management decisions, However, his underlings are tossed under the bus for failure at regular intervals. Obama confesses that his only sin is failure to convert everyone in America to the Change agenda.

Which is supposed to be the more authoritarian and absolute?

 

another step in the secularization of the Faith-Based Initiative

Veronica Thursday, February 4th at 12:16PM EST (link)

Obama’s going to hold to the statements he maide during his campaign speech:

” if you get a federal grant, you can’t use that grant money to proselytize to the people you help and you can’t discriminate against them - or against the people you hire - on the basis of their religion. Second, federal dollars that go directly to churches, temples, and mosques can only be used on secular programs. And we’ll also ensure that taxpayer dollars only go to those programs that actually work”

http://tpmelectioncentral.talkingpointsmemo.com/2008/07/obama_speech_we_can_expand_fai.php

C’mon — letting the Director of a gay activist group head the faith-based inititative?

He’s working on secularizing every aspect of government and schools (Kevin Jennings) and answering to the groups that want to hold him accountable.

http://www.commondreams.org/newswire/2010/02/02-7

Attacking the Pope is the fastest way to do this. He’s the most visible Chrisitian leader. Polarize and discredit him and half the battle’s won.

“It will take at least FIVE elections with this concerted effort.

2010 — wrest control of the house and a bit of the Senate.
2012 — elect a strong, fiscal, small government President and take control of the Senate.
2014, 2016, 2018 — Primary moderate Republicans from conservative states / districts and replace them with conservatives.

2016 — Re-elect or primary the person we elect in 2012 depending on how they govern.

2010 to 2020 — Hold their toes to the fire once they get in.”

-Oz.

~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~

“The United Nations is many things, but despite all its standing bodies and prognosticating committees, it is not an international legislature that passes laws binding on all the people of the world. The United Nations has no formal authority to establish or impose law internationally. The U.N. Charter is not a global constitution. The U. N. General Assembly is in no sense a legislature, and the Security Council is a political, not judicial, body. The International Court of Justice (ICJ), or World Court, is best understood as an arbitral panel with a limited jurisdiction and no actual enforcement authority.”
- Casey & Rivkin from Shaefer’s ConUNdrum, p. 31

~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~

I must study politics and war, that our sons may have liberty to study mathematics and philosophy.
- John Adams

~~~~~~~~~~

I’m around.

correction - Knox sits on the F.B'd Inititative, doesn't head it./nt

Veronica Thursday, February 4th at 12:22PM EST (link)

“It will take at least FIVE elections with this concerted effort.

2010 — wrest control of the house and a bit of the Senate.
2012 — elect a strong, fiscal, small government President and take control of the Senate.
2014, 2016, 2018 — Primary moderate Republicans from conservative states / districts and replace them with conservatives.

2016 — Re-elect or primary the person we elect in 2012 depending on how they govern.

2010 to 2020 — Hold their toes to the fire once they get in.”

-Oz.

~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~

“The United Nations is many things, but despite all its standing bodies and prognosticating committees, it is not an international legislature that passes laws binding on all the people of the world. The United Nations has no formal authority to establish or impose law internationally. The U.N. Charter is not a global constitution. The U. N. General Assembly is in no sense a legislature, and the Security Council is a political, not judicial, body. The International Court of Justice (ICJ), or World Court, is best understood as an arbitral panel with a limited jurisdiction and no actual enforcement authority.”
- Casey & Rivkin from Shaefer’s ConUNdrum, p. 31

~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~

I must study politics and war, that our sons may have liberty to study mathematics and philosophy.
- John Adams

~~~~~~~~~~

I’m around.

 
 

There is a wide chasm between tolerance and promotion

hickorystick Thursday, February 4th at 12:34PM EST (link)

Obama has jumped over it and is actively promoting homosexuality. This Knox guy is just a book-end for Kevin Jennings. That the Presidential Departments are using federal power to directly undermine Christian Doctrine and Education are immeasurably offensive to me. Being the Great-Grandson of an Ulster Scot Presbyterian, this is a direct slap in the face of 300 years of effort to rise out of human ignorance and government domination. And yes, I can say the Pope has done his research and homework, and has science on his side. We as a nation already covered this territory during the Bush Administration arguing over HPV and condom use. Use of a condom does not absolutely protect against transmission of a virus. But I suppose the NE Journal of Medicine are a bunch of Rubes to this Administration too.
http://content.nejm.org/cgi/content/full/354/25/2645
Yes, I will support the Pope on this one.

 

I'm not a Christian

swamphermit Thursday, February 4th at 1:05PM EST (link)

…but still signed the petition. The left has gotten away with such hateful behavior/action for so long that it has become natural for them. Heck, in over 20 years, Obama never saw anything hateful or racist about TUCC and Rev. Wright!?!

 

The Really Disturbing Thing

belcatar Thursday, February 4th at 1:09PM EST (link)

What I find more disturbing than a crazy person in a White House office is the fact that the office exists at all. The executive branch is supposed to be concerned with federal matters. How in the world could a “neighborhood partnership” have anything to do with the President’s job?

It’s disturbing that the President of the United States thinks his authority extends to the administration of programs in individual neighborhoods. An office like this one should operate at the county level at the highest.

How could anyone other than a kook work in an office like that?

 

more Alinsky stuff...

larryp Thursday, February 4th at 3:17PM EST (link)

Use middle class values agaiunst them.
Overwhelm the syslem, tho that is more Cloward-Piven.

More scum-bags heard from,,,,

 

Catholic bashing, pandering and politics

legalizeit Thursday, February 4th at 3:37PM EST (link)

This is the first I’ve heard of this guy, Harry Knox. Judging from his problem quotes, he comes off as a homosexual activist first, Christian second. There’s a better person out there for this White House job.

That said, I’m more concerned when politicians start aligning themselves with true Catholic bashers like John Hagee and Bob Jones. “Whore of Babylon” and “archpriest of Satan”, that’s a whole other level of offensive. I know why they do it–these preachers have large followings–but to freely associate yourself with that kind of venom disqualifies yourself for public office as far as I’m concerned.

So hold me, Mom, in your long arms.
Your petrochemical arms. Your military arms.
In your electronic arms.

Threadjack over

Neil Stevens Thursday, February 4th at 3:44PM EST (link)

Do it repeatedly and I’ll start thinking about disabling your account.

Unlikely Voter: Poll Analysis, Election Projection.
Current Senate Projection: Republicans +7.
Current House Projection: Republicans +58

Give to the NRCC to fire Nancy Pelosi in November. Become a Precinct Committeeman to fire Michael Steele in December.

Get in line: legalizeit was using a disposable email service.

Moe Lane Thursday, February 4th at 3:52PM EST (link)
 
 

Two Additional Questions that need answering that link this to Corporate 1st Amendment Rights

Veronica Thursday, February 4th at 5:33PM EST (link)

Why does the Obama Administration’s allow, Richard Knox, who sits on his Faith-Based and Neighborhood Partnerships Advisory County, to castigate the Pope?

When will the Obama Administration kill corporate finance and support of Knox’s Human Rights Campaign, a floodgate to campaigning for gay interests as it “works for lesbian, gay, bisexual and transgender equal rights by lobbying the federal government, educating the public, participating in election campaigns“?

Played around with it here:

http://veronicaestrada.com/blog/2010/02/04/forcing-the-corporate-1st-amendment-issue-on-obama-as-he-allows-knox-to-diss-the-pope/

“It will take at least FIVE elections with this concerted effort.

2010 — wrest control of the house and a bit of the Senate.
2012 — elect a strong, fiscal, small government President and take control of the Senate.
2014, 2016, 2018 — Primary moderate Republicans from conservative states / districts and replace them with conservatives.

2016 — Re-elect or primary the person we elect in 2012 depending on how they govern.

2010 to 2020 — Hold their toes to the fire once they get in.”

-Oz.

~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~

“The United Nations is many things, but despite all its standing bodies and prognosticating committees, it is not an international legislature that passes laws binding on all the people of the world. The United Nations has no formal authority to establish or impose law internationally. The U.N. Charter is not a global constitution. The U. N. General Assembly is in no sense a legislature, and the Security Council is a political, not judicial, body. The International Court of Justice (ICJ), or World Court, is best understood as an arbitral panel with a limited jurisdiction and no actual enforcement authority.”
- Casey & Rivkin from Shaefer’s ConUNdrum, p. 31

~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~

I must study politics and war, that our sons may have liberty to study mathematics and philosophy.
- John Adams

~~~~~~~~~~

I’m around.

 

Based on Faith we move toward 2010 change

morstar150 Thursday, February 4th at 5:53PM EST (link)

As a Catholic, I thank all who have expressed indignation about the insulting behavior of Knox and this administration, especially for those who declare that they are of other denominations.

We as Catholics and all of us as Christians have felt the pain of ridicule based on faith. Although the First Amendment to the Bill of Rights states that we are protected in our faith, this truth is constantly undermined. The examples are too many to repeat. The most recent before Knox is the attempt to force religious institutions to perform abortions and to rid staff in those institutions of persons who cannot in faith perform that practice, as if people who believe in the sancity of life are somehow less than others.

I could go on but I won’t. Just want to thank everyone for feeling our pain.

The enemy of the truth is very often not the lie - deliberate, contrived, and dishonest - but the myth-persistent, persuasive, and unrealistic. JFK

 

That's right, kill the goose that lays the golden egg...

Crowe Friday, February 5th at 12:40AM EST (link)

The Catholic Church, its religious orders, and the thousands of charitable agencies attached to it or organized in its name (hospitals, schools, universities, orphanages, food banks, thrift shops, hospices, etc., etc., etc.) is the largest charitable institution and network on earth. More people with AIDS are aided in their illness than by anyone else (the vast majority of whom, incidentally, wouldn’t have AIDS at all if they had at least tried to live according to Catholic moral principles).

From a purely practical standpoint this is a stupid move by Obama. If there is any desire to actually help people, putting a guy in place who gives every indication of trying to exclude the number one player in the field is not a smart way to go.

Not that I’m in the least surprised. If there’s one thing this administration has been it’s been beyond caricature. No overreach, ridiculous activity, or asinine policy position is beyond these yahoos.

“We sleep soundly in our beds only because rough men stand ready in the night to visit violence upon those who would do us harm Dear Leader Obama gives us leave to do so.”

Not an accident

petrarch Friday, February 5th at 10:02AM EST (link)

Actually, I think that’s on purpose. Obama & Co WANT the Catholic Church booted out of all visible charity work (hospitals, adoption, etc). This will of course create a huge vacuum for needed services, and Guess Who will have no choice but to swoop in and fill it?

Obama truly believes that religion is just some guy talking in a sanctuary, and should never been seen nor heard from anywhere else. Government is his true religion.

Scragged - Conservative Online Opinion Magazine

Part of his naivete. And the grandeur of the Church.

Crowe Friday, February 5th at 11:43AM EST (link)

He’s just the latest in a millennia-old line of egoistical secular rulers who think the papists and all their influence can be dispatched. And he’ll have the same status in the annals (anals?) of history as the rest of them: a chapter, or just a paragraph, discussing his brand of the same old efforts. Meantime, the papists will go from age to age upholding the rights and dignity of individuals, helping the soul and body get to heaven, resisting all pseudo-scientific social reordering and the denigration of the human person.

The SS Obama will crash against the Rock like all his predecessors.

Amazing how old, but young, I feel as a Catholic realizing and writing that.

“Late have I loved thee, beauty ever ancient ever new, late have I loved thee!” –St. Augustine.

“We sleep soundly in our beds only because rough men stand ready in the night to visit violence upon those who would do us harm Dear Leader Obama gives us leave to do so.”

not naivete, Crowe.

Veronica Friday, February 5th at 12:17PM EST (link)

calculated.

great response, ty.

very inspiring.

“It will take at least FIVE elections with this concerted effort.

2010 — wrest control of the house and a bit of the Senate.
2012 — elect a strong, fiscal, small government President and take control of the Senate.
2014, 2016, 2018 — Primary moderate Republicans from conservative states / districts and replace them with conservatives.

2016 — Re-elect or primary the person we elect in 2012 depending on how they govern.

2010 to 2020 — Hold their toes to the fire once they get in.”

-Oz.

~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~

“The United Nations is many things, but despite all its standing bodies and prognosticating committees, it is not an international legislature that passes laws binding on all the people of the world. The United Nations has no formal authority to establish or impose law internationally. The U.N. Charter is not a global constitution. The U. N. General Assembly is in no sense a legislature, and the Security Council is a political, not judicial, body. The International Court of Justice (ICJ), or World Court, is best understood as an arbitral panel with a limited jurisdiction and no actual enforcement authority.”
- Casey & Rivkin from Shaefer’s ConUNdrum, p. 31

~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~

I must study politics and war, that our sons may have liberty to study mathematics and philosophy.
- John Adams

~~~~~~~~~~

I’m around.

Sure it's calculated...

Crowe Friday, February 5th at 1:19PM EST (link)

…but calculations based on naive notions are still naivete.

If anything i wrote is inspiring it’s because the grandeur of the Church in some way shone through my mean thoughts.

“We sleep soundly in our beds only because rough men stand ready in the night to visit violence upon those who would do us harm Dear Leader Obama gives us leave to do so.”

 
 
 
 
 

Faith in Who?

DirtyDave Friday, February 5th at 8:39AM EST (link)

Which faith are we talking about? I think Mr. Knox is head of the First Church of Obama. We must have faith in Him. If we would only surrender to the Obama, all would be good and righteous. Never mind that Judeo Christian stuff. They have real standards and are not much fun.

The Obama has cocktails every Wednesday evening paid for by his parishioners, the American taxpayer and the Chinese government.

Dave LeBlanc
There are no such things as limits to growth, because there are no limits on the human capacity for intelligence, imagination and wonder.
- President Ronald Reagan
Once we had the above. Now we just get wee-weed up.

 

The real problem is that the OFBNP exists in the first place

wendy Friday, February 5th at 11:42AM EST (link)

There should be no such thing as government funding for faith-based initiatives. Having government fund private charity is unconstitutional and a violation of the individual rights of the taxpayer, groups opposed to the recipient organizations, and competing charitable organizations. Republicans should have opposed the idea when Bush pushed it, and they should denounce the idea now. The truth is that the religious organizations got greedy and decided to steamroll the Constitution, and they got away with it because Bush was a left-of-center and conservatives did not put a stop to it because they were bedazzled and bamboozled by all that “compassion” nonsense.

It is hypocritical to denounce Barack Obama’s redistribution schemes as long as you support this one, and anyone who did support it has no right to complain now that a Democrat is running this statist scheme the way HE sees fit; you should have seen this coming. The fact that the loot is redistributed by private religious organizations as opposed to the government does not in any way mitigate or excuse it. It is wrong. It’s time for conservatives to do a 180 on this issue to preserve the integrity of the movement.

 

It may be a

olddog Saturday, February 6th at 12:41AM EST (link)

strategy of division, misdirection , disinformation. and destruction of the foundations, the Constitution, our belief systems, indoctrination instead of education,and finally the financial destruction of our monetary system. all these things, to weaken us, toward, what ever goal, that the fascist in chief has in mind for the rest of us. I’m old enough to remember another narcissist, who caused great harm,to many folks,through his belief system!
Support our Troops!!
One Old Dog

 

Defending Christianity; "Catholic" Issue

vaguy Saturday, February 6th at 12:47AM EST (link)

It is heartening to see that so many have written to express their rightful outrage at the appointment of yet another anti-faith bigot by this Administration. And, I agree with those who state that this goes beyond “stupidity:” it is a deliberate and cynical attack on American and Judeo-Christian values. One small ray of hope against this onslaught of in-your-face immorality occurred yesterday, when the Senate once again delayed the nomination of yet another child and Catholic-hating demagogue.

On the issue of “Catholic” v. “catholic,” the lower case “c” has, indeed, been used for nearly 2,000 years to describe a universal Christian Church. That Church, however, does not in reality equate to the Roman Catholic Church of today. The Church founded by Jesus Christ and the Apostles was one. However, Acts 11: 26 tells us, “…the disciples were first called Christians in Antioch.” This original Christian Church developed into many “patriarchates,” of which Rome was one. All of the patriarchs were considered equal, although Rome was eventually said to be regarded as “first among equals” in light of the Roman Emperor Constantine’s decision to stop the murder of Christians in the early 300s and to declare Christianity as new faith of the Roman Empire. All of the patriarchates continued in the “one and equal” tradition until approximately 1054, when the Roman patriarch declared himself Pope over all and sought to “excommunicate” all of the other patriarchs. Being the supreme political and military commander in the West, he was able to pull this off within much of the West. However, in spite of Rome’s decision to essentially start its own church, the other patriarchates continued, the 1,000 year old catholic tradition -centered where it was founded by Christ and the Apostles- and continue to this day in the practice and growth of the original faith throughout the world as the Orthodox Church. There are currently over 25 million Orthodox Christians across the globe. A helpful summary of all of this may be found at: http://www.gettoknowtheoriginal.net/

I do look forward to the day when all Christians are members of a universal, catholic church. And, none of the above is meant to imply in any way that those who identify themselves as Roman Catholic or as other Christians are “totally wrong” or that their spirituality is “faulty.” However, we cannot attain unity by re-writing history and asserting domination where none exists. Humility and respect for God’s Word are key to our moving forward here. Heaven knows we have never had so great a need to focus our attention on what God would have us do.

 

Let no day go by...

martyinaz Saturday, February 6th at 1:42AM EST (link)

without a prayer. I am beholden to no organized religion. I did for some years and experienced far too much hypocrisy. Today I have a stronger faith in our Almighty Father, and no day ends without giving Him thanks through our Savior Jesus Christ. God will forgive you if you do not praise Him, but can you forgive yourself? When you close your eyes at the end of the day, take a moment and thank Him for all your blessings. Ask Him to bless and protect your family and friends. And don’t forget our military, our police and firemen, they need His blessings as well.

That's a cop out that I can't let you get away with, marty

civil_truth Saturday, February 6th at 2:28AM EST (link)

…without at least calling you on it.

1) You’re not going to find an perfect institution this side of heaven (and as the old joke goes, “If I found a perfect church, I wouldn’t dare join it because it wouldn’t be perfect anymore”.) But the bigger point is that…

2) We need each other: coals go out when they’re not in proximity with other coals - and the work of the Lord can only be done by an (imperfect) group - and it’s that imperfection through which Grace can work

3) The cop-out? By disassociating yourself from an organized group of Christians, you’re evading accountability. And the necessary task of getting your rough edges sculpted out by grinding against other Christians in the church.

So get back in the battle and make a difference in a church. Your gifts and talents are needed to complement what’s missing somewhere, in the place God has for you.

 
 

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