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On Rand Paul

Were I living in Kentucky on May 18th, I’d willingly and gladly go vote for Rand Paul for the United States Senate.

On Sunday, I listed the candidates I was all in for. Rand Paul was not on the list and I’ve gotten a lot of blow back from people for saying I’d support him twitter, but not putting him on that list.

I wanted to chat with you guys first. We’ve taken a pretty hard line on all things “Paul” here at RedState, and even amongst the contributors I get unmitigated hell for saying I’d support Rand Paul.

But I would.

I have real reservations. No, I do not think he is a truther. No, I do not think he is a birther. No, I do not think he’d be soft on Iran. In fact, in all of the flagged statements about Rand Paul, viewing his statements in context, it is clear the reporters and others are trying to pin him down on his father’s views, not his.

I take very seriously that at the nation’s founding, the founders insisted that in matters of treason and other crimes, no law should work “corruption of blood,” or put another way, the sins of the father would not be made the sins of the son.

I am not super gung-ho for Rand Paul. Every time I think I am, he says something that gives me pause and he has spent some time on the Alex Jones radio show, which does not exactly give me a comfortable feeling.

All the said, though, of the candidates running in the Republican Primary in Kentucky, I find him to be the best choice. He is really for limited government. He is really for not just the idea of freedom, but the idea of liberty — two words treated as synonyms, but with specific meanings. We often times put all our emphasis on freedom, but we should be putting our emphasis on liberty as the founders did and understood it — the right not just to be free, but to act in a moral way such that our freedoms do not encroach on the freedoms of others.

The point of supporting Rand Paul was driven home to me last Thursday night as Senator Bunning launched a one man filibuster against the Democrats. He came under relentless attack and even his own Republican Party would barely come to his aid (kudos to Bob Corker (R-TN)).

Trey Grayson, Rand Paul’s opponent, would never do such a thing. Grayson is an errand boy to Mitch McConnell and would never do anything other than what McConnell insisted. I don’t live in Kentucky, but if I did, I’d want a senator who was his own man, like Senator Bunning. That’s Rand Paul for me.

I have no doubt that a Senator Paul and I would but heads on issues, but no more so that I do with other Republicans. Rand Paul transcends GOP politics and picks up libertarians as well. He is not his father and I will not heap my issues with his father on his head.

I’ll join Sarah Palin and others and support Rand Paul for the United States Senate. He can win. And he’s the best of the lot in Kentucky. Your mileage may vary — I know I’m in the minority with even the other contributors — but I hope you’ll step back from your view of his father and give Rand Paul a look as his own man.

And I’ll add Rand Paul to my list of people I am supporting now that I’ve explained my position to you. If you can’t comfortably support him, I totally understand. But I hope you’ll consider him and his positions separate from those of his father.

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COMMENTS

  • http://jeffemanuel.net Jeff Emanuel

    …he simply hasn’t renounced the Ron Paul views he spent so much time vocally supporting during the 2008 campaign.

    He wouldn’t get my vote until he convincingly did that. Period.

  • RINKER

    I’m pro-life, and I won’t compromise on that issue to support Rand Paul. I’m sending money to Trey Grayson.

  • http://www.neoavatara.com/blog neoavatara

    I think that his father is hurting his chances. I have not followed Paul close enough to say how much he has distanced himself from his father.

    But I am always wary. Political lineages are difficult things to predict. And until Rand Paul comes clearly out of the closet on some of the most controversial issues, I would have a problem out and out supporting him.

  • Scott Mustian

    I sent a question to an appearance that Rand Paul held a few months ago that was streamed . I asked ” Are you going to be specific about reducing government or will just you repeat the standard mantra for limited government without details.”

    His immediate answer was to list specific government programs and departments that need to be cut or eliminated such as commerce, agriculture, education etc. He closed by saying let’s balance the budget by returning to a previous budget that matches current revenues … 2007 for example. He said we need quit playing word games about reducing the rate of growth or “prioritizing” spending and start truly reducing government. He is also not promising to bring the federal treasury back to Kentucky … McConnell’s constant bragging point.

    We need about 330 members of the house and 75 members of the Senate saying the same thing and we can avoid the coming economic disaster approaching.

    I can guarantee you Trey Grayson will never be specific about his beliefs and repeat whatever talking points supplied by Mitch McConnell. He is the stereotypical CAREER “go along to get along” Republican (former Democrat). He will never make a hard choice to derail his political position.

  • rdelbov

    If you talk to Ron Paul supporters they are absolutely convinced that Rand and Ron are complete sync on opinions. You say to them-”Rand Paul does appear to believe in” and they say “how do you know?”. Per Rand Paul’s website your views are quite different then Ron Paul’s views but no supporter will say that.

    I hear one of Rand Paul’s video the other day and it sounded okay. Yet just a few words here and there struck me as odd. Rand Paul said his campaign was “lucky” and as Christian I get used to people saying “fortunate” or “blessed”. Were we lucky to have founding fathers like Washinton-Hamilton-Adams or were we blessed?

    Rand Paul has said he is “Pro-life” and “Pro-gun” but does he believe in the “right to bear arms” and “the right to life”.

    These are little things and maybe he has given lots of speechs using different phrases.

    All I know when I hear Obama say “not everyone was lucky enough to be born” it sets off alarm bells as to what our President’s core believes are.

    I would vote for Rand Paul against any democrat but I am not there supporting in a primary-yet.

    if others have doubts listen to his videos and listen to how he phrases things.

  • Scope

    should speak to the fact that, he may not be his father, but, if you are a Paul Libertarian, or a traditional Libertarian not in the Paul mode, you still are not strong on national security. I choose to believe that there really are terriorists that hate Americans. They are not going away, even with the Obama appology tour. They are increasing their hatred of the US infidels. I could never support anyone that is even wiggly on the security of the US.

    Your position is dissapointing, but, it is your choice to make.

  • ajhjack

    that is my main concern with Grayson- he will be Mitch’s errand boy. I hate that Bunning got the bum’s rush from the establishment GOP. I am almost there in fully supporting Paul. Bunning’s lone wolf stance made it more likely.

  • The_Gadfly

    Individuals should be able to advocate for him, but The Directors as a whole should not take a position. Some of what Rand claims to be for would be good for the Republican Party. Heck, some of what the Big L libertarians advocate would be good for the Republicans. But not all and those others could cause serious problems down the road. This one really is a matter of personal conscience rather than essential conservative orthodoxy. I think Red State and The Directors should only take positions on conservative orthodoxy, while letting individual contributors debate the rest. And yes, in the Commonwealth of Mass., particularly given the state of the healthcare debate, supporting Brown was a matter of orthodoxy.

  • newsflash

    Early on I sent the Rand Paul campaign a small contribution. It’s been several months, and nothing he’s said or done has made me regret that. His support statewide has only grown, and I feel confident he can make it the rest of the way on his own. He is his own man, a grassroots Republican and a reluctant politician. I respect that.

  • bfsche01

    Since I live in Kentucky, I have been following this race closely. To be honest I haven’t decided who I am going to vote for, but I do want to clear up one thing about Grayson.

    He is actually a protegee of Bunning and NOT McConnell. Grayson, like Bunning, is from northern Kentucky and Bunning helped Grayson early in his political career. Heck, the reason Bunning stayed in the race as long as he did was to help clear the deck for Grayson.

    Does that mean that Grayson will be his own man in congress? I don’t know, but it is silly to assume he will be a yes man for McConnell.

  • jpniner

    in that race, why not support him like Alan Keyes actively is?

    Rand Paul has mouthed his fathers views and grew up around the Birch society his entire life.

    His top campaign aide had to resign for being a bigoted Nutter and for being in a SATANIC BAND for crying out loud. Paul is surrounded by Nutters, they are playing the political game to attempt to get elected. Once elected he would be in the Senate as the anti-GOP voice, especially on Foreign policy and continue to sell the Paultard fools gold.

    Paul is the only way the Dems might win that seat, with things very likely to come out once the money gets spent. There will be ALOT of Republicans that will refuse to vote for him and he will put off alot of Moderates. If the Dems run a moderate, they could easily win.

  • jpniner

    btw, ask Eric Dondero: Ron Paul ran as a Bush Republican in 1996 to win the seat he currently holds. He has not run as a nutter and got elected. Thats just what he truly is, once elected.

    With Rand, like his father, in addition to telling Lies to the GOP base about history, Constitution, the ‘neo-cons’….he would also very likely be a huge Porker using the same logic of his fathers.

  • jpniner

    btw, ask Eric Dondero: Ron Paul ran as a Bush Republican in 1996 to win the seat he currently holds. He has not run as a nutter and got elected. Thats just what he truly is, once elected.

    With Rand, like his father, in addition to telling Lies to the GOP base about history, Constitution, the ‘neo-cons’….he would also very likely be a huge Porker using the same logic of his fathers.

  • jpniner

    http://tookookyforkentucky.com

    has some good info on Paul

  • jpniner

    http://tookookyforkentucky.com

    has some good info on Paul

  • David_Rasbold

    … and I’ll be glad to go “out on a limb” here and state confidently that Rand Paul is the clear leader in the state, and will win the primary. It isn’t even close. To the chagrin of the Washington-based Kentucky Republican establishment leadership in the state (read McConnell’s minions).

    Regarding the supposed sticking points for the purists out there (oh, by the way, I’m strongly Right to Life and pro-gun), he has a strong pro-life record and is a 2nd ammendment proponent (regardless of what Trey’s or Bill Johnson’s followers state).

    What he doesn’t have is gov’t experience or a desire to become a politician for life (Uh, this is a good thing, particularly in today’s political climate). What he does embrace is the fight for limited government and federalism, first and foremost. This should be the initial embrace for all of us. For a limited gov’t is one that is less likely to intrude on things like our 2nd ammendment rights and our right to life.

    Trey is a career politician who is a nice guy, but has as much spine as that great Republican stalwart Senator from South Carolina. Simply, Grayson is the establishment’s choice, but is not a limited government conservative. Bill Johnson is definitely conservative enough, but lacks the support, polish, and base to win. Would I vote for either in the end if they were to win the Primary, absolutely.

    But, and here’s the question, will the Trey supporters swallow their pride and fall into line in the fall and vote for Rand when (okay, if) he wins? Goes back to the excellent posting by Erick last week (or so) on moderates that fail to play nice, but always demand as much from the conservatives.

    Trey is the moderate in this race if you were unsure…

  • SIConservative

    He is pro-life. Good luck finding a candidate who goes further to make that clear than he does.

  • http://elendil.schenkenfelder.com bfsche01

    How is Grayson the moderate in the race?

    On most of the major policy initiatives on the table can anyone tell me how Grayson and Paul and Johnson for that matter differ?

    Heck Grayson, the supposed moderate, got the KY Right to Life endorsement. How does a moderate get that endorsement?

    Personally, I don’t see that much difference between the candidates on the issues.

  • antisocial

    He is wobbly at best.

  • mikefisk

    You wonder how a moderate gets the endorsement of the Kentucky Right to Life group… that’s easy. One can be very pro-life but, in many (if not all) other things be in the middle, or even to the left of it. Heck, Dennis Kucinich was a relatively pro-life Congressman until he started running for President.

    Although being pro-life helps in being conservative, being pro-life and being conservative are not one and the same, and one can not necessarily be used to imply the other.

  • Scope

    obviously, as it is father’s organization. In order for the C4L people to support any candidate, they must complete a questioner which includes questions concerning their foreign policy beliefs. Non-interventionist policy is one the the C4L main issues. If any candidate doesn’t support that issue, they are not supported. Please see this link, where the Paul people are having major fits because Ken Buck received $350,000 in ad buys, and, holy crap, he is a neocon. Ken Buck is on your candidate list.

    http://www.dailypaul.com/node/123033

    If Rand Paul is giving any indication to anyone that he is not buying into the Paul foreign policy positions, lock stock and barrel, he is not being truthful and honest.

  • jpniner

    both Paultards of course, though Rand carries the name of the cult so it can live on…

    anyway, how can you condem Medina for being a 9/11 Truther(soft version) when Rand Paul has basically the same views, catering to the same Lunatics???

    http://www.whas11.com/community/blogs/political-blog/PaulGrayson-now-feud-over-911-questions-79673512.html

    when pressed by the Louisville Courier-Journal if he agreed or disagreed with Hightower?s belief that the United States government was responsible for the attacks on September 11th, Rand Paul?s campaign said it was a ?complicated situation? with ?truth on both sides.??

  • jpniner

    both Paultards of course, though Rand carries the name of the cult so it can live on…

    anyway, how can you condem Medina for being a 9/11 Truther(soft version) when Rand Paul has basically the same views, catering to the same Lunatics???

    http://www.whas11.com/community/blogs/political-blog/PaulGrayson-now-feud-over-911-questions-79673512.html

    when pressed by the Louisville Courier-Journal if he agreed or disagreed with Hightower?s belief that the United States government was responsible for the attacks on September 11th, Rand Paul?s campaign said it was a ?complicated situation? with ?truth on both sides.??

  • http://elendil.schenkenfelder.com bfsche01

    My point still remains.

    How is Grayson the moderate? He is obviously conservative on Right to Life issues. What public stance has Grayson made that makes him a moderate?

    I am at a loss to see why people consider him a moderate. Is it because he is supported by the party? Bunning was supported by the party establishment 6 and 12 years ago. Ron Lewis was supported by the party in 1994 when he won the 2nd district. I think it is safe to say both men are conservatives.

    Just because you are supported by the KY GOP “establishment” does not automatically make you a moderate. The KY GOP is not that national GOP.

  • jpniner

    Or as Pro-Life as his father, who got a 60% NARAL rating in 2006.

    How did the ‘pro-life” paul get a 60% NARAL Rating? On faulty reasoning of “State’s Rights”. He voted against things like Parental Notification for Minor’s crossing State Lines on that supposed reasoning. Ignoring the reality of the 21st century and who and were the powers are today. In effect, he voted very much in Favor of the Abortion Industry using what he thinks was the view of the era of the Horse and Buggy when it took a LONG time to actually cross State Lines. Not that I think the Founders viewed Life as a State Issue, they clearly did not(as Alan Keyes is pounding Rand Paul over head about).

    Then Paul turns around and bashes his Enemies, The Republicans, for voting for such bills and actually limiting abortions in the 21st Century and bashes them as Constitution shredders in the process.

  • jpniner

    Or as Pro-Life as his father, who got a 60% NARAL rating in 2006.

    How did the ‘pro-life” paul get a 60% NARAL Rating? On faulty reasoning of “State’s Rights”. He voted against things like Parental Notification for Minor’s crossing State Lines on that supposed reasoning. Ignoring the reality of the 21st century and who and were the powers are today. In effect, he voted very much in Favor of the Abortion Industry using what he thinks was the view of the era of the Horse and Buggy when it took a LONG time to actually cross State Lines. Not that I think the Founders viewed Life as a State Issue, they clearly did not(as Alan Keyes is pounding Rand Paul over head about).

    Then Paul turns around and bashes his Enemies, The Republicans, for voting for such bills and actually limiting abortions in the 21st Century and bashes them as Constitution shredders in the process.

  • jpniner

    with emphasis on the Pro-Life issue

    http://loyaltoliberty.blogspot.com/2009/09/bill-johnson-thoroughbred-conservative.html

  • jpniner

    with emphasis on the Pro-Life issue

    http://loyaltoliberty.blogspot.com/2009/09/bill-johnson-thoroughbred-conservative.html

  • jpniner

    But the Republican primary race in Kentucky also features another choice vital to the resurrection of real constitutional government in the U.S.: the choice between Bill Johnson and Rand Paul. Ron Paul’s son is mounting a well funded effort to exploit the rising tide of voters who identify with the conservative name. But like his father, he rejects Ronald Reagan’s ‘Peace through strength’ acceptance of America’s leadership for freedom in the world. Like his father, he echoes Barack Obama’s illogical willingness to pretend that America is to blame for the hateful attacks directed against us by Middle East terrorists. Like his father, he seeks the support of those who understand that the Constitution cannot survive unless its foundation of respect for unalienable rights is preserved. But, again like his father, he asserts that it can somehow be just and lawful for State governments to violate the unalienable rights of human offspring in the womb or the research laboratory. It’s only wrong when the Federal government does so.

    Sadly, Rand Paul’s stands disregard the common sense requirements of our national security. They also contradict the clear logic of the conservative creed which, like the United States itself, begins with the understanding that the fundamental purpose of government is to secure the unalienable rights which, by God’s will, are part of the birthright of our humanity. The U.S. Constitution explicitly requires (Article IV, Section 4) that all of the States of the United States adhere to the republican form of government, which is to say government based on the consent of the governed and limited in its powers to those actions consistent with respect for their unalienable rights. It makes no sense for people to claim that they respect and revere the Constitution, and yet take the position that the State governments can depart. whenever they choose, from the foundational premises of republican government. Whatever their claims, such people are pro-choice on unalienable rights, and in principle no different than those who abuse the rhetoric of ‘choice’ to camouflage the injustice of their assault against posterity in the womb.

    Is it possible to abandon the foundational principles of Constitutional government, and yet still be regarded as a true conservative? Isn’t liberty what we seek to conserve? But as our Founders repeatedly admonished, liberty is not the same as licentiousness. It does not mean redefining right to suit our desires. The root of our claim to rights is the idea of right as it is established by the will of the Creator God. We therefore cannot have the right to do what is fundamentally wrong, what contradicts, rejects or violates this basic premise of all justice. Ultimately, this is the basis for the concept of ‘limited government’. It is limited not by calculations of human power and inclination, but by the requirements of justice, grounded in the transcendent will of God.

    Thus, states’ rights cannot trump unalienable human rights. The will of the majority cannot confer on government at any level a legitimate power to do that which contravenes the premise of all governmental legitimacy. If it could, then Cass Sunstein and other Obama faction ideologists might be right when they argue that government has the legitimate power to do whatever those who control the government believe is preferable. The collectivist logic of totalitarian socialist control, though it tramples on individual unalienable rights, could somehow be made compatible with formal respect for the Constitution, despite the consolidation of unlimited power in the hands of government to do as those who control it see fit.

    What point is there in maintaining the fa?ade of conservatism while taking stands that pave the way for legitimizing, in principle, every kind of tyrannical abuse?

    I went to Kentucky to endorse Bill Johnson, and I will return again and again to help him as best I can. I will do so because he offers the only alternative that does not contradict and betray the common sense conservatives who long firmly to reestablish the simple logic of American liberty, so that it may long endure. I hope and pray that among those of you who read this, there will be many who see fit to visit his web page. Confirm what I have said. And then contribute what you can to the effort to assure that, at least in the 2010 U.S. Senate race in Kentucky, voters will be able to support a candidate who is truly conservative because he first seeks to be true to the American creed.

  • kygater

    you do have another choice! While you make some valid points, many of us here in Kentucky have already seen a side of Rand’s superiority complex in dealing with elderly and anyone else that doesn’t give him the “respect” he seems to think he is due. Many who tried to contact his campaign on issue-specific questions, receive no answer at all, rude answers, or the one I received which was “We have no response other than that listed on our website.” (Transparent?) Some believe that Grayson would not have the backbone necessary to withstand the partisan pressure required in Washington.

    Neither of these options appeal to me at all. I don’t want someone who thinks himself better than his constituents representing me, nor do I want someone I believe won’t stand up to the pressure or may be one of the “good ole boys”. That’s why many true conservative Kentuckians are supporting Bill Johnson – A Gulf War Veteran, real conservative, who believes in America and the Constitution. Because We Refuse To Settle !!!

  • http://elendil.schenkenfelder.com bfsche01

    I have no doubt that Bill Johnson is a rock solid conservative. I just have doubts about his ability to put together a complete campaign.

    Campaigns have three goals.

    1) They need to raise money to effectively communicate with the electorate

    2) Put together a cohesive media campaign to tell the story. Money is the catalyst for such a campaign.

    3) GOTV – Identifying and getting your people to the polls

    Johnson hasn’t been able to meet the first goal which is going to make it very difficult for him to meet the second and third goals.

    The reality is the Democratic nominee will have lots of money, a good GOTV effort, and a poor message. The problem is a poor message is better than no message. And no message is what you get if you can’t raise money.

    That is my biggest concern when it comes to Bill Johnson.

  • Scope

    and it also goes back to the C4L Paultarian view, it’s your body and you have the right to do with it as you please.” That’s another view Rand Paul must subscribe to in order to be supported by C4L, which he is.

  • kaysersb

    I just saw Rand Paul speak at the Shelby County Lincoln Day dinner this past weekend, and he blew away the others. Trey Grayson tried to take Dr. Paul’s remarks about Guantanamo detainees out of context and paint Paul as being in favor of releasing them all when, in fact, the question was about what to do with detainees if/when Guantanamo closes. Grayson has been contorting Dr. Paul’s words and taking them out of context quite a bit, trying to paint him with the same brush as his father. While Ron Paul embraces some ideas that are far too out there for me, I haven’t seen anything like that coming from his son.

    Yes, he helped campaign for his father in 2008 and embraced some of his father’s less palatable positions on the stump. He wasn’t the candidate-his father was, and he was trying to shore up support for his father’s policies. How much sense would it make to go out there and say ‘I disagree with my father, but you should still vote for him?’ As a result, I tend to dismiss those views unless directly espoused by Dr. Paul while a candidate in his own right.

    Furthermore, Grayson seems effete, aloof and haughty. At the aforementioned dinner, he had a photographer following him around taking his picture with everyone he talked to. His campaign staff seemed arrogant, conceited and dismissive of the other candidates – and spent most of their time engrossed in their iPhone rather than presenting the fa?ade of caring about the voters and party activists they were supposedly there to woo. In short, he and his staff played the part of establishment candidate to the T and, as such, should bear that mantle throughout the election. Conversely, Dr. Paul seemed humble and genuinely interested in campaigning for the office.

    I think it is telling that Grayson has joined with the lesser-known also-ran Bill Johnson in attempting to tear Dr. Paul down. Don’t get me wrong – Bill Johnson is a great guy. He is personable, has a history of military service noticeably lacking in the other candidates (on both sides) or either of our incumbent senators, but if we are 3 months out from the primary and he isn’t even registering in polls – or the minds of voters – then he is not a viable candidate. In all reality, this is a two-man race, and Grayson’s fear is only amplified by his joint attack on Dr. Paul. Dr. Paul is taking a principled stance in favor of federalism. Perhaps it is just a sad fact that we are not used to principled politicians, but Dr. Paul truly believes the federal government should be curtailed to the role originally intended by the framers, not take an activist approach to social issues. I am a cynic and, consequently, think any progress on the legislative front of this culture war will be negligible. Yes, I realize the ban on partial-birth abortion was a notable legislative victory and a tremendous inspiration to the pro-life movement, but it had to be upheld by the courts before it was accepted as law. I am unequivocally pro-life, but I am also pragmatic. This is, as it should have always been, a battle to be fought at the state level – that is merely what Dr. Paul is embracing. Roe v. Wade inappropriately made it a federal judicial issue through judicial fiat but, until that case is overturned, we are forced to accept its edict unless we amend the constitution. Therefore, were they running for POTUS, I would not be able to back Dr. Paul for his views on this matter. Given that they are running for Senate, and Dr. Paul is already squarely on the side of strict constructionists, I am able to overlook this uncertainty and feel confident he will fight for judicial nominees committed to the cause of life. (Even more, he said he would ‘probably’ support the partial-birth abortion ban – he is not opposed to the legislation, just to the idea of an over-reaching federal government; the legislation has been upheld as the law of the land, so the argument over it seems moot at this juncture.)

    We are all conservatives to varying degrees, meaning we share the founding principles of this great nation. The concept of federalism was not an accident or a side-note, it was one of the greatest checks and balances against a tyrannical central government. We have become so acclimated to government interference in our daily affairs that we accept prima facie many legislative excesses that would have been roundly defeated by the framers. Social security, Medicare, Medicaid, EPA, Clean Air Act – all are institutions that Americans accept and live with as ‘necessary’ programs, but all would fail to pass muster with the founders. Granted this is a discussion beyond the issue at hand, but the Constitution has been so perverted and contorted that we often accept legislative over-reach as justified. I find it refreshing that there exists a candidate who puts principle and ideals ahead of short-term policy victories. Abortion is a debate not likely to end in my lifetime, but we can make great strides to restore the checks and balances that the founder so meticulously and sagaciously laid out for us.

    Finally, Grayson makes repeated reference to his seven years in the Secretary of State’s office as proof of his ability to excel in the Senate. I would suggest that operating in the executive realm does not necessarily translate into success in the legislative realm (and vice versa, in the case of our current President). Grayson is a proficient administrator and constantly stresses his reduction of the budget by 15%. Given that the Senate is a body of 100 legislators and his success at cutting the state budget does not necessarily translate into his ability to cut the federal budget, I would argue Grayson is better suited for the Governorship. Kentucky is one of those wonderfully contrarian states that holds our executive elections in off-years. Grayson already has a great foundation laid for chasing Steve Beshear out of office next year, and would be better suited for that task. Furthermore, it is difficult to see Grayson as the same sort of fiscal conservative as Jim Bunning, holding the line even when unpopular, given that he is a prot?g? of our senior senator who brings home the bacon. We have the financial and pet project interests of Kentucky covered in Washington; now we need to make sure we have a Senator committed to limiting government and curtailing its intrusion into our lives. I can think of no better candidate in the Commonwealth to carry that banner than Rand Paul.

  • Scope

    because he knows if he openly talks about his national security foreign policy beliefs he will alienate many supporters. He is not being honest about it.

  • http://elendil.schenkenfelder.com bfsche01

    Grayson is a Bunning protege.

    Grayson is from N KY and has much of the same backing that Bunning had.

    Does anyone remembers when Bunning was forced out by McConnell? Bunning remained in the race long enough to make sure Grayson could get his campaign in place.

    In fact most at the time were complaining that Bunning was trying to clear the table so Grayson could win.

  • kaysersb

    Assuming you meant the NRSC position, as this is a Senate race, I am all for that! Let RedState help raise money for Dr. Paul! Remember the NRSC didn’t endorse Carly Fiorina or Kelly Ayotte or Trey Grayson, but they sure are rounding up the Beltway contributors for them.

    I like Rand Paul’s line, “I’ve been a Kentuckian longer than Trey Grayson has been a Republican.” I would urge my fellow Kentuckians to heed those words.

  • kaysersb

    …but McConnell has been carrying his water this election. I’m sure Grayson is trying to distance himself from Bunning given his polarizing nature, but I haven’t heard too much praise from our Junior Senator for his campaign.

    Meantime, McConnell is hosting fundraisers for Grayson and introducing him to all the inside-the-beltway (and NYC) fundraisers. Grayson is defending Seantor McConnell’s tenure as leader, vowing to support the Senior Senator indefinitely should he be elected. I, for one, am not looking for another McConnell. We already have a Senator playing the politics game in Washington. We do not need two. I am looking for someone who takes principled stands, whether they are popular or not. I am looking for someone who stands up for what is right, adheres to their beliefs and does not apologize for being their own man. Someone like Jim Bunning….and that someone, so far, is Rand Paul.

  • newsflash

    Rand Paul has said he would vote for a Constitutional amendment that specifically outlawed abortion. Absent that he would like to see the issue sent back to the states where we would see some immediate changes.

    “Dr. Paul has stated clearly that Roe v. Wade should be overturned, that life begins at conception, and that abortion should be illegal. But holding our breath waiting for the federal government to get this issue right isn’t likely to save lives any time soon. If states were to decide this issue for themselves, there can be little doubt that several states — including Kentucky — would respond by making abortion illegal immediately.”

    link

    When partial birth abortion was getting a lot of press, there was similar chatter in the pro-life movement. Why are we focused on one procedure? It’s not like regular abortion is any less immoral?

    Do you want incremental change or are you waiting for revolution?

    Partial birth abortion ban and Send it to the states = incremental change
    Constitutional ammendment/overturning Roe V. Wade = revolution

    Put me in the incremental change camp. Better to do something now than wait for who knows how long for the stars to align.

  • kaysersb

    In this case, the KY GOP establishment and national GOP establishment are one and the same. McConnell is strongly supporting his candidacy. While Mitch is our Senator and a huge player in the state establishment, he is also Republican Leader and, therefore, a huge part of the national establishment. He also rounded up 22 other senators for a fundraiser in DC. The NRSC is tacitly supporting Grayson. What, about that, does not scream establishment? These people tried to give us Charlie Crist! Pointing to McConnell’s support and to Grayson’s support for McConnell is not a winning formula in this environment. For many of us, Mitch has fallen regrettably short on standing athwart the Democrat’s liberal agenda and yelling stop. He seems more to be suggesting they slow down. For better or worse, Mitch is a Washington insider – not a very popular thing to be right now.

    Grayson is also seen as moderate in that he began his career as a Democrat and is tapping into his father’s expansive network of contacts (many, presumably, Democrats) for fundraising help. It also doesn’t help that he often reverts to personal criticisms when confronted with issues, rather than articulating their differences cogently and succinctly. You’re in trouble if you have to explain your stance on an issue by starting with “Well my opponent…”

  • JadedByPolitics

  • JadedByPolitics

    but I still LOVE YOU Erick :)

  • jpniner

    of such an Amendment it would be absolutely Useless.

    It is not a true Human Life Amendment. It would send the issue back to the states and thereby allow any state to allow unlimited abortions at any stage of gestation for any reason using any procedure including the hideous Partial Birth Abortion procedure. He basically is saying that States have a Right over the Inalienable Human Right to Life.

    See the President of the Human Life league, calling Ron Paul’s amendment: “Pro abortion”

    http://genuinegopmom.blogspot.com/2009/10/ron-pauls-sanctity-of-life-act-pro.html

  • jpniner

    http://genuinegopmom.blogspot.com/2009/10/why-rand-pauls-position-on-abortion-is.html

  • jpniner

    http://genuinegopmom.blogspot.com/2009/10/why-rand-pauls-position-on-abortion-is.html

  • jpniner

    …and he was the star at the recent debate between the 3..

    http://www.kentuckybill.com/page/johnson-overtakes-paul-in-the-polls

    We asked 1,257 likely republican voters the following questions:

    ?Who are you planning on voting for US Senate in the republican primary on May 18th??

    Trey Grayson 27%
    Bill Johnson 23%
    Rand Paul 21%
    Undecided 29%
    ————–

    So why support a RINO and very probable crackpot over a real Conservative?

  • jpniner

    …and he was the star at the recent debate between the 3..

    http://www.kentuckybill.com/page/johnson-overtakes-paul-in-the-polls

    We asked 1,257 likely republican voters the following questions:

    ?Who are you planning on voting for US Senate in the republican primary on May 18th??

    Trey Grayson 27%
    Bill Johnson 23%
    Rand Paul 21%
    Undecided 29%
    ————–

    So why support a RINO and very probable crackpot over a real Conservative?

  • jamesmackey

    I lived in Ron Paul’s district in 1996 and he did not run as a Bush Republican. The Bush family, father and son endorsed his opponent Greg Laughlin a party switcher. So did Newt Gingrich and the rest of the establishment.. Paul is well known in the state having run against Phil Graham another for the party nomination in the 1984 Senate race.

  • newsflash

    I don’t know that Rand Paul has endorsed the text of any specific legislation to outlaw abortion but I will state again that sending this issue back to the states will be a net win for the pro-life movement. Currently we have a Supreme Court decision that allows abortion at any time for any reason. If we can remove the issue from the purview of the Supreme Court through legislation in Congress, laws banning abortion will return. You’ll still have all the abortion you want in Massachusetts, but in places like Kentucky where abortion was forced on the population, they’ll have the opportunity to rid their state of it. I can’t see objectively how that is a bad thing or anything other than progress for the pro-life movement. It’s not the end of the battle–that end is a Constitutional amendment of some sort–but it would be progress.

    Sending the issue back to the states does not endorse what any one state will decide to do with it, but it will allow states to ban the procedure, something that is well nigh impossible at the moment. I respect Judie Brown, but she’s wrong on this.

  • http://www.conservative-compendium.com brian_garst

    I was one of those people hoping to see Rand Paul on your list. Like you I’m troubled by any association with Alex Jones. But you deserve kudos for not burdening him with his father’s baggage. He is his own man, and I don’t see near as many troubling signs with him as I do his dad.

    I think he would make a fantastic Senator, as he would bring a truly principled defense of liberty to a chamber that rarely sees such.

  • jfindl2

    Is Erick supporting Paul b/c he actually believes Rand is the strongest conservative in the race or due to the fact that Grayson has establishment backing? Sure, technically it could be both but I have trouble buying that when Paul talks about how he is against “nation building” and receives support from organizations that refer to the Iraq war as an occupation. I question whether Erick would be endorsing anybody if Grayson had not gotten any support in Washington. It seems Grayson’s only sin having the support of Mitch McConnell. I guess we have to rebuke the establishment even when they make the right decision.

  • rokinlamb

    Rand Paul will NEVER renounce the Ron Paul views because he shares them. He has said too many times that he agrees with his father, he just phrases things differently. “That way, it sounds more appealing to voters.”

    Just when I thought there might be hope for Erick, he has to go and make this same mistake twice!

    The best way to legalize partial birth abortion, marijuana and other drugs, and isolate America from the rest of the world is to vote for any Libertarian – and don’t kid yourself. The Pauls are definitely Libertarian. They just run as Republicans because they know America is smart enough not to elect a Libertarian candidate. Ask Rand Paul TO HIS FACE why he’s running as a Republican, and if he tells you the truth that’s what he’ll tell you. Anything else is an outright lie.

  • kaysersb

    ….how trustworthy is a poll done by a polling firm with no website (Shamrock Polling) for a consulting firm with no website (persistenceconsulting@gmail.com)? I think I’ll error on the side of Rasumssen, SurveyUSA and other firms that have established credibility. Or at least contact info outside of Gmail…

  • Scope

    now we have randbots also.

  • jpniner

    …is what Rand Paul claims to support to give him Pro-Life cred.

    What I linked above shows just how useless it is to the pro-life cause.

  • jpniner

    …is what Rand Paul claims to support to give him Pro-Life cred.

    What I linked above shows just how useless it is to the pro-life cause.

  • jpniner

    at his blog, Libertarain Republican

    http://libertarianrepublican.blogspot.com/2009/12/jihadist-empire-builders-abdulmutallab.html

    —-
    Eric Dondero said…
    William, all I can tell you is that Ron wasn’t that way before 9/11. They guy literally changed over night.

    Hell, I was his campaign coordinator in his first election in 1996. He was a “Bush Texas Republican.”

    The Ron Paul people today don’t like to hear this, but Paul would not be a Congressman today if it wasn’t for the Bush machine in 1996, Karl Rove, Dick Armey and Tom DeLay.

    And years later he’s kicking them all in the teeth.

    Some gratitude the man shows.

    December 30, 2009 2:37 PM
    ———-

  • tcgeol

    I don’t know a lot about either man in the race. If Paul’s positions are legitimately wrong, then let’s hear them and learn why a different candidate should be supported. If the whole problem is because his last name is “Paul”, then this vehement anger shown against him is ludicrous. I see no reason to destroy a son because some people don’t like his father.

  • http://www.hakubi.us/ Neil Stevens

    It’s possible he’s a fellow traveler, but he’s no conservative.

  • http://elendil.schenkenfelder.com bfsche01

    It is a problem that Grayson is tapping into his father’s network of contacts, but it is OK that Paul’s money has come almost exclusively from his father’s contacts?

    Heck the only reason Paul is competitive in this race is his dad’s connections. At least Grayson has been elected to a state wide office before.

    He began his career as a Democrat and that is why he is a moderate. How many Republicans in this state began their career as Democrats? I remember my parents telling me I should register as a Democrat in case I wanted to get a government job so I did. This was long before I became interested in politics and learned the issues. Once I did I quickly switched parties.

    I am tired of being a Grayson cheerleader on this thread, but no one has pointed to anything he has said that will point to him being a moderate. I have been watching what the candidates say on the issues because that is all I can go on at this point. And to be honest the only issue I have seen ANY major difference is on term limits.

    Grayson
    * pro small government
    * pro 2nd amendment
    * pro-life
    * pro lower taxes

    How is he a moderate? All people give is anecdotal evidence to support the moderate stance.

    I am tired of being a Grayson cheerleader because at this point I have no idea who I am going to vote for in the primary. But I am also tired of reading misrepresentations of his political positions.

  • aesthete

    so far, all of the commentators both for and against Rand have used facts to support their candidate.

  • Scope

    that invaded RS after the CPAC all came with all their wads of facts also.

    I’m curious why you seem to follow me around, whenever a Paul is the subject, and always find the need to correct me, whatever I say. I’ve respectfully avoided commenting on your comments, particularly since you felt the need to say I appeared to be a Libertine, which was a true insult. Since you don’t seem to find the need to correct other’s comments, with respect to the Paul’s, Libertarians and etc., I respectfully request you avoid mine.

  • jamesmackey

    From what I understand Eric Dondero is a former disgruntled employee of the Paul campaign. I don’t know, never met the man. But in the 1996 campaign he ran as a Ron Paul Republican. Hard money, limited government, strong defense, and a Robert Taft foreign policy. This is a very very conservative district. In 2002 after redistricting Lamar Smith became my congressman. Haven’t gotten a chance to meet Lamar yet, but I do like him!

  • Aaron Gardner

    He had a fellowship at the Aspen Institute, which is a Soros group.

    He has also been aligned with the environmental group Focus the Nation. Focus the Nation is committed to the environmental agenda that would necessarily kill the coal industry.

    Focus the Nation is a national non-profit headquartered in Portland, Oregon. It was founded in 1999 by professor and economist, Eban Goodstein. We believe in the science of climate change and the opportunity it presents to rebuild American communities and US leadership at the local and international level.

    We are driven by a fierce commitment to empower young people with the leadership, educational and civic engagement opportunities that will accelerate our transformation to a more just and prosperous clean energy future.

    Grayson also initiated a plan while SOS to create a “Cradle to College” system that would ensure everyone got “free college”. This is eerily similar to what Nancy Pelosi proposed.

    Now, those things are on top of the fact that this guy also was a democrat and a supporter of Bill Clinton.

    He doesn’t really look like much of a conservative to me. YMMV

  • aesthete

    Although further investigation has revealed that the kerfuffle over the “racist and Satanic” comm director was incorrect, the knowledge presented leads me to believe that Johnson, while a long-shot, would be the best candidate for KY, and that barring Johnson, Greyson wouldn’t be a bad candidate, either. That said, the argument that Rand Paul and his father are pro-choice holds no water (at least, per your link’s argument), for the following reasons:

    1) To my knowledge, the 14th Amendment, when ratified, did not include the unborn in their definition of “persons”. If you can find anywhere that would indicate that the ratifiers and general populace understood the unborn to be covered under such an act, direct legal precursors indicating such a thing, or a case won using such an argument at that time, I would be glad to take a look and revise my standing vis a vis the 14th accordingly. Barring that, however, originalism dictates that we look at intent and usage at the time of ratification, and claiming that the term “persons”, when it was used in ratification, was used with the unborn in mind, seems as radical a redefinition as claiming that the term extends to primates biologically similar to humans. The Sanctity of Life Act would extend the meaning of “persons” to include the unborn.

    2) This leads to the second critique of the Sanctity of Life Act, which is that the Act allows states to say, “yeah, kill the suckers” regarding the unborn, and that such an allowance would be a violation of the 14th Amendment. This is not quite true: it allows states to create regulation and laws regarding protection of the unborn children in this state, in much the same way that states have differing laws concerning murder, manslaughter, etc. Insofar as the 14th specifies only that deprivation of life must be accompanied by due process of law. It does not specify what this “due process” must be, and varying degrees of murder and manslaughter would indicate that establishing differing levels of severity for deprivation of life is not in and of itself discriminatory.

    I’m not a fan of Ron Paul, and I don’t particularly like the guy. Moreover, I appreciate your informed (if biased) posts on both the Ron Paul campaign and its crappy sequel, Rand: Son of Ron. Rand Paul is pro-life; he is also (on this issue) correct regarding the delegation of powers. That doesn’t make him a good candidate, and there’s a lot of stuff that he can be critiqued for, but this is a stretch, and makes the pro-life movement seem more absolutist than it is. At any rate, if the pro-life movement isn’t inclusive of those with a federalist perspective on the issue, chalk me, and several others (including Fred Thompson) as being on the pro-baby killer side.

  • Brian Hibbert

    And his version of events is a bit different. He said he left because Paul changed. Of course both of them could be right…. Eric was “disgruntled” because Ron Paul became a loon.

  • aesthete

    I would say that you’re an anti-libertine, if anything. I think you have me confused with someone else. I actually do correct many people on many things, and on this very post, you’ll find a reply to jpniner, a poster who I respect and agree with 99% concerning Ron Paul, concerning the Sanctity of Life Act. I replied to you because you labelled kayserbs a randbot due solely to his (her?) candidate affiliation, on a comment which was both substantial and respectful. No-one else on this thread has said the same about another poster, and if they had, I would have written the same thing in reply to their comment.

    I would also say that, no, the post-CPAC ‘bots didn’t come with facts, but with hazy impressions and baseless assertions (). Moreover, some of the ones who seemed informed and reasonable refused to correct their impressions when confronted with facts which definitively opposed their narrative (example: the Constitutionality of the Fed).

    If you want me to comment on your posts less often from now on, I’ll gladly do so, but with the knowledge that I’ve done nothing for which I should be ashamed, or for which you should be aggrieved.

  • http://www.hakubi.us/ Neil Stevens

    Is he disgruntled because Ron Paul turned out to be a whack job though, and if so is that really something to insinuate is a discrediting fact?

  • Michael Dugas

    when they talk about the “out dated” constitution. Abortion is not going to go away as an issue and it SHOULD be left up to the individual states.

  • Dan McLaughlin

    I just have not been able to get comfortable with either candidate at this stage.

  • aesthete

    I’m sure that you put a lot of thought into your endorsement, as well you should, considering your status as an online kingmaker of the Republican party (how awesome is that?). I must, however, disagree with you wrt Rand: while he may not be his father, he shares many of his beliefs and contacts with Dad, and should the “Audit the Fed” movement become more popular, could become a critical vote against the Fed’s continued autonomy at a time when we need it the most.

    First, it should be noted that, while Rand isn’t as isolationist as his father (he supports OEF and broadly supports the War on Terror), he isn’t as strong on the issue as one would prefer, and would not have voted in favor of the Iraq War. I agree with him concerning the Constitutionality of engaging in an extended period of conflict without a formal declaration of war, but his stance concerning the War on Terror is not comprehensive, and to my knowledge, doesn’t address many of the problems facing our efforts in Afghanistan, from Karzai’s corrupt government, to the difficulty of having both an Indian and Pakistani presence in support of our mission (Bush’s team did a great job there, IMO), to what China, Iran, and Russia should be involved with (and how we can get them to get involved), to the non-static nature of the conflict and the spillover into Pakistan. True, most candidates don’t address all of these issues (preferring talking points to coherent policy), but most at least address the first and last of these points. Rand hasn’t, so far, addressed anything but the legal issue, and though he has, fortunately, stated that he will fund our boys regardless of what he thinks of our missions, I can see his pseudo-isolationist and rigid stance as a problem in the multifaceted and multi-actor conflict that is the War on Terror.

    Secondly, and more importantly, his connection to the Bircher society and conspiracy groups worries me. None of our candidates should be wasting their time on such frivolities, and the extent of Rand’s ties to such groups would make JD Hayworth green with envy. While I understand that he won’t be releasing a strongly-worded single condemning the nuts, and that he can’t prevent people from supporting him, his campaign seems to lend itself towards being co-opted by such groups too often for its own good.

    Again, I see where you’re coming from, and I like the Pauls’ commitment to less spending (even if Ron’s an insufferably pompous do-nothing jerk when it comes to a realization of said commitment), but I think (and it takes a lot for me to say this) that their small governmentalism is outweighed by their opposition to the Fed, their connection to fringe and undesirable elements, and their lack of accomplishments.

  • Aaron Gardner

    But, at least the fringe groups he is associated with are in general support of liberty. Grayson, on the other hand, is connected to Soros groups and environmental groups of the left*.

    There isn’t really a candidate I love in this race, but there is a candidate I surely don’t like, or trust.

    * I already typed out a long comment with sources. I don’t want to reproduce it here so I will just ink it.

  • http://impudent.blognation.us/blog kyle8

    something that escaped from out of the progressive Id. He is like the incarnate chakra of their collective hate and stupidity.

  • aesthete

    I hate commenting on other state’s races, as I always feel that there’s some background info that I’m missing. It’s a situation that is somewhat similar to the JD vs. McCain Senate race, with the exception that both candidates are viable in KY: one would probably vote more conservatively, but has negative fringe connections and would, overall, be an embarrassment for the movement he associates himself with, and the other has dubious connections to the left and the “establishment”, and appears to be bereft of a core philosophy to guide his actions and votes. If I were Erick, it definitely wouldn’t be an easy endorsement for me either way.

    Also, thanks for the linkage; I knew about the Focus on the Nation stuff, but not the cradle-to-grave government program or the Soros connection; that does change quite a bit for me.

  • Aaron Gardner

    Then I found this nice little website that actually sources everything it say about Grayson. Revealing.

  • kaysersb

    The difference in comparing Rand Paul and Trey Grayson tapping into their fathers’ fundraising contacts is that Ron Pauls supporters are generally Republicans or Libertarians; Grayson’s are Democrats. I would have just as much an issue with Rand Paul’s campaign were it being funded by Democrats, but it is not. No, I do not support the entire Libertarian platform, but I find a lot more to support in theirs than I do in the Democrat’s. Also, compare the size of donations. Grayson is chalking up a lot of high-dollar donors, while Paul’s support is more heavily weighted toward small donors.

    From Politico:
    Rand Paul currently holds a cash advantage over GOP-establishment-backed Secretary of State Trey Grayson, who raised just $98,855 from small donors in 2009. While Grayson began 2010 with $1,117,655 cash on hand, Paul started with $1,304,190 ? nearly $1 million of which came from contributions of less than $200.
    http://www.politico.com/news/stories/0210/33313.html

    And you may have registered Democrat, but did you talk up the fact that you voted for Bill Clinton? I will not begrudge anyone for experiencing a change of heart – political ideology is a very personal thing that should not be dealt with lightly. I am simply trying to point out that, as a former Democrat, you have to do a better job proving your committment to the cause than to simply say “I believe, and my opponent sucks.” I am not asking for him to storm the Fed and start burning greenbacks, but some full-throated unapologetic proselytizing for the conservative movement would be nice.

    I will concede I’m new to Bluegrass politics – we moved here in Dec 06. But I have been around long enough to know that I like what I see in Rand Paul. I started this race out solidly in the bag for Grayson, for lack of knowledge of any other candidates. The more I got to know Rand Paul, the better I liked his candidacy. He may be more Libertarian than most in Washington these days but, honestly, is that a bad thing? Given the complicity of Washington Republicans in the growth of government (DHS, expansion of the bureacracy, Medicare part D), I think it makes perfect sense to send someone who is opposed to the further expansion of government to shake things up. We already have a committed earmarker in the Senate. What we need is a committed reformer.

  • kaysersb

    I have no vested interest in the race outside the fact that I am supporting Rand in the primary. I did not support Ron Paul in 2008 (although I did enjoy having him around for comic relief), and I would not support Ron Paul were he running for Senate. I agree with some of his policies, there are a great many that do not sit well with me. Honestly, I have the same opinion of a lot of Ron Paul’s zealous followers – they seem to be loyal to a fault, blind to any flaws in their candidate, and usually extremely anti-social. I am surprised as any that I feel this passionately about a Paul but, compared with the alternatives in this race, I am 100% unequivocally for Rand Paul. He is not his father, and he is trying to define himself in this race. Rather than tie the fringe elemnts of his father’s movement around his neck, we should allow him to explain himself to the electorate and bear the consequences.

  • Bill

    Abortion is flat out wrong! God will take care of all this at Judgment Day and we are not to judge others here on Earth. If a candidate will vote to stop Taxpayer Funding of Abortion on the Federal or State Level, I’m with him/her on that issue. However, it this time of economic crisis and the viable survival of the USA as a country, I am certainly not a “one issue voter”. Stop Spending and Stop Taxing and get the government out of my life and I’m with you. You have to be able to say what you mean and then act on what you say you believe. As Reagan said, “trust but verify”. I’m not very trusting of any incumbent D or R at this point in time…

  • Bill

    Mitch McConnell is a Pinhead who has no leadership skills and should be a far back bencher in the GOP caucus of the US Senate. Thank You.

  • suej

    I live in Kentucky. I have for almost 40 years.

    Last year I was, and still am very involved in the tea party movement of 2009. I attended them, I sponsored them and town halls, and I held my home made signs and protested all the vile actions spewing out of Washington, as the Obama team works to destroy our country.

    I’ve seen the Senate race coming from the start. I saw wicked Mitch (porky) McConnell nudging Jim Bunning to the exit door. And I saw the two candidates you mention in your piece making their way to the primary election. We’ve have Grayson, liberal lite, career politician, patroned by Mitch McConnell, and we have Rand Paul, son of Ron who said at the begining of his campaign, “I know that third party candidates can?t win in KY. Although I?m a libertarian at heart, I?ve decided to run as a Republican. Once I win I?ll be able to promote my father?s principles and work towards reforming the Republican party.”

    I was none too thrilled about either candidate frankly. In spite of what you may think of Rand Paul, I’ve had the pleasure of witnessing him campaign on the ground, and believe me it’s plays a whole lot different here!

    In January I read an article mentioning Bill Johnson, who was also running for the Senate seat, and my interest was peeked. I went to his website, http://kentuckybill.com and I was excited by what I read. He’s a life long Reagan Republican. A conservative who speaks to so much of what Tea Party activists have been looking for in candidates. No big money funded politician, Bill Johnson used $250,000 of his own life savings and retirement to risk it on a run for the Senate, NOT to become a career politician (he has pledged that he will not serve more than two terms), but because he wants to make a difference and defend America from all foes both foreign and domestic!

    To me, the fact that Bill risked his own money, spoke volumes about his character, his integrity and his desire to step forward and serve his State and Country again.. I was thrilled to see this grassroots guy in the race. It gave me hope that conservatives would see this man and rally round him. That the candidates with ties to big money, and politics would not be able to buy the vote, like so many votes before in our country. I hoped that conservatives like YOU Erick, would take the time to look through all the yada, yada of the campaign as usual, and focus on the very sort of person that we really need in Washington.

    You readily admit that Ron Paul gives you pause. Well Erick, I ask you to look closer at the Rand beneath the cloak. See how many YouTube videos have Rand sitting comfortably chatting with Alex Jones, and tell me that he’s different than his dad. I blog about the race in Kentucky every day. One of a growing number hoping to get someone to just look closer. Pleas check my blog posts about Rand, and tell me where I’m wrong….

    http://conservativekygal.blogspot.com/2010/01/rand-paulthe-cloaked-candidate.html

    http://conservativekygal.blogspot.com/2010/01/why-is-scott-browns-win-in.html

    http://conservativekygal.blogspot.com/2010/01/rand-paul-experiences-tea-party.html

    Thank you Erick. God bless you.

  • suej

    with you on two points. First off, if any of the candidates here in Kentucky are acting “eletist” it is definately Rand. I have my own personal experience with him from a tea party I threw in Frankfort last May where I first witnessed such behavior.

    He told the folks at the Oldham Co. Lincoln Day Dinner he was at just tonight…

    “I?d like to say that I?m happy to be here but the fact is that I?d prefer to be back at home with my family and that its been a it?s a real grind to have to go to all these LDD?s.”

    Is that the sort of attitude we want in our Representatives?! This isn’t the first time that the Prince of Paul Kingdom showed his petulance over having to campaign either. You can read the saga here:

    http://conservativekygal.blogspot.com/2010/02/king-who-would-be-senator.html

    Secondly, if Bill Johnson is not included in the polls being done, you can’t determine how “viable” of a candidate he is. Rand Paul supporters have been refering to a 2% poll finding for Johnson the first week of November in 2009. He’s been left out of all polls since so your assertion is spurious!

  • suej

    even a Kentuckian? If not, then what is your vested interest? I am a Kentuckian, and I can show you how wrong you are about Rand.

  • suej

    On what your meaning of “facts” is. Oh yeah, Kentucky’s got Randbots. And how!

  • jfindl2

    It said he gave a keynote address to a Kentucky University on the subject of climate change. Is there any record about what he said at the keynote address? I’m not going to damn him for speaking at an event b/c it was sponsored by a climate change lobby group until I know what he said.

  • suej

    said at the start of his campaign…” “I know that third party candidates can?t win in KY. Although I?m a libertarian at heart, I?ve decided to run as a Republican. Once I win I?ll be able to promote my father?s principles and work towards reforming the Republican party.”

    Clearly Erick, in his own words, he disagrees with your statement:
    “He is not his father and I will not heap my issues with his father on his head.”

    Erick, if you lived in Kentucky, I think you’d be paying closer attention to Rand and you’d retract your endorsement.

  • http://www.hakubi.us/ Neil Stevens

    “God will take care of it” is not a valid way to say something is less important.

    How would you like it of people said your issues were unimportant for that reason?

  • http://www.hakubi.us/ Neil Stevens

    When you put money above all else, that’s greed.

  • KYBlue

    Erick,
    Everyone is entitled to make a mistake. Today is your day.
    Despite what you know about Rand Paul you took a chance. That’s fine. It doesn’t pass the sniff test, though.
    Bil Johnson is rattling both Paul and Grayson, for good reason.
    Just keep watching KY. Inevitably you’ll want to feature Johnson. I won’t try to change your endorsement. Bill will tdo it just fine.
    He’s hot, Erick. Look closely at him. He’s the American story kid’s look up to and adults hold condfidence in.

  • KYBlue

    http://genuinegopmom.blogspot.com/2010/03/kentucky-tea-party-organizer-responds.html

    Words from inside KY.

  • KYBlue

    http://genuinegopmom.blogspot.com/2010/03/kentucky-tea-party-organizer-responds.html

    Words from inside KY.

  • aesthete

    For both my benefit and the benefit of the RS community. I have no vested interest in either of the two candidates, and have explicitly mentioned in the past my desire to hear from Kentuckians on the race (not really a fan of Ron’s). As far as I can see, the Kentuckians on RS are divided between Greyson and Paul, and all like Johnson, but don’t see him winning. The only purpose in my comment was to point out that, in this particular thread, the supporters for both candidates have legitimate reasons for supporting their candidates, and that there don’t appear to be any ‘bots for either side.

    I also don’t think, as some apparently do, that a Federalist application of pro-life principles is either immoral or unConstitutional, as some appear to in their attacks of the Sanctity of Life Act. I particularly have qualms with those who call such individuals “pro-choice”, and would say that such a distinction would be a shock to conservatives like Fred Thompson, who are staunchly pro-life and Federalist.

  • KYBlue

    As an active participant in national security matters, I will reiterate my personal assessment of Rand Paul?s fitness to serve as a United States Senator. Based upon my knowledge and assessments his character, demeaner, and conduct since last May, I believe Rand Paul is incapable of properly and responsibly serving the best interests of the nation and Kentucky.
    I call upon Rand Paul to end his campaign forthwith and with all personal humility.
    Failure to responsibly terminate his fatally flawed candidacy will invariably result in two things.
    First, the Democrats want the open Senate seat and will spare no quarter in the general election to win it. The Herald-Leader and Courier-Journal will publish every bit of Ron and Rand Paul?s ties to Stormfront, David Duke, Campaign for Liberty, Liberty Tree and Liberty Forest as well as the ammo and fodder he is providing to be used against him daily. It will be a political shark feeding frenzy he will not be able to withstand.
    He will lose.
    This is why they are building him up as a media ?darling? in the primary. They are, by the way, the liberal, progressive media setting up their ?darling? for later sacrifice.
    Get it? Got it? Good!
    Secondly, he will consequently flush in excess of $2 million of others? money.
    Dr. Paul, Kentucky is owed the dignity and respect of an respectable Senate Republican race between honorable candidates Johnson and Grayson.
    Your supporters, your staff, and you are solely responsible for tragically conducting an incompetent and self-centered, megalomanic, and delusional campaign.
    It?s never been about you, Rand Paul. It?s always been about the Commonwealth and the national interests, the people?s business and the uncertain future of our families.
    You chose to make it about you, Rand, all about you. Only about you.
    As a result, you have irrevokably breeched the public trust.
    That, Rand Paul, is inexcuseable. You have forfitted your opportunity.
    At least you?ll have a lucrative job to return to.

  • KYBlue

    As an active participant in national security matters, I will reiterate my personal assessment of Rand Paul?s fitness to serve as a United States Senator. Based upon my knowledge and assessments his character, demeaner, and conduct since last May, I believe Rand Paul is incapable of properly and responsibly serving the best interests of the nation and Kentucky.
    I call upon Rand Paul to end his campaign forthwith and with all personal humility.
    Failure to responsibly terminate his fatally flawed candidacy will invariably result in two things.
    First, the Democrats want the open Senate seat and will spare no quarter in the general election to win it. The Herald-Leader and Courier-Journal will publish every bit of Ron and Rand Paul?s ties to Stormfront, David Duke, Campaign for Liberty, Liberty Tree and Liberty Forest as well as the ammo and fodder he is providing to be used against him daily. It will be a political shark feeding frenzy he will not be able to withstand.
    He will lose.
    This is why they are building him up as a media ?darling? in the primary. They are, by the way, the liberal, progressive media setting up their ?darling? for later sacrifice.
    Get it? Got it? Good!
    Secondly, he will consequently flush in excess of $2 million of others? money.
    Dr. Paul, Kentucky is owed the dignity and respect of an respectable Senate Republican race between honorable candidates Johnson and Grayson.
    Your supporters, your staff, and you are solely responsible for tragically conducting an incompetent and self-centered, megalomanic, and delusional campaign.
    It?s never been about you, Rand Paul. It?s always been about the Commonwealth and the national interests, the people?s business and the uncertain future of our families.
    You chose to make it about you, Rand, all about you. Only about you.
    As a result, you have irrevokably breeched the public trust.
    That, Rand Paul, is inexcuseable. You have forfitted your opportunity.
    At least you?ll have a lucrative job to return to.

  • suej

    then you haven’t been “following the race closely” as you claim. Bill Johnson is a viable contender in this race, and you have failed to mention that. I hope you’ll check him out at http://kentuckybill.com

  • suej

    Yes, it’s true that Johnson doesn’t have the big bankroll. But there’s no reason why he wouldn’t if genuine conservatives would step up and endorse him. Look at the NY 23 race and Scott Brown, both grew to meteoric proportions once word about them hit the conservative grape vine.

    It is so disheartening to me to read your comments, deffering to candidates based on their bankroll, rather than how closely they will represent true conservatism.

    Even Erick’s endorsement of Rand Paul is faulty on it’s face, because I know, based on what he says that he truly has not investigated Rand’s positions and looked closely at what’s happening on the ground here in Kentucky.

    I blogged about this very thing last week, wondering if Kentucky will go to the highest bidder? http://bit.ly/aIruGQ

    Well, if your attitude is an indicator, the concept of “conservative” is just a pipe dream, easily traded in the political market for big chunks o’ green!

    Red state? Not so much.

  • suej

    In principles of liberty and smaller government, no. But that’s where it ends. Yes, it’s a bad, and dangerous thing. And Kentucky doesn’t need the Campaign for Liberty forest camped out in Washington for the next eon.

    I don’t believe for a minute that Rand would not become a ‘career politician’, given the opportunity. He is just like his Dad and has promised that he would represent his kooky principles if elected.
    “I know that third party candidates can?t win in KY. Although I?m a libertarian at heart, I?ve decided to run as a Republican. Once I win I?ll be able to promote my father?s principles and work towards reforming the Republican party.? – Rand Paul, 2009

  • suej

    about a lot!

    “I know that third party candidates can?t win in KY. Although I?m a libertarian at heart, I?ve decided to run as a Republican. Once I win I?ll be able to promote my father?s principles and work towards reforming the Republican party.?

    Notice that Erick has reservations about Ron Paul, and references his association with Alex Jones. BUT he seems to have failed to notice all the interviews that Rand has done with Alex…including about his race for the Senate.

  • suej

    In my blog http://conservativekygal.blogspot.com I wrote about Rand being the “cloaked candidate”. He entered the race as a Republican, while admitting that he is “libertarian at heart”, and once elected he will represent his “father’s principles” and work to change the GOP.

    His father’s principles? Is that what Red State wants to see in the GOP? Hardly!

    Rand knows that he needs to cloak the truth in order to get elected, as he demonstrates in an interview with Alex Jones….

    Alex Jones: “You’re basically what I would call a chip off the old block. Your policies are basically identical to your father, correct?”

    Rand Paul: “I’d say we’d be very very similar. We might present the message sometimes differently.. I think in some ways the message has to be broadened and made more appealing to the entire Republican electorate because you have to win a primary.”

    Rand Paul on Alex Jones, 5/21/09

  • suej

    and it is a point that Paulers will go on and on about until one or both of you has passed out. They will NOT see the scope of the whole issue.

  • suej

    because it’s a Paulbot strategy.

  • suej

    And you claim that you’re new to Kentucky politics and just happened to hear about Rand Paul. This comment indicates you’re more involved with Campaign for Liberty than you let on. This is the exact meme distributed on blogs and forums everywhere by Randbots.

  • suej

    Well, you should!

    ?I know that third party candidates can?t win in KY. Although I?m a libertarian at heart, I?ve decided to run as a Republican. Once I win I?ll be able to promote my father?s principles and work towards reforming the Republican party.? – Rand Paul, 2009

    Now that should be a troubling sign!

  • suej

    Out of the park observations! Well stated, and concise.
    Kudos

  • suej

    Aaron…your liberty tree leaves are showing.

  • Aaron Gardner
  • http://slcliberty.blogivists.com randy streu

    Redhot contributor and all that?

    disagreeing with you doesn’t make somebody a bot, dear.

  • kaysersb

    A) Why do you repeatedly question whether or not commenters live in the Commonwealth? Do we need to submit a copy of our license or voting registration to prove that our opinions matter? I am a Kentuckian, as I have been since Dec 06 (as referenced in a previous post on which you commented).

    B) Your tacticts seem remarkably akin to the Paulbots and Campaigners for Liberty that you seem to dislike so much. You continue to argue circular logic, never winning on a cogent point but rather repeating trite points and one-liners. I think posting Dr. Paul’s quote about third-party viability once was sufficient, twice was driving the point home, thrice and beyond is just annoying.

    C) Mr. Johnson is a nice guy. I met him at the Shelby County (KENTUCKY) Lincoln Day Dinner. He is extremely personable, seems to share many of my views and is fighting to ahve his voice heard. I can respect that but, at this juncture, supporting him is tantamount to voting for Grayson. Bill Johnson is more likely to siphon votes from Rand Paul than from Trey Grayson, which would allow Grayson to sqeauk out a victory. If the electoral landscape changes significantly enough to knock Grayson out of the running, I would be amenable to hearing Bill out and reconsidering my support. Until then, I do not consider him a viable candidate nor do I see him running a competitive general election. Grayson and Paul are both leading their Democratic opponents, but not by wide enough margins to assume the Republican will win regardless. Dr. Paul has developed the infrastructure necessary to win. He did so starting out from the same position of obscurity as Bill Johnson. The difference is Rand has beaten the pavement to get his name out there and found a niche in the campaign that is carrying him forward. I know – you’ll attribute it all to his father and his network of supporters but, the fact is, none of that would matter if Rand Paul did not work and fight for where he is. Not only is he fending off attacks from Trey Grayson and a complicit party establishment, but Bill Johnson has joing Grayson in hopes of tearing down Dr. Paul. I’d rather see him run on the issues than run as the anti-Paul.

  • kaysersb

    …can generally afford to commission their own polls. They’re called ‘internals’ and nearly all campaigns have them. I realize Johnson’s website touts a poll showing him on even keel with Paul and Grayson but I have to question its findings given that I cannot find any information about the polling firm that conducted it or the consulting firm that commissioned it. Given the generic names of the firms involved, the fact that the only contact information included is a gmail address and the underlying methodology of the poll seems to be seriously flawed, I have to discount that poll as irrellevant. As this thread has eveloved, so too has my opinion of his campaign. Initially I perceived him as the dilligent underdog fighting to gain traction. Thanks to posts such as yours, I now picture him more as the kid in the campaign whining because the grown-ups won’t share their toys. I still like Bill, and will not factor the comments here in my opinion of him or his campaign as I do not know if you represent his opinion. (Are you paid staff? Shouldn’t you have to defend your credibility if the rest of us must justify ours?)

    Also – I like how you are begrudging Rand Paul for wanting to spend time with his family. We have 120 counties. He has been to almost 30 LDD’s. That is exhausting in and of itself. Add to that the fact that he is also running a successful business and employing fellow Kentuckians, and he has a lot on his plate. He’s allowed to be tired. He may not have worded it the best, but he is human. At least he is honest enough to come out and say he it.

  • kaysersb

    This is the last time I will respond to your incessant questioning of my motives. I have no involvement in the Campaign for Liberty. I have no formal relationship with Rand Paul. I am simply voicing my conscience in defense of the candidate I chose. Just because I happen to have worked on a congressional campaign, currently work for a firm that occassionaly does polling and happen to be suspicious of a poll that has no backup documentation (where are the cross tabs? where is the underlying data? what is the demographic breakdown of those polled?) I am tired of having to defend my opinion because it does not pass muster in your eyes, I am assuming you work for Bill Johnson, given that you seem to suspect everyone else of working for Rand Paul.

    Your whole argument seems to center around your paranoid fear of Ron Paul supporters, and the fact that Rand Paul snubbed you at your tea party. To the first I would say – if you imagine there are enemies lurking in the shadows waiting to subvert you and your candidate, then you have far exceeded teh PaulBots in your disconnect from reality. Paranoia ultimately becomes a self-fulfilling property, as your paranoia seems to be garnering some genuine opposition on this page. To the second I wil say, get over it. Don’t vote for him, don’t support him, but come up with something more than he was mean to me and he is a Libertarian to oppose him.

    By the way, Sue, did you know Rand Paul said the following in 2009:

    ?I know that third party candidates can?t win in KY. Although I?m a libertarian at heart, I?ve decided to run as a Republican. Once I win I?ll be able to promote my father?s principles and work towards reforming the Republican party.?

    I’d also point to the difference between principles and policies – I can support my father’s principles with drastically different policies and achieve a drastically different result. Continue attacking him for his father and you will see the *real* Paulbots descend on this page. Until then, keep accusing your fellow voters of being mindless sheeple. That will help bring support to your candidate.

  • eburke

    So…where’ve you been hiding the tin foil hat, you sneaky devil you!

  • Aaron Gardner
  • eburke

    donations you made to Paul’s 2008 presidential run.

  • aesthete

    Don’t you know that the place that you hide your pot should *never* be the same as the place you hide your tinfoil hat? Why, with such a large quantity of anti-government items in one place, one wonders why the black helicopters haven’t descended upon your stash already. Unless they’re using you to weed out other sympathizers…

  • constitutionalconservative

    It is really encouraging to see your integrity on this issue, especially given the childish name-calling that some others on this forum engage in whenever Ron or Rand Paul’s name comes up.

    When I read a post like this it makes me think that RedState is interested in a conservative “big tent” that people like myself can feel welcome in.

    Your example of Bunning’s vote is an outstanding one and gets to the heart of the issue. Whatever our disagreements on Rand Paul’s policy positions, he would not be afraid to go to the Senate and support a strong, conservative policy position even in the wake of huge heat from the liberals and the Washington Republican establishment Trey Grayson, as you have correctly noted, would simply be McConnell’s lapdog and errand boy. We don’t need another faux-conservative errand boy in the Senate.

    We need more people like Jim Bunning, Jim DeMint and Rand Paul.

  • suej

    That “little website” Aaron provided a link to was compiled by Campaign for Liberty/Liberty Tree/Paul supporters. I’ve seen it referenced by nearly everyone of them I encounter.

    If you ain’t a bot Aaron, then good for you!

  • Aaron Gardner

    All you are doing is attacking the messenger.

    You will notice that even though that site tipped me off to connections that Grayson has, I didn’t use the site as the sole reference, just a starting point.

    The stuff that appears at the site is all sourced from other sites.

    Just because someone from C4L compiled a list of things about Grayson doesn’t make them untrue.

    You are the one acting like a reactionary bot.

  • http://slcliberty.blogivists.com randy streu

    The information was sourced. Who cares who compiled it?

  • nkyguy

    Thank you for keeping an open mind and not jumping to conclusions about Dr. Paul. I’ve known Rand for quite some time and he is really a good, decent, strong willed person. I don’t think he was really ready to run for office, but he feels like he has a duty to help restore our country to a saner budget and start reducing debt. I think he’ll be a great advocate for talking about the things our founders held dear, and I think that alone is almost enough reason to vote for him. He can re-frame the debate from the current Progressive Left and Progressive Right to a true Conservative vs Progressive debate. I may not agree with him 100% on everything, but I’m pretty sure I’ve never met a candidate I DO agree with 100% on. I’ll take 98% any day. As I live in KY and am a life-long registered Republican. I take pride in knowing that my vote this year for Senate won’t be the lesser of two evils. It will truly be for a great man who will fight for our freedoms and liberty.

  • KYBlue

    Character is the defining indicator in a candidate for me. When Paul told me he was Libertarian at heart but, knowing he could not win as a third party candidate, he was going to run as a Republican and after winning he and his father would resform the GOP using Libertarian principles, I lost any possible respect for the man.
    No principles, no respect.

  • The_Gadfly
  • http://oceanslicentia.blogspot.com/ daniocean

    “If you analyze it I believe the very heart and soul of conservatism is libertarianism. I think conservatism is really a misnomer just as liberalism is a misnomer for the liberals?if we were back in the days of the Revolution, so-called conservatives today would be the Liberals and the liberals would be the Tories. The basis of conservatism is a desire for less government interference or less centralized authority or more individual freedom and this is a pretty general description also of what libertarianism is.”

    Since I am not a Kentuckian I can’t comment on who is better since I know nothing about Dr. Paul, or Bill Johnson. Trey Grayson on the other hand is progressive and this is the only thing I need to know in order to dislike him.
    I am generally libertarian leaning, so if Rand Paul support a strong national defense I am all for him. This was my biggest problem with his father. Also I herd that Rand Paul supports Sen. DeMint and pledged he will work with him in Senate. This statement alone is enough to support a candidate.

  • streiff

    I think that is Martian history. The “religious right” didn’t sweep in, they had been the core of the GOP since 1964 or 1968. It is where people of faith found a home in the tumult of those times. Because of the changes that took place during those times and following, more run of the mill Republicans started voting their faith. The difference is what you are advocating is a fringe political philosophy joining the GOP to try to take over the GOP. I won’t vote for a libertarian regardless of which ticket he runs on, and I’m not alone.