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J.D. Hayworth and the Birther Issue: A Non-Story

I just got off the phone with Congressman J. D. Hayworth about the birther issue and my post from last night.

He said definitely that Barack Obama is the President of the United States and meets all the legal and constitutional requirements to be President. Period. End of Story.

The Congressman said the issue has come up on his radio show when callers called in and engaged him on the issue. He said he engaged the callers on the issue, but he thinks it is as relevant as whether Chester Arthur met the qualifications to be President.

Congressman Hayworth wants everyone to know that he does not think there is an issue and he suspects the issue is being dug up by Senator McCain’s team as an unpleasant distraction from the big issues facing the people of Arizona.

I believe him. I hope you do too.

COMMENTS

  • Mary Beth
  • gekster

    Consevatives will own up and correct.
    Liberals blame Bush.

  • mbecker908

    And this has nothing to do with the birther issue. It has to do with the fact that Hayworth has a long history of shooting off his mouth and making a complete fool of himself.

    This isn’t over. It’s just beginning. And I’m not talking about the birther thing. I’m talking about JD’s mouth.

  • Nick Haynes

    either J.D. is a birther, or he’s stupid/ignorant enough to have let Campbell Brown bait him into looking like a birther via his own words. Either way, I think it show’s that J.D. is not someone we need in the Senate…and I do so fully aware that The MaverickTM may end up being reelected as a result.

    As much as I dislike him personally and politically, we can deal with McCain. We can’t deal with Hayworth. End of story.

  • Nick Haynes

    -nt-

  • rickz77

    Where is Barry Obama’s fiscal prudence ?

    He’s spent over a million dollars in legal costs to AVOID showing his birth certificate.

    Why does he not show the birth certificate, and make this whole issue disappear ?

    Not his fault, but his predecessors have left a really bad taste in the mouths of the electorate:
    Clinton – refused to release his medical records.
    Kerry – refused to release his military service records.

    There is only ONE logical explanation for Obama’s refusal to reveal his birth certificate. Obama is INELIGIBLE to be President.

    Obama has not made his college transcripts public, either.

  • mbecker908
  • http://www.havearoach.com Lee Hempfling

    Been listening to JD in the afternoon on KFYI for months now… He is a two topic host. 1: illegal immigration, where he does not understand that politics is give and take and the side that takes more than gives controls the direction of the topic, so he just stands firm, calls things what they are not and proceeds to rant. 2: obama’s birth… not a really big issue, perhaps could be a real issue, but it is absolutely NOT a political position to take for a serious can didate. JD just doesn’t know when to shut up. I will not miss his afternoon show and I will not miss him when he loses the primary and if anyone wants to hang their hat on his parade, they are going to find themselves embroiled in controvery that can only hurt the cause. And that’s a shame too because JD is a good man. He is a good citizen. He is a patriot and a conservative. But his politics knowledge seems to have missed a few lessons. And that is a shame.

  • http://online.logcabin.org/about/ suzieQ

    (and the sound of SWOOOSH as another one is swept away)

  • tangohotel

    Wow. It’s unfortunate that Erick would believe this clown but I guess it’ll work out at the end. When the hours on top of hours come out from KFYI of him calling President Obama “The Kenyan,” having experts on to talk about the constitutionality of having a foreigner as POTUS etc. etc., it should really anger conservatives that he would change his birther stance now that he is being called out by the national media and no longer trying to appease his 12 fringe listeners in Cave Creek.

  • RedBeard

    As others have said, it’s not the opinion he holds, but rather his very unwise responses. Knowing when NOT to say something is as important as knowing when to speak out.

    Hayworth has handed the opposition a gilded gift package, and it can’t be taken back now.

  • http://www.examiner.com/x-1597-Charlotte-Law--Politics-Examiner Mike gamecock DeVine

    those of McCain! Esp since McCain is busy now defending cap and trade even after the public discrediting of mmgw.

    Life is about choices: I choose JD over Maverick.

  • http://www.hakubi.us/ Neil Stevens
  • mbecker908

    to handle a softball interview with Brown, the guy probably has more face time on TV than McCain. When he was a Critter, he was a constant fixture on Fox and CNN blathering for the right, He was a sports reporter before he ran for Congress and he’s been a radio talk show host since he got tossed in the street by the voters.

    The guy is no inexperienced amateur.

  • http://www.twitter.com/AveSharia evanm

    …he suspects the issue is being dug up by Senator McCain?s team…

    McCain doing actual opposition research would be something worth reporting. It’s just a shame it’s not against a Democrat…

  • http://www.examiner.com/x-1597-Charlotte-Law--Politics-Examiner Mike gamecock DeVine

    it was already humongous!

  • gekster

    Or wait for him to stick his other foot in his mouth.

  • gekster

    I gotta get faster.

  • http://www.examiner.com/x-1597-Charlotte-Law--Politics-Examiner Mike gamecock DeVine
  • tangohotel

    I’m glad he?s off the air. Rush(!), Hannity(!) and then… JD. :-(
    I can’t WAIT until all the stuff you and I have heard in the last few years comes to light. Remember how he would frame illegal immigration with Obama from Kenya?

  • tangohotel

    I’m glad he?s off the air. Rush(!), Hannity(!) and then… JD. :-(
    I can’t WAIT until all the stuff you and I have heard in the last few years comes to light. Remember how he would frame illegal immigration with Obama from Kenya?

  • http://phxg.wordpress.com/ phxg
  • RedBeard

    McCain is a decidedly unsavory choice. My concern is that Hayworth would beat McCain in the primary and then lose big in the general, due to self-inflicted wounds like this one.

    Tough call. I suppose I’m glad I won’t be voting in Arizona. I like easy calls, like the one we have here of Rubio over Crist. Easy. Really easy. And all positive.

  • Josh Painter

    He was talking about the soviets at the time, but it’s still good advice for any number of situations.

    It’s good to see that J.D. has changed his position on the birth certificate. He was a birther as recently as Jan. 26:

    ?Well, gosh, we all had to bring our birth certificates to show we were who we said we were, and we were the age we said we were, to play football and youth sports,” Hayworth said. “Shouldn’t we know exactly that anyone who wants to run for public office is a natural-born citizen of the United States and is who they say they are?”

    [...]

    ?I?m just saying the president should come forward with the information, that?s all,” Hayworth said. “Why must we depend on the governor of Hawaii?”

    http://www.azcentral.com/members/Blog/azdc/72574

    But by Feb 15th, he had apparently had an epiphany:

    “Barack Obama is the president of the United States. He is our 44th president,” Hayworth told [Campbell] Brown. “I have no qualms about who he is, or who he says he is.”

    Good pivot. Smart one, too.

    - JP

  • http://www.neoavatara.com/blog neoavatara

    …but he should be more careful how he says things.

  • Josh Painter

    http://www.azcentral.com/members/Blog/azdc/74034

  • http://www.examiner.com/x-1597-Charlotte-Law--Politics-Examiner Mike gamecock DeVine
  • tangohotel

    I bet if his loony beliefs weren?t being put into question, he?d be bragging about his long birther record, instead of trying to bury it. It?s not some McCain camp conspiracy, it an ?Oh snap! I?m being called out on my views,? moment for the former sports caster. BUST-TED
    Btw, I am confident that when Hayworth has to answer to himself Erickson will be the first to put his feet to the coals

  • conservativemusician

    It is better to keep silent and let people think you are a fool than to open your mouth and confirm for sure that you are. Many politicians would do well to learn this life lesson.

    JD does need to do a better job of selecting what he says as well as not getting baited by left-wing journalists into defending positions that make him look stupid.

    Glad that Erick followed up with JD on this issue and had him clarify his position.

  • GoldieAZ50

    Hayworth brought the ‘bither’ issue on himself with his interview on Hardball last month, Chris read his comments from a letter he wrote & JD confirmed it. Listen to him http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=zJV4S4NwHHk

    Then he tells CNN’s Campbell Brown that his concern was due to ‘identity theft’ http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=i38PkajypGM

    Now he is blaming McCain for it being “dug up”? LAME
    Nice to see how JD man’s up and takes responsibility for his own words so early in his campaign. NOT

    I don’t always agree with McCain, but I always know where he stands, he is honest and doesn’t hide from his own words.

    McCain has my vote in Tucson Arizona.

    Eric, get a copy of JD’s letter Chris Matthews was reading from, JD also said he wrote to Obama asking him to make McCain Secretary of State! (JD has removed it from his website, I did keep a copy of it (pdf), let me know if you want it emailed.)

    So JD would recommend McCain to represent the USA around the world but not to represent Arizona in the Senate? What’s wrong with that picture?

    JD just wanted an uncontested senate race.

  • doublebarreled

    in the run up to the November elections.

    Racist isn’t working, so the Establishment must make sure that anyone who challenges the established orthodoxy of either party is discredited and smeared so that no “respectable” person would be caught voting for these candidates.

    Now, it’s “Birther” and “Truther”. Soon I expect “Tenther”, “insurrectionist”, “Americanist” or just plain old “Anarchist” by May if these unblessed candidates start winning primary elections. This is why so many Democrats are retiring. Their vanity compels them to “retire” instead of losing face by being “defeated”. Just like cockroaches, they can always come scurrying back for some cushy consultant or lobbyist job later.

    It’s time for Americans who believe that the Republicans and Democrat Parties are just two sides of the same coin to unite and burn out the entrenched interests. Fire cleanses completely.

    Before it’s too late. Agree or disagree?

  • redtillimdead

    So, last night he talks about how Obama needs to show a birth certificate so we know. He’s said it in the past few weeks too. Then Erick calls him out on it. Now, he realizes that it will kill his chances of beating McCain and he “thinks” Obama is born in the US?

  • molsen72

    http://kfyi.com/pages/podcast-archives.php?pname=jdhayworth.xml

    Enjoy!

  • ashen

    observing the jocksniffers chomp at the bit to bid goodbye first to someone who violates Fat King Erik’s rule about birthers. These people are the lapdogs of any court. A great man once said, “trust but verify”. Obama is a communist. Answer the question, why won’t he release his records? If everything checks out, we say thank you and move on.

  • houstoneagle

    Even if one were to grant that there are legitimate questions surrounding Obama’s failure to provide documents (e.g., birth certificate, college transcripts), the time to raise that as an issue was before the election, not now. The courts spoke and then in November 2008 the people spoke, and the question was resolved. Focusing on the birther issue would be like a prosecutor focusing on the kind of socks a murder defendant was wearing at the scene of the crime and what a fashion disaster he was–it is not relevant. So bottom line, I don’t question JD’s sanity like some of the folks here as the questions are arguably legitimate, but the pursuit of answers does nothing to elect Republicans in 2010 and 2012, and that must be our only focus. 2008 is over.

  • http://online.logcabin.org/about/ suzieQ

    Quick! Someone turn on the light!

  • aesthete
  • http://phxg.wordpress.com/ phxg
  • aesthete

    From the little that I have heard about and of JD’s show from fellow conservatives, JD has two issues: illegal immigration (on which he comes off as a Militiamen-styled nutter), and birtherism (he has called Obama “The Kenyan” multiple times on his show, and invited guests to discuss the legality of having a foreigner in the White House, etc.) In a recent interview on Chris Matthews’ show a month ago, he defended statements he made that were sympathetic towards birthers by stating that we all have to show our birth certificates for our drivers’ licenses, or somesuch drivel. That is the context of JD’s recent non-answer in the media. To say that he isn’t a birther is to say that he pandered to the birthers (big time) back in the day, and to say that he is is to say that he’s pandering to us now.

    Ron Paul was (justly, I think) criticized for not strongly repudiating his neo-Nazi and racist followers, despite the fact that he’s never spoken a word in support of either of those hateful ideologies. Shouldn’t we hold JD to the same standard, especially when it is not his supporters, but the man himself, who has established himself as at least highly sympathetic to birther concerns?

  • ashen

    OT: On the plane crash in Texas, anyone know if any government (leeches) workers were killed?

  • RedBeard

    “…only ONE logical explanation…”

    Yes, and the ONE logical explanation for Loch Ness Monster is that motorcycles don’t have doors.

  • saltlick

    even though “identity theft” sounded a lot like “just a guy in my neighborhood.”

    I’ve got a limited amount of time and money. Theyl go to candidates who will take this country back in 2010 through solid conservative values, not through insincere political gimmickry — if I want that, I’ll give to the Establishment GOP.

  • leehazel

    I left Phoenix in 1997 after 25 years and just recently returned to live here. I am amazed how little has changed. JD Hayworth is not a “Shrinking Violet”. He says what is on his mind and at least 90% of the time he is giving better than he gets from Arizona liberals.

    Now as to the “Birther” issue. I was listening to this show because JD was to be interviewed Matthews. JD was “sandbagged’ by MSNBC’s Matthews. He dropped this question out of nowhere. “Do you think the President is a United States citizen”

    JD answered that that was no longer a question. The people of the US had settled that regardless. He went on to say what most of us feel is the correct way to proceed. I paraphrase, “Anyone running for an elective office that has as a requirement US citizenship including “natural born” citizenship must produce valid proof that meets certain legal requirements” This hardly translates to “I am a birther”.

    He, JD, was on CNN the other day and again was blind sided with this question. He tried to give the same answer only to be ridiculed by the host. It is a no win situation with the MSM

    McCain is the darling of the left leaning MSM. They will do just about anything to aid his cause. JD is in for a very rough ride. I will support him to the extent that I am able.

    It is time for McCain to go. I am really sorry to see Sarah Palin spend some of her political capital on McCain. I think it is soft hearted loyalty. Right now we need hard headed, no holds barred, realistic conservatism. Preach it and live st.

    PC is Thought Control
    LEE

  • cordpt

    … to disregard JD as a serious candidate. And honestly, trying to somehow shift the blame to McCain is the last straw.

    All this plus his addiction to spending + pork: not fit to run as a conservative.

  • leehazel

    I noted above that MSNBC’s Matthews dropped the “birth certificate” bomb on JD and then categorized him as a “birther”.

    I had to check—-within a couple of hours every MSM outlet that I looked up was touting JD status as a birther.

    Frankly, I do not think there is any reasonably intelligent response to this question other than that given by JD. It is also the same one given by a great many others who say enough is enough, the man is POTUS and the people have “spoken”. It is the MSM that continues to flog this dead horse when they think they can damage a conservative’s credibility.

    This whole thing was deliberate to aid McCain.

    PC is Thought Control
    LEE

  • jfindl2

    JD did not say that was no longer a question. Instead he launched into the same song and dance about producing a birth certificate before you run for public office. Also when Matthews asked if he stood by the letter he wrote demanding that the governor of Hawaii produce Obama’s birth certificate he said yes. That pretty much settles where Hayworth stands on the birther issue, regardless of what he now says after people started calling him out on it.

  • jfindl2

    It sounds like you were hoping government workers were killed in an attack. You will be gone soon enough.

  • kevinaw2

    If all of that is true, then why didn’t he say that on CNN with Campbell Brown instead of concocting a cock and bull story about Identity Theft? He’s back tracking because he knows it was foolish. He was trying to pander to fringe voters and he got burned for it! He’s trying to have it both ways and I’ve had enough of candidates who employ liberal political tactics to get conservative voters on board

  • skat

    I hope you never have to experience the death of a loved one like this – that is if you have any loved ones! Disgusting, depraved comment doesn’t even scratch the surface on this .

  • skat

    JD’s just getting started, folks. JD will never, never carry the 5th District so if he wins the primary we’re getting a Democrat Senator.

  • http://itsaboutfreedom.proboards.com Conservative Phantom

    … for throwing a lifeline. Give me any reason, any reason at all to support someone who is running against McCain and I will grab onto it.

    JD may have a big mouth and he may be a jerk but he has one thing going for him that will take an awful lot to overcome: he isn’t McCain.

    It’s time to clean house and, yeah, the RINO’s have to go. McCain was number two on my list after Spectacle. Now that that chump has moved on it’s time to get rid of Mr. Amnesty. And his obnoxious daughter.

  • Scope

    n/t

  • RedBeard

    Observing gets a capital O, chomp should be champ, and Erick isn’t spelled Erik.

    Oh, and calling Erick fat while calling Redstate participants jocksniffers and lapdogs is probably not the best way to make friends and influence people.

    I’m just observing, of course.

  • Repair_Man_Jack

    That is all.

  • Scope

    you still have a Democrat Senator. He just forgot to change the R to a D.

  • Repair_Man_Jack

    but Dude, it ain’t your jock!

  • mbecker908

    First of all, a good case can be made that JD is absolutely lying to Erick. He’s been blathering about that stupid birth cert forever on KFYI. All of a sudden he sees the light. Right.

    Secondly, you cannot make a case that JD was “blindsided”. He’s been talking about this for months if he didn’t expect a question about this he’s simply stupid. In addition, JD was a TV star when he was in Congress. He’s probably got more face time on TV than McCain, he was a sports reporter before that and a talk show host after. The guy is a media personality. Again, if he got blindsided he’s just stupid. And there’s a good case to be made for that.

    Third, it’s not just Palin. You can count Scott Brown, Dick Armey, Grover Norquist and the entire Republican Congressional Delegation as McCain supporters. JD’s got a couple of talk radio hosts and Joe Arpaio who will cost him more votes than it gets him.

    You are absolutely right on one point: the Arizona media has no use for JD. The really tough part of that is that JD will give them more ammo than they’ll ever be able to use.

    Like it or not Hayworth is about the worst candidate that could have taken on McCain. Either Shadegg or Flake could have given him a real run and would have had a decent shot at beating him. JD won’t get within 30 points.

  • garanth

    Did you cheer when the Oklahoma City building was destroyed? Too bad you managed to post twice before getting removed.

  • http://www.hakubi.us/ Neil Stevens

    Go back to Daily Kos and tell them you found one but we banned him ASAP.

  • leehazel

    I agree with you 100% regarding the “when” that the birth certificate should have been required. The issue was an election issue and along with almost any record of any kind regarding Obama’s life remains missing.

    This can be laid directly of the failure of the Fourth Estate to perform the function so eloquently stated and implied by the 1st Amendment. They are the “veter’s” but crossed over to tout this man as a political messiah.

    It is an interesting contrast when one looks at the record of media investigations into the Life and Times of Sarah Palin following McCain’s announcement of her VP candidacy. The reporters and attorneys suddenly in Alaska probably outnumbered the local population.

    I am one of those that find it very hard to stomach that this man became president without revealing even such innocuous “life documents” as school transcripts. I spent most of my working life in major US companies as middle or senior management. I could not have gotten past the receptionist with the paper trail that has been presented by BHO. I was also an Air Force Officer, documents to prove who and what I was were routinely required and routinely provided.

    I simply find the situation really unacceptable in the case of so important a position as POTUS. I suppose for purposes of categorization that must make me a Birther.

  • skat

    Scope,
    Aren’t you the guy who posted that if you lived in Arizona you’d vote Democrat rather than John McCain?
    It’s blatantly dishonest to call pro-life, defense hawk McCain a Democrat.
    I know :
    Victory through Defeat

    Give the libs total control so everyone can see how horrible they are. You and I have been down this road before, I’m not wasting my time on your drivel.

  • ColoradoRed

    …now and this is the first time I’ve been really disappointed in Erick. Hayworth just made himself out to be an a$$hole. An ignorant a$$hole. If the right supports this kind of candidate, the MSM has every right to pull out the birther issue at every opportunity. It’s clear what Hayworth actually believes, and it isn’t pretty. It’s just shocking that someone as intelligent as Erick would give credence to that half-assed clarification/apology.

    I’m no McCain fan. But maybe let’s find someone who isn’t crazy to replace him….

  • leehazel

    Erick, I could not agree more. This issue at this time is just as you stated a Non-Issue.

    The only purpose it can serve at this time is one of blindsiding or sandbagging unwary people to try to make them look as foolish as possible. This is an “art form” honed and refined and readily used to destroy by our media. eg Courie/Palin et al

    In many of the comments the CNN interview was cited with JD’s comment about Identity Theft. The consensus seems to be that JD did not know what he was talking about. It is really unfortunate the number of well meaning people who read and see and /or hear only what they have been preprogrammed to see or hear.

    JD said that given the prevalence of the Identity theft problem these days it is necessary to be even more vigilant and require people to “Prove” who and what they are. He managed this right through the non-stop dialog by the host.

    The MSM own McCain, he is one of theirs. The road ahead for JD is going to get increasingly rough and nasty. It is good to know that someone of your stature in the conservative movement sees the need for a change in Arizona. JD will make an excellent addition to the AZ congressional contingent.

    PC is Thought Control
    LEE

  • MNConservative

    a birfer?

    This whole episode is hilarious. So much energy directed to BDS… Birfer Derangement Syndrome.

    There are more important issues, like where does he stand on federal spending, taxation, etc, etc.

  • Scope

    the one to say that, I honestly don’t remember if I did or not. But, I have read other posts that have said they would vote for the D before McCain. You can call McCain pro-life and defense hawk all you want, it still doesn’t take away his most earned title TRAITOR TO CONSERVATIVES.

    BTW, I think you have me mixed up with someone else. I am a she not a guy.

  • Adjoran

    I don’t give a rat’s patootie what Hayworth says once the searchlights hit him, it’s what he has already said – and NOT just this once on this issue, btw – that is his problem.

    Anyone who thinks this was the LAST stupid thing which will come out of his mouth between now and November either hasn’t followed the man’s career very closely, or is succumbing to wishful thinking out of disdain for McCain.

    Hayworth is a fool.

  • smitch61

    At least the fine people of Arizona know what they have in John McCain. May not always agree with the guy, and as a matter of fact usually do not, but he tells the truth at least. I am surprised you did not ban JD, based on your previous posts on the eligibility issue. Again, your blog, so you can pick and choose who you wish to engage on the subject. I do in fact remember JD on an interview on MSNBC that the people have a right to ask any questions regarding the background of elected officials…. I do believe that is what most Americans believe. Does not make them all wacko jacko birthers. I thought you had your final thought on the issue as well. The American electorate is smart enough to figure out on their own where an individual stands on certain issues.

  • RedBeard

    Hence the concern here.

  • AndrewHyman

    I remember during the Democratic primaries, someone asked Hillary Clinton whether Obama is a Christian instead of a Muslim, and she was rightly criticized for answering: “As far as I know.” What she should have said is simple: “yes.”

    A similar principle applies to Obama’s eligibility to be president. He has said he’s eligible, and no evidence proves otherwise. Is he eligible? Yes.

    But suppose for the sake of argument that someone comes up with proof of ineligibility after a president is sworn in. Can and should the president be removed? Yes. American Idol just removed a contestant who was discovered to be ineligible. Similarly, when foreign spies are discovered in the U.S. Armed forces, no one suggests that the ineligibility should have been uncovered during the application process, after which removal is impossible. Obama is obviously not going to be discovered to be ineligible. But the question did not become any less relevant or any more relevant when he was sworn in.

  • konstantine

    McSame is a TRAITOR to republicans!!!

  • skat

    smithch61
    The more people push the McCain is a traitor, a Democrat is better, the more I’m persuaded to support John McCain. I don’t agree with McCain on many issues, but I refuse to be part of this group that is uninformed, hate-filled, deluded??? Whatever it is, it lets the libs control our country.

  • skat

    John McCain is strong on national defense, pro-life, etc. Any Democrat we get would be 100 times worse.

  • MNConservative

    Lets say the state I’m in has a law banning the possession of a handgun, in direct violation of the 2nd amendment. Is it a valid law? No. Is it irrelevant to my well-being that the law is invalid when I’m languishing in prison? Yes.

    “He has said he?s eligible, and no evidence proves otherwise. Is he eligible? Yes.” In fact, his British citizenship from his father proves otherwise. But just try to get people to understand it, let alone do something about it. For now, we’re stuck with what we’ve got. Might as well fight him on the other issues, where he’s losing anyhow.

  • bcamran

    OK so JD has managed to distance himself from birthers by throwing them under the bus. Now lets see how he can handle the the following:

    - His wife as the only member of his PAC received tens of thousands of dollars.
    - How many perks did he get from Jack Abramoff.
    - He lost a red state seat in Arizona because the local GOP and the voters loathed him.

    Just keeping it real. Sometimes the devil you know is better than the devil you don’t know.

  • Rob_McEwen

    Representative Lynn Westmoreland also puts his foot in his mouth often–but he is one of the most reliable votes in congress for more individual freedom, lower taxes, less spending, smaller gov’t, and following the Constitution. I’ll take a loose cannon who votes correct over someone more disciplined and elloquent who’d be a 51st vote against tax cuts–as McCain was when he trimmed the Bush tax cut by a third!

  • conservativemusician

    Why then is he running and why is McCain campaigning against JD now the way he should have campaigned last year against Obama (Rush addressed this issue on his show yesterday).

    Also, if the conservatives in AZ can’t stand McCain, then why didn’t Shadegg or Flake take the opportunity to run against McCain? Seems this should have given them the motivation to take on the challenge.

    Sorry if you’ve already posted about this in other threads, but I’m not from AZ and would appreciate the info in understanding the dynamics here. Thanks, CM

  • Rob_McEwen

    GoldieAZ50,

    McCain would be a great SoS, but is a horrible Senator. Why? Because he is outstanding on Foreign Policy and defending America’s interests. And McCain understands that there are enemies of freedom and democracy to contend with in this world who hate America.

    However, on domestic policy (other than being for low spending) McCain is horrible. His biggest problem is that he is a “zero sum gainer”. He believes that we take our additional cashflow caused by tax cuts and place that in our mattresses. When McCain voted against the Bush tax cuts, he made dire predictions on the floor of the Senate about how Gov’t revenues were going to be horribly low. Guess what? After the tax cuts–gov’t revenues INCREASED! McCain was wrong.

    But, as SoS, he’d NOT have a say in our domestic tax policies. So if Obama had selected him as SoS, that would probably be one less RINO in the Senate… and we might have even gained a supply-side conservative in McCain’s place.

    The fact that JD is no longer “advertising” this push for McCain as SoS is because it is being used against JD incorrectly by people like you! In a 15-second sound byte, this does *sound* inconsistent with any other criticisms that JD might have about McCain. But when explained fully, it makes MUCH sense.

    So you have actually proved why JD is justified in removing that letter. It is too easily used against him unfairly in a real cheap shot that plays to the sensibilities of “joe-6-pack” who might not know “the rest of the story”.

    By you attempted this cheap shot, and failing to understand some critical points that are easy to understand when one digs just a little below the surface, you actually prove my point.

  • clement

    ‘the devil we know’ makes JD’s connection to abromoff look like peanuts when you look at McCain’s connection to Keating,

  • Scope

    It depends on the Democrat running against him. There probably are many that would be to the right of McCain. Then again, it depends if McCain is close to re-election or not. Funny thing that McCain suddenly remembers that he is a Republican a year out from retaining his Senate seat.

    If you really believe that McCain is worthy of keeping his seat, then you are a part of the problem, and, certainly not in the majority of the population that want TRAITORS like him gone. I’m actually surprised that he didn’t do an Arlen Spector, before Arlen Specter did an Arlen Specter. It really is where his heart is.

  • rj1913

    I agree that Obama is an American citizen. I agree that it’s a non-story. I’ll continue to agree regardless of how long you keep this non-story front and center.

  • Scope

    that this uninformed, hate-filled, deluded community is responsible for your decision to support the TRAITOR. You prefer to keep the Republican party in the wilderness with an unprincipled Senator that has done “almost” as much damage to this country as the Progressives. His own freakin daughter calls herself a Progressive Republican. His wife has come out in support of Gay Marriage. He balked at the Supreme Court decision in support of free speech. He was for Global Warming, before he was against it, and, low and behold now he’s for it again. Do you need another long list of what this idiot has been for, and, against Republican principles. Again, he doesn’t have the first firmly held principle that he is willing to fight for, just so he can reach his arm across the aisle. He doesn’t get his arm chewed off, he gets the legs chewed off all of the Republicans that are trying to fight the move directly into Communism. He is the poster boy of what not to do if you claim to be a Republican.

  • SteveLA

    Where is his fiscal prudence?

    Voted FOR the Prescription drug bill
    Voted FOR all manner of pork barrel crud

    And then there’s Jack Abernoff

    You really think JD is a conservative? He sure as heck from his time in Congress was a member of the spending like Drunken Sailor Republicans if you check his record.

  • mbecker908

    I really don’t know, I’ve never been able to get into McCain’s head. I will venture a guess…

    My guess as to why JD’s running is that he needs a job and he thinks McCain is vulnerable. JD’s ego is bigger than Texas. His brain is significantly smaller than Rhode Island (relatively speaking).

    I have no clue why McCain rolled over for Obama. I do think he likes being a US Senator and will kill to keep the job. He got lucky with JD and got an easy target.

    Shadegg or Flake? I have no clue. Either would give McCain a really solid run and I would rate the primary a toss up. I think it’s easy to construct a victory for either of them, neither really has any “baggage” and JD’s got a train.

  • Doc Holliday

    I will say I don’t see the point in trying to primary our last presidential candidate. We all know McCain’s faults, but this just looks untoward. If there was a really good reason to do it, then fine. And if the voters want JD, that is fine too. But I say we have much more important things to spend our time and money on, like trying to win Democrat seats.

  • SteveLA

    JD was mostly on Hannity, mostly talking crud about illegal aliens without offering up a darn bit of legislation that could do something about the problem.

    Guess taking tough is good enough for people who don’t live in a state were there are a ton of illegals, instead of actually doing something about the problem that is which is the JD MO.

  • Flagstaff

    It’s still a crappy answer that makes me think that maybe it doesn’t even matter what he believes.

    The answer should now be, “He’s a natural born citizen, born of an American mother in the state of Hawaii. Only the left is still pushing this question, trying to divide us over a manufactured issue.”

    Not “Barack Obama is the President of the United States and meets all the legal and constitutional requirements to be President.” That sounds as if he’s trying to hide his answer from the birfers. I HATE those weasel words.

  • aesthete

    Except that I don’t believe him :)

    That answer would have had the added benefit of putting the left on the defensive, rather than JD. Of course, we are talking about JD here.

  • Scope

    beat anything and everything the Kos and the MSM can possibly come up with. I don’t know if he has children, but, I suspect they will be the next targets.

  • GoldieAZ50

    Have you read the letter he wrote? There was no deep thinking on JD’s part, there never is. He was Glad Obama took Janet (as we all were) and wanted McCain gone too, so he could run for either Governor or Senator.

    Three paragraphs from JD’s letter to Obama:
    November 6th 2008
    “Understandably, you will first take time to honor the memory of your beloved grandmother at a Memorial Service in Hawaii. She passed on just as you were on the cusp of your historic victory. As you return to the Aloha State, please ask Gov. Linda Lingle to release your birth certificate. I don?t suggest this to be provocative; I recommend this as a productive step. In so doing, you could put to rest any whispers or suspicions about your constitutional fitness for office. Please do this?the sooner, the better.

    As you prepare to staff your Administration, you have already helped Arizona. Your inclusion of Janet Napolitano on your transition team suggests that you may have a cabinet position in mind for her. Her inclusion in your cabinet and her departure as Governor would be a win-win: she would be happy to move to Washington, and Arizonans would be happy to see her go.

    In your remarks Election Night, you spoke highly of another Arizonan: your opponent, Senator John McCain. The best way to embrace a ?post-partisan? America would be to name John McCain as your Secretary of State.”

    Used unfairly? He leads with his Birther agenda, and then asks for a clear path to run for office. The only concern JD has is for himself. You can spin him anyway you want to.

    If JD cannot handle a few easy interviews after the years he spent in the media he really stupid. That he failed so miserably right out of the gate speaks volumes.

    Regarding the Senate, McCain called for a stop to the wild spending for years. Remember his line “Congress is spending like drunk sailors, no offense to drunk sailors” & JD was part of that. (JD voted for the “Bridge to Nowhere”) yet Bush did not veto a single spending bill. No wonder the Republicans were voted out. JD lost a RED seat in AZ to a Democrat!

    So you endorsed the idea of tax cuts combined with increased reckless spending? No wonder we were so far in debt BEFORE Obama started his spending spree! We are ALL paying for it now.

    So yes I will vote for McCain, if you vote in Arizona you can vote for whoever you want.

  • SteveLA

    JD “told” Erick that he really doesn’t believe that nonsense…nudge nudge wink wink. Isn’t that good enough for you?

  • GoldieAZ50

    It looks bad and is a waste of time and energy. JD is awful, all the current and former reps in Arizona have endorsed McCain.

    I want to spend my time unseating Gabrielle Giffords in District 8, a Pelosi lapdog.

    JD is not interested what is good for the country, only an opportunist.

    McCain has a lot of power in the Senate and sits on key committees. A new senator has nothing. We need McCain right were he is, to lead the new REPUBLICAN senators into a fiscally conservative congress.

  • konstantine

    McLiberal really wants to make it official and become a democrat – he just hasn’t betrayed conservatives enough yet as a republican. I’m sure he wants to continue this sham of his a while longer. And I agree with you – all of the conservatives who want McTraitor to continue his crimes against conservatives really are part of the problem – because a democrat senator from Arizona really would be better than his back-stabbing, TRAITOR self!

  • Lords86

    Erick – the issue isn’t as much whether J.D. is a birther or not – if he says that he isn’t, then I suppose (in the absence of specific information to the contrary) I must accept that statement for its factual accuracy.

    The problem with J.D. Hayworth is that he’s a blowhard. As I call Obama – “All Fluff, No Stuff,” I label J.D “All Fluster, No Muster.”

    These are serious times for serious people – people who have not only the charismatic ability to attract voters through rhetorical soundbites and quips, but the intellectual integrity and capacity to develop sound policy and lead people. J.D. has plenty of the former and not much of the latter AND, in the abstract (assuming his birther disavowal to be accurate), well, then his statement to Campbell Brown was non-sensical.

    Regrettably for Arizona, John McCain’s day has passed and J.D. Hayworth’s day probably should never come. Conservatives are not served well by either choice.

  • kateusa

    through his Reform Institute.

  • aesthete

    “There probably are many that would be to the right of McCain.”

    I don’t have any use for the man, and I won’t pretend that he’s some conservative crusader, but he beats the Dem any day of the week. I won’t vote for him, but if McCain were truly in danger in the general (purely hypothetical), I’d pull the lever for him (or rather, against the Dem).

  • SteveLA

    kateusa

    Got anything to back that charge up are are you just the sort that like to make sh** up? What’s up next, some story about Bridget McCain you’d like to spread?

  • gekster

    http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2008/04/10/mccain-camp-lashes-soros_n_96154.html

    It’s from the huffington post, so use the whole salt shaker.

  • mbecker908

    What I care about is that it has no chance of success and will tap resources away from races we can win.

  • Doc Holliday

    I figured that phrasing would get some blowback. What I mean is we would look like idiots and backstabbers, I am not talking niceties.

    McCain is no threat to our cause, particularly if we gain the majority. He might not be a good conservative, but he can hold a grudge. I think he has shown a willingness to fight Obama.

    I see your argument is about winning, I agree with you there too. How can Hayworth be expected to win a Senate race when he just lost in his own district?

  • kateusa

    http://michellemalkin.com/2008/01/25/meet-the-open-borders-family-mccain-hernandez-soros-and-the-reform-institute/

    http://michellemalkin.com/2008/08/21/tides-foundation-official-indicted-for-theft/

  • mbecker908

    Ignorant, foolish and incapable of rational thought. I can see why you’re attracted to JD.

    First, you can dislike McCain for a whole lot of reasons but not for “treason”. You might want to check the Constitution on that one, there is a very specific definition and frivolous use of the word as you are prone to devalues the meaning when applied to those who actually should have been charged (John Kerry for his trip to Paris & Teddy Kennedy for his letter to the Russians). It also removes any authority that one might have attached to your argument because by bandying the word around you show that you are ignorant on the basics.

    Second, there are no Democrats “to the right of McCain” who could get more than a handful of votes in Arizona. There is only one Dem with any statewide name recognition, Terry Goddard our AG, and he’s running for – and may well be elected to – governor.

    It’s not a matter of whether “McCain is worthy of keeping his seat”, it’s a matter of having a primary opponent who can run a credible race against him. JD Hayworth can’t do that. Either John Shadegg or Jeff Flake could have but they chose not to run.

  • SteveLA

    But as my hero Forest would say.

  • desertdweller

    JD pwn3d birthers (and troofers, too) on the call in show plenty enough times to make this a non-issue.

    McCain lost me off his mailing list as soon as there was the RUMOR of JD’s joining the fight. He’s a fiscal tightwad and secure border advocate. He saw the plane parts at the Pentagon. He supports Sheriff Joe. And he listens to the people.

    GO JD!

  • mbecker908

    we’ve got six years to talk John Shadegg or Jeff Flake or Congressman Jesse Kelly or another solid conservative with an actual brain into running for the seat.

    Elect JD and six years from now we’ll be talking about US Senator Harry Mitchell.

  • aesthete

    but far and away a better conservative voter than JD (especially Flake).

  • http://www.havearoach.com Lee Hempfling

    does not mean his explanation is correct in this reality. I’ve heard his show quite a lot and although he has skirted on the edges, he has leaned so far over the ledge that it was too far for devil’s advocate. He might not even be aware that he came across that way. In fact I believe he doesn’t. I think he just remembers the disclaimers he placed after each time I heard him discuss the birther issue. JD is a good guy, don’t get me wrong. But just because he is believable does not mean what he believes is correct.

  • http://www.havearoach.com Lee Hempfling

    I received his bulk email today asking readers to sign his endorsers list. I thought about it for three hours, then I threw it away. I’m sure but I am not sure I am sure, if you know what I mean?! Which is probably not what you’re thinking.

  • jfindl2

    general.

  • jfindl2

    How does voting for Democrats get us out of the wilderness?

  • GoldieAZ50

    What fun can be had with all those files!

    Thanks, I bookmarked it. The media will have a field day with it.

    If I can stand to listen long enough I may put some clips together.

  • deano64

    And to all of you who actually think a Hayworth primary win means a Democrat victory in the general…I actually burst out laughing. I do live here in AZ and that ain’t gonna happen. Oh and welcome to all you McCain staffers who stopped by to give your two cents. I was just listening to McCain on the radio earlier in the week proudly reaffirming his belief in man made global warming. Maybe if does get reelected he’ll throw us a gang of 14 cap and trade party next year just like the good old times. JD Hayworth is a staunch conservative and he has the voting record to prove it. McCain is a RINO and his voting record proves that. That’s good enough for me.

  • Rob_McEwen

    Being for tax cuts doesn’t make a person supportive on spending increases. I’ve always been for tax cuts AND spending cuts… and notice that I *did* give McCain credit for his support of spending cuts in that previous post to which you replied. And I’ve been very dissappointed by Republican over-spending in recent years.

    It is too bad that we don’t have a better candidate to run against McCain. But my impression is that JD would vote distinctly to the right of McCain on a variety of issues, and that might be a critical vote on many important things.

    I’m also starting to think that a back-stabbing RINO is worse than just getting a Democrat in there. At least the Dems get the blame when a Dem votes to increase taxes. At least then the ‘brand’ isn’t destroyed and people know what they are voting for/again in the next election.

  • http://truthupfront.blogspot.com jsanzone

    So, does this mean we can believe Medina when she says she absolutely believes that al-Qaeda terrorists flew the planes into the world trade center, that the U.S. government was not involved, and that she’s not affiliated with truthers nor supports them?

  • RedBeard

    The distaste (quite correct) for McCain is blinding some folks to the political realities of needed to choose the least damaging path, rather than shooting ourselves in the foot.

  • tngal

    Man I wish there could be some handshake moment on this birther thing before , say, June. That way attention could pivot to crucial immediate problems the (legit/non-legit) prez is causing like spending and taxing.

    FTR- McCain isn’t just squishy.he’s downright gooey.

  • seaspeas

    “I’m just saying the president should come forward with the information, that’s all. Why must we depend on the governor of Hawaii?”

    READ MORE: http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2010/01/26/jd-hayworth-a-birther-mcc_n_438004.html

    Those are Hayworth’s words, not a conspiracy concocted by John McCain. That’s pretty unequivocal, regardless of how he’s trying to spin it now.

  • tangohotel

    If you did live here in Phoenix you would know that Arizona is becoming purple because of all the California/Back East people who have moved here (among other reasons). We elected Janet – twice! ? and Terry Goddard is probably going to be our NEXT governor. (How scary is that)
    Hayworth lost his seat to MITCHELL in a 90% Republican district. Only a small fringe of people even like JD.
    If JD wins it is a 100% guarantee that we will elect a Democrat to the senate. GUAR-AN-TEE Look how happy the liberals are that this guy will get smoked here in the AZ
    http://motherjones.com/mojo/2009/11/5-reasons-dems-should-hope-jd-hayworth-challenges-mccain
    Again, Barry Sotero was campaigning here in Arizona one WEEK before the election. Was it because the R?s were voting for a D? Of course not! We have a large independent voter base. Are they going to vote for JD freakin? Hayworth! You?re outta your mind! A paper plate with a name tag will beat him here in a general election.

  • tangohotel

    If you did live here in Phoenix you would know that Arizona is becoming purple because of all the California/Back East people who have moved here (among other reasons). We elected Janet – twice! ? and Terry Goddard is probably going to be our NEXT governor. (How scary is that)
    Hayworth lost his seat to MITCHELL in a 90% Republican district. Only a small fringe of people even like JD.
    If JD wins it is a 100% guarantee that we will elect a Democrat to the senate. GUAR-AN-TEE Look how happy the liberals are that this guy will get smoked here in the AZ
    http://motherjones.com/mojo/2009/11/5-reasons-dems-should-hope-jd-hayworth-challenges-mccain
    Again, Barry Sotero was campaigning here in Arizona one WEEK before the election. Was it because the R?s were voting for a D? Of course not! We have a large independent voter base. Are they going to vote for JD freakin? Hayworth! You?re outta your mind! A paper plate with a name tag will beat him here in a general election.

  • skat

    Scope,
    You continually advocate letting the Democrats win – really a strange tactic if you actually want border control, etc.
    Are you completely blinded by hate? You really can’t see how illogical your position is?
    McCain is to right of Obama. McCain is to right of Democrats.
    As an Arizonan, I completely disagree with McCain’s illegal immigrants stance, but it’s a lot better than what Obama will put in place with more Democrat Senators.
    Self-righteousness conservatives are the only people who think it’s possible to win by losing. Militarily, financially, professionally, scholastically, economically, athletically, – no one tries to lose in order to win! Any military leader,teacher, coach, etc advocating losing would be ridiculed and replaced with someone who wants and plans to win.
    Anyone, according to you, who disagrees with your scheme isn’t a true conservative. Well, a lot of conservatives aren’t interested in giving true left-wing liberals more power.
    By the way, you continual reference to John McCain as a “traitor” is truly disgusting.
    We

  • skat

    tangohotel,
    Notice that most Arizonans keep saying what you’re saying? Gee, what do Arizona Republicans know about Arizona politics – apparently nothing! Obviously, scope and others know best!

  • http://travismonitor.blogspot.com Freedoms Truth

    Nobody here who wants to see McCain defeated in the Republican primary wants to get a Democrat elected.

    Nobody!

    McCain … is he a real Republican with this list of heresies? … “His own freakin daughter calls herself a Progressive Republican. His wife has come out in support of Gay Marriage. He balked at the Supreme Court decision in support of free speech. He was for Global Warming, before he was against it, and, low and behold now he?s for it again. Do you need another long list of what this idiot has been for…”

  • mbecker908

    I happen to agree that any Republican will beat any Democrat in the general election Senate race. What will NOT happen is JD beating McCain in the primary.

    And JD’s voting record is nothing to write home about. Ask Dick Armey and Grover Norquist. Or the entire Republican Congressional Delegation who’ve worked with JD and are endorsing McCain.

    I have no use for McCain and I think either Shadegg or Flake could have beaten him. JD won’t even get close.

  • http://travismonitor.blogspot.com Freedoms Truth

    “The problem with J.D. Hayworth is that he?s a blowhard”

    SO IS MCCAIN.

    Of course McCain’s blowhard-ism is directed against conservatives and beloved by the media, so it plays better on the ABCBSMSNBCCNN media-megaplex. But for conservatives, it is infinitely more harmful.

    And this thread is about correcting the record on JD’s Birther status. He aint a birther. End of story, move on. Lets talk about the REAL issues in the race, like McCain-Feingold, immigration/borders, national security, taxes and spending, etc.

    The birther stuff is a media-concocted distraction. It’s been made clear that the birther questions were ambush questions in interviews and are being over-spun to hurt JD …. ARE WE GOING TO LET THE MEDIA PICK A GOP PRIMARY WINNER AGAIN?

    JD may have flaws but being a liberal-media-beloved RINO aint one of them.

  • skat

    Freedoms Truth,
    Better go look at the JD archives! Scope previously posted that if he lived in Arizona that he would vote for a Democrat instead of John McCain. He also stated that he would prefer a Arizona Democrat Senator to a Senator McCain. Scope said I should be glad he didn’t live in Arizona because he would vote for the Democrat instead of McCain.
    Sarah Palin should make Todd Palin register as a Republican too! We all completely agree with and totally control our spouses and kids, right? I don’t support Cindy McCain views, but they are Cindy’s and she isn’t running for the Senate.

  • mld678

    J.D. Hayworth wants to represent the state of Arizona while going about life as if it was the south in the 1960′s. Ignorance. He has not proven progress, responsibility or truth. arizona needs McCain to keep his seat

  • skat

    JD can’t carry the 5th District, therefore, he can’t win statewide.

  • aesthete
  • aesthete

    Losing the 5th district in AZ as a conservative is the equivalent of losing the Deep South as a Republican. Even if JD were a good candidate, which he clearly isn’t, not winning the 5th district would be crippling.

  • gekster
  • skat

    aesthete,
    It does seem pretty simple. If JD wins the primary, here’s hoping he proves me wrong!

  • skat

    jsanzone,
    That is the only logical conclusion, as well as, the only fair one.

  • gekster

    sorry

  • deano64

    Terry Goddard for Governor. LOL! I’ve got a dose of reality coming for you November. Look for a HUGE RED TSUNAMI to inundate AZ come this fall.

  • skat

    deano64,
    I haven’t been following the governor race at all. I certainly hope you’re right, but I thought Janet didn’t have a chance. Remember what happened? Sheriff Joe, who I like, endorsed Janet and that made the difference. I wonder if Joe ever regretted his endorsement.

  • skat

    Scope,
    Last time I checked, Americans – yes, even Republicans – were allowed to think for themselves and support the candidate they prefer.
    Yeah, voting for Republicans will keep them “in the wilderness”!

  • skat

    Scope,
    I noticed you mentioned I have you confused with someone else because you’re a woman. No, you’re the scope I remembered – I just never knew you were a woman.
    You did say you would vote for a Democrat, as you mention others did also.
    All the traitor name calling only demeans you!

  • skat

    Freedoms Truth
    Notice that scopes posted above that she “may” have said she would vote for a Dem, but she can’t exactly, positively remember. She does remember others saying they would vote for a Democrat instead of McCain. Sound like a good strategy to you? Want to really teach the country a lesson? Want everyone to see how horrible Dems are? Vote Democrat! Remember their motto:
    Victory Through Defeat

  • cimbri

    If you ask someone what hospital Obama was born in, then you’re apparently a birther. I think he was born in Hawaii, but that he is also hiding something. That’s pretty obvious. The liberals have instituted a very draconian speech model, and it is backed to the hilt with the threat of being labeled a racist for noncompliance. Asking questions is not allowed, just ask ol Joe the Plumber. Who would ever guess that in America, simply asking a question could get you investigated.

  • mbecker908

    Red Tsunami? Hardly. All that will happen is that we MAY get back three House seats that we never should have lost. That includes, BTW, CD5 where the voters tossed JD Hayworth out on his fat mouth in ’06.

    Now then, with respect to Terry Goddard, if he runs against our sitting governor he will likely win. He’ll cast himself as a law & order guy who is a solid administrator with executive experience in the state house and since Jan Brewer is the worst thing that’s happened to the governor’s office since Rose Mofford, and frankly isn’t as well known as Goddard, he’ll most likely beat her.

    If Dean Martin wins his primary contest against Brewer, he’ll most likely beat Goddard. Right now he’s better positioned as the state treasurer to make the case that he can get the state’s financial situation squared away.

  • mbecker908

    While I’ll be the first to say that the Arizona media has no use for JD Hayworth, at least they can make a reasonable case for their disgust. As far as the “media personality” thing goes, JD is much more the media guy than McCain. I’ll admit that McCain is a media whore, but at least he’s a high priced whore. JD is the equivalent of a media crack whore and the most dangerous place in AZ is standing between him and a camera. Now if we could just get McCain to do that…

  • tangohotel

    I’m actually a PC here in Arizona for the GOP. It’s easy for outsiders to think we’re some Old Wild West bastion of conservatism. So was California and Colorado once upon a time. I WANT TO HAVE TWO REPUBLICAN SENATORS. Independents now outnumber Republicans and Dems. Hayworth will get shellacked in the general.
    We are also going through a HUGE economic mess, second only to California in terms of ugliness. Don’t think the DNC hasn’t had there eye out here in the Sonoran Desert.

  • Flagstaff

    Put them at opposite sides of the room, with a mike and a camera in the middle. The collision would be epic. (^:^) And I still like JD.

  • RedBeard

    Of course Obama is hiding a whole raft of things about his past. That is obvious to anyone paying attention. Such secrecy worked to his advantage during his election campaign, given the complicity of the major media.

    The problem is the perception. It’s not fair, nor just, but by bringing up these questions, you will be guaranteed by the Obamatons of the leftie media a spot right next to the birther cuckoos who rave about Obama being born in Kenya, Indonesia, Lower Slobovia, Planet Mongo, or worse. Not a good place to be pigeonholed.

    The resultant problem is that bringing up Obama’s secrecy now, in an election year, is a huge losing issue. It’s the last thing we need to be doing if we want to retake Congress. Any politician who allows this subject to stick to him will lose due to his own foolishness.

  • deano64

    Yes crack me up! (not u guys) I mean people posting that gee we’ll probably end up with a Dem governor and gee we are just purple state now and we’ll be lucky to pick up a few house seats, gee I hope Hayworth doesn’t win or we’ll end up with a Dem in that seat. For god’s sakes you would think these people were talking about living in somewhere in the Northeast (other than MA anyway) Do you really think Jan Brewer will be the Republican nominee? I mean really? I think it’s highly unlikely that any Repub. who is pushing for tax increase at anytime let alone during a recession will be around in November. I know you are aware of the current political climate nationwide and yet you seem to believe it doesn’t apply here in AZ. I don’t get it. AZ has voted for 1 Dem president on the last 50 years and we didn’t just turn into CA overnight. I would agree we have at minimum 3 congressional seats to pick plus a new conservative Republican governor. Plus JD Hayworth can beat McCain. I know very few think he has any chance. McCain himself seems to think he does though or else he would be ignoring him althogether. Red Tsunami on the way.

  • mbecker908

    First of all deano64, your time here will be much better spent if you learn how to read and for pete’s sake learn how to use REPLY TO THIS.

    I’ve never said a Democrat could win that seat – although I do think Goddard could beat JD this time and I’m sure Mitchell could in six years. This time out, if JD wins the primary he wins the general.

    You obviously know nothing about Arizona demographics. I’ve gone over this before, but I’ll do it again for you.

    • JD lost the 5th CD in ’06 because the voters have no use for him personally.
    • JD is not a conservative in any sense of the word when it comes to fiscal matters.
    • The most conseravtive folks in the state, residents of Sun Cities and the military consider McCain to be “one of their own”.
    • Southern Arizona generally likes/tolerates McCain and hates Hayworth. They also hate JD’s only high profile endorser – Joe Arpaio.
    • Endorsers for McCain: Palin, Scott Brown (both will help him), the entire AZ congressional delegation. JD: …
    • McCain has unlimited funds and will have to spend $50.00 to win the general.
    • JD has maybe enough to buy you breakfast if you order off the dollar menu.
    • JD has history dating back at least 10 years of being his own worst enemy. He never thinks before he speaks and frankly, he’s not too bright.
    • The entire media base in the state hates JD. They will be more than happy to participate while he makes a fool of himself. And he will regularly.

    That’s just the top line stuff. You might want to note that when the Ras poll came out in November that showed JD within two of McCain everybody got all wound up about beating McCain. I said then that JD would peak on the day he announced and then crater. I was wrong. Ras polled at the end of January and JD was already 12 down and McCain was over 50. This won’t be close.

    With respect to McCain taking JD seriously, of course he is. He wants to be Senator for six more years. He will use JD’s own words and his House votes and beat him to death over the next three months and he’ll do it with help from Palin and Brown. JD will be dead meat before he has enough money to put an ad in Craigslist.

    deano, you’re making a fool of yourself. Now zip up and go watch the olympics.

  • mbecker908

    in AZ this year. They just don’t have a credible candidate and no Marxist from Tuscon will get 100 votes in Maricopa County.

    If JD did get elected this year – which he won’t – I think he’d be really vulnerable to Mitchell in six years. OTOH, he’d probably be vulnerable to Shadegg, Flake or Kelly too.

  • cimbri

    The liberals continue to create the landscape we all wander in.