Tea Party Movement in Danger of a Bad Reputation + RedState Bans Birthers & Truthers

lukematthews

That kind of paranoia doesn’t really lead to anything fruitful. We have far more important, doable arguments to discuss without descending into that craziness.

gekster

http://UnitedConservativesofVirginia Cargosquid

it is Obama’s dishonesty and secrecy that are behind the Birth Certificate controversy. However, in the context of the TEA Party movement, that controversy is IRRELEVANT. While people that question the veracity of the Birth Certificate may actually have some good questions (I don’t know, myself.), the subject is not one that belongs as a TEA Party concern.

Face it, the Birth Certificate problem is now moot. He’s President.

http://dezignworx-ae.com tsquare

Because of gross incompetence?

bluesriffer

but can I still believe in Manchurian Candidates?

Achance

But you’re right, too much about their being here and people’s responses to them can be cherry-picked and taken out of context. But I’d still really, really, really like to see His school records.

badbilly

Thank you for saying what so many of us have been thinking the past 48 hours. Nothing could be more damaging to the gains we have made the past 12 months than the internal rot that is the Birther/Truther Movement. Lets not forget that just 10 months ago the main stream media was pronouncing Conservatism DEAD!

http://www.neoavatara.com/blog neoavatara

Nice statement of a line of demarcation. Look, most of these claims are ludicrous, and if you want to air them out, there are plenty of places for you to do so. But redstate, among the most mainstream conservative sites, has a larger agenda, and should geared as such.

omarsuarez

While it’s easy to point the finger elsewhere, we — Red State included — are making our own bed, here. You can’t let the tiger out of the box, hold a steak in front of him and then complain when he goes on a rampage.

This phenomenon isn’t limited to the Birthers. You might want to consider that going forward.

http://www.WILLisms.com WILLisms

Good call. Those groups are ridiculous, and they undermine everything good we are working toward.

Bedell

Birther baggage is a distracting waste of political energy and capital.

http://www.WILLisms.com WILLisms

When you say that tea party activists have rallied to Debra Medina, we’re really looking at 24% of them. 51% supported Perry, and that was before Medina’s monumental meltdown on Glenn Beck.

http://www.empowertexans.com/tea_parties_volume_versus_principles

scoot1965

You have to believe in all of the Constitution, not just the parts that you like.

Did FOX tell you to write this so you could still be a guest on Hannity’s panel?

TxCon

with legitimate third party movements. They are a magnet for nutjobs and that is a shame.

TxCon

with legitimate third party movements. They are a magnet for nutjobs and that is a shame.

Aaron Gardner

RedState is not a public utilities, it is a business.

Scope

the comments are bad enough themselves, but, when a thread grows long with some trying to rationalize with them, or even play with them, it makes the site look really bad. It is especially bad when they start spouting that it’s free speech, and that this site does not allow free speech or alternative view points. Don’t even give them the opportunity to claim what they believe their rights are to begin with.

kyoufuu

http://moelane.com/ Moe Lane

nt

Scope

n/t

streiff

n/t

http://moelane.com/ Moe Lane

Important safety tip, kids: real libertarians respect private property.

bs

pro_libertate

I agree that the birthers and truthers are unfortunate sideshows to the tea party movement in particular, and the resurgence of conservatism in general. It does take away from the issues that really matter at best, and allows the so-called mainstream media to ignore/marginalize us at worse. While there seems to be a variety of conservative viewpoints here, I think just about all of us subscribe to some core beliefs. Thinking that BHO was born in Kenya and that the CIA was involved in taking out the twin towers are not part of those beliefs.

Good call Erick.

Scope

and if I had the power to do so, I would ban you for utter disrespect. The rules at the bottom of each posting screen say “Be respectful, or be banned.” What part of respectful do you not understand?

If that’s the best comment you have to offer Redstate, you have brought less than nothing to the table.

kyoufuu

“Just because someone is stridently against the size of government does not make him an ally if he also believes the U.S. Army blew up the World Trade Center. Such a person brings disrepute on us all, deservedly so. ”

You remind me of a conversation I had with someone once in a forum regarding Global Warming. The fully believed global warming to be a lie. I was happy with that. But then, for some reason in he evolution of the conversation, they had to go and declare: “vaccines are responsible for the increase in the number of children with autism.”

This person’s fully valid claims regarding AGW were completely thrown out the window with this statement. We only injure our message by allowing those on our side to make outrageous claims.

And I say this all as one who would have been considered a birther not too long ago.

pro_libertate

At the risk of piling on, your knowledge of the Constitution seems pretty limited. As another poster pointed out, your beloved 1st Amendment starts off with “Congress shall make no law…”. Last I checked, RedState is a private organization (at least for the moment). So while we enjoy a variety of viewpoints here, Erick and the gang are well within their right to tell whomever they want to take a hike.

Have a nice day.

http://twitter.com/JoeKenHa joekenha

of political capital.

Even if BO wasn’t really an American, that wouldn’t help us with the fight against our Marxist Congress.

Section9

Banned from RedState!

Wise Move, Eric.

So, does this mean you are off Joe Farah’s mailing list? One can only hope.

saltlick

We can only effect long-lasting, fundamental change in this country by convincing the American people their lives are best served by a smaller and more accountable government that harvests less taxes.

The “birfers” want to accomplish the equivalent of a coup, which would lead to political chaos and undermine our political system.

eburke

The One’s past, I wouldn’t exactly fall off my chair if it came out that he *wasn’t* a US citizen eligible for office. But having said that, it’s absolutely irrelevant at this point and time and just allows the leftists to paint us as unhinged loonies.

In the past, his absolute refusal to settle this by simply releasing the certificate fed some of my skepticism as to his birthplace. But EPU provided the missing link to that the other day when he noted that Obama himself brought up this issue at the prayer breakfast. It would be classic Allinsky tactics to keep this on the front burner to distract from all of the other Marxist issues he’s trying to ram down the throats of the American people.

And if he can tie the ‘loony’ idea of him not being a US Citizen to the people who also promote smaller, less intrusive government, a strong national defense, and cultural conservatism and paint those ideas as ‘loony’ because they’re promoted by ‘loony’ people…well, that’s a giant win for him.

Thus, I’m absolutely in concurrence with Erick’s ‘divorce’ from that whole group.

TheSophist

eburke

Ausonius

since before the 2008 election.

The website pushes various books about the non-issue: as a capitalist, Farah has tapped into an issue that sells with a certain constituency, but marginalizes his company.

Of interest is that Pat Buchanan still lets them use his column, but he is a capitalist too!

http://www.wnd.com/index.php?pageId=124847

In contrast:
When NewsMax had a columnist/blogger wonder in print about a possible military coup against the Incompetent-in-Chief, Newsmax promptly dropped him.

eburke

Oopie!

eburke

rfpzzzzz

Since I have seen the guy who does the oil changes on Scott Brown’s truck and Sarah Palin’s little baby has to endure the utmost disrespect, I really would like to know how Obama is doing with his cigarette habit and I would like to see his college transcripts. He and his wife want me to quit eating cheese burgers or something and he cannot even quit butts and nobody talks about it. He is a “genius” but he hides his report cards like a kid who flunked spelling. We have a big giant elephant in the Obama living room and it is “Man , get real!”

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racebannon

Thanks for this Erick.

toml

I could not agree more. The stakes are too high to let these lunes take the spotlight. Obama and the left have given us plenty of policies to use against them, so leave all this nonsense out.

http://dezignworx-ae.com tsquare

To wash afterwords… you don’t know where they have been

eburke

and correlations that can be done that *might* (please note the word “might”) give someone some credence as to say that vaccinations *might* be the cause for the inexplicable rise in autism over the last couple of decades.

To believe that the twin towers was an ‘inside’ job (unless you want to refer to the laws of unintended but apparent to logical people consequences of policies such as the Gorlick wall) don’t have a shred of evidence to them. And ‘vaccinations cause autism’ isn’t exactly of the same political relevance as “The President of the United States elected by 62 million morons (I’m sorry…did I just say that?) should be tossed from office 14 months after said election occurred”

Apples and mangoes, my friend.

http://dezignworx-ae.com tsquare

What is a “legitimate” third party movement?

I’ll take Political Trivia for 60 please…

d_lamar

Thank you Erick for your efforts to keep this forum from becoming a loony bin.

graciegirl

but I do not understand the nastiness when people are just trying to discuss and learn something. After all some of us were not here to read the discussion when you all came to your decisions. Let me be clear…I agree with the 9-11 truther position that you take…it’s a no brainer!

And OK earlier this week through the little bit of discussin that was allowed I learned Some of the why you are so rabid about the birther issue. I just don’t see why I should be called a kook or a crazy for asking a question about the dual citizenship issue with regards to the constitution.

Before you say good bye..I want to say I have just as much heart and energy for this fight back to conservatism as the rest of you. And I have learned so much from reading here. But I am not a nut job just because I have a question. What a waste to run me off simply for wanting to learn.

hickorystick

where you are encouraged to grade yourself.

http://www.voterubio2010.com nelsa

This subject has been driving me crazy ove the past year. I don’t know how easy/hard it will be to keep the birfer/truthers off the stage at Tea Party events but I think this post is a call to all who attend to BOOOOOOO! those who spout this crap right off the stage. SERIOUSLY. Only then will they get the message.

Will the MSM report that they were booooed. No, they may never do that but the “New Media” will and for now WE are the ones in control of accurate info for the most part.

Nuts and Looneys will always exist. The majority of the Tea Party participants need to become the “filter” that separates themselves from the rest of the movement.

kyoufuu

I was simply pointing out that adherence to one crackpot theory can ruin credibility. Of course, some would state that birtherism isn’t a crackpot theory, in a similar vein to how some would claim vaccinerism isn’t a crackpot theory.
The point was simply that everyone fully has the right to pick and choose who they associate with based on their beliefs, be it trutherism, birtherism, etc.

streiff

in polite company.

You are free to ask your questions, but this is not a venue for that personal journey.

The issue of Mr. Obama’s citizenship was dismissed by the voters in November 2008. It is a losing argument and worst than that it discredits those who make it and those who listen to it.

d_lamar

I don’t believe that Erick wants to run anyone off. It’s just that there’s no point in discussing an issue which is irrelevant.

comrade_terry

As unpalatable as it must be to ban opposing points of view, there comes a time to clean the nuts from the blog in order to maintain credibility.

I was profoundly disappointed that Farah was given a forum from which to spout his ‘birfer’ nonsense. That’s exactly the sort of thing with which the Progressives would like to taint us, and thereby consign us to the political wilderness.

Third Street

…and it is simply, without drawing any conclusions, “why has Obama gone to such great lengths to conceal his personal records?”, because the simple fact is that he has. But I also know we’re not going to get an answer anytime soon, it accomplishes nothing in the fight to stop Obama’s agenda, it’s political death to even bring up, and Obama himself is playing “birthers” like fiddles, so the matter is best left dropped. Fight the battles you can win.

streiff

the rap on vaccines just crap.

The “rise” of autism is due to it being a DSM IV diagnosis without a clinical test.

Bob_Frazier

Red state can certaintly take this stance, and its probably a wise move. Those that believe the US government had something to do with the world trade center are not nuts, but they just hate America and what it stands for. Those that believe Obama might be ineligible for president probably will get nowhere with this whether true or not. So best to move to other issues.

However, using words like crazies and nuts to describe those who question Obama’s eligibility does Red State and many of the contributors a disservice. These people care about the Constitution. That makes them nuts? Likely nothing will come of their concern but why insult them? You can disagree without that. You really want to compare them to people who proclaim Washington brought down the Twin Towers? You can say it keeps us from moving in other directions. But again it looks like we are scared to death what the left thinks of us.

I wish you had written this a bit differently. When it comes to the so called “birthers” they at least care about their country and the Constitution. That cannot be said of the so called “truthers”. Lets be professional about it. Red State can do better.

Bob_Frazier

Red state can certaintly take this stance, and its probably a wise move. Those that believe the US government had something to do with the world trade center are not nuts, but they just hate America and what it stands for. Those that believe Obama might be ineligible for president probably will get nowhere with this whether true or not. So best to move to other issues.

However, using words like crazies and nuts to describe those who question Obama’s eligibility does Red State and many of the contributors a disservice. These people care about the Constitution. That makes them nuts? Likely nothing will come of their concern but why insult them? You can disagree without that. You really want to compare them to people who proclaim Washington brought down the Twin Towers? You can say it keeps us from moving in other directions. But again it looks like we are scared to death what the left thinks of us.

I wish you had written this a bit differently. When it comes to the so called “birthers” they at least care about their country and the Constitution. That cannot be said of the so called “truthers”. Lets be professional about it. Red State can do better.

dwintnf

We don’t want RS to be distracted from our main issues which for me is limited government and MY / OUR pursuit of happiness.

Let’s stop all these misdirected progressives in all branches of government.
It’s working fairly well lately. They are melting down…

shadowtax

What is it about irrational conspiracy theories that is so seductive to some people? There must be some emotional satisfaction involved, or a feeling of empowerment.

There is just something so strange about birther and truther argumentation. It’s sad really. And quite the distraction.

redneck_hippie

menu of conspiracies, the better off we are.

You’re protecting RS integrity as a credible source and conserving bandwith as well.

This is not unexpected considering the fiasco of the Paulite incursion. To have tolerated the nonsense now would have sullied the image and blunted the message and our goals.

bilmar

but may not be welcome here anymore because Iam a medina supporter. If you go to her web page she says she is not a truther. Is this a blog for the established republican party or for true conservatives whoever they may be.

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wbb1950

The initial interest in this issue was not unfounded. The fundamental question arises under Article II. It was triggered by the posting of a false birth certificate on his website,. Thereafter instead of coming clean he spent $1.7 M to disclosure of a document which most of us would freely produce in response to a legitimate request. I spoke to one of the top investigative reporters in the country and he was very interested in the subject at that time. Two district courts have ruled that the public lacks standing to raise the issue, so they did not reach the ultimate question. For me the dispositive evidence was the statement by the state of Hawaii and a contemporaneous announcement in that Hawaiian Newspapers vital statistics section. If he was born in the United States then there must be some other reason why he would spend so much money to hide the birth certificate, The most likely possibility is it would reveal that the identity of his parents is not what he has represented. He does not want the public to know that. But for the representations in the book, I do not think it matters to most people, You cannot choose who your parents are. I have a friend who is going through an analogous situation to this except he does not know who his parents are and wants to know. We are going to old census records and fragmented recollections of those relatives who are still willing, Many families have theser secrets and they invent family stories to cover them up. Some people want the truth and others do not. I think we have to respect the wishes of the individual in that instance,

http://www.jeffscottshow.com jeffscottshow

So where does this leave RedState with regards to birther politicians and candidates? Will RS support JD Hayworth? I know RS is endorsing Karen Handel in GA-GOV race, but what about Rep. Nathan Deal in the meantime?

I refuse to support anybody who gives the slightest indication that they might be a birther.

http://thesandsinstitute.org Vassar Bushmills

VB

hickorystick

is because too often the type of person who will put a lot of mental energy into a cause like this, is likely the person you know who, when discussing a subject calmly and rationally, suddenly takes a mental “slide” down into a place where reason cannot follow. One minute your talking to a person, the next he’s frothing at the mouth over it. Not saying there all like that, just risky allowing someone that espouses that to take a stage.

pmb09

A WARNING TO THE TEA PARTY NATION
http://www.newswithviews.com/baldwin/baldwin569.htm
A WARNING TO THE TEA PARTY NATION
By Chuck Baldwin
February 12, 2010
NewsWithViews.com
Please read this article especially towards the bottom Chuck talks of the warnings about Perry, Palin and Beck and praises Medina !!!
Chuck Baldwin states “Medina is committed to preserving Texas’ independence and sovereignty. She is opposed to the Patriot Act. She will secure the Texas border. She will give Texas Vermont-style open carry freedoms for gun owners. She wants to get rid of unconstitutional property taxes in Texas. She will stop the NAFTA superhighway. Medina is the real deal. “

http://www.nixonsghost.wordpress.com hondav65

“Banning” is too much like Fascism or Communism to me.

Are these people idiots? Well I have a bit of a problem with equating “Truthers” and “Birthers”. Truthers believe their own country knocked down the twin towers. Birthers believe that Obama didn’t properly prove his citizenship. There’s a lot of “green space” between those two types of thought and, in my opinion … “truthers” are much more sinister than “birthers”.

That said … why ban either? Why not just let rational people make up their minds about these two groups on their own? Banning is a form of censureship for the purpose of “controlling” a message so that readers are steered to one conclusion. The East Anglia guys “banned” Global Warming skeptics. Liberals shout down conservatives on college campuses. I just don’t think that, as conservatives, we should adopt those tactics. I was always taught that on a fair playing field – the truth always wins out. You cannot have a “fair” playing field while you’re excluding other points of view from taking the field. This is one of the principle differences between liberals and conservatives – conservatives believe that people are smart enough to recognize the truth on their own.

Now … as far as the tea party getting a bad name – remind me … who here is responsible for the “Tea Party Message”? Can anyone point me to the Public Relations department of the “Tea Party”? Is there one guy or gal I can go to for answers on what the Tea Party’s position on specific issues are?

No … there is no one here responsible for the Tea Party Message. The beautiful thing about the Tea Party Message is that it can’t be specifically defined. If you ask me – and I’m a part of the movement – I’d tell you it’s really a “Liberty Movement” … and “Liberty” means that government gets the hell out of our lives and lets us live and believe the way we wish. That means that if you want to believe that Barack Obama isn’t a citizen based on the evidence and what your mind is telling you – then that’s fine. You have just as much right to make that conclusion as I do to say that the matter is solved.

The Tea Party has nothing to fear from “birthers”. What the Tea Party has to fear – is falling into the narrow confines of belief that some people want to FORCE it into. It’s a movement of the people – and people have diferent views.

And that’s the way it SHOULD be.

windycitycommentary

Comparing 9/11 truthers to “birthers” is your first mistake. They are not close to the same kind of people, nor is the way they arrive at conclusions similar.

Third Street

“Birthers” and “Truthers” are not comparable to one another. Truthers, for whatever sick reasons, attempt to deny something that every single one of us saw happen with our own eyes, an event whose particulars have ample facts, evidence, and documentation of all sorts backing it up. Birthers, on the other hand, sprung up as a result of a vacuum of available facts, and deliberate attempts to hide public records. You don’t have to believe Obama was born in Kenya to wonder just what the heck is going on with the sealing of BCs and college transcripts, and everyone I know, friends and family alike, who know about this concealment and are level-headed, down-to-earth conservatives, does wonder what the heck is going on with that, though it isn’t exactly a frequent topic of conversation.

A simple post saying “no discussion on this subject will be tolerated here and attempts to bring it up will result in banning” would have sufficed. The rest is just browbeating of good people.

windycitycommentary

Have you annointed yourself as the leader of the Tea Party movement. Maybe you should just apply for a gig at NRO. It’s clear you are just trying to move up the ladder; let us know when you get to join David Brooks at the New York Times. Banning people, that’ so American of you.

DamnCat

i.e. right to freedom of association? It’s there near the top of the Bill of Rights. It means you are are free to associate with truther & birther nutbags – and Erik is free to NOT associate with you.

http://online.logcabin.org/about/ suzieQ

Separating ourselves from the crazies is always a difficult process. Not too long ago I was at a small rally regarding illegal immigrants. Most of us there were just regular people with no larger agenda, we just were sick of the flood of criminals coming across our southern border. But there was a larger group of white power/neo-nazi types also there. While I agreed with them on the immigration problem, I disagreed with them on everything else. Unfortunately, there were members of our small group that were friends with or integrated in with their group as well. So it was very difficult for one group of people to say “we’re not with them. They don’t represent us.” As far as passers by could tell we were all one group.

This is a good move by Erick. We need to separate ourselves from the crazies.

http://www.hakubi.us/ Neil Stevens

redneck_hippie

here.

Birthers who desire to blog and organize elsewhere will no doubt do so. They just won’t be wasting time and resources of this community while they do it.

Capiche?

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I’d think they are already banned. And since you brought up the topic, I think they should call us (those opposing “Warmers”) Breathers thanks to proposed CO2 regulation – based on our conceited belief that we shouldn’t be taxed, fined, banned from existing, i.e., breathing. Plus, it accurately denotes which side is receiving oxygen.

tngal

I’m neither a birther nor truther, but I can see its a hot button issue for some people. If Erick wants to ban ‘em there should be no problem. Its his site and can ban purple bullfrogs with dimples if he wants. But I am confused on the candidate question. Its obviously going to be a reoccuring theme as more and races get heated up. Personally , If there are two candidates running, and my homework shows one is fiscally conservative and will be more likely to curtail government growth while the other wants to make sure the government has a hand in everything from yard sale signs to taxing what I buy on the net, yeah I’ll probably go with the birther and hope they keep that skeleton in their closet down the road. Everyone’s nutty about something.

http://online.logcabin.org/about/ suzieQ

Especially when the choice is between a birther and a leftist. Although I completely disagree with them, I’d rather have the birther.

What will Redstate’s position be on birther candidates?

bk

JUST KIDDING!!!

http://www.andrewiandodge.com Lagwolf

These people just take up column space and do their best to make the right look like a bunch of loons. Distancing yourselves from them is the only thing you can do. The ones whining about censorship and free speech on a private site don’t really understand the concepts very well do they?

tecash

with the new policy of RS. It is well within their rights to open or close this forum to whoever they wish. In fact, I would go as far as saying Erik has the right to ban anyone who disagrees with anything he believes in. And while that may cause the site to drift into nothingness, it is his right.

But, the trend on this site by some has changed from open discussion to insults. I have seen quite a few comments that resemble Liberal sites in their context. I have seen people called idiots on here for not agreeing with anothers statement. Even some of the comments on here are way past civil. Truthers being called un-American? Why because they believe the government is corrupt and capable of doing something like 9-11. While I believe the whole truther movement is ludicrous, I would never call them un-American as I try to have more class and tact than the scum on the liberal boards. Maybe more should try to do the same.

Ronald Reagan is a conservative icon. He is considered by most right of center, myself included, to be one of the great presidents in this country. Yet many of his beliefs were absurd. One example, his and his wifes belief in the power of Astrology. Fortune telling, moon lining up with Venus type crap, yet as a whole he was one of the greatest. How many in this movement would be OK with him telling us his beliefs on some of the boards without resorting to the all dreaded ban threat or the name calling.

My point is, I do not buy into either of the beliefs, I believe any private site has the right to control who is on their site, I think too many on here spend too much time on liberal sites and have had the disresepect mentality rubbed on to them, I believe many truthers and birfers make their beliefs way to up front and center but that does not mean all act like that, BUT I also believe to alienate all who buy into those beliefs is way to similar to tactics used by leftist groups. By all means limit or even eliminate that type of belief speech, but to eliminate those who believe 90% the same way as the rest of us do but only differ on such an insignificant belief is borderline to what we see in movements such as the Global warming crowd, PETA, greenpeace, etc and does not belong in the group that claims to be about individual rights.

Erik is right that there are much more pressing issues at hand than a certificate, he is right that this site is not about those issues, but to ban those who buy into those beliefs and who are willing to leave them at the door to me seems heavy handed and more belonging to the left.

E Pluribus Unum

Actually, it’s ALOT like freedom of association.

– communism = seizing a country’s wealth and assigning all the people to become cogs in the government wheel

– fascism = controlling a country’s wealth and assigning all the industry to become cogs in the government wheel

– RedState banning troofers and burfers – a privately owned and managed political advocacy group deciding who and what ideas they want to be (or not be) associated with.

The third one seems a little different from the first two.

Just my opinion.

Aaron Gardner

aesthete

or being forced to confess at show trials, and then having your family executed in front of you, is totally the same thing as birfers not being allowed to throw a hissy fit on one private website.

http://slcliberty.blogivists.com randy streu

nt

http://slcliberty.blogivists.com randy streu

that you can compare government-sponsored murder to a private group’s ability to decide who is and isn’t welcome on its premises.

Open a book.

E Pluribus Unum

And about 44% still approve.

I fear it’s as bad as it seems.

aesthete

If Reagan had dedicated his political career to astrology, and called those who didn’t agree with his views un-conservative, he would have been laughed off the field — and rightly so. Birfers and truthers as a group are characterized by a near-exclusive obsession with only those issues, and they do absolutely nothing to further the cause of conservatism elsewhere. In fact, they do nothing to further the cause of conservatism, period: the end result of their actions would be a President Biden [!] .

Besides NeoKong, I can’t think of anyone on RS who has posted positively about birtherism and gone on to do something productive for the community.

streiff

if you are willing to leave your birferism/trutherism at the door there is no way we would know that you subscribe to that nonsense… unless you have one of our RFID chips implanted.

BTW, anyone who can believe the US government was behind 9-ll is beneath contempt.

E Pluribus Unum

I demand the bunny!

adamwatkins

March in lockstep and only post a comment if it is in 100% praise and agreement of this site’s poo-bahs, or be banned. Erick and company don’t want a healthy discussion of ideas among like-minded conservatives. They want a sycophantic chorus of yes-men where dissent is not just intolerable, but banned in a barely concealed rage. With friends on the conservative side like the poo-bahs here, who needs enemies? Feel free to ban at will. At least have the guts to keep my comment up. That is all.

janis

you can’t complain when you wake up with steak between your teeth. That clear enough for you? Because I could also address that rampaging thing for you if you need for me to.

E Pluribus Unum

I’ve been searching for a delicate way of bringing up the “Illuminati sponsored the First Gulf War” topic. Looks like the coast is clear now that the REAL nuts are out of the way.

janis

JadedByPolitics

It appeared out of no where recently all of these diaries and comments which brought the crazies out of the woodwork and I am glad to see you have brought the can or RAID for them to take back to their nests

adamwatkins

Revision on Obama’s birth certificate is 11/01. Why is that? I don’t know for sure where he was born, and I don’t agree that spending a lot of time on it will be productive, but that doesn’t make me a crazy birther to point out that it’s pretty hard for a birth certificate of someone born in the 1960s to be authenticated by a certificate with a revision date of November 2001. OK now that is all.

Nick Haynes

You won’t be missed.

janis

And I want my Bilderberger with cheese and extra catsup.

shadowtax

I post critical comments to poo-bah posts all the time. Let’s just say that I am anti-anti-establishmentist. Generally I am treated well.

Aaron Gardner

SteveLA

They are not close to the same kind of people, nor is the way they arrive at conclusions similar.

Standard weight or extra heavy duty Tin Foil hats?

http://impudent.blognation.us/blog kyle8

reason number 1 They add nothing whatsoever to the conversation. They are the electronic equivalents of shouting racial slurs at a town hall meeting

reason number 2 They cannot be reasoned with, just like John Birchers, LaRouchites, and most other insane splinter groups, conspiricists are immune to reason

reason number 3 They are BORING! Very, very, goddamn Boring.

janis

“Birfers banned at RedState, Paul Murphey hardest hit”

streiff

let me do this point by point.

1. Birfers and troofers may not be the same group in a Venn diagram but both points of view are malarkey. Allowing those opinions on this site damages our credibility… a credibility we’ve worked long and hard to establish. If they want to make asses of themselves there are plenty of online venues wihere they will fit in.

2. Banning is a way of maintaining standards. We don’t allow racists. We don’t allow neo-Nazis. We don’t allow Ronulans. And now birfers/troofers. Not because they are all the same but because we don’t subscribe to their views and refuse to give them a soapbox to express those views.

3. If you think the Tea Parties aren’t getting a bad name I suggest you think again. The fact that they don’t have an official organization doesn’t mean that generalities aren’t being drawn about them. If you want a situation where elected officials are afraid to even be seen talking to Tea Party people, right now you are on that glide path.

4. Liberty? Then explain Angela McGlowan speaking in Nashville.

5. Different is not the same as discredited, freaking bonkers, or disreputable. If you’re happy with any of those classifications I’m sure you’ll find a place more to your liking.

http://impudent.blognation.us/blog kyle8

Just ask anyone around here, I almost never say anything nice and they barely tolerate me. But they don’t ban me, you know why? because I am not a stupid conspiracy nut.

E Pluribus Unum

nt

janis

are too tight and are cutting off the oxygen to his head.

http://www.dcworksforus.com Kenny Solomon

Finally a rock-solid sanity clause here……. Oh wait, there ain’t no sanity clause for me….. I’m Jewish !

http://impudent.blognation.us/blog kyle8

when you scratch every conspiracy deep enough you discover the true manipulators. OH NOES ITS DA JOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOS!
ELEVENTY!

newsflash

The US government can do shockingly underhanded things both here and overseas without the consent of the governed and in almost total secrecy? Don’t call me a birther or troofer, but don’t ask me to deny history:

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Operation_Northwoods

Remember, Robert Kennedy once suggested we “sink the Maine again or something” in conversation with the president about Cuba.

janis

No bacon, no cheese. But now I want the fries.

d_lamar

I’ve been able to carry on a civil disagreement with a majority of the “poo-bahs”, without any repercusions.

strategerist

The truther and birther issues are NOT the ball, they are the hotdog vendor.

Erick, I think this was absolutely the right decision and the mark of wisdom and seriousness.

What we need to do is oppose, expose and depose this evil, corrupt ideology.

Even if they could play out their ultimate birther dream scenario and deliver some kind of dramatic “proof” of their assertion, it is still a huge loss for America and a huge distraction from the real issues.

We need to be exposing corruption, highlighting the consequences of statism and warning people about the anti-human progressive ideology.

So even if you have questions, even if you think it is plausible or even if you just don’t understand why the issue is toxic, have the moral clarity to put it down and step away. Funnel your energy and your desire for justice into something useful for our country, not something wasteful and self indulgent.

The line is drawn.

streiff

nt

streiff

does not equal panderer or batcrap crazy. Do what you will but Medina’s performance on Beck’s show puts her in one or the other categories.

JadedByPolitics

….

JadedByPolitics

I believe I have pulled the muscle between my shoulder blades shoveling snow…not very bright but still SMARTER then a birther…lol!

http://beaglescout.wordpress.com Beaglescout

Is he saying that we are responsible for people who are rightly peeved at the policies and actions of the Obama czars, commissars, and the progressive people’s democratic socialist party congress?

eburke

’cause I’m still confused as to what the h-e-double hockey stick all that meant.

Elucidate if you would, please?

Leopard1996

You can get like screwy Louis Farakkhan and just blame the white devil /sarc.

But I think I do agree with this policy. Thsi is the same as admitting that I originally lived on the Jersey Shore,and some person out here in OH has to ask me about the MTV reality show, and I have to explain to them, that it was those people that people like me who lived on the Jersey Shore could not stand.

http://beaglescout.wordpress.com Beaglescout

Well, back in the old days there were other third parties.

Of course, that was a long time ago. I don’t really think a Screaming Monster Party would go over well here.

E Pluribus Unum

If you want to get right down to it. And if she’s out of pocket I’ll settle for Jessica Beil.

eburke

wavelength….for better or for worse she’s speaks his language (such that it is)

bomias

it was so simple and fun to label conservatives as birther/truther idiots.

I read this site to get an idea of what the Right is talking about and to check your thoughts against my more Liberal leanings. We shall never agree on many things but the need to disavow the nutters is universal and your efforts in this arena are to be applauded.

So now I’m forced to read for content and not comedy.

http://impudent.blognation.us/blog kyle8

You could have been living next door to Pauly Shore.

http://impudent.blognation.us/blog kyle8

in Desperado running around on the rooftops with that skimpy outfit.

Wow, that usually wakes me right up.

eburke

janis

have observant knowledge (as opposed to “working knowledge”) of men who are a bit….um… socially challenged when it comes to getting a date with a human female.

So they end up taking a wild animal out for a steak and a brew. The rampaging thing usually occurs when they insist that the animal pay the tab. As often as not, the animal wakes up with the rampagee between his teeth.

(If you were expecting some lucid explanation of that comment, your expectations were unreasonably high.)

shadowtax

It was sad and very disappointing. Mike was almost holding her hand and trying very hard to be supportive. She sounded very weak and defensive.

Something that bothered me: She went out of her way to say that somebody in West Texas asked her why she homeschooled her kids. She said that it was none of their business. Mike ran with it later as some sort of liberty statement. But I’m sorry, she sounds very insecure, too insecure to be a Governor. That was her saying “Stop picking on me!” Maybe she’s was trying to get Palin type sympathy, but seriously, Who’s afraid of big bad Glenn Beck? Her wounds were self-inflicted.

Lastly, governors are executives who make decisions. Decisions are often made with legitimate questions left unanswered. Otherwise nothing gets done. If you can’t shoot down trutherism from the hip, you will second guess all of your decisions, and lose all of your political battles.

smagar

They run this blog, and we commenters are here as their guests. We have no right to be here.

Think of Redstate as a great big virtual college fraternity. The brothers who’ve pledged the house will often invite lots of people to come visit. Some people, in fact, will de facto live at the house.

But what the brothers say, goes. This is a community where, literally, some are more equal than others. Your rights here extend as far as the brothers say they do.

Which is pretty much how it goes on ANY blog, ANYwhere. In that sense, Redstate is no different than most other virtual places.

SCOTUS can’t help you here.

http://UnitedConservativesofVirginia Cargosquid

He’s DALEY’S candidate.

Except I think he got off his leash……

eburke

brought the thing up at the prayer breakfast (’cause I used to wonder the same thing)

He doesn’t *want* it to go away. It’s the classic Allinsky subterfuge of using something irrelevant to mask your real agenda mixed together with being able to disarm someone through ridicule. The vast majority of the country could care less about this issue and it just gives the left and the MSM (but I repeat myself) the opportunity to ridicule its proponents, and, with that, the ability to ridicule their (generally) conservative principles of limited government.

weimmom

“In any scenario, Obama had at least one black parent, and if it is not Obama Sr., who then is it? Obama offers a possible clue in Dreams:

I was intrigued by old Frank, with his books and whiskey breath and the hint of hard-earned knowledge behind the hooded eyes. The visits to his house always left me feeling vaguely uncomfortable, though, as if I were witnessing some complicated, unspoken transaction between the two men, a transaction I couldn’t fully understand. The same thing I felt whenever Gramps took me downtown to one of his favorite bars, in Honolulu’s red-light district.

The “Frank” in question is Frank Marshall Davis, a black communist, pornographer, and poet who had abandoned Chicago for Hawaii. In “Pop,” it should be noted, the Pop character “recites an old poem” just before the reconciliation and reeks of whiskey. Davis would have been in his mid-seventies at the time. Some have theorized that Davis, in fact, is Obama’s father and the “Pop” of the poem. This theory, though tenuous, cannot be ruled out. A grandson can look more like his maternal grandfather than his father. That happens. And then, too, there is Davis’s Chicago connection.”

http://www.americanthinker.com/2010/02/another_look_at_obamas_origins.html

eburke

Citing facts is a pretty underhanded way of winning an argument.

I hope you’re properly ashamed of yourself.

http://erickbrockway.wordpress.com/ Erick Brockway

eburke

smagar

Those cookies with white and black frosting are so tasty! Ever since we left the Baltimore area, I’ve had a dickens of a time finding them.

Um…excuse me, my wife is trying to tell me something.

Yes, dear?

Mmmm-hmmm

BERGER cookies?

OK…thanks

…

Never mind

eburke

http://erickbrockway.wordpress.com/ Erick Brockway

bs

smagar

http://UnitedConservativesofVirginia Cargosquid

While Red State may not want to discuss the eligibility issue on this site, as is their prerogative, insulting people that would, otherwise, be allies, does not make sense.

However, as for the Truthers, not only should we insult THEM, but let’s throw rocks!

Just sayin’ though……just think if a Hawaii’n bureaucrat found the long form and discovered that……..well. never mind.

In an related thought, he may not only be a citizen, but, there is that rumor that his father was American……….look at the photo comparisons of him and Malcolm X…….

http://erickbrockway.wordpress.com/ Erick Brockway

The video of 1000 uses.

like;

bs

Based on your comment, I’m confident we’ll find something to ban you for sooner or later.

http://UnitedConservativesofVirginia Cargosquid

The Tea Party movement is not unified. One candidate’s views does not make them representative of the movement as a whole.

Vegas_Rick

Because if you did, you’d know that vigorous debat over matters worthy of such debate is not only allowed, but encouraged. Erick and the other “poo-bahs” are frequently challenged.

It’s just that we’re trying to do something constructive for conservatism here, and truthers, birthers, and warmers do not contribute to the overall effort.

Feel free to start your own blog. Good luck with that.

http://stixblog.com Black River Wolf

The Birfersand & Truthers do not help anything but the MSM and the Left in portraying all conservatives as Conspiracy Nutjobs. If you want that go to Alex Jones conspiracy site and help them find all the coffins.
Red State should not be a sounding board for these ridiculous conspiracy theories.

EagleWatcher

Banish the Trufers and Birfers to MSNBC where they belong.

This should make life much easier for moderators as well.

http://impudent.blognation.us/blog kyle8

aint that the truth

eburke

I’ll sleep better tonight just knowing.

Leopard1996

Just every summer you had to deal with the BENNYS, that thought that since you lived around the shore you worked for them.

Definition of BENNY; any one who is a tourist of the northern NJ shore, comes from the letters of where those people are normally from, Bayonne, Elizabeth, Newark, and New York.

CowboyUp4419

If we expect to be taken seriously we ought to act and sound like we’re serious. Anyone still left in the birfer camp is either willfully ignorant or irredeemably crazy, either of which makes such person a major hindrance to us going forward. Good riddance.

RedBeard

Doesn’t matter. Mine is made of titanium alloy with a copper mesh screen inside, to block all possible thought control rays coming from the grassy knoll in the middle of Area 51, which we all know is controlled by the Masons for the purpose of turning us all into power sources for the Matrix.

libertysroar

I am not a birther or a truther, but I do not believe in censoring the views of others. Medina has stated again and again she is not a truther – and she has always been true to her word. But Conservatives are always quick to throw their own under the bus. “Makaka” anyone?

I was a Glenn Beck fan until his disgraceful interview yesterday and I was a Redstate fan until you decided to go along with this smear campaign.

To those of you in Texas…educate yourself on the issues, watch the two gubernatorial debates and then decide. You would think as a Conservative I would be used to being called “crazy”, and “racist”. Oldest trick in the book. But I really expected a little more depth from RedState before you jumped on this “truther” bandwagon.

And to Mr. Beck, you believe that Joseph Smith was given golden plates by angels that only he could read with special divine goggles? See…two can play at that nasty game…

dvdmsr

http://www.hakubi.us/ Neil Stevens

Just banning you now since you clearly hate us and it just saves time to do it now.

Aaron Gardner

doesn’t that just fit the mold perfectly.

http://www.hakubi.us/ Neil Stevens

Are you implying the US Government was complicit in the 9/11 attacks? Yes or no.

Scope

most here never did but into the wacky ideas of your savior and his even more wacky acolytes. Glad to see you gone.

http://www.examiner.com/x-1597-Charlotte-Law--Politics-Examiner Mike gamecock DeVine

prevent the natural result of what the tea party is a precurser of, and that is a mass 2010 electorla landslide loss for the dems, no matter how many kooks get on tea party stages. The economy has concentrated the mind of we the people

RedBeard

She thoroughly cooked her own goose, with no help from Beck needed.

She indicated by her own words that the massive mountain of factual evidence might need to be disregarded in order to accomodate the possibility of a government plot to bring down the WTC.

And the earth, of course, looks like a pizza and rests on the back of a giant tortoise.

paulnashtn

I agree that dwelling on O’s citizenship is a waste of time and I do not believe that he was born outside the U.S. That being said there are many things that would point to him not being eligible to be president, his adoption and probable Indonesian citizenship, his travel to Afghanistan at a time that you could not travel there on a U.S. passport, and his probable use of foreign citizenship to get admission and student loans for college.
However, all documents relevant to any of these charges are lost, destroyed, or locked up tighter than a drum. He is president and to shout about these things does noone any good what-so-ever. I DO hope that we find the answers someday but I, for one, can wait until he is safely out of office, and let investigative reporters tackle the job of seeing whats under the rocks that O has laid down

http://www.criterionchemical.com Chemical Sam

n/t

http://www.criterionchemical.com Chemical Sam

they’ll all cancel out each other’s votes in 2010 and 2012 anyway, nicht wahr?

Nick Haynes

but I don’t think it has anything to do with your ‘conservatism’.

eburke

Scope

that they so desperately hate they are trying to find any lame excuse they can to get rid of him, far before the 2012 election. The rational folks are willing to fight him with his bad policies, and, get rid of him in the next normal presidential election cycle.

http://www.erickerickson.org Erick Erickson

n/t

mbecker908

JD is a birther, that would be the least of his problems in Arizona. I don’t know if RS will support him, but none of the Republican House delegation – all of whom are just slightly to the right of Attila the Hun – are supporting him.

http://www.linkedin.com/in/williamgainey billg

the 2nd and 10 Amendments be banned next?

hickorystick

Born 1/7/2010 Banned 2/12/2010 7:15 PM. R.I.P.

aesthete

Does that answer your question?

omarsuarez

What I’m trying to say (as respectfully and constructively as I can, Moe) is that, as Erick points out, the Birthers have become a political liability. But it’s a political liability that we helped to create by enabling and in many ways actively feeding the nonsense.

I feel like it puts me in the minority here sometimes, but I’ll say it again. There are plenty of legitimate things to be angry about that we don’t need to invent ones that don’t exist. They only weaken the message. Erick and many others have said the same thing! But what I’m saying is that we ignore OUR role in the Birthers becoming a liability at our peril, because then we’re just going to do it again.

Overreaching in anger can come back to bite you. That’s what’s happening now. And I’m just urging everybody not to let it happen again. Argue with all the passion you can muster, but argue points that are *legitimate*. Call out BS even when it’s in your own house. In the end, that only strengthens the message.

Is this really such a crazy idea?

mbecker908

into the black community to fund some war or another.

Scope

You have been a member for along time, you have posted many comments. Why would you even ask this question, when you know darn well what the position on 2nd and 10th amendments are here at Redstate.

mbecker908

people either.

MarkBird

I agree with Eric’s decision to ban both truthers and birthers, but I am concerned that he left the impression that truthers and birthers are morally equivalent. There is a huge difference between the two. Please, Eric, clarify.

I like what Third Street said about this:

?Birthers? and ?Truthers? are not comparable to one another. Truthers, for whatever sick reasons, attempt to deny something that every single one of us saw happen with our own eyes, an event whose particulars have ample facts, evidence, and documentation of all sorts backing it up. Birthers, on the other hand, sprung up as a result of a vacuum of available facts, and deliberate attempts to hide public records. You don?t have to believe Obama was born in Kenya to wonder just what the heck is going on with the sealing of BCs and college transcripts, and everyone I know, friends and family alike, who know about this concealment and are level-headed, down-to-earth conservatives, does wonder what the heck is going on with that, though it isn?t exactly a frequent topic of conversation.

MarkBird

Sorry for misspelling your name this time.

http://briansimpson.wordpress.com Brian Simpson

at least have a functioning understanding of what the First Amendment means.

http://slcliberty.blogivists.com randy streu

might be.

Tool.

Scope

a Rhoades Scholar, and, I’ll throw in the Bohemian Grove, if you include ketchup and salt with the fries?

And since it’s your lucky day, I’ll give you the secret files on the CIA developing AIDS in Africa to lessen the African population.

tnredstate

so the event put on by the Tea Party Nation in Nashville doesn’t represent a national movement. The Tea Party movement is, for the most part, local and state based as it should be. By calling this national they were just inviting criticism of the entire movement. I watched PJTV’s coverage of the speech by Joseph Farah where he talked about Obama’s birth certificate. What was worse than his statement was the crowd’s reaction when they cheered in agreement. The MSM is going to denigrate this movement regardless because it scares the hell out of them. Vigilance is definitely the key in keeping the whack-job groups from trying to latch on.

herdgadfly

Your post is straight out of the Charles Johnson school of blogging whereby the host is smarter than his readers. I am not a truther and technically not a birther because I do not dwell on the refusal of the President to release his records, including details of his schooling and about his birth.

But neither can I simply dismiss my dismay of Presidential secrecy because Erick Erickson said I must. I got banned by Chuckles for a comment much milder than this, so I am not much concerned about what you might do.

Successful bloggers need to step back and consider how the readers are affected by Jack Boot tactics. Even the note at the bottom of this comment box is offensive to me. so I will tell you what I intend to do.

I will remove RedState from my blog favorites and I will somehow find interesting reading at sites where the the blogger does not step on the First Amendment. Like CJ, you can revel in the comments of your fan base. Charles now has Conservatives turned Progressive. I am not sure where you are headed, but i don’t much care.

http://UnitedConservativesofVirginia Cargosquid

Private website and all that. I agree that this is not the site for them.

But comparing people that believe that the smoke of the birth certificate controversy means that there is fire to nazis and racists is JUST FREAKING WRONG! Its downright DISREPECTFUL to conservatives that are, otherwise, ON YOUR SIDE! Fine. You don’t feel there is a problem and that the assorted “birthers” are nuts. Ok.

But when YOU are comparing them to nazis and racists, YOU are putting anything that they say in the same light as the liberals.

The Tea Party is DESTINED to get a “bad name.” Who the heck do you think gives out the names? THE LEFT!

The comparisons to nazis started with Pelosi. The left will always invoke nazis and racists whenever there is opposition to the progressive agenda.

http://erickbrockway.wordpress.com/ Erick Brockway

Same reason.

http://UnitedConservativesofVirginia Cargosquid

nt

http://www.erickerickson.org Erick Erickson

Those are crazy positions to have. They are constitutional.

http://www.erickerickson.org Erick Erickson

bye.

Scope

Their dropping like fleas from the dirty dogs they just laid down with.

mbecker908

I will remove RedState from my blog favorites and I will somehow find interesting reading at sites where the the blogger does not step on the First Amendment.

Redstate is what is referred to as “private property”. It is not the property of the US government and the first amendment commentary on free speech refers to censorship by the government. Last I looked, Erick is not President.

Scope

with the Alex Jones website. You will do well there.

http://erickbrockway.wordpress.com/ Erick Brockway

Scope

troofers- You lucky numbers 9 and 11.

http://erickbrockway.wordpress.com/ Erick Brockway

Return to Revolution

http://www.nighttwister.com NightTwister

Scope

made the biggest mistake in making it such an expensive event. If it were an event, held in a public area, where all Tea Partiers could attend, it may have been much more successful. It was a Tea Party elitist event. That is exactly what the Tea Party people are against.

BD57

one that is focused on the proper role of government and how we should go forward as a nation, one that doesn’t spend its time on things like “I want to see Obama’s birth certificate”….

Because if that’s your political platform, worst case you’re out of business no later than January 20, 2017 (and hopefully earlier).

A legitimate political “movement” is about ideas, not personalities.

Trelaina

are the morons who don’t understand the meaning of the First Amendment.

http://briansimpson.wordpress.com Brian Simpson

clement

(Per MSNBC)

Please don’t! I fear the ban hammer.

dajeeps

Where the truth lies in Obama’s past would not be so much of an issue for some.

I’m not a ‘birfer’, although I must admit that the issue aroused my curiosity when it first came about. I am more of a constitutionalist, rather than a traditional conservative, so it did cause some internal conflict there, but I am not completely blind to political realities and the fact that some dogs are better off left sleeping because it would be more damaging to society than productive to wake them up. I found myself in a heated argument with a birther right before the inaguration (an unwinable one I might add) about whether the information they had should be acted upon. I tried to convince this person that they should wait until the O hangs himself by his own petard because otherwise it would look pretty bad and the public at large was already pretty riled up from the financial crisis and crashing stock market. It would be the last thing the conservative movement should be tied to. It’s bad for us and bad for the country, and I don’t want them throwing the baby out with the bath water.

Scope

that was a classic hickorystick.

DONTREADONME

I will hereby refer to the President as not eligible for the presidency based on his incompetence and not on the questionable circumstances of his burf, considering his birth certification seems not to be in question?!?!? So, do I get banned now because after writing that I have no idea what I just said?!?!? Hitting the JD a little too hard tonight! hiccup!

jdaman

Very good, vigilance and cleaning up a bit will do a great deal of good in the long run.

janis

It’s awfully muddy here in Tennessee this winter and I’m tired of messing up my good shoes. Are Jack Boots waterproof? Will they make my butt look smaller?

Please send catalog soonest.

Trelaina

spaceman_spiff

I’m a birfer BUT I’m also a realist. Hypothetical: Joseph Farah proves that President Obama is not a citizen, like yesterday. Next step? Impeachment! Yea, right. I’m holding my breath for that one. Fact of the matter is, it will probably take the election of 2010 AND the election of 2012 to get enough representatives seeing it our way to get an impeachment and then it is an iffy proposition. Can anyone say William Jefferson Clinton? Why wast the energy when you can just wait and vote him out of office.

As far as banning someone, anyone, from a web site (your web site) I’m OK with that. Your web site, your rules. The ancient Greeks said ?Without Law There Can be no Freedom.? That just doesn’t apply to countries and governments but to work places, movie theaters and web sites, too. You got my vote!

Webmaster: http://www.maricopagop.org/

Beasley Beesmeal

5

penguin2

high heels, otherwise you will have to carry those. Also look up flak jackets, looks like we are going to need them around here.

goodrichard

Because I believe that Congress must call a Constitutional convention to establish the definition of the words “natural born citizen.” Because I believe that no state has the right to its own definition of “natural born citizen” thereby giving each the ability to confer Presidential eligibility on anyone the please.

http://beaglescout.wordpress.com Beaglescout

The birfers are welcome to do their irrelevant thing wherever they want. But not here. Not with us.

writeblock

…but neither does it matter. Why do we keep worrying about what the liberal press thinks or how it might mischaracterize us? We give the media too much influence when we constantly monitor it, looking for its approval. Fringe groups are a minor nuisance, nothing more.

hickorystick

Looking up which Charles Johnson you were you were talking about, I came across this Soul-gospel rapture minded singer. Pretty nice
http://www.charlesjohnsonandtherevivers.com/music/walkbyfaith.mp3

mbecker908

you’ve just set a new standard for stupidity.

tngal

The Conservative political action conference coming up in about a week might shine a little light on the path ahead for the party. Although they haven’t mentioned tea party per se, you can tell who they’re aiming at. Some speech topics include “saving freedom from a big government agenda and “grassroots activist workshop. Beck will be the keytnote speaker and there’s a boatload of good voices throught the conference, Bachman, Armey, Coulter, Breitbart, etc
.(Not sure whose giving the birther/truther speech though. ).

http://stixblog.com Black River Wolf

that is awesome

janis

But I do hope that someone makes your wish come true. It’s just good housekeeping to sweep the dust bunnies out with the rest of the useless clutter. You be good now, richard, and don’t take yourself so seriously. I assure that we don’t.

Trelaina

They are coming out of the woodwork ASKING to be banned.

Erick, you are a genius. Thankyouthankyouthankyou.

SteveLA

Settle all those “other” troubling questions:

Ginger or Mary Ann?
Is there such a thing as “Jumbo Shrimp”?
If you put a whole packet of pop rocks in your mouth, what will happen?
Who framed Roger Rabbit?

The list of things that a Constitutional convention should consider is long.

http://stixblog.com Black River Wolf

Jack Boots also.

scarlos

The Last thing we need is for the lefties to get an excuse to torcelli him with some other, charismatic, young lefty and start the cycle of expanding government and playing the race card all over again.

discerningconservative

attempts to get banned since ajl_mo.

avgamerican

You re right. All that is very unsettling and it is hard to ignore. Perhaps birther is the wrong heading to describe it. His mother afterall was an undisputed American citizen. Other than that big technicality, Barack Obama would seemingly be the most un-American to ever be elected president. He seems to be a leader of a culture that is all opposed to the United States.

mbecker908

I hadn’t considered those “other” issues. Oh, and Where’s Waldo?

Trelaina

a part of me was so disappointed when he got his wish.

mbecker908

but if you get the jack boots with the optional nifty machine gun I can pretty much guarantee you nobody will say anything about it.

mbecker908

dajeeps

General Welfare, and Necessary & Proper would be far more productive should a constitutional convention be called. I do not, however, believe one is necessary because one could make a strong enough argument that past court decisons have effectively rendered the 10th amendment moot, which was never an accepted rule of constitutional construction and amendment of the constitution through mootness is not within the powers vested in the judiciary. I suppose you can imagine what I think of stare decisis and what they can do with it.

In the grand scheme of things, the distortion of these clauses has caused far greater damage to the Republic, to our liberty, and economic wellbeing over time than anything Obama could ever do. Any nefarious intentions he may have, or anyone else for that matter, are only empowered by the weakening of the protections contined in the 10th amendment, and the consentration of political power in Washington DC rather than have it distributed among the states as intended.

gekster

He did know how to do it.

Beasley Beesmeal

great for ‘I quit Redstate’ parties!

Beasley Beesmeal

…..

Nick Haynes

you are the definition of idiot. There are two types of natural-born citizens: those who were born anywhere in the world to two American citizens, and any person born on American soil.*

This isn’t ‘states setting their own precedent’, unless you are a birfer and believe that Obama wasn’t born in Hawaii. Obama’s mom could have been a ~~foreigner~~ furn’er** along with his father, and it wouldn’t matter–as long as he was born anywhere in the United States, he qualifies as a natural-born citizen, same as most posters on this site.

And your call for a constitutional convention, to debate the birfer issue, is completely asinine. There’s a reason why we have courts and legislatures and amendments, and there’s a reason why Redstate has policies like the aforementioned ban.

Please take TEH STUPID elsewhere.

* U.S. v. Wong Kim Ark, 169 U.S. 649 (1898)

** Edited for goodrichard’s syntax

http://www.hakubi.us/ Neil Stevens

… when the Waco Kid asked Bart to shoot him.

Well, goodbye.

Beasley Beesmeal

you didn’t lose it, did you?

http://www.hakubi.us/ Neil Stevens

…and that was to spam so much that I didn’t feel like deleting it all in lieu of banning.

Sadly, he figured that out.

RedBeard

How could you even ask such a ridiculous question?

I mean, really. Come on, now.

It’s Mary Ann, all the way.

bs

Read it here

eburke

In the past two weeks he’s taken a pass on a birther…refused to show up on a Saturday unless he got overtime lettuce…and slept through a suicidal poster.

‘Course, when you’re in high demand, you can pick and choose when and where you choose to show up.

nessa

the chinstrap helps keep it tight on my head when turning suddenly to see who’s following (a paranoid ivan) and the studs scatter the mind control lasers before they can burn through the titanium outer shell.

gekster

I know it’s around here some where…….
and I had to get a dry keyboard.

pwest

Erick, this is the right thing to do; we have too much to do and too much at stake this election year and in 2012. All the left will do is use any birther material posted here or anywhere to besmearch the Tea Party movement and in turn Republicans!

eburke

america1st

I will not raise the issue of bozo’s putative birth circumstances here again, but that doesn’t mean I buy the assertions made by TOTUS and its fellow travelers about its origins. The lengths to which it has gone to obscure records of its history before the community organizer days are in themselves a compelling insinuation of some sort of fraud or “juicy” closet skeletons. People simply don’t go to such lengths absent some very damaging and / or embarrassing circumstances. It may have been born in Hawaii in circumstances which would make it technically American, it may not have. The main thing is to prevent it and the other treasonous leftist scum from doing any more damage to this nation . . . then exorcise this vile cancer in its entirety by whatever means necessary.

discerningconservative

…how you say you won’t raise the issue, then proceed to raise the issue.

gekster

“As it is, RedState may be on the cutting edge of conservatives who want to make sure the tea party remains a relevant and respectable force in American politics.”

http://www.lookoutkokomo.com lookoutkokomo

It happened in 2008. Hope. Change.

It never lasts for long though.

http://www.suvstrategery.blogspot.com SoFiMil

Well done Erick, and well done RedStaters.

One request though. Erick, would you consider making an exception for Rita X?

DONTREADONME

no seriously, I need some silent invisible black helicopter theory to subscribe to so my life has meaning? Any suggestions?

6eorge Jetson

a civil war that ended in a nuclear armegeddon, just after Baby Barack and his spending DNA was shot toward Earth in a rocket.

But no, I wouldn’t pursue that in court.

Ridicules Birfers while still taking a shot at Obama. I got skillz.

http://www.lookoutkokomo.com lookoutkokomo

Of course I subscribe to neither of the two groups views. And I’m certainly not addressing your ban of them on RS.

But it strikes me funny you elaborated on the Teaparty the way you did.

Let me understand. You don’t support a Repbulican ‘purity test’ but you demand one in the Teaparty?

6eorge Jetson

Unfortunately, badrichard showed up today

nessa

Silent black helicopters? Must be Ronulan cloaking devices. Dammit.

discerningconservative

That’s way too small… I use the patented Aluminum Foil Deflector Sombrero.

6eorge Jetson

that’s about as hard to pass as the driver’s license renewal test at the DMV.

I do support a Republican Purity Test in essay form to be graded by the voters. And Erick is one of the hardest Conservative graders.

6eorge Jetson

nt

DONTREADONME

mixture in the form of a bowler hat.

Richard Mullins

I sort of feel left out on the party. I wonder what’s going to happen the next time some like this happens. Perhaps, I post a collecting diary to get them. That will get rid of the undesirables.

dajeeps

I think the documentation issue is more about appropriateness based upon political reality. Just because a question can be asked doesn’t mean that it should be. Who is asking it, when and under what circumstances are similarly important.

Even if there were some legitimacy to the birther claim, one does not just go demanding to see all the documentation of someone who won the election under the circumstances Obama did without committing political suicide. Given the sort of mob mentality public mood from just having gone through the worst economic crisis in recent memory, it could easily cause instability that would far be worse for the country than letting what is essentially a technicality go.

I don’t think people are fruit loops for asking a question based upon the text of the constitution, but I do find it inappropriate for the time we are living in and worse than counterproductive for the nation as whole. I criticized Obama for being hyper-partisan when so many felt like our economic world was caving in and were genuinely frightened. We could have used a good dose of benevolent political leadership and a feeling of unity to assuage our fears. He certainly had the nation’s ear and the capability to do that. Instead we got an administration full of communists who started plowing into conservatives and devising death panels. In my book, those committed to the birther cause are no better simply because of the backlash they would bring to an already troubled nation should they ever get anywhere and I really want nothing to do with them.

nessa

…to each his own. It also depends on the occasion, a sombrero may not be appropriate on St Patricks Day. Cinco de mayo on the other hand…

nessa

unlike the real thing I can actually afford left over wrapping paper. The bowler would be outstanding on St Patricks Day. (see above)

discerningconservative

On St. Patty’s Day, I just wrap a leprechaun in tin foil, and perch him atop my head. I put in a couple of air holes… I’m not a complete A-hole.

Finrod

The Puffington Host is a haven of anti-vaccine types, to the point that people that respond that there’s no scientific evidence of such are noisily shouted down.

nessa

discerningconservative

Finrod

http://hillbuzz.org/2010/02/12/the-gruthers/

Finrod

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DONTREADONME

it will be worth Quadrillions I tell you or will it be Quiintillions before all is said in done by the Teh Trillion dollar president?

http://www.suvstrategery.blogspot.com SoFiMil

If not, watch out for the Green Police.

http://www.suvstrategery.blogspot.com SoFiMil

Didn’t see it until after I mentioned the Green Police a few minutes ago.

DONTREADONME

nessa

The leftists are willing to pay through the nose for the scent of unicorn farts!! Just don’t tell them that, much like the fancy European bottled water, I fill them “out of the tap” so to speak. I recommend a diet, for your “unicorn”, of boiled cabbage and Pabst Blue Ribbon for maximum production…

http://www.suvstrategery.blogspot.com SoFiMil

Note that John Kerry didn’t say he’ll accept your assertions, but he has promised to look into it. Mean ‘ol Erick, however, won’t give you the time of day.

John Kerry – Ban/Blam

Question regarding WTC Bldg. #7

Answer: “Uh, you know, he’s part of the construction, reconstruction effort, the memorial, the use of the land, etcetera. There’s been a long tug of war going on in New York, I am not following every aspect of it… but I’ll check what the story is. I’ll take a look at it, based on what you said. You are the first people, anywhere in the country, who have brought this to my attention.”

http://campaignspot.nationalreview.com/post/?q=OGY0NzMxMWYwYmJjMzAyNzExYjgzZGVjNmI5MGMzNjA=Howard Dean – Ban/Blam

Madeleine Albright – Ban/Blam
“Do you suppose that the Bush administration has Osama bin Laden hidden away somewhere and will bring him out before the election?”

Howard Dean – Ban/Blam
“The most interesting theory that I’ve heard so far, which is nothing more than a theory, I can’t?think it can’t be proved, is that he (Bush) was warned ahead of time by the Saudis.”

wolfster38

Well said Erick, let these people start their own movement if they believe this with all their heart. See how many people come out to a Birfers and Truthers protest, this is why they have to highjack the tea party. They can get together with the Lyndon La Ruche nutjobs!

http://www.suvstrategery.blogspot.com SoFiMil

If you must bottle it, don’t use plastic.

nessa

Maybe scratch and sniff…

DONTREADONME

I am not here to tell you that “unicorn farts do indeed smell like rainbows” funny we moved on to that topic.

nessa

DONTREADONME

nessa

…Thank God for the electoral college.

jayburd

rfpzzzzz

I guess, “pick your fights rather than squander your energy” is probably the practical operative here because the issue will never go anywhere. He has 25% of his term finished and even with real evidence the courts and the political system will not invalidate the election.
Judging from your comment , I cannot see why anyone would ban you. I was banned from FreeRepublic because I thought Romney’s business experience might be of real use to our country and I did not like anti-Mormon bullies. They became almost hysterical. I just left because I realized those folks had a problem not me.
If the owner of the site doesn’t want to discuss a particular issue that will on -balance be a loser for his purposes , he has that right. Insults and name calling are probably on-balance a loser as well.

tessd

So if one believes BHO was born in Hawaii but there may be legitimate issues about his eligibility based on multiple citizenship, does that make one a “banned birfer” at RS?

If one believes he was born in Hawaii, but should still be transparent and forthcoming about personal, scholastic, medical, and professional records, does that disqualify one from RS?

If one is curious about POTUS’s family background, noting that even respectable biographers like Mendell have unanswered questions, are such questions taboo at RS?

It’s righteous, I suppose, to declare a ban on the “fringe,” but draw your lines with clarity, please. Don’t you owe that much to loyal readers?

http://www.suvstrategery.blogspot.com SoFiMil

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Scope

and got all of 24 votes. Of course he would be supporting the Ron Paul candidate, Debra Medina.

cbpelto

TO: Erick
RE: Problems w/Freedom of Expression?

This move strikes me as being VERY bad. Just because you disagree with someone is not justification for ‘killing’ them. You remind me of Charles Johnson and his ilk. Your on the same path, using the same technique.

Regards,

Chuck(le)
[If you can't convince 'em, KILL 'em.]

http://briansimpson.wordpress.com Brian Simpson

This is an issue of credibility. The birthers and truthers carry no credibility. Their presence here hurts the credibility of a site like RedState that is read around the world by lots of people.

cbpelto

TO: Erick
RE: You’re Only Fooling Yourself

We’ve got gadflies here in the town where I live. They are continually showing up at meetings of the City Council and raising all kinds of wild allegations. They’re credibility is shot all to hell.

HOWEVER, when the City Council decided to drop televised public forums as part of regular city council meetings, just to keep them off the air, the whole town rose up and voted in an ordinance REQUIRING the City Council to televise their public forum.

What’s my point?

You’re doing the same thing here.

Yeah. Maybe it’s Obama’s eligibility today. What will it be tomorrow? Something else you arbitrarily decide that you don’t care to hear anymore?

Johnson’s doing that. He started off banning people over one topic and then, arbitrarily he banned me for expressing my christianity. God and he alone know what he’s banned so far, but based on what I’m picking up from various sources, it’s become quite a list.

You’ve just taken the first step on the same slippery slope. And you’re rationalizing it too boot.

Regards,

Chuck(le)
P.S. Did you just have a wish to ban/kill ME because I’m disagreeing with you on a matter of policy? Not on being a ‘birther’?

1stRichard

This has gotten so bad that I have been accused of being a birther by moonbats for saying Obama was born in and lived in Honolulu, Hawaii. Did you ever try to convince a moonbat that Hawaii is part of the US, its not easy. I only hope we do not get as bad as the moonbats and we must be intelligent about this. This is Alinsky at its finest

Rule 5: Ridicule is man?s most potent weapon. It?s hard to counterattack ridicule, and it infuriates the opposition, which then reacts to your advantage.

Let?s not react improperly

Rule 11: Pick the target, freeze it, personalize it, polarize it. Don?t try to attack abstract corporations or bureaucracies. Identify a responsible individual. Ignore attempts to shift or spread the blame.

So then what about the fact that most birthers are also truthers, what side are they on, they are on the left.

america1st

n/t

http://www.suvstrategery.blogspot.com SoFiMil

..

cbpelto

P.P.S. I think the tagline on your reply to me was QUITE apropos….

Important principles may and must be inflexible. ~ Abraham Lincoln

And freedom of expression IS an IMPORTANT PRINCIPLE that you seem to be tossing out.

cbpelto

Please expand on that.

Regards,

Chuck(le)
[Information is the currency of democracy. -- Thomas Jefferson]

JadedByPolitics

or were you too blinded by your desire to slap Redstate for keeping CRAZY people off of their boards to recognize that? 4 years and the Ron Paul bannings and the fights over Conservative vs Republicans during the past couple of election cycles and you come out to question the birther movement banning….CRAZY!

http://slcliberty.blogivists.com randy streu

This IS a place to rationally discuss points of disagreement.

Here’s the trouble with birthers/truthers, if you care to hear it: we’ve heard ALL the arguments. There is not a damned nugget of difference from one birther to the next, or among truthers. And, at first, we gave them rational arguments, just like any idea.

They didn’t listen. They kept opening their yaps, and closing their ears.

And then, they kept coming.

There is a point at which they are just wasting space, and you’re forced to say enough is enough.

We’re at that point.

I don’t expect you’ll get it, but don’t come in sermonizing that these raging morons need to be given a podium. They can have one — I’m sure there are thousands of mostly abandoned Ron Paul forums they could occupy. They just don’t need ours.

http://www.suvstrategery.blogspot.com SoFiMil

All I know for sure though, is you’re a nut.

Click this link to understand the context of my comment. http://www.redstate.com/users/cbpelto/

http://slcliberty.blogivists.com randy streu

and the ability to decide who we let on it.

janis

If so, I’ll take them in a woman’s size 8, black, please. Do they come in suede, perhaps? I like suede boots. I understand that they prevent slipping down slopes, too. For this winter in particular, that’s a handy feature to have.

http://www.suvstrategery.blogspot.com SoFiMil

n/t

cbpelto

TO: n/t
RE: Aw Nuts

All I know for sure though, is you?re a nut. — n/t

….I like the way that Texas minister puts it…

I may be a ‘nut’, but I’m screwed on the right ‘Bolt’. — John Hagee

RE: 4 Years 1 Month

I don’t swing by this place very often.

Regards,

Chuck(le)
[God is alive....and Airborne-Ranger qualified. -- Chaplain at the Airborne Chapel, Benning School for Boys]

P.S. And so am I….

….but it takes a ‘nut’ to jump out of a perfectly good airplane while it’s in flight. Don’t you think?

cbpelto

TO: All
RE: Notice How the Banning Will Expand

Now defending freedom of expression is considered ‘crazy’.

The slippery-slope. We’re on it and it’s steeper than originally thought.

Regards,

Chuck(le)
[You cannot be trusted with the big issues if you are not faithful in keeping the smaller ones.]

http://slcliberty.blogivists.com randy streu

you actually tried responding to some of the logical arguments being made against your position, instead of just going after the “personal attacks.”

I doubt you can, but it’s worth a shot.

(what’s the over/under on Chuck(les) either not responding at all,or JUST responding to THIS post?)

janis

RedState has banned three groups in the time I’ve been here. The RON PAUL, RON PAUL bunch during the primaries, and the birfers/troofers now. All of them needed banning because they infest the site with stupidity.

All three groups have one thing in common: they insist that their point of view is the ONLY CORRECT POINT OF VIEW. And they will not shut up about it. They are the ones who regularly threadjack other diaries and articles to spout their crap, they are usually the ones who start the ad hominem attacks when no one wants to hear their so called “facts” and they are the ones who affect a wounded attitude of self-righteous indignation when they are called on their obnoxious behavior.

In short, they don’t play well with others and they don’t belong on a website that is noted for its intelligent writing and commentary. And, neither, by the way, do you.

http://slcliberty.blogivists.com randy streu

Help! Help! I’m being Repressed!

janis

cbpelto

TO: Randy Streu
RE: This Place?

This IS a place to rationally discuss points of disagreement. — Randy Streu

And I’m here to ‘rationally discuss’. However, notice (above) how I’m labeled a ‘nut’ and/or ‘crazy’ because I stand for freedom of expression.

we?ve heard ALL the arguments. There is not a damned nugget of difference from one birther to the next, or among truthers. — Randy Streu

Interesting. Now we stereotype and consider it good judgment. Personally? I’ve found each individual worthy of listening to. And no two of them are exactly alike. Stereotyping gets you to the point that one classifies people as you seem to be.

RE: A Possible Solution

They didn?t listen. They kept opening their yaps, and closing their ears.And then, they kept coming.

There is a point at which they are just wasting space, and you?re forced to say enough is enough.

We?re at that point. — Randy Streu

Not dropping by this place all that often, I haven’t seen the problem you have experienced. But may I conjecture on it?

Based on your comment, I get the impression that these people are bringing this matter up on threads where it is not part of the topic at hand.

If that understanding IS correct, I’d suggest just deleting their comments. Or, better still, come up with a place on the site I’d call ‘The Dungeon’. A place where the people who have admin authority over comments can send non sequitur comments to, rather than outright deleting them. Then people can go visit the dungeon to see the ‘crazies’ on display. They could leave in the offending comment’s place a button to take people to The Dungeon, if they desired to see such. In that manner you could honestly say you are (1) keeping the threads ‘on-topic’ and (2) not ‘killing’ people.

Surely someone who has the sophistication to build a web-site like THIS could do something like that.

Hope that helps.

Regards,

Chuck(le)
[Isn't sanity just a one trick pony anyway? I mean, all you get is one trick: rational thinking. But when you're good and crazy, the sky's the limit! -- The Tick]

http://slcliberty.blogivists.com randy streu

Why is it incumbent on RS to give these people a voice at all? It’s their property, they get to decide who to let in.

As Janis pointed out, ultimately, they don’t play well with others. Why should WE have to put up with them?

Not dropping by that often, your conjecture is ill-informed. We have folks like you up here in Northern New York. The Adirondack Park makes up a large part of our area, and a lot of people live there year-round. A LOT of people.

And yet, the park’s rules are created, in part, by a group of people who rarely condescend to make the trip northward (if ever), and yet have decided that THEY know what’s best for folks up here and that they ought to be the ones to make the rules. Frankly, I think they ought to be run out at gunpoint. But that’s just me.

They, sadly, have the backing of the State Government, so their arrogance in deciding that they should get a say on policy in a place they rarely, if ever, step foot is legislated arrogance. Yours isn’t. The folks who run things here are actually people who stick around and participate.

janis

and you seriously think that RedState needs to rework it’s website at your suggestion? You never bothered to post a diary, nor even comment until this article was posted. Who gives a damn what you think ? The ones who read here and write here regularly have established their credibility. You have done neither and therefore have neither credibility nor any reasonable expectation that RedState should care a fig what you think about anything.

JadedByPolitics

…….

janis

in exchange for your techie skills. Seems I am doomed to a life of failed linkage and disappointing embedding attempts. Well, what can you say. We all have our gifts and our attendant crosses to bear.

eburke

on your first post….

please try to drop by even less often.

eburke

give you a hand if you can’t find a Constitution with pictures.

This is a privately-owned site.

It is run by private individuals.

There is no ‘freedom of expression’ to defend.

You can write anything you feel like.

They can kick your a@@ off for breathing funny if they want to.

Get the picture?

Trelaina

I love the demands from nobodies coming out because of this. I’m republican and you’re republican so that gives me the right to make demands of your website that I wandered out to 4 years ago and barely clicked on since.

Heck, I consider myself in the nobody camp (well, maybe the higher levels of nobody ) and I’ve got 4 1/2 years here and a decent comment history.

janis

It’s just gobsmacking to see the number of people who feel they’re entitled to set policy here. Nutcases who, as you so rightly pointed out, have no writing history here, and who, in this guy’s case, have admitted that they don’t “swing by often.” My suspicion is that 99% of these people are the ones who also write cranky letters to the editors of their local newspapers, but who balk at the very notion of doing anything useful to effect change in the real world.

It’s just so much easier to sit in your dark basement and crank out complaints and criticisms with your Cheeto-stained fingers, isn’t it?

And I’m a nobody here, too, Trelaina, but RedState needs us nobodies to fill out the community, no?

Trelaina

“And I?m a nobody here, too, Trelaina, but RedState needs us nobodies to fill out the community, no?”

I most definitely have a smile on my face when I say I’m a nobody here. I’m not a writer or a blogger, but I’m a part of RedState for sure and I LOVE it!

AndrewHyman

I agree with banning birthers and truthers. Unless and until they come up with some actual evidence that Obama was born outside the U.S., all the available evidence points the other way. Should Obama and/or the State of Hawaii release a copy of the original 1961 long-form certificate that names the hospital and the attending physician? Yes. Does refusal to release it prove that he was born outside the U.S.? No.

Scope

“If you can’t convince ‘em, KILL ‘em.]”

Even though the commentors have hit the target so many times, you have proven that you can’t convince or kill something that didn’t have a brain to begin with.

builder20

…the “Moon truthers” as well?

I swear to donuts, EVERY single person in my school believes

1. 9/11 was an inside job
2. The US never went to the moon
3. The NRA was created by the KKK

mind you these are Germans, who are DAILY fed absolute propaganda crap from the state run “News” and TV organizations.

But (bang my head against the wall in frustration) reason is riding in on a horse for some of these guys! MEIN GOTT, ENDLICH!!!!

…I can picture it now, Erick and Moe on a summer camp stage leading a song for the redstate regular masses!

Goin on a Truther hunt (Goin on a Truther hunt)
Bum ch-ch Bum Bum
Gonna Catch a BIG One (Gonna catch a Big One)
Bum ch-ch Bum Bum
But I’m not scared (But I’m not Scared)
Bum ch-ch Bum Bum
Cause I got my BLAM stick (cause I got my blam stick)

tessd

Nope.

http://conservativestateproject.blogspot.com/ SE-779

That summer camp song made my morning! And I agree, “Truthers”, “Birthers”, and “Mooners” need to go. This site is here to provide an outlet for the Conservative Movement, not to debate the crazies. I applaud Erick for what he is doing and hope he’ll get to the “Mooners” in no time.

janis

tell me where RedState is banning YOUR freedom of expression?

http://slcliberty.blogivists.com randy streu

then you’re a lurker.

who the hell cares what lurkers think?

tessd

Since my clicks help boost his advertising revenue.

Are you suggesting that only readers who regularly comment have value to this site’s owners?

Beasley Beesmeal

?

http://slcliberty.blogivists.com randy streu

Which is why the lurkers who agree with this aren’t popping in to say anything.

I’m sure those lurkers who are offended by this will leave, and will not make that large a dent (if one is even noticeable) in the number of clicks on-site.

http://www.laborunionreport.comandhttp://www.laborunionreport.blogspot.com LaborUnionReport

janis

are the ones who have made their positions known here. While lurkers certainly have value in terms of upping the hits at RS, we have no way of knowing who they are and what they think if they don’t write something somewhere. So, from that standpoint, lurkers may have less value than those who take the time and make the effort to post something.

As for your questions about Obama’s legitimacy to be POTUS, why is it not enough that he is unqualified for the job due to his lack of executive experience and his notable dislike for everything that America stands for? Any and all questions of his birth circumstances are rendered moot by the fact that the man already has the job and will continue to have it until 2012, barring any impeachable offenses. Why not use your energy to see to it that we enlarge the grassroots activism necessary to pull this country back from the brink of utter ruin?

tessd

The fact is that the typical reader visits many sites on a regular basis, but doesnt necessarily have the time to become a loyal participant in the form of posting comments.

I am sure that Erick gets that.

I’d love to read your “30 minute” argument for whatever, but I have to leave to go to work.

If Erick wants to ban me because I never comment and asked questions about his new policy, that’s his option. His site, and all that….

For me, I don’t mind spending time on sites that have editorial policies which keep the dialog flowing on course, but I do appreciate clear and concise standards.

That’s all. Have a fabulous day!

eburke

casting of electoral votes in the Electoral College. Any further discussion of it plays into Obama’s Allinsky playbook by distracting from the Marxist Utopia he’s trying to impose on us. So, if I were king (which, thankfully I’m not) my answer to the first question is “Yes”, that’s a birther = banning

Second question – I believe those are legitimate questions still but much less relevant than they were before the election when the LSM drank deeply from the Obama Kool-Aid pitcher and utterly abdicated their responsibility to vett His Holiness. While I believe they *could* legitimately be part of the discussion today, there’s such a mother-lode of pertinent, current damning information that why not use the present rather than the past. ‘Sides, if ‘we’ do it, it’s going to look like sour grapes, and the press didn’t even do it the first time so good luck with them doing it now.

Number 3 I think was added as a snarky way of making a point… cause I don’t think even you believe that you would be banned for positing such questions.

mbecker908

There are “issues” and then are issues. Some can be pressed and won and will benefit the country. Some are mental masturbation.

Stopping nationalized health care, stopping the expansion of government, blocking people like Craig (no relation) Becker, blocking card check, blocking Universal Voter Registration, etc are issues of national importance that we can – and currently are – win.

The birth certificate is a certified loser. The American people don’t care, they elected Obama. The Electoral College cast their votes for him and Chief Justice Roberts administered the oath of office (twice). And, for the sake of argument, just how would you suggest removing O from office if it turns out he is NOT a natural born citizen? There’s no way you’re going to impeach him.

I would offer up a recent example that I think is an excellent corollary. Bill Clinton got elected and embarked on a leftist agenda and got smacked down by Newt and the American People. We had the left on the ropes – on the issues – and we got distracted into a great moral crusade and decided to impeach Billy for a blow job. The People saw this as petty and rallied to his support and we lost the battle of issues.

We now have O on the ropes on the issues. With any luck we can drive a stake through the smarmy heart of socialism and expansive government for a generation right here. But we can only do it by focusing on the issues that matter and that does not include O’s birth certificate. He keeps bringing it up because he knows it is a distraction that people will see – rightly so – as petty and will rally to him. The birth certificate is nothing more than O’s version of a blow job and we can’t afford to make the same mistake twice.

sta46

Perhaps you should do a bit more insightful study of Montessori before you make flip remarks which indicate that you know absolutely NOTHING about what it does, its philosophy, or its successes. As a lifelong Montessori teacher I’ll put it into simplistic terms for you:
1) Each student basically has an IEP based on his/her abilities and level of learning (this is bad because?)
2) Each student can move through the curriculum at his/her own pace (translate the smart ones are not held back by the “standard levels” as dictated to the public schools by the bean counters in charge)
3) Each student is valued in that there is an assumption that each child has innate “gifts” he/she brings to others and is respected for same
4) Montessori children routinely score at the top of their standardized tests…this for those of you who (sadly) feel that knowledege is only worthwhile if it can be quantified by using a number two lead pencil to fill in elliptical bubbles on a piece of beige cardstock.
5) Montessori children are required to THINK, and that is the biggest gift we can give our children… teaching them how to think for themselves.

sta46

Perhaps you should do a bit more insightful study of Montessori before you make flip remarks which indicate that you know absolutely NOTHING about what it does, its philosophy, or its successes. As a lifelong Montessori teacher I’ll put it into simplistic terms for you:
1) Each student basically has an IEP based on his/her abilities and level of learning (this is bad because?)
2) Each student can move through the curriculum at his/her own pace (translate the smart ones are not held back by the “standard levels” as dictated to the public schools by the bean counters in charge)
3) Each student is valued in that there is an assumption that each child has innate “gifts” he/she brings to others and is respected for same
4) Montessori children routinely score at the top of their standardized tests…this for those of you who (sadly) feel that knowledege is only worthwhile if it can be quantified by using a number two lead pencil to fill in elliptical bubbles on a piece of beige cardstock.
5) Montessori children are required to THINK, and that is the biggest gift we can give our children… teaching them how to think for themselves.

Richard Mullins

We have to focus like a laser beam on progressism(sorry for the tired cliche). What ever happened in the past we need that got us in the mess, we need to get rid of, but of course don’t hack a limb if most of it is ok. It’s a line in the sand and our last stand. We don’t nowhere with this birther thing, so we need to purge it in order get closer to the goal. Also, no budget in any state is safe from a second look getting rid of waste(sales tax receipts are down again here in Texas).

6eorge Jetson

She so enjoys giving orders, it’ll be tough for her to show restraint.

cbpelto

TO: Randy Streu
RE: Heh

Why is it incumbent on RS to give these people a voice at all? It?s their property, they get to decide who to let in. — Randy Streu

May as well ask why is it incumbant that we allow ANYONE to express their honestly held opinion ANYWHERE.

Yeah. It’s RS’s site and they can do what they want with it. But, as I’ve been trying to point out?and even offered a good suggestion to deal with the issue….which seems to be being totally ignored?all RS is doing is going the route Charles Johnson has.

It’s as simple as that.

And I’m being ‘damned’ for saying such.

So what. I’ve been abused by the best and the people around here couldn’t stand five seconds with Colonel ‘No Slack’ Stack: my infantry battalion commander, while I commanded an infantry company in said battalion.

Regards,

Chuck(le)
P.S. The way some people are coming across here, you’d think THEY were Truthers. They complain that the Birthers and Truthers don’t listen to them. They don’t seem to listen very well either.

It’s called ‘projection’…..

cbpelto

TO: Randy Streu
RE: Actually

Why is it incumbent on RS to give these people a voice at all? It?s their property, they get to decide who to let in. — Randy Streu

One may as well ask why is it incumbant that we allow ANYONE to express their honestly held opinion ANYWHERE.

Yeah. It’s RS’s site and they can do what they want with it. But, as I’ve been trying to point out?and even offered a good suggestion to deal with the issue….which seems to be being totally ignored?all RS is doing is going the route Charles Johnson has.

It’s as simple as that.

And I’m being ‘damned’ for saying such.

So what. I’ve been abused by the best and the people around here couldn’t stand five seconds with Colonel ‘No Slack’ Stack: my infantry battalion commander, while I commanded an infantry company in said battalion.

Regards,

Chuck(le)
P.S. The way some people are coming across here, you’d think THEY were Truthers. They complain that the Birthers and Truthers don’t listen to them. They don’t seem to listen very well either.

It’s called ‘projection’…..

janis

I’d be truly ashamed to know that we had men serving with your pronounced ignorance of what the 1st Amendment means. As to your being “abused by the best”, I don’t doubt that for a moment. What is hard to fathom is that they were able to stop themselves.

http://slcliberty.blogivists.com randy streu

and just expect that you’re entitled to a friendly reception with balloons and confetti.

You aren’t. Get over it.

Do you go to Walgreens and b*tch because they don’t sell cheeseburgers? Of course not. That’s not what they’re there for. We’re not here to provide a stage for every whackjob that wants to air his special comment on every conspiracy theory under the sun.

That’s what the RonPaul!!(tm) forums are for.

cbpelto

TO: Janis
RE: Well….

I?d be truly ashamed to know that we had men serving with your pronounced ignorance of what the 1st Amendment means. — Janis

….having been someone who put their life on the line?for 27 years?to uphold and defend the Constitution of the United States against ALL enemies, foreign AND domestic, I get the distinct impression I know a bit more about it than a lot of people around here.

Regards,

Chuck(le)
P.S. And what have YOU done for US?

peg_c

There is a strain of lunacy running through the undergrowth of the Tea Party movement. It’s especially evident on FB and running amok. It is seriously dangerous to our movement, or credibility and our ability to have the country as a whole take us seriously as we gather steam going into the Nov. elections. These are sideshow circuses.

The really scary thing is the area of overlap between lefties, birfers, troofers, Ronulans, NWO conspiratorialists (the triumvirate of CFR/Trilateralist/Bilderberger conspiracy addicts) and anti-Semites. Actually, all ideologies (or perhaps movements) contain a strain of insanity. When it comes right down to it, all insane people are the same in some fundamental ways. It needs to be marginalized and walled off.

mbecker908

you don’t have even the most basic understanding of the First.

You are also totally clueless about winning at politics.

You may know something about running an infantry unit and, if that’s the case, you should stick to that.

sfcmac

You made the right decision. There comes a time when the loonies have to be weeded out from the sane, cognitive debaters. Though it’s a joy to poke fun at them, sometimes they are more trouble than they’re worth. They offer no intelligent discourse, and they take up way too much bandwith and oxygen.

eburke

were the resident site snark poohbah.

I’ve been nice to you all this time for nothing?

Sigh!

mbecker908

between here and GA is irritating.

penguin2

“I’m nobody! Who are you?
Are you a nobody too?
Then there’s a pair of us -don’t tell!
They’d banish us, you know.

How dreary to be somebody!
How public, like a frog
To tell your name the livelong day
To an admiring bog!”

We have some great “nobodies” here. Sorry, I couldn’t help myself.

america1st

If America is to be preserved as a strong and free nation, the left must be removed from the political arena, at least until it recovers some semblance of rationality. From the – literal – treason of kerry, kennedy & the NY slimes to the loony tune economic initiatives of bozo & company, the left is destroying this country. Even in the short term, this cancerous rot represents a greater threat to the USA than North Korea or the mohammaden crazies personified by the iranian regime.

I will not collaborate in this. I will oppose these enemies whenever, wherever I can, by *whatever* means it takes to ensure their utter defeat, giving no quarter, accepting no compromise. I tried being conciliatory for 40 years. Big mistake, for the left is intrinsically dishonest and dishonorable. I will treat with them no longer except with a boot on their necks, as I would any other poisonous reptile.

eburke

Goes to show how erudite you are compared to us poor, Texas country bumpkins with dried cow paddies between our toes. Most of the poetry I have memorized starts with:

Roses are red…
Violets are blue…

Feel free to fill in the rest with your own favorite(s)

cbpelto

TO: Janis
RE: ….Reading Skill Issues

tell me where RedState is banning YOUR freedom of expression? — Janis

It would seem so.

But, given time, I suspect that whomever is running this place will decide I deserve being ‘killed’, as I tend to be (1) persistant and (2) effective.

The truth of the matter is that people here seem to be upset with my defense of freedom of expression because they KNOW that they’re becomig the sort of people they dislike. Hence all the aggrivation being expressed at someone who says, “That’s wrong.”

I say this based on experience. Tell a drunkard he’s got a drinking problem and their response is denial. If you persist, they get angry in their denial. And, if they have it in their power, they’ll ‘kill’ you.

We examples of this behavior all around us and down the course of history. This is why I mentioned that business earlier about….

If you can’t convince ‘em, kill ‘em.

Regards,

Chuck(le)
[First they ignore you. Then they laugh at you. Then they smear you. Then you win.]

mbecker908

“(2) effective.”

Not so much so far.

eburke

doesn’t know his a@@ from a hole in the ground keeps inisting that he is…in which case the arrogant putz sooner or later gets banned from the premises.

As to #s 1 & 2 – Number one I’ve seen.

Number 2? Not so much.

But hey…self-delusion’s not a crime so –

Carry on!

eburke

streiff

the issue here is not freedom of expression. It is whether or not we want assclowns on the site and enabling our political enemies to attribute their psychosis to us.

Pretty simple.

As to transferrence, I can only assume you are so vociferous on this issue because the ban in making you feel personally inadequate and targeted. There are drugs that will fix that problem.

cbpelto

TO: mbecker908
RE: Yeah…Right….

you don?t have even the most basic understanding of the First. — mbecker908

And when did YOU graduate from high school? That is assuming that you HAVE achieved that just yet. I say the latter as you come across as being still a bit short on civics. But very strong on playground taunts.

Regards,

Chuck(le)
P.S. I graduated high school in ’69. Back when they really DID teach Civics.

cbpelto

TO: mbecker908
RE: ….Lest I Forget

You are also totally clueless about winning at politics. — mbecker908

Get back to me when YOU’VE run a campaign for a seat in the state legislature.

Regards,

Chuck(le)
[Rebuke a fool according to his folly, lest he think himself wise in his own conceit. -- Proverbs]

http://www.hakubi.us/ Neil Stevens

Weirdo.

eburke

Per his post elsewhere…you really blammed him for being:

” 1) Persistent and, 2) Effective.

You can’t fool us, Neil.

http://patrioticamerican.wordpress.com patrioticamerican

It’s not like RedState’s the only Conservative site on the Web. So, if it wants to purge people, so be it.

That RS feels the need to declare war on site members who they call “birthers” is rather creepy. As are the folks piling on with condescending comments.

Hope you all find what you’re looking for.

http://www.nixonsghost.wordpress.com hondav65

I know you’d be screaming to high hell about any college newspaper or group that banned global warming skeptics …

But if it’s thought that YOU disagree with …

You’re all for censureship.

You’re not a conservative.

http://www.nixonsghost.wordpress.com hondav65

Sorry – but what is and what is not pertinent to any discussion is a subjective call.

If you believe in Liberty – you believe in the right of people to say what they wish – and you also have the faith in those listening to make the correct choices and dismiss stupid ideas.

If you’re for any kind of censurship of ideas … like this … you’re not really a conservative in my book.

http://www.nixonsghost.wordpress.com hondav65

I’ve attended over 30 Tea Party meetings and events since the thing began. How many have you attended? I just love all these people who have never attended a Tea Party event … being all concerned about the “rep” the Tea Party is getting,

As much as I’m involved in the Tea Party – I would never attempt to speak for the movement or “craft” a particular message for it.

Is RED STATE now the official “Guardian Angel” of the Tea Party movement?

Tea Party movement’s about LIBERTY … NOT CENSURESHIP.

You cannot compare a “birther” to a racist. But if you want to do that – I’ll allow it as long as you allow me to compare your attempts at censurship to Nazi book burnnings.

edwlstr

I think we have a struggle in the Republican party between the RNSC and national GOP old timers who have drifted toward liberalism or, at least, have a “go along to get along” mentality and the newly awakened conservative elements of our party. I cannot see a third party at this time. It would only split the conservative vote and hand Zerobama a second term. And if the birther “nutjobs”, as everyone seems to want to call them, will vote for good conservative candidates I will just say “Thank You”. Their cause may be 1/4 bubble off plumb but their votes count. I don’t believe Obama was born in Hawaii, either, he is obviously an alien transplant from the planet Kenya.

http://www.hakubi.us/ Neil Stevens

None successful, none reasonable.

The Whigs weren’t a third party. They were the second party. The Democrats were first, then the Whigs sprung up.

Then the Whigs died, and other parties tried to take their place. The Americans failed, the Republicans succeeded. Both were new second parties.

hickorystick

because they allow children to grade themselves , which I find odd, since it is the last time in life they would ever have that experience. Otherwise, if one likes the Montessori Philosophy and chooses that for their own kids, fine. I’m completely about school choice. Not establishing boundaries though, at an early age is harmful to a child. Establishing structure, respect for rules, and good definitions about the world is the hard work of education. Exploring and curiosity will happen naturally when a child feels safe and has some free-time. 1,2,and 4 are good things, 3, and 5 are way too early for that kind of introspection.

wardensam

First time “caller”, but long time listener (lurker) here. (Do you hate terminology that as much as I do?)

Anyway . . .

So why the hell am I writing this thing????

Well, I saw Erick?s posting on Red State about the the banning of the?burfers? and the ?truthers?, and the responses to it, and it rang a bell with me. Erick was so right about this?a first for him, I might add.

Anyway, I am a liberal?er. . . a socialist, truth be known, a damn socialist?there you have it . . . but not so fast.

I read ?Red State? every day, usually cursing at the ideals espoused on the website. (But, in fairness, I do the same things with my partner?s and with my friends? opinions as well! Why is everyone I know so damn wrong? Beats the hell out of me.) They all hate my views, but they?ll get over it.

I love politics and the discussions that evolve from that interest. But those discussions must be built around reality. So I was happy to see Erick?s post rejecting the ?burfers? and the ?truthers? comments.

While I think modern conversative philosophy is ideaistically and abstractly correct, I reject it because it fails to accept the conditions and the frailties of the human condition.

It is gratisfying to see that another political animal recognizes that our beliefs must be based on actual truths, rather than on suppositions and conspiracies.

Consequently, Erick is absolutely correct in rejecting the ideas of the radical fringe. While they certainly have the right to voice their views, they do not have that right in a private location.

If they have only loud voices and soft evidence, they should save their arguments for a more private place where they have total control.

Freedom of speech means exactly that and it must not be toyed with.

And that is why we should all fear the birthers, the truthers, the pro-lifers, and the fundamentalists. They will crucify us all on the altar of righteousness, salvation, and patriotism.

Sinclair Lewis was right, I believe, when he said that, in America, fascism will arrive in the form of a cross wrapped in the American flag.

I see evidence of that every day.

http://www.hakubi.us/ Neil Stevens

Third Street

http://www.hakubi.us/ Neil Stevens

theoneandonlyfinn

The only real conspiracy is how
ORLY ORTIZ’S first name is an Internetz Meme.

The SAME Internetz that spawned both the truther and birfer movement…. COINCIDENCE???

The mindlessness of people screaming for a birth cirtificate would not cease with its release. (and the short form already WAS)

They would then claim it is forged, doctored.
They want proof of the proof.

Prove he isn’t from Kenya!

Its the vapid, mindless demands along the lines of loaded questions like “when did you stop beating your wife?”

Thank You, THANK YOU THANK YOU for maintaining RedState as an excellent bastion of thought and a launching pad for new campaigns, instead of letting it fritter into an online blog of Coast-to-Coast AM airings.

Archer

1) You weren’t clear if the “not being welcome” here consisted of reading the content or only in helping to create the content. You also weren’t clear if a birther would be welcome to stay if she restrained herself from writing about the issue or if the mere fact that the belief existed somewhere within her mind disqualified her from being here.

2) You start down a slippery slope when you start banning people based on their political beliefs being bashed by the mainstream media. You might as well cut to the chase and ban anyone who has any vaguely conservative beliefs. If the birthers disappeared off the face of the earth today, the mainstream media would pick on some other group or idea as being lunatic. After all, that’s what they were doing on a regular basis before Obama came along. I’ll be personally disappointed if Palin supporters are summarily banned when the media increases pressure against her in the lead up to 2012.

3) The Republican governor of Hawaii saying something doesn’t mean its true. There’s not some noble Commitment to the Greater Truth which the Republican Party pledges allegiance to. The goal of the Republican Party is to get Republicans elected to office. They don’t think complaining about Obama’s citizenship is a winning election issue. The courts have said neither the voters nor democrat party has the legal standing to force Obama to prove he’s a citizen. Its certain the courts won’t reverse themselves and say the Republican Party alone has the required legal standing.

Nixon conceding to Kennedy had nothing to do with Nixon thinking Kennedy had run a clean campaign or hadn’t cheated his way to victory. It had to to with how difficult it would have been to prove the fraud and preserving Nixon’s ability to win a later election.

Republicans frequently grin and bear it (Thune) when Democrats cheat their posteriors off. And sometimes they’ll even say that they’re sure that any fraud which might have taken place was almost certainly not widespread enough to have changed the results even when its not their real opinion. They say it to try to make the issue go away so as to not appear to be a “bad sport”…which unfortunately is a more horrid thing to be labeled with in our political system than “cheater”, “criminal”, or “felon”.

In the Clinton impeachment, the House’s (democrat) legal counsel said he saw in the Starr report 17 charges which could have been brought. The Republican House leadership chose to look into four charges if I recall correctly. They chose to limit the amount of time they would spend on the matter before they looked at any evidence. They chose not to call witnesses. When it went to the Senate, the Republicans there chose not to look into any charges except the two the House sent over. They chose not to call witnesses. They intentionally sped up the schedule so they could finish before the Juanita B, rape allegations would be aired on national TV.

Their purpose in this constitutional exercise wasn’t a search for Truth but a search for political advantage. Removing Clinton would have guaranteed a President Gore. Damaging Clinton, it was hoped, would damage future Democrat election prospects.

Not the way I would have chosen to do it but the constitution never requires the involved parties to do their best to obtain a conviction.

You are being honest in saying you don’t want birthers here because it damages your prospects of being effective in future election. What the Republican governor of Hawaii said appears to me to be no different. I doubt the Republican governor of Hawaii had ever closely looked over an official birth certificate from that era before the Obama issue came up. I’d give HUGE odds that the governor didn’t spend twenty seconds researching what a real birth certificate would look and feel like. So if the governor looked at any document at all before declaring Obama’s birth certificate was there, filled out and dated properly, I feel under no obligation to accept that the governor knows what the heck she’s talking about.

Now having said that, I don’t see any reason in continuing to talk about Obama’s origin at this point. Obama pals around with socialists and anarchists. I figure the only time it’ll become an issue to worry about from now on is if he’s clearly stopped from transforming the country into a socialist state (which I don’t think is yet a danger to him). But at that point, Obama could go the anarchy route:declare he’s never been a citizen then refuse to resign as president and start handing out pardons and signing executive orders.

Aside from the obvious crisis of what to do about his office, every law passed or enforced during his time as president, every person thrown into jail, and every penny borrowed, taxed, or spent would be open to unending legal challenges. It’d be anarchy on a scale undreamed of by the Weathermen of the 1970′s (and perhaps why it took a few decades to plan. )

bk

It all kind of fits in with a PS in a letter to Erick from “Debra Smith” posted at [that other site], which moderates out all non-birther comments in the thread whining about Erick.

PS? I was sent your article by a friend. I had actually never heard of your site before. But, perhaps you may want to know that there are a lot of people who are talking about boycotting your website over this. Who knows, maybe you will ban me after reading this. ?I?ve learned not to stay long on most sites, because of all of the drama, due to over inflated egos that all too often goes on. )

Translation: “I’d never heard of Redstate since I only follow birther sites, but then I read the ‘news’ here and now me and all my birther friends are boycotting Redstate.”

It’s also funny at that other site, which is run by three birthers, has this as their official position on comments:

The [site name removed] allows comments on its news articles. But because this News Site is principally concerned with getting out the news, rather than being a forum for conversation or debate, almost none of the comments posted for motives found on other blogs, will be published.

Even ignoring their misuse of commas and capitalization, it’s pretty funny that their official position is 5,000x more restrictive that Redstate’s. They could simplify that language a little bit: “Only, pro-birther Comments, are Allowed.”

bk

On your points:
1) Erick can indeed read minds, and if you’re posting something about health care but Erick knows you’re a birther at heart, BLAM!
2) It’s tough to disagree with your solid logic that equates being a birther with being a conservative.
3) After equating Erick to Hawaii’s governor, you do finally get to something that makes sense: “I don?t see any reason in continuing to talk about Obama?s origin at this point.” Isn’t that exactly what Erick is saying, i.e. we need to do something that’s actually productive?

conservnut

This site is drifting into LGF land I believe.

http://davesnotepad.blogspot.com/ Dave

Obama is rapidly pulling off a coup of his own, and is far closer to success than most people (and that includes a whole lot of “conservatives”) actually realize.

No one knows for sure where the proverbial “tipping point” actually lies, at which point the America we were all born into will be lost forever, but I’m pretty sure it is going to occur well before Jan. of 2013 – almost three years from now.

Just look at the damage he has done in just a little over thirteen months.

As for whether or not Obama was born in Hawaii (sorry, but I am not willing to take the word of a politician on this, regardless of party affiliation) he has still spent a small fortune in keeping large areas of his past hidden from view.

If not his place of birth, then what?

The man is clearly hiding something. If raising that question makes me a “birfer,” than so be it.

-Dave

mbecker908

http://moelane.com/ Moe Lane

-NT-

conservnut

May have to. I am neither birfer or truther, but am becoming more and more disgusted with conservatives that follow the lefts twisted sense of what is fringe lunacy.

Next up, if you believe in states rights you are racist who misses the days of slavery.

mbecker908

conservnut

Thanks. you know, those who live in glass houses……..

neomom

The birfers and troofers need to pedal those tin-foil hats elsewhere.

Neither issue is a winner on any level. Lets stick to the budget please.

MichaelSpencer

OK, I’m not convinced of of 9/11 conspiracy theory or the missing birth certificate issue, but I don’t think there are no legitimate questions to be asked. Erick, I wrote asking you to cancel my site membership and that didn’t get results, so I’ll go for a ban:

Space aliens killed Kennedy and are running the CIA. Barry Obama is a space alien and therefore ineligible for the Presidency . Bush destroyed the twin towers with help from the US Army, Navy, Air Force, Marines, and Coast Guard just to make money for Haliburton.

Ban, please?

MichaelSpencer

… but this closet is just so comfy.

mbecker908

Based on the fact that you’ve been here for a year and five months and have a grand total of three posts – this one being two of them – it’s not like you’ve “been here” anyway.

conservnut

Ha, good point.

MichaelSpencer

Fuck off, moron. This is just where I come when I’m slumming.

Ban please?

joebgardener

LOL

Achance

so most people won’t look further than your title; I just happened to see it, not that I’m much interested in anything that has followed your titles.

Brian Hibbert

Don’t go off on a wild goose chase. THAT only serves to help Obama. While you’re distracted looking for “proof” that the legal copy of the birth certificate doesn’t prove what it says it proves, he’s out collapsing markets and tak9ng over health care. Good job on that one.

mbecker908

Assuming, for the sake of your argument, that Obama is not a “natural born citizen” and thus does not meet the Constitutional requirement.

How do you plan to remove him from office?

And a secondary question. Assuming you do remove him from office just how do you think President Joe Biden will act in terms of legislation?

Or do you think the office will revert to John McCain?

Archer

Erick doesn’t have to read minds if he cares to go through previous postings and see what people have said in the past.

=
?I don?t see any reason in continuing to talk about Obama?s origin at this point.? Isn?t that exactly what Erick is saying?
=

No, he’s saying “go away”. He didn’t say “alter your behavior”. The difference there is why I asked for clarification since the two are not the same.

Perhaps he’s said “alter your behavior” repeatedly in the past and I’m not aware of it because I’m not a regular. But when Instapundit links to your article, you at the least need to expect some new blood.

I’m all for doing something productive.

But the first exposure I’ve had to one of Erick’s articles in the past couple of years tells me I’m not welcome here, calls me a “crazy”, a “nut”, equates me with a 9-11 truther, calls my political belief “stupidity” and “fatuous nonsense” without any offer of proof that he knows what I believe and how I came to that conclusion…much less that he’s right and that I’m wrong.

I suppose that its too much to expect Erick to reply in public since any display of flexibility in his staunch “go away” stance would be pounced upon by the mainstream media whose behavior and opinion he fears. But it would be nice to find out whether I’m welcome to contribute to the site by some means other than spending five hours writing and posting an article.

An article which might or might not remain displayed based on my political stance on some completely different topic.

Its bad enough writing without being paid. But I [b]really[/b] have little desire to write then have to shop the article to some other site.

redneck_hippie

Whacking the birfers is an editorial decision. Made by Erick Erickson. Who is the Editor in Chief of RedState, a private enterprise.

Global warming skeptics have a legitimate case, and have been proven correct. Scientifically. I don’t waste time yelling my head off about believers in myths and fairytales, now that their foremost propagandists are admitting they are full of it.

Birfers are loose cannons who will detract from the conservative movement.

You’re not rational.

mbecker908

http://www.hakubi.us/ Neil Stevens

And P.S. try reading the Constitution sometime, especially the first amendment.

redneck_hippie

Accused Erick of censureship, when honda was the one censuring Erick. Guy needs to use the dictionary if he was talking about censorship.

oamabo

BIRTHERS ARE NUT CASES
Birthers pick out little things in newspapers and web sites and run with it….i.e., dicta!

“During the election, then Senator Obama published a statement at his website which said that his birth status was ?governed? by the British Nationality Act of 1948. Can you please tell the American people how a natural born citizen of the United States can be governed ? at birth ? by British law?”
http://web.archive.org/web/20040627142700/eastandard.net/headlines/news26060403.htm

..these are only words. His school records prove he is a Natural American eligible to be president and he was a U.S. Senator. So what if he has used different names like Barry Soetoro and Steve Dunham. Don’t we all use different names like on this blog. If it was not a c-section it was natural. Right?
This is like the nut cases that still believe in global warming and now that they are exposed they still believe the polar bears will fall off the iceberg and die! Like a bad tune in your head that won’t go away.
Case Closed!

http://www.linkedin.com/in/williamgainey billg

1st Amendment too? Yeah, you say I’m stupid, and perhaps I am, but you know, I’m not calling names here, am I? The 1st Amendment should allow us to make fools of ourselves if we dare. I guess it is just we should pick our locations for exhibiting the stupidity, since some people are less or more stupid than others, eh?

http://www.linkedin.com/in/williamgainey billg

but fortunately not banning all stupid people. I don’t agree with birfers and trufers as they are called, but at least they have a right to there beliefs. So mbecker908, who is appearing to be more stupid as you say, them or RS? Just a thought?

Alec

It is fine for Mr. Erickson to think that questions about Obama’s citizenship status (is he “natural born”) are impolitic to pursue, but there is nothing in any way untoward about these questions. I think it would be MORE politic if conservatives would simply note that Congress has never put in place an enforcement mechanism for a key provision of our Constitution (ALL provisions of the Constitution are key), and to recommend that this oversight be corrected. McCain is almost certainly not a natural born citizen under the letter of the law and should not be allowed to run for president unless the law is changed. Use that as a lead in to say that Obama should also have to reveal the long form of his birth certificate (which he has not yet done). Maybe we can knock out two dirty birds with one stone.

There are legitimate reasons to demand Obama’s long form. Hawaii issued birth certificates up to a year after birth simply on the word of a parent. The long form should record the nature of the birth certificate application. Was it filed by a parent or by the hospital. How long after birth was it filed? What was the hospital? Who was the attending physician? A legal mechanism for verifying eligibility to run for president would obviously call for all available such information to be submitted. But Obama refuses to submit this information to the American people. That is wrong, with or without a statutory enforcement mechanism in place, and conservatives should not be chicken to say so.

To make his case against “birfers” Erickson misrepresents what people like Joseph Farah are saying to make it sound as impolitic as possible. Farah does not “believe that Obama was born in Kenya.” He has never said any such thing, and neither have the great majority of people who are demanding that the issue be properly investigated. He has simply noted that under Hawaiian law, the Hawaiian short form birth certificate that Obama has released does not resolve the issue. Obviously, it SHOULD be resolved, or doesn’t Mr. Erickson care about the Constitution? And if all he really cares about is political expediency, can’t he at least be expedient enough not to misrepresent the birth issue in the most impolitic way possible, just to score internecine political points?

Personally, I see no conflict between respecting the Constitution and being politic. The issue is as clear as day: every constitutional provision ought to have an enforcement mechanism, just as a matter of abstract principle. When an unenforced provision pops up as an actual matter of political contention, it ought to be easy for any principled to conservative to call for an enforcement mechanism to be put in place.

Richard Mullins

and birfers and troofers are a pair. That is all.

JadedByPolitics

very good comeback there Richard

http://www.examiner.com/x-1597-Charlotte-Law--Politics-Examiner Mike gamecock DeVine

There is no evidence that Bush knew of 911 in advance and “allowed” it to happen.

Obama has refused to release a copy of his birth certificate.

Richard Mullins

are just plain stupid. Really, does he have to wave his BC in front of people in order for this conspiracy to die? That seems to be the only way to have them shut up.

http://slcliberty.blogivists.com randy streu

The birth certificate has been shown. It isn’t a fake. It’s been shown, published, posted online, examined…

and it is for THIS reason that, yes, birthers are in the same whackjob conspiracy hack boat as twoofers are.

mbecker908

give a damn about the birth certificate.

Richard Mullins

at a press conference to shut them up. That seems to the only way to do that.

mbecker908

They’d want it verified by Joseph Farrah.

These people are one issue pin-heads.

Richard Mullins

It comes up as a dead link just like the birfer conspiracy and the troofer conspiracy.

mikerazar

but most birthers are conservative. We have to police ourselves. They embarrass our movement..

That said, there are no obvious ways to enforce many provisions of the Constitution. In a post a few months ago, i complained about elected officials who violate their oath of office. I’d rather have a president with an ambiguous birthplace than a lying sack of expletives.

http://www.redstate.com/mikerazar/2009/10/29/the-hippocritic-oaths/

Richard Mullins

Joseph Farrah with BC would stop it cold. Showing in front of there leader would change that but then they’ll start a new conspiracy, Hawai’i isn’t a state and it never got admitted into the union.

http://www.examiner.com/x-1597-Charlotte-Law--Politics-Examiner Mike gamecock DeVine

is the certificate that the state of hawaii issues that takes its information from the actualcertificate issued soon after birth. The one I saw did not list the names of the parents but rather only the date, place etc.

But if you have the link to the certificate to which you refer, please send to me at mikedevinelaw@yahoo.com.

This is news to me, and I have written several long legal treatises on the issue arguing that Obama is a natural born citizen due to his mother’s citizenship no matter where he was born. But the newspaper announcement clinches even that issue.

I suspect that the reason obama doesn’t release the bc has to do with info about the father.

http://slcliberty.blogivists.com randy streu

I think you’re probably correct on the reasoning, and absolutely correct re: his mother.

http://www.examiner.com/x-1597-Charlotte-Law--Politics-Examiner Mike gamecock DeVine

College votes, that settles the natural born issue and that the court should not intervene after the fact, nor even before the fact. And once again, I have no issue re citizenship.

All I am saying is that unlike the 911 truthers, the failure of obama does raise a credibility issue. I for one don’t blame him if it involves his dad and a family secret. I actually feel for him on that.

merwintechmedia

It’s time to grow up. We are responsible of our actions.
The words that come out from our mouth are powerful words that can destroy people, worsen a situation, heal broken relationships or make better life.
Therefore we must think and rethink the words that we speak and write.

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tonto

Your abridgement of the 1st Amendment (by excluding birthers and truthers)and your support of Harry Reid’s filibuster destroying vote tells me that you really don’t have a grasp of what real conservative, Consttutionaliat values are. When you can prove to me that you have a more firm grasp of conservativism and are not just another leftist, commie, pinko, homo, socialist Obamanite, you may again grace the pages of my e-mail. Until then, you’re banned.

RS

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