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The Obama Trap and the GOP

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That picture above is a Reuters picture from this Politico column back in September. Remember that? Democrats returned to Washington after being battered all of August over the health care plans. Barack Obama decided to rebuild their energy and so he spoke at a joint session of Congress to talk health care.

Throughout the speech he said he wanted to hear about GOP counter-proposals and repeatedly accused them of having none. Every time, congressional Republicans held up their proposals so he could see they did have counter-proposals.

Nonetheless, from that speech in September until today, Barack Obama has insisted the GOP had no proposals. He insisted the Democrats work behind closed doors and shut out the GOP.

Now, because the House Republicans gave the President a chance to improve his image at their retreat, Obama wants to sit down with Republicans at his guest house in front of TV cameras and discuss the proposals the GOP has had all along that he pretends he knew nothing about.

If Barack Obama cannot be genuine and interested in Republican ideas when the cameras are turned off, there is absolutely no way he can be genuine and sincere with the cameras turned on.

The GOP is often referred to as the stupid party. Let’s pray they aren’t stupid enough to sit down with a President who has for six months dismissed them as having no ideas. Barack Obama says he wants a bipartisan approach to health care now. Well, there is bipartisan support for scrapping the current proposals and starting over.

Unless Barack Obama says they should scrap the present plans and start over, the GOP should not entertain his invitation to use a gaggle of Republicans to rehabilitate our socialist President.

COMMENTS

  • http://www.laborunionreport.blogspot.com LaborUnionReport

    This is a trap of the grandest proportions. BHO has the bully puplit of the MSM to ridicule the GOP ideas AFTER the meeting.

    HOWEVER, if the GOP backs away now, they’ll be made to look foolish. The WH will use it to claim the GOP is the party of no ideas…or, worse, cowards…only out for its own gains.

    The BEST thing they can do is take to the airwaves NOW and start calling it what it is, a media stunt by BHO…

    They need to emphasize that they fully expect BHO to use this as a propaganda meet-and-greet and that they expect BHO to claim it is b-partisan and then completely ignore everything the GOP has to offer.

    They need to get out NOW with media points on their plan.

    If they wait until after the meeting, they are going to lose the PR war.

    There is no compromise on a socialist agenda–you’re either for it, or your against it. BUT to back down from the fight will be worse.

  • http://www.ArchitecturalShots.com mdyou

    And neither will the rest of the Dems. Stymie these fools until we get the Congress back, then pass Paul Ryan’s plan intact.

  • http://www.letfreedomringblog.com ggross56

    I wrote in this post that President Obama views this as a presidential photo op but that the GOP should insist that any health care legislation contain robust lawsuit abuse reform. If President Obama isn’t willing to agree to that, then the GOP should issue a statement that President Obama isn’t serious about reaching bipartisan agreement on health care reform.

  • http://dezignworx-ae.com tsquare

    We sit watching the hero on the screen… watch him(her) edging ever closer to the door… the door the wolfman/vampire/mummy/bad guy is behind and we scream:

    “Don’t go in there! It’s a trap!”

    Hope that they don’t…

    Know that they will…

  • http://www.neoavatara.com/blog neoavatara

    …but not for the GOP, if they play their cards right.

    They should say they are willing to compromise, given a few key things: real tort reform, individual ability of equal tax treatment of insurance costs, end restrictions on interstate sales of insurance. You start with that. Say they are non-negotiable to start the conversation.

    Obama has tacitally supported tort reform, and the above recommendations. It should sound very reasonable. If he backs away, then it will be his fault. And Pelosi, for one, has already said tort reform is a nonstarter.

    This can be an ideal setting to show who is less for compromise. But, I agree, it is a dangerous game to play.

  • wgsampson

    they need to remind everyone that, according to BHO, the only problem with the current legislation (House or Senate) is that he hasn’t communicated the plans to the people well enough. So those plans must be just fine the way they are.

    And, the GOP needs to say that they have been communicating their ideas for almost a year now, and BHO wasn’t interested. So, if Obama really wants to see the ideas he just needs to go to the website.

    Finally, the GOP needs to say that they have moved on to the issue most important to the American people – JOBS.

  • snowshooze

    Obama knows this.
    It’s a hunting trip.
    If handled correctly, it could be turned to our benefit.
    But it would only take one idiot to blow this up and make it bi-partisan.
    Compromise is a luxury we cannot afford. Not on this.

  • AngryMatt

    Our side was not prepared at all for the Q&A session at the House conference. While I don’t agree that we got taken to the woodshed like some liberal hacks argued, we also didn’t “fight to a draw.” Our side figured Obama would stumble all over himself without a teleprompter and we were wrong.

    Now that all said, it was more political theater than anything and I think this meeting will be the same. The momentum is clearly on our side so all we have to do is ensure that we don’t lose it. Just go in, play it close to the vest, make your points, be respectful but firm to avoid appearing “obstructionist” to the indy voters and don’t try for some knockout blow. There’s a long way until the midterms and many political lifetimes until 2012.

    This trap is easy to sidestep provided we don’t view this as a fair fight or even a good opportunity to score big points. Recognize it as a last gasp strategy and just avoid giving the other side any more air.

  • jimmuy8

    The man who would meet with Iran without preconditions–but has not made any sort of attempt to do so–wants the GOP to lend him credibility.

    How dangerous is it for the GOP to even consider this? With both the bully pulpit and the MSM aligned against them, I suggest the only safe route is no meeting at all. This is a viper with a head at each end. Let The Won scuttle the meeting.

    Maybe a “let the American people decide” with a photo of the GOP plan next to the encyclopedia stack put forth by The Won with poll after poll showing the American people do not want his plan?

    We don’t need a meeting, the American people have spoken loud and clear.

  • archer52

    The GOP will screw this moment up. Some still believe the key is to “out dem” the dems, which is a mistake. People are ready to hear the bad news about their situation IF there is a plan to get out.

    Outside the small percentage of hard core freeloaders, most Americans are willing to sacrifice if it will save their children’s future.

    Or at least I am. I lay awake at night wondering how bad it is really going to get. We cannot continue to live beyond our means. SS just went red, years before it should have.

  • crosley

    Obama is flailing on his signature domestic issue, and Republicans are trying to throw him a life preserver.

    Republicans should just let Obama and Congressional Democrats wallow in this failure. Nothing “conservative” is going to come from Obama, Pelosi and Reid, so why even pretend that these pow wows are useful. All Republicans are doing is giving Obama cover that he’s open to bipartisan solutions to health care reform (which he’s not). The absolute best thing Republicans can do, both in terms of policy and politics is to make sure Democrats fail on health care reform.

    Republicans can campaign on how to fix healthcare AFTER this bill is dead and as the midterm elections draws near.

  • Ann_W

    If Repub’s insisted on being given all 2000 whatever pages of the healthcare bill a couple of weeks before and then had someone bright and informed like Paul Ryan go in it could work very well. Each topic would be responded to with, “Our solution for this issue is…” and “here are the problems in the House and Senate bills on this issue…” Any Repub’s who go in would have to be sync’ed up with several soundbite length synopses of the whole plan so that the message will have to get out. The Repub’s would also need to repititiously cover waste and corruption in the existing bills, so that those bills are not the starting point.

    A question and answer format WILL NOT work, because the President can spin and reframe the question and even lie in his answer and will not ever get called on it by the media. Then the Republicans look like fools with, “Well, technically what we said was true…” and “See he did admit we had a plan,” when the media showed no such sound bite. Obama got every last word. The Repub.’s need a point man on this– not one of the leadership.

  • Ann_W

    of the “party of no.”

    It will happen. It has to be done smartly.

  • inspectorudy

    If the R’s would have a big black board with their 5 or 6 proposals numbered on it and make him go over each one without letting him getting off subject they could have him on video either agreeing or disagreeing with the individual items.

    !. Tort reform.
    2. Ins portability and no benefit to employer for providing health ins.
    3. ins across state lines with no state mandates.
    4. Pre-existing condition pool made up of ins companies and the gov.
    5. Tax credit on ALL ins premiums and medical expenses.
    6. Poor people would be subsidized with BASIC ins from all companies.

    If he had to take each one and tell why he was against it, it would go a long way towards explaining his true intentions. And anyone of these items could be passed independently of the others.

  • benko

    “Healthcare reform” is dead.

    Nothing good can come of this.

  • Ausonius

    Lie to him first! Quite innocently of course! :)

    Start the conference by saying that you are glad that the president has agreed to start over, that he has agreed to reform the corrupt tort system, that he has agreed to stop lying about how the Republicans have no plan, and that he has accepted most of the Republican plan, since the American people have obviously rejected everything from the Dems.

    After he gets done choking and back-pedaling, you stand up and say: “We are sorry, Mr. President, but you told us quite differently earlier. If you have already again changed your mind about compromising, then we have nothing left to talk about, and you need to apologize – again – to the American people.”

    Then walk out!

    And which Republican has the nerve to carry this off?

  • Ausonius

    Lie to him first! Quite innocently of course! :)

    Start the conference by saying that you are glad that the president has agreed to start over, that he has agreed to reform the corrupt tort system, that he has agreed to stop lying about how the Republicans have no plan, and that he has accepted most of the Republican plan, since the American people have obviously rejected everything from the Dems.

    After he gets done choking and back-pedaling, you stand up and say: “We are sorry, Mr. President, but you told us quite differently earlier. If you have already again changed your mind about compromising, then we have nothing left to talk about, and you need to apologize – again – to the American people.”

    Then walk out!

    And which Republican has the nerve to carry this off?

  • RealQuiet

    It’s that simple.

  • gman2008

    How about a letter to Obama:

    “Mr. President:

    We accept your invitation. In the spirit of bipartisanship we also suggest that the agenda consist of six items, of 30 minutes each, with half of the items and presentation chosen by us, and half by you, the Speaker and The Majority Leader.

    We suggest that these presentations be staggered, one from one party followed by one from the other party, and have no objection to going first or second.

    Our three points will be:

    1. There can be no comprehensive health care cost control and thus no real health care reform without tort reform. In addition to a national cap on pain and suffering damages similar to California’s, we will offer some other keys to controlling the cost of defensive medicine in this country. We urge you to ask your colleagues to refrain from immediately rushing to the defense of the plaintiffs’ bar. The only way to stop the rising cost of medicine is to stop the need for doctors to practice with a lawyer on both shoulders.

    2. There is an enormous need for an interstate market in health care policies. We should move immediately to eliminate this artificial and extremely expensive obstacle to the lowering of the cost of health insurance.

    3. There can be no long term confidence in our health care system without confidence in a growing, vibrant and robust economy, one freed from crippling entitlement debt and massive borrowing. Therefore we will use our last presentation to acquaint you and your colleagues with the details of Congressman Paul Ryan’s “Roadmap,” which we believe could be enacted in parallel with comprehensive health care reform thus setting our domestic policy house in order.

    We look forward to the meeting Mr. President, and urge a similar one be scheduled on national security matters so we could persuade you to abandon the the decision to try KSM in civilian court in America and to offer Miranda rights to terrorists past and future.

    Sincerely,

    John Boehner and Mitch McConnell”

    Republicans should have as much say in the staging of the event and how the event will be physically perceived by the public. Rules should be set regarding question and answer times.

    Also

    But what they really should do is ask Obama to promise ? right there on TV ? to veto any bills related to healthcare passed through the budget reconciliation process. If Obama is truly interested in passing a bipartisan bill, he cannot support efforts to ram an unpopular bill through without Republican support, outside the normal legislative process. The only way that Obama can force Pelosi and Reid to act in a bipartisan manner is to promise he will veto any bill passed through, or as a companion to, budget reconciliation.

    Of course, Obama will never do that ? but his refusal to commit to a bipartisan process will be out in the open, as opposed to hidden, where it is now.

  • RealQuiet

    Unless Dems agree to start over health care from square one.

  • bobojake
  • gman2008

    during his last get together with Repubicans:

    Obama wants to spend half a day on a bipartisan health care summit reforming one sixth of the US economy. My tirade is below, but my other issue is that Obama will just make stuff up and no one in the media will challenge him.

    By way of example, while Washington was distracted by the big snow storm outside, Obama delivered his own snow job in an addres to DNC donors (my emphasis):

    I got a letter — I got a note today from one of my staff — they forwarded it to me — from a woman in St. Louis who had been part of our campaign, very active, who had passed away from breast cancer. She didn’t have insurance. She couldn’t afford it, so she had put off having the kind of exams that she needed. And she had fought a tough battle for four years. All through the campaign she was fighting it, but finally she succumbed to it. And she insisted she’s going to be buried in an Obama t-shirt.

    The woman had a name – Melanie Shouse (confirmed with the White House by Sunlen Miller of ABC News). She also had insurance. Details of her story vary a bit (links here), but she had a catastrophic policy with a $5,000 deductible; with copays, her annual medical bills would have run about $8,000 to $10,000 per year, by her estimates.

    Ms. Shouse, who was by all accounts a real dynamo, had just maxed out her credit cards to put $30,000 into a small business when she felt a lump in her breast at about age 37. From her statement:

    I had to take the ultimate risk with my health in order to chase the American Dream, like so many small business owners in America today. So when I first felt a small lump, denial seemed the only option available to me.

    In a taped interview (start at 2:00) she says she went with the “denial” strategy for several years; eventually she got a diagnosis, promptly qualified for Medicaid, and began treatment too late.

    It’s a very sad story but the takeaway is more complicated than “she had no insurance”.

    When Hillary told a story on the campaign trail of a woman with no insurance the Times investigative machine tracked down the truth. I have no doubt that once the snow clears the Times will apply the same diligent standard to Obama.

  • majorkong

    The democrat’s completely own this debacle. Republicans should stress that they are not the party of “NO”, they are the party of “HELL NO!” when it comes to healthcare reform. Why do I have the uneasy feeling that someone like Lindsey Grahm is going to reach out?

  • AngryMatt

    Especially that all of those items could be passed independently.

    And furthermore, I think the GOP should press incredibly hard on the Medicare/Medicaid fixes. If there is $500 billion in savings to be had right now, why not immediately pass a bill on that. If the Dems are correct on that issue, who would object to saving half a trillion dollars?!

  • Jonbontx

    on health care reform. The GOP needs to be front and center at every TV camera and news show, saying that the One is not being honest on wanting bipartianship, because he is not willing to start over. They also need to be hammering home that the majority of Americans do not want the bills passed already.

    Has anybody heard what the thinking is of the GOP on this joke of a summitt???

  • redneck_hippie

    The response to the trap should be written in form. Firstly, negotiating with a liar is dumb. #2 The purpose is obviously for propaganda purposes, not to accomplish anything worthwhile.

    The premise is that health care is salvageable before the end of the year. Change the premise to health care is not to be tackled until people have been put back to work.

    This could be like a parliamentarian remonstrance which the French used before the revolution. Slap the president for being two-faced in the SOTU when he told us he would make jobs his #1.

  • LibertarianHawk

    Obama looks at this as a win-win…..

    - If Republicans take him up on the offer and come up with their own set of unpleasant fixes (to, I might add, a healthcare system that has been plagued primarily by policy-induced problems) to set beside his set of unpleasant fixes, then Democratic candidates in the fall can say “See, our plan isn’t so bad…compared to this one.”

    - If Republicans pass on the offer, then Obama thinks he and the Democrats will gain by further supporting the “Party of No” charge and putting doubts in voters’ minds that Republicans are prepared to govern.

    Well, I don’t think that being the “Party of No” has hurt Republicans in the least — quite the contrary. They’re saying “No” to things voters don’t like. Republicans shouldn’t shy from the label, they should wear it proudly.

    However, if Obama wants to make a genuine gesture to include Republicans on the healthcare reform debate after nearly a year of proudly excluding them, then he’ll have to start by allowing both the Senate and House versions of HCR to be voted on by the other body and defeated.

    Otherwise, there’s not a single thing for Republicans to gain by taking part in this act of desperation. All they would be doing is throwing him and the Democrats a lifeline after they gleefully jumped in the pit of quicksand.

  • louisiana

    should carry in a copy of the 2000+ health care bill & set it on the table. It’s a visual that shows the stupidity of this bill that O & the MSM cannot deny. O will deliver his lecture of lies. The first words the R’s should speak should be something like: “Mr. P, we, like the American people, are really more concerned about jobs & the economy. However, if you insist on concentrating on healthcare instead, we insist that we scrap this bill & start over.” If he starts the blame Bush crap, then they need to ask him straight out, “on what date do you plan on accepting any responsibility for your actions/ inactions. R’s need to go after him like Cruise did Nicholson on a “Few Good Men”. His narcissitic mask will crumble.

  • snowshooze

    Obviously, as he is holding us hostage until Health Care Reform is passed before he will address the $500 Billion.
    Fraud is a crime and must be prosecuted. Waste and abuse are only allowed by poor management. Failure to prosecute fraud is also poor management, and should be viewed as criminal of itself by the logic of malfeasance of office, dereliction of duty, insubordination, gross incompetence… I dunno.
    This needs to be driven down his throat as it was he that brought up the $500 Billion….

  • tngal

    Sorry about posting here, but I’ll leave it up to someone else to do a diary if they wish. Rep John Murtha- D Pennsylavania, died short while ago. (Breitbart, Politico, google news take your pick on the link they’ve all got it. )

  • LibertarianHawk

    Because I agree that their response to the, ahem, invitation should basically be that: show us that you’re serious about receiving our input, and we’ll give it to you. Continue to show that you’re not serious about it, then we’ll continue watching you swirl down the political drain.

    And, yeah, they’d do well to couch that response around the issue of jobs — if for no other reason than to remind people that both the President and Congressional Dems have been saying that jobs will be the top priority this year and that a televised summit on healthcare reform has nothing to do with that.

    But, no, I don’t think they should show up and then be obstinate about what they’re doing there. That would clearly backfire — because the Prez would look magnanimous and they’d look petulant.

    They should just issue a list of conditions under which they’ll take part. They’ve got the political leverage to do that, after all. And I don’t think they stand to lose much by refusing to take part in an effort to revive legislation that has 35% public support.

    Atop that list of conditions should be that both the Senate and House bills are defeated by the other body in such a way that they cannot be brought back up again in this session.

    I appreciate that Obama wants to jump-start his stalled healthcare reform without actually REstarting it. I would too if I were in his shoes.

    But I’m not sure that he’s warmed up to the concept that he doesn’t carry the political stick to demand Republicans come to the table on this on his terms.

  • patriotparty1

    that they are more than happy to sit down and discuss the economy and jobs because that is what the American people have made clear is important to them. They should say that the people want health care pushed to the end of the line and that is what they are focused on.

    They should sound surprised at Obama and say that they thought after Mass. that everyone had heard the people’s will and that dems were going to drop health care and the bills that the people hate.

    If Obama wants to shread those bills and work on the economy and at some point start all over in a bipartisan way on health care they will be more than happy to offer their ideas, but until he drops the socialism, and government takeover that the people hate they just cannot participate in what they know the people do not want.

    It is up to Obama and dems. If they want to be bipartisian, dump the old bills and work together on jobs and the economy. Then repubs will work with them later on health care.

    Deal or no deal, you choose but know the people are watching your transparant game at transparancy after a year behind closed doors with them locked out and we are not falling for it now.

  • california_red

    “It’s a trap.”

    Obama thinks he can rgain independent support by appearing to consult with the GOP. It is all for show. Obama cares not about healthcare for the American people. He only cares about power for the Democrats and the Federal Government.

  • WarEagle01

    Completely. Start from scratch. Barry, not to mention Dingy Harry and Nancy, will obviously not go for that, but the GOP needs to push that meme and stick with it. McConnell and Boehner should be out there saying “we wanted to have a meeting but it would have been completely pointless since our ideas clearly would not be considered.” The messaging needs to start NOW.

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  • redneck_hippie

    http://republicanleader.house.gov/News/DocumentSingle.aspx?DocumentID=169716

    via hotair

  • Ausonius

    Diane Sawyer – a conduit connected to the sewer rat known as Rahm – launched an attack on Republicans tonight as “The Party of No,” complete with a slanted piece on the hold placed in the Senate on 80 nominations, as if every person nominated is an upright all-around American crucial to the operation of the country, and not in fact worthless leftist hacks who should be bagging groceries down at Kroger’s.

    Pure MSM propaganda.

    The piece is not yet available online, although other pieces shown tonight (“The Power of Half”) are available on the ABC website.

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  • jrg50

    “It’s a Cookbook” !! What idiot is going to fall for this crap ?
    How many ways can you spell ‘setup’ ? Does the boss actually think that anyone is so stupid as to fall for this. This guy’s agenda is painted Neon Yellow.

    However it does demand action from the Repubs. And regardless their rhetoric to the contrary…it may force their hand in at least attempting to put up an alternative plan of action. It could very easily be turned right back against O and the Crew by laying ground rules.

    Why not try a very novel approach for once. Find a Repub leader with some balls to confront the Pres straight up and get him to agree, on TV, that the entire system is broken and unsustainable long term. He’ll agree. Then say, then if this is in fact true, instead of trying to hide or deny that fact with more smoke and mirrors…then let’s agree, to tell the American people the bold faced , ugly TRUTH. That if we want a better health care system, we need to FIX THE EXISTING SYSTEM….and to do so …. means it is going to hurt and will change things…across the board, and will affect everyone one of us.

    Will you take that step Mr. Pres , will you join with the Repubs and issue this blast of reality to the people. Most of them with any common sense know it already. Why not affirm the fact from the highest office and be a leader. It might be shocking to see the people actually face the realities and WANT to do the things needed to fix the problems….regardless the pain. Adversity has built the American character. It’s part of our legacy.

    We all know this will happen when pigs go flying by our windows. As long as a political career is a path to personal empire building we are going to get exactly what we are getting. These people are bought and sold daily in the markeplace by special interests and driven by personal greed. Not all of them of course, but
    the arguement can be made that Washington presents this picture.

    If by some quirk of fate, or the hand of God made the above scenario play out, we might actually see some positive change come to this country and take us out of the death spiral we are falling into. The above actions would kill the current health care deformation dead in its tracks.

    Then maybe we could get a bipartisaned effort at doing the hard work of what is right for the entire country. That goal, or ideal, seems to be missing from the collective minds of our elected elite.

    Fix the economy first. Nobody wants to do anything when their wallets are empty, they fear losing their job, and continually get their name co-signed to the rampant burgeoning debt of an out of control teenage who stole the credit cards and are on spending blitzkreig.

    Once again, I say thank God for this administration, and the problems that we face in this country today. If it takes that to wake us up…then so be it. Until we stand up collectively and stop the game in progress, we deserve to live in Fantasy land.

  • dudette

    Is it the two leaders of the bodies-McConnell and Boehner or is the NRC also involved? Will they listen to us??? WHo maps the big plan as far as game? I see this as a great possibility if they don’t cooperate but STICK to their principles—THE PRINCIPLES OUTLINED BY THE TEAPARTIERS…limited govt and no more spending and come up with creative free market solutions for healthcare…I hope they dont mess up. We lose the momentum for the elections if we blunt our sword with some “compromise” attitude….and the tea party wrath will be turned directly agianst us–believe me, a lot of them were nearly ready to slice and dice the GOP anyway

  • doncorleone

    To think that this adminstration would deviate from the alinsky game plan is kind of surprising. Especially, seeing how much conservatives have known, and the independents that have finally caught on, how obama has, and will conduct himself. Use the people who oppose you and their rules against them, then, freeze and isolate them in your headlights,(the very friendly state-run media). Unless they play this correctly, the republicans will not be able to fix this afterwards, like the progressives believe they can with their health care scam.

  • edintexas

    FNC is reporting that the Repubs have stated two “Pre-Conditions” to engaging in talks:

    1. The current bill(s) must be scrapped and the effort start anew; and,

    2. The President guarantee that no effort will be made to use “Reconciliation” to avoid the 60 votes necessary for ending debate.

    FNC also is reporting that the President considers these as simply negotiating positions and that neither condition will be met by the Democrats.

    There might be hope that the Repubs will finally shake their image as the “Stupid Party” – though I won’t hold my breath. They should stick to their two stated requirements, and loudly and repeatedly hold news conferences to put their position, and the fact that they have had their input ignored for almost a year, before the public. But I also won’t hold my breath that the MSM would put that before the public.

  • edintexas

    It was just the characters, which he played so well, which were more than a little lacking. :-)

  • edintexas

    You apparently believe eliminating the tax benefit to employers, causing them to stop providing health insurance to their employees, would be a good selling point for the Republicans. And equally apparent is that the requirement for portability would make all health insurance an individually purchased commodity. I don’t see how else it would work, but please enlighten me if you know how it would work with employers still providing insurance.

    Employers consider providing health insurance to be part of the remuneration of the employee (and obviously, it is). But in this economic situation, if an employer dropped health insurance, I don’t believe there is a prayer that the employer would increase base pay to keep the employee’s salary and benefits package equal. So please inform me as to why this would be popular with the citizens, most of whom obtain their health insurance from their employers.

    Oh, and “poor people” already get coverage – it’s called Medicaid.

    Seems to me you are simply in favor of the government having more than their current 50% control of health care spending.

  • Achance

    to buy a machine or out-source rather than pay an employee. A huge amount of the job loss due to automation in this Country is not because of any inherently better efficiency on the machine’s part but rather because the machine can be expensed off and depreciated whereas the employee is just an ongoing expense. On the assumption that wages would go up if the employer stopped providing health insurance, not a safe assumption in any times and certainly not in these times, you will have just made the employee and the employer liable for all the payroll taxes and employer matches on that additional income. It won’t take long for employers to adapt to that new economic reality.

    1- As much as I support tort reform, I just don’t see how my state’s liability laws are the US Government’s business except as they relate to interstate commerce.

    2- So once somebody enters my risk pool they can just choose to stay there? I can see some tweaks to COBRA to make it easier for a person to transition from one employer or insurance provider to another, but different employers have different benefit levels, demographics, and risk pools that reflect the company’s hiring and business practices; why should they have to accept some other company’s practices and risks? There’s a lot of difference between the risk associated with sedentary white collar employees and the risk associated with, say, utility linemen or commercial fishermen. See above for my view on pre-tax benefits.

    3- I can see removing the bar on sales across state lines, but I have a lot of trouble with the US telling my state what if any mandates we might impose.

    4- This is a tough nut. If you cover pre-existing conditions, it isn’t insurance, it’s just assuming a liability. The part I think we need to work on is a person who acquires some condition while insured under some pool but who loses their job or is for some reason forced to change jobs. It makes some sense for the insurer who was covering that person when the condition arose to continue to be liable for treatment of that condition but if the person leaves that employer, treatment of that person will definitely cause the employer’s costs to go up because the employer’s plan will be paying still but no contribution will be made on that employee’s behalf – unless you go back to the notion that a person can stay in a pool indefinitely and the employer should pay indefinitely once a person enters the pool.

    5- I’m fine with finding ways for people who don’t have employer provided insurance to purchase insurance with pre-tax dollars though the logistics of it can become complex. I also like removing restrictions on forming pools based on trade associations and other voluntary associations. As to the tax credit on expenses, unless you’ve been involved in plan administration, you can’t conceive of the clever, wierd, and expensive things people can try to get their insurance to pay for or the clever, wierd, and expensive things that docs will try to charge to health insurance, so you’d want to be really careful with that.

    6- Alas, the poor will apparently always be with us and this is just one more way to make it more comfortable and even profitable to be poor.

  • jplfly

    There is simply no point in allowing ANOTHER media stampede to watch the dog and pony show the Pres has in store for the American People. He can do that all by himself. And he SHOULD do it all by himself. It has never been the Republican party who stopped his grand plans…we just don’t have enough votes to even get stuff out of committee. Let him have the floor all by himself so he and his czars can continue digging the hole they have gotten themselves into. The less the American People see of the Republican party the next few months the more they will see it is the Democrat machine that has taken our country to the brink of bankruptcy.

    I would love to see a digital comparison behind every Republican press conference that compares the number of hours Republicans have had control of the country during the last 40 or so years vs the number of hours the Dems have had control. It needs to be constantly pounded into the heads of all Americans that Republicans have not been in control long enough to spend enough money or design enough entitlements to take us where we are today.

    Yes, we have been complicit in many of them, but I have a feeling there may be a whole new bunch of Freshmen Republicans who will have gotten the message that we want SMALLER government, fewer entitlements, secure borders, and lower taxes when they are sworn in after the elections.

  • soljerblue

    the ONLY reason Obamao wants this meeting is so he can either co-opt the GOP members, or paint them as the ‘party of ‘no’ — but “no” is precisely what most Americans are saying when it comes to this health care monster. The plan is a shambles, and the Dems don’t have the votes to pass it alone. Sixty-five percent of Americans are against it. If congressional Republicans learned anything from Massachusetts, they will tell TOTUS to go to — !!

  • iluvit

    Following the miracle in Massachusetts which permanently stopped the progressives form taking over one-sixth of out economy and destroy our health care system as we know it. To be manipulated into re-opening this can or worms on the President’s terms and give him a new pathway to attempt tho shove this down our throats would possibly be the biggest blunder in American history from both a legislative and political standpoint. This battle is won as far as the current package. It is dead as it stands and nothing short of completely starting over and limiting the legislation to the Republican key points is now acceptable.

    If they Republicans wan to have a major press conference where they control the agenda and push their ideas then they can show Americans that they have the good ideas and this would put the President on the defensive more. To let him control the imagery and the agenda for discussions is a non-starter and republicans who agree to take this risk are too incompetent or serve and need to be defeated.

    Republicans should do and Contract for Healthcare and push it saying the dems had their chance and now it is time for Obama to push these ideas. Only on our terms this time and now expansion. All or none. Of course Obama will refuse the simple all or none package.

  • iluvit

    Obama must understand that he cannot have a “do over”. His party blew the legislation and the game is over. This is not amateur golf. He can say all day long that we have no ideas but the only people believing that are those who supported his takeover plans. The more he pushes that idea, the more credibility he loses. The majority of Americans agree with us on this issue and still thinks the are just too dumb to understand!

    Message to Obama: “We do understand you and your legislation and we hate it!”

  • doctort

    Over the weekend obama was quoted (correctly) as saying, “What they have won’t work.” He has already made up his feeble mind, so I pray that the repubs are ready for the sos.

    However it is my humble opinion that Boehner will not fall for o’s bull. If the repubs are smart, they’ll begin with some conditions (as mentioned above).

    Bottom line, o is going to do what he wants to do no matter what excellent ideas the repubs bring to the table, and they have great plans as most of you know. This is all for show…that is all o knows how to do.

    God Bless America and her patriots.

  • leehazel

    This in two words should be the Congressional Republican reasons to any Presidential invitation to meet in a bipartisan effort to come up with an acceptable, to both parties, Health Care Reform package.

    Nothing could be more destructive to Republican potential than to be seen in any way as cooperating in this farce.

    There is only one bill possible that would even begin to be satisfactory to the Tea Party Party and the essential parts follow:

    1. Tort/Malpractice Insurance reform
    2. Insurance portability
    3. Catastrophic coverage
    4. Real anti-corruption legislation and prosecution.
    5. Some form of reasonable insurance regardless of pre-existing health problems.

    Not one of these needs a massive interfering government bureaucracy. Tort and Corruption fixes would more than fund the entire program.

    It would also be almost impossible to hide abortion funding and Death Panels in this simple an approach.

    Again, the smart response to an Obama invitation to a sit down at Blair house at this juncture is Mr President Pound sand. I think it should be delivered to the president by none other than Mr Bipartisanship himself, John McCain (lol)

    PC is Thought Control
    LEE

  • leehazel

    1st sentance above,: Repulican Congressional response…

    LEE

  • leehazel

    This is how I would go along with your proposal.

    However, my gut says we do not want a single Republican fingerprint anywhere on the current Health Care Reform package(s).

    Stay as far away from this fiasco as possible until the playing field is once more reasonably level, as in 2010 and even more so in 2012.

    Repeat after me: Obama is a one term president, Obama is a one term pres…. (continue the mantra every time you are tempted to act in a bipartisan manner)

    Keep it up until this guy and his minions are gone.

    PC is Thought Control
    LEE

  • leehazel

    If Graham doesn’t McNasty will!

    PC is Thought Control
    LEE

  • http://letsthinkaboutthat.blogspot.com thinklib

    The only thing that can stop an overwhelming Republican resurgence is Republican stupidity.

    Don’t do it, Republicans.

    Don’t do it.

    You’ve been warned.

  • http://guyaverage.blogspot.com guyaverage

    the top of this post. He is from Ohio-7, Steve Austria. He is pro-life, but did vote for Cash-For-Clunkers. He’s mostly a silent Representative. I suppose it’s because he a first-termer. This is no time for a silent rep, and this I have told him (his staff) many times.

    I do think that this sudden spirit of cooperation is a setup so as to put the Republicans in the postion of having a share of the blame when we reach economic crisis and/or collapse.

    The One-Party system that has been in place since about March of 2009 has allowed Barack H. Obama to do plenty of damage already, the damage has yet to be seen in manifestation for the most part. The Democrats do not want to own what they have done, so now Rahm tells the POTUS to set up the Republicans to take the fall.

    I wouldn’t trust Barack. Come to think of it, I don’t trust Barack or Rahm.

  • mvpappas

    teleprompter czar obama has set another trap,as he will stand in front of all of us and share his babbling rhetoric of lies. This guy has no shame or dignity,he is a -0 class act. he is like a rabid animal who doesn’t know any better than to attack anyone who gets in his way. And with the dems and all those little czars who run in a pack- of being nothing less than feral animals who will stand there and protect the rabid one and attack anyone who gets in their way. And what is really sad is that people still believe this guy!!. I really hope the Republicans will not take the bait set for his trap and in turn call him out, don’t let him get away with his lies any longer

  • rwlungren

    Perhaps the Republican Leadership might consider a commercial or news conference using Inspectorudy’s chalkboard. Repeating it constantly to informt the American people.

    Achance, I believe Inspectorudy expresses ‘Topics’ for discussion while you are addressing ‘Particulars’. btw, I agree with you generally.

    as an aside, I notice a lot of references to the ‘Republican Party is the Party of No’. My position is the ‘Republican Party is the Party of KNOW’. just sayin’