Come What May

SteveM

Another thing to do is start supporting the opponents of these so-called Blue Dogs. Let’s make Stupak the poster boy for what happens when you defy the will of the people. Here’s his opponent’s Facebook page:

http://www.facebook.com/group.php?gid=287806148754

He’s gone from 300 to over 6k group members and climbing in the last few hours. He’d be an excellent candidate to consider dropping a money bomb on, pending vetting.

Stan(ley) Pruss

I want to support conservatives who can win primaries. Please do another summary of conservative primary candidates we can elect who will really support killing this after Nov. Sorry for the threadjack, but givning some more money is all I can do.

blaze422

any schmuck sign it…Bob Bennett (Utah) has already signed on.

BTW…Lindsey Graham better hold to his pledge to be un-cooperative with shutting down Gitmo and working on Immigration.

Also, Orin Hatch had better grown a f’in spine

earthmover

That sounds good on its surface, but the only way we can do that is with a Republican in the White House. Do people have a long enough attention span to hang on to that idea for three more years?

Thanks for providing ideas for a way forward, Erick. I’m just not sure how realistic it is.

ciscoguy

My time and bank account is ready to go.

ciscoguy

My time and bank account is ready to go.

TxCon

just for the abortion language? It would be more effective if it does.

http://moelane.com/ Moe Lane

You’re assigning conditions to victory, thus shutting down avenues to achieving that victory before you even start.

Begin fresh. Throw everything out. Start from zero.

davidmadeira

…for pro-life provisions – caught on tape last Oct? – http://www.madeiraforcongress.com/media/video/319

David123

Now before anyone goes whoosh or worse – hear me out.

I know “Elections have consequences” – heard that a lot in fact. Thing is, two of the things I remember about the election of 2008 were that John McCain was in favor of taxing so-called “Cadilac Health Plans” and Barack Obama was against it. The other thing I remember is that if you made less than $250,000/yr and Barack Obama was elected your taxes would NOT go up.

Seems to me this Senate HCR bill language is going to tax so-called “Cadilac Health Plans” and it’s going to increase taxes on people who make less than $250,000/yr if they don’t buy some type of “approved” health insurance. So that seems like at least two reasons why President Obama should veto this bill.

Now, I’m not in the market for the Brooklyn bridge and I’m not holding my breath waiting for Barack Obama to veto this thing, but …

if he signs it it seems to me he’s just created his very George Bush Sr. “Read my lips moment”

fpete13527

I Especially appreciate the second

RINOs must be exstensively monitored and blasted

tngal

Ads need to start slowly beginning tomorrow and build up through the Nov election. The drop down but continue to trickle thru June 2011, then pick back up hot an dhevy again.

No escape from their mistakes.

kewgardens

Realistically only can work if the GOP proposes the exact Senate bill WORD for WORD PLUS the Stupak language.

That would (hopefully) force the Stupak half dozen to support the motion — what is their excuse? Along with the GOP and the hardcore Dem no’s, the motion could, emphasis could, get 216 votes.

But the GOP has to swallow its pride here and not include any other changes to the Senate bill in the motion. I don’t think they will be willing to do that.

earthmover

that I’m not sure what you were trying to say. Is the condition I’m assigning to victory regaining the WH? If so, what avenue can we leave open that would allow total repeal with a Dem President?

If the condition I’m assigning to victory is that people have to hang on with us for three years, I’m all for seeing the best in people and standing firm with long-term beliefs and principles, but shouldn’t we go with the most realistic possibilities, rather than just hoping that all the conditions will fall in our favor?

I don’t mean to pick a fight, as I’m not completely sure what you were getting at, but I think we need to have an honest discussion about what is really the best way to go rather than just what sounds good.

Ausonius

…against all those so-called “pro-life” or “fiscally conservative” Dems, and they just cannot find it in themselves to defend basic morality and logic.

As has been predicted, a mainly white Dem Congress will NOT let MAObama go away from this as if a failure has occurred. Something will pass, because the FIRST AFRO-AMERICAN prez cannot fail!

Even when he does!

Mr. Erickson: Point #1 must be trumpeted daily, along with a plan easily understood and summarized to replace Hell-th Care a la MAObama.

Chris Wallace was repeating the latest line from the pessimists this morning (playing Devil’s Advocate, I hope) in talking to Paul Ryan: It can never be repealed, because once Americans get entitlements they don’t want to give them up.

We know that this pessimism is wrong in various ways for this bill: the taxes arrive first before any “entitlement payments” show up. And Americans see how this will cause long-term bankruptcy, which is why nearly 3/5 of us say NO!

40 years in the political wilderness for the Dems is what we hope for!
Perhaps we have one last chance to preserve American exceptionalism and independence: otherwise the light on that hill will be extinguished forever, thanks to BIG BRObama and the Dems deliberately cutting the power.

http://manythings.blogtownhall.com/ egbegb

The best way to neuter this bill is to pass another bill that empowers individuals to solve their own health care problems.

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Individuals can establish their own health savings accounts funded with pre-tax dollars and use the money to pay doctors, hospitals and labs directly. Individuals who make this choice are relieved of any responsibility to contribute to any national health care plans whatever for the life of their health savings account.
If an individual elects this option, should his health savings account become overdrawn, the U.S. Government will cover the overdraft. The individual is required to repay the account.
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This is a one page bill. No funding of any health care bill should be permitted to exit the HOUSE if this bill is not passed.

NeoKong

Medicare and Social Security had quite a bit of bi-partisan support and wasn’t sleazed into law. Dems are going to get wiped out in November. It will be a political bloodbath.
You need to keep in mind what happened in Massachusetts with Scott Brown.
His election was a direct result of what happens when the voters got to weigh in on this health care scam and weigh in we will in November.
That is one vote the Dems can’t bribe or deem or delay or control.
They had their little orgy of unchecked arrogance and power tonight but it will not stand.
In November they will pay the piper.

fpete13527

For second one meant to say ruthlessness is critical but MUST watch RINOs who will claim tough then go McCain/Huffington

David123

that allows Peter Singer ,or a fellow-traveler, to decide whether I’m going to get medical care.

earthmover

but I have yet to hear a reasonable explanation of how we can get this repealed, unless the courts step in in a way that is extremely unusual.

To repeal through the legislative process means that in 2013 we will hold the WH, the House, and the Senate and that immediately following inauguration the new GOP president and Congress will begin the repealing process. That’s a wonderful idea, and I’m all for trying as hard as we possibly can, but how realistic is it?

It doesn’t seem very likely, but maybe I’m just a pessimist.

wallahi

…and before we purge the RINOs, I think it’s worth noting that it would have been awfully helpful if we had had the votes of Specter and Dierdre Scozzafava to help stop this bill, loathsome RINO creatures though they are.

C.S. McCoy

It’s our job to make them remember.

Every time an insurance company raises it’s premiums, we’ll tell them why. Every time a hospital decides to drop Medicare patients, we’ll tell them why. Doctors retiring? We know who to blame. Anything bad that happens regarding the health care industry we will pin on this bill.

We can even extend it to the entire economy. If it stays even relatively stagnant we can blame it on the tax hikes. Ditto for unemployment. If a company like caterpillar has to lay off workers because of the increased medical costs then we will make it known. Heck, there have even been some rumblings that the stock market might take a big hit tomorrow. I don’t claim to be able to predict what direction the market will go in, but if it goes down by a sizable figure, we know who to blame. That would be some quick cause and effect for everyone to see while passage of this law is still fresh.

The nice thing about a law that affects 1/6 of the economy is that it naturally affects so many aspects of our lives. Everything that goes poorly can be blamed on this bill. Even if it’s not the culprit, we can constantly put the proponents of it on the defensive, and that’s not going to be easy to fight back against.

Our job is to connect the dots whenever possible. We’ll be helped by the legal battles, as well.

walter_hanson

You missed the major point. If the bill is sent back to the Senate the fillibuster is back in play. That will kill the bill. Mind you these so called prolife Democrats will not vote to recommit and adopt their new prochoice status.

Walter Hanson
Minneapolis, MN

http://moelane.com/ Moe Lane

You’ve already conceded in your own head that the situation can’t be changed until at least 2013. I can’t fix that for you.

walter_hanson

There is one way to repeal any entitlement goodie you’re talking about. We run out of money and stop paying them. Unfortunately this bill will help cause it.

Walter Hanson
Minneapolis, MN

earthmover

I would love to be persuaded. I want to believe it can be. My mind is open. You could at least try.

jaykali

it would be interesting to see if a republican led house could cripple the legislation through defunding it somehow.

i think the well is officially poisoned, i don’t exactly know how things are going to be the rest of the year and then in a new congress but i think things are going to get extremely nasty.

http://erickbrockway.wordpress.com/ Erick Brockway

…until it’s repealed and give it the heck back immediately.

OccamsRazor

Bring It On. I’ll Never Surrender What has been Ordained Only by God-not the state. To do anything else, would be an affront to Him.

Next Please.

partyof1

the biggest betrayal of all:

But we don’t want to put adults in a situation in which, on the front end, we are mandating them, we are forcing them to purchase insurance

http://www.ontheissues.org/Social/Barack_Obama_Health_Care.htm

Search that page for “mandate” and “force”. He said it over and over and over. He called special attention to it. He went out of his way to stand up loud and proud against mandates.

And where is the media on such a blatant betrayal?

discerningconservative

I’m with you. I’m ready.

smitch61

Needed to be here with all of you. I will continue to fight, but I am just absolutely sickened by this.

janis

out of your head first? Why should anyone here take the time to hold your hand and calm your fears? Grow up and think about it on your own for a while. Go around the net and do some reading from different sites. National Review, Heritage Foundation, RealClearPolitics, Powerline…… in other words, don’t be such a helpless ninny.

And don’t be such a defeatist. We don’t need it.

alchemist17

I would greatly prefer to be able to count on a political victory here, and I will do everything I can to support this in 2010 and 2012. But I would also serve notice to the Democrats – you are pushing me to the point where my resistance will no longer be limited to the political sphere. I am sick and tired of a legislature that considers my God-given and Constitutionally-affirmed rights to be nothing more than speed bumps to be thrown away for the social justice flavor of the week, and a Court too interested in penumbras and emanations to uphold a straightforward document.

I am one of those who does not consider the current government to have the consent of the governed, and who considers the Federal government as the primary risk to the rights of all Americans. I still hold out hope that a political solution may win the day, but if it does not, I would rather see the trouble of Securing new Guards for our future security come in my time, that my children might be spared the cost of my generations’ decisions.

http://moelane.com/ Moe Lane

I’m not here to put fire in your belly. I’m here to stoke the fire that you should already have.

wilfranc

The Senate version will be voted on, passed and sent to Obama. He will sign it and the legal battles will begin. The Senate won’t see reconciliation.

renny

bureaucracy this boondoggle will require–Britain’s NHS takes 1,000,000 to tyrannize 52,000,000–so o and henchment will need at least 500,000-1,000,000 to implement all the committees, advisories, agencies, directories, and whatnot in the bill–at least the previous House bill. I read the House bill, but I didn’t read the Sen.;s. It’s another 1,000 pages.
Not funding Obamanationcare by denying the o minions the means to pay for building the monster this act will create is a good way to start.
Since budgets have to begn in the House, maybe taking back the House is the best focus for effort, altho’ I am hoping Reps. can take back both Houses and just stymie this admin. Altho’ o will always have his endless exec. orders. May he will have his own circle of them in h*ll.

earthmover

Why are you being so hostile? If there’s a way to repeal Obamacare prior to 2013 it should be able to be explained in a sentence or two, right? I just don’t know of a way. How is it possible to repeal the cornerstone of Obama’s agenda while he’s still the WH?

earthmover

I want Obamacare to go away every bit as much as anyone else. I just don’t understand how it can be done before 2013. I’m not stomping my feet and saying it can’t be done, I just don’t understand how. Why is that such an awful thing?

http://www.suvstrategery.blogspot.com SoFiMil

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ocleverone

nt

http://www.suvstrategery.blogspot.com SoFiMil

And wouldn’t accept the motion. The Rs didn’t fight it. Don’t know what’s happening or why.

renny

and they have NEVER held him to account. So why should they be interested when they passing a “historic” bill that is really based on 150-year-theory which has never been truly successful anywhere and has killed maybe 200,000,000 worldwide in trying to implement its utopian basis that doesn’t really exist?

If Teddy Roosevelt and Franklin Roosevelt and Truma and Johnson and Clinton couldn’t pass this mishmash of tyranny, maybe the reason is the idea is really dead and has been dead for decades. The “progressives” have just vampired it into draining the US now for generations. But it is not a new or winningf idea and should die a permanent death.

cabanon

They were signed into law in 2003 under Bush.

gohogs

THAT THERE WAS ONLY 103 TOTALLY SAFE SEATS FOR THE DEMS.We should start with the hard ones and work our way back

blivolsi

the Wright Brothers didn’t become the first to fly by focusing on the fact they weren’t born with wings. So, there is plenty that can be done, you just need to look for it

If you believe everything is controlled by events that are out of your hands, then that is exactly what you will get.

http://xmmlbchat.blogspot.com katesmith

Right now I’m listening to a pundit on the radio saying how important it is that 30 million people will now have all their medical expenses paid for. Almost tearful, he’s saying we used to think Mexico was a third world country but we must realize they pay for 100% of healthcare (meaning they’re superior to the US). No sadness expressed for older people who definitely will die sooner due to near extinction of medicare. There is a perfect storm of people who worked and saved and paid into medicare all their life to reach a certain age who’ve also just lost most of their life savings and home value in the sub prime scandal (plenty of people are still in the limelight who could have prevented that). Many elderly will soon be out of money. People like Gingrich and Rove will be in the spotlight more than ever now and they are the last people who need or deserve to be heard. It is time for lawyers to get busy. It worked for the left.

usedtobelib

GOP did was not get press moments months and months ago, way before this thing had legs. I mean face — if not for Scott Brown, we’d not have managed to take things this far, right? And Scott Brown, assuredly with Mitt Romney’s and Romney’s people’s wind at Brown’s back, is the ONLY reason we are being heard now.

How to be heard? We have to have the cameras on us, not on Obama, not on Pelosi, not on Reid. We have to cause an inevitability of our own as they did. That means we have to say something, say it again and again, stick to it, but….it’s useless unless we get videos to go viral AND unless we get face time on tv. By “We” I mean GOP elected officials. They need to grab the spotlight.

What’s the only thing that causes face time on tv? The logos, the reasoned approach of a Cantor or a Ryan? No, those kind get face time only if someone else has paved the way for them with what the media views as a ratings-grabber. In other words, the GOP needs someone who is passionate, fiery w/out being mean-spirited, someone whose pathos grabs even the CNN cameras.

It’s not really a good cop/ bad cop routine, but a logical/ emotional routine. Now is the time for the GOP to steal back the heart of the middle and working class.

I’ve always believed they have packaged themselves too sloppily or that they haven’t even attempted to package themselves. They have allowed the middle and working class to believe the GOP is home only to the people who live behind gates and walls.

In this day and age of effective marketing strategies, there is absolutely no reason for the average American to continue to believe that the GOP is the home only to those who can afford fast foreign cars or those whose dads drove a Chrysler those who are uneducated Bible thumpers. Yes, I said it, “Bible thumpers.”

Unfortunately, that is how the Dems have managed to portray Christians. They have managed to link the GOP with Southern, white illiterates or with religious hucksters like Elmer Gantry or with people who are the opponents of science like William Jennings Bryant.

The “What does a Republican look like” vision is all a mish-masn of those stereotypes in the eyes of CA residents. How sad it is to know that we start off each Presidential cycle ceding the largest block of electoral votes to the enemy and that the wealth of the state goes immediately into the coffers of the DNC.

No matter our demographics, CA is still winnable–if only the GOP could shed its Party of Old, Rich Men Who Belong to Country Club images.

So, is there anyone in the Senate or the House, anyone you see who could, with some prep, become the firebrand of whom I speak?

nayyer_ali

It feels good to call for repeal, but the easiest course in politics is not to do anything and the hardest is to take away benefits. The hard right in the Republican Senate and House may be interested in repeal, but you are not going to find 60 senate votes that easily.
This debacle for the Republicans is the result of two straight disastrous elections giving the Dems not just control of the Congress and WH, but 60 Dem senators. It would only have been 59 if not for Specter’s switch. The roots of today’s events stretch back to the 2006 election.

obladioblada

about Kay Baily Hutchison and the Maine twins voting for cloture on the Senate bill, thereby making this all possible?

When Kay sold out “Hutchison?s vote was met with audible murmurs from Democrats, including Sen. Barbara Boxer (D-Calif.) who loudly proclaimed ?well played!? (via Roll Call)

David123

http://www.suvstrategery.blogspot.com SoFiMil

Live in a flood-plane, earthquake zone, it doesn’t matter. Same with life insurance. The democrats are throwing out the word “discrimination” as a prejorative word. Yeah, it’s “descrimination,” but it’s not the bad kind. It’s reality.

http://www.suvstrategery.blogspot.com SoFiMil

Am I right in that it was not accepted. Why wasn’t it accepted, and why didn’t the Republicans push it?

earthmover

and belief is a wonderful thing, but there is also the (as we learned this week, fairly) concrete legislative process, wherein the president needs to sign the bill that repeals it. How is that possible prior to 2013? I don’t know. I would love to hear how that could be done.

If we are talking about repealing it through the courts, then that process needs to be laid out, because the current mindset isn’t one of fighting it through the courts.

Menlo

The only thing that can be done at this point is for everyone to openly commit right now to not accept or buy health insurance (or insure employees if you own a business) and to not pay the penalty. If enough people did, the program would be starved.

No one here wants to take this option seriously; no one has even vowed to do it. But it is FAR easier and FAR more realistic than getting any sort of action from an elected or appointed official.

http://www.suvstrategery.blogspot.com SoFiMil

Motion is…silence

http://www.suvstrategery.blogspot.com SoFiMil

Punts, and says he’ll wait for Nancy Pelosi to take the gavel.

wilfranc

The Lord giveth and the Lord taketh away. (The Lord also sets them up, and knocks them down, I’ve heard). The government taketh away to give.

Entitlements can and are taken away or reduced. Remember welfare reform?

Part of this bill includes cutting Medicare. Although the plan is to put the Docfix back in, it is possible to actually pass a bill that cuts entitlements. Dems just did it. Republicans can too.

Here in the great state of Michigan, welfare no longer buys people cars and pays for the repairs. I don’t hear the outcry, mainly because not many knew about this. It’s small, but when you run out of money, you have to triage what is really important. The mayor of Detroit wants to abandon and bulldoze down part of the city. and he is a Democrat and black.

http://moelane.com/ Moe Lane

NT

rsexteriors

Specter would have voted for it in the Senate anyway and Scozzafava would have been the single republican to vote for it in the house. I believe she supported it during her campaign didn’t she?

I believe she even REFUSED to rule out supporting a bill with a public option.

Specter has never been a republican. He was a democrat back in the 1970′s, but switched so he could run without having to primary against another democrat.

weatherford

Can we get real. We are NOT at zero. Why would we start there?

We got off of zero at Yorktown. Go back if you want. The rest of us are going forward.

usedtobelib

holding him accountable and you are absolutely, freakin’ right.

So, instead of protestors congregating on the steps of the Capitol, how about organizng protests outside the headquarters of all the major media outlets. Present them with videos of Obama on the stump, cause enough of a ruckus that they have to cover the protest, and they have to air the videos?

This sounds like a job for the tea partiers–a Hold the Media Accountable for Vetting and for Reporting protest.

Maybe that’s the direction we need to go–protests that call for the RETURN OF JOURNALISM, a call for the Rising from the Ashes of the Fourth Estate.

But wait, before it can rise like a phoenix from the ashes, we must first burn it.
So, first some peaceful bonfires, no? By God, I think it’s a good idea. Bonfires all over the country marking the death of journalism and then a call for the rebirth of the fourth estate.

Return to Revolution

Congress can override a presidential veto with 2/3 majority in both house and senate. That would be 290 / 67. Ok republicans probably aren’t going to gain 115 seats in November. But what if we gain 80? A tsunami like that (1994 was 50-something) ought to scare the dems enough to peel away a couple dozen if it finally gets through their thick heads that the public doesn’t want it.

Maybe thats not realistic; I don’t know. But that was one thing off the top of my head. I’m ready to fight and will make the committment to learn more about the process to generate ideas.

One other thing about repeals. How often do you hear the argument entitlements never get repealed? Maybe, but how often has congress enacted revolutionary legislation that wasn’t just controversial, but utterly despised by the public? I’m pretty sure it happened once – March 21, 2010. All bets are off.

weatherford

nt

http://www.suvstrategery.blogspot.com SoFiMil

Of course, the goal is to the a majority first. But I have to admit, this thought crossed my mind.

http://charlemagne-the-hammer.blogspot.com/ DerKrieger

…because HSA holders don’t contribute enough to the risk pool.

OccamsRazor

(I did it just for the women ). But ‘every’ little liberal out there knows psychology and has used it in this case. When mass psychology is understood and applied, in the face of what happened yesterday, it expects the individual to mentally compartmentalize and “buckle”-Do Not.

Do what what every Greek Champion did before any event…Imagine it to be so, and it’ll be so.

blivolsi

blunt and to the point. Mr Lane was more subtle. Educate yourself on the process, visit authoritative sources, and develop your own ideas. But what they are both saying is don’t assume that R’s have to have a majority in both houses and hold the Executive in order to change things.

And be clear about one thing, if you don’t have a belief in what can be done, you will never have action.

proudgop

I can’t watch this I am ready to literally vomit

The Republicans should all vote No and then walk out unified

AndrewHyman

It looks like Fox News is saying that the vote to recommit comes after the vote on the Senate Bill

http://congress.blogs.foxnews.com/2010/03/21/updated-timing-guidance-on-health-care-votes/

billymorris68

I think unconventional format executions could help too. Guerrilla stuff. wild postings etc. be smart and quick. short money. Not talking flyers under windshields.

http://www.barrypopik.com barrypopik

It’s truly a magic bill.

(Still istening to this b.s.)

izoneguy

is just a light preview of what is in store for the dems come November.
Kay “Bailout” will ride it all the way down until she is permanently retired in 2012.

http://www.suvstrategery.blogspot.com SoFiMil

and that they were just prepping everyone for drama.

http://www.barrypopik.com barrypopik

So says Nancy.

“A right and not a privilege,” says Ted Kennedy. What about free food?

http://www.suvstrategery.blogspot.com SoFiMil

the motion certainly created a stir and uncomfortableness among Democrats (even though the C-SPAN camera stayed fixed on the minority leader.)

mavericktime

The Democrats always talk about these individual stories of people who are struggling and sick. Yes, it’s very sad, Nancy, but your bill will not work to solve the problem of reducing health care costs that will ensure that these people can get the medical care that they need. We are not going to be able to continue to help people or protect our country if the government is bankrupt!

cabanon

on non-health related use of the HSA money. I know HSAs weren’t supported HCR but I don’t think they have been “killed” or repealed in any way.

earthmover

Instead of collectively developing ideas and educating each other this is a place for bullying and talking down to people. Awesome.

AndrewHyman

Looks like there isn’t gonna be any motion to recommit the Senate Bill.

weatherford

The only attention this idiot should get is the boot.

There is a great Repub candidate who is running statewide for Mich. Secretary of State, We need to get her amped up to take on this worthless
piece of ordure. She isn’t a wimp RINO and she is 100% pro-life who is real and not a bag of methane gas like Bumbling Bart. She can qualify in July.

By the way, let’s not mention his disgraced name unless in the past tense.

This is the hardest test I have yet faced in trying to follow the command to love my enemy. It may take a few days or weeks and definitely an abundance of grace.

avgjo

With this idiot in the White House, with the blood bath that the Dems have earned themselves at the end of this year, with all the arrogance, economy, etc? Are you serious?

In all sincerity, take a calm, cool rational look around you.

If you are interested in realistic ways to do this, keep an eye on my diary. I’ll be working on this intensely, to post it. I’ve been working on the plans for a while.

avgjo

With this idiot in the White House, with the blood bath that the Dems have earned themselves at the end of this year, with all the arrogance, economy, etc? Are you serious?

In all sincerity, take a calm, cool rational look around you.

If you are interested in realistic ways to do this, keep an eye on my diary. I’ll be working on this intensely, to post it. I’ve been working on the plans for a while.

http://www.thesubstratum.com GJ Merits

If you want the gory details: http://tinyurl.com/y99rxt8

This is why I am surprised at any solution which relies on any political party at the federal level to actually accomplish anything. The sooner people realize this, the better off we will all be.

We now have an excutive brance, legislative branch, and judicary that clearly are hard-coded to consolidate power into a national government. And on’t think just this administration is guilty. The slow slide to centralized national power has been happening since the time of Washington.

The bill can’t be repealed and won’t be. The judiciary, if it even hears the case at the SCOTUS level, is only a temporary band-aid. The SCOTUS has for decades sided with Congress most of the time over the states using a very liberal interpretation of the Commerce Clause to basically give carte blanche to the Congress.

If we want to take this country back, we must do so locally and then at the state level and exercise our rights as states. The federal governement are now, for all intensive purposes, acting like tyrants.

If you doubt this after reading the above synopsis of what the Senate GOP did, then it will be impossible to convince the reader otherwise.

usedtobelib

Kay Bailey H. Yes, cloture. OMG, the enemy from w/in. Much as the twins were just as bad, one has to remember their roots, liberal NE.

But Hutch? Texas? We should hand her if effigy so that every damn last RINO sees what is in store for them. Do you see how we are now sounding like we are ready for a fight. No more ladies and gentlemen stuff.

zachv

His opponent is Sean Duffy.

http://duffyforcongress.com/

joshgosser

I don’t believe they did, and even if they had, the Democrats had 60 votes to kill any filibuster at that point.

We are going to need Snowe and Collins if we are to repeal this in Congress.

http://cannedjam.com cannedjam

i ever posted here, that is why I just read it now and generally stay out of the conversation.

http://janicecantore.com Janice Cantore

if you read the lefty columns they truly beleive that we are only upset about the process. the great obama will spin his magic and come november we will forget all of this, no harm no foul.
It’s a baby not a process. I will not forget

OccamsRazor

A real time representation of ‘good men doing nothing’-for evil to succeed.

aesthete

is that priority #1 for a GOP majority will be the repeal of Obamacare. Of course, this is more likely to be true for the Republican Party in theory than in practice, but there you have it. As such, any ideas for repeal will be entertained, and no idea for said repeal (within legality) is too outlandish or stupid for Republicans to discard out of hand.

In other words, the default going forward for new ideas on repeal should be that they are workable, and this default should then be disproven, not the other way around.

Swamp_Yankee

They posted this yesterday.

Some solid stuff:

http://www.dailykos.com/story/2010/3/20/848245/-On-Motions-to-Recommit-and-their-danger-to-health-care

usedtobelib

I do believe that is what we should call it.

What say you?

AceInTX

if every Republican Governor, Attorney General, Every Republican Congress Critter…and every Republican/conservative group out there banded together and filed a request with the Supreme Court for an injunction to stop HCR’s implementation pending a decision on it’s constitutionality from the US Supreme Court?

usedtobelib

This shall “go” down as the Civil Rights’ Fight of the 21st Century.

avgjo

Forget Obama. When we toss his butt out, we’ll do this.

We need to focus on Nov. and on 12.

We can’t let the ‘political class’ handle this.

It’s time for real, hard-ass Americans to do it.

That’s us, in case you were wondering.

earthmover

but I guess I’m a glutton for punishment.

1stRichard

She totally bastardized the Constitution and our founding fathers, please hurry up and vote, I can?t take it any more. This bill is poison with a candy coating, Democrats talk about the candy only and ignore the poison, this is the death of our great country as it was intended, and they passed it.

obladioblada

Reid?s Health Care Bill Strategy Clears First Hurdle

And it was a 63-33 vote. Had they voted with the Republicans, the Dems would not be celebrating tonight. They made this all possible.

Bill

will do to “GET REPARATIONS” to his minority constitutents as he has promised them. May God help us and have mercy on our Souls. Jesus is Lord.

weatherford

Need I say more. If so, find some elderly cognoscente from D.C. or an ex-Dole staffer and get an explanation. It ain’t complicated.

earthmover

No idea is too outlandish. I have yet to see (here or elsewhere) any ideas, though. Except for winning 115 seats in the House and 27 seats in the Senate, which is a great idea, but quite impossible as well.

obladioblada

You’re right, it would have been 60-36, but it’s still unforgiveable.

Hopefully Kay won’t renege on her promise to retire, otherwise I’ll help retire her in her primary. Let’s hope the Maine twins get some good primary challengers.

conservative_faction

in the bread lines. So much for Pelosi not having the votes.

We are no longer free.

joayn

a rule or can we develop a rule to not feed eeyores?

rsexteriors

Does that happen right after the vote on the bill?

OccamsRazor

But solid reading.

izoneguy

the Japanese warlords felt right after they bombed Pearl Harbor.

How Al Qaeda felt after bringing the World Trade Center down.

This will be a hollow, Pyrrhic victory for the dems.

History will show that this day March 21, 2010 was the beginning of the end of the democratic party. D.C. will be in chaos for the rest of Obama’s term – how ever long it may last.

joayn

Sounds like it’s the Stupak abortion language. Psyched!

SirGladiator

While it may be true that to ‘fully’ repeal Obamacare we’ll need the White House (which just got a LOT easier to recapture after tonight’s Socialistic power-grab), we can certainly take a mighty nice step toward repealing it next year after we take back the House. All spending bills must, by law, originate in the House, and Im thinking that a Republican House will pass 0 dollars for Obamacare and the enormous beurocracy required to run it. Whatever else Obama can veto, he can’t veto what isn’t passed in the first place . No money for Obamacare = neutered Obamacare. Then whatever is left of it President Palin repeals in 2013. I’d say thats a simple, yet very effective, plan for total victory .

joayn

avgjo

We’ll take our freedom back from these losers.

This is just beginning.

Don’t give up!

avgjo

We’ll take our freedom back from these losers.

This is just beginning.

Don’t give up!

joayn

Swamp_Yankee

Honestly, I tuned out, depressed, decided to have a few beers and watch college basketball.

I said it before I left, our guys wree still fighting God bless ‘em. It may be a 1 in a 10000 chance, but its better than nothing.

joayn

aesthete

It’s been one day. Neither Rome nor HCR were made in a day, and repeal certainly won’t be, either. Repeal will be difficult, if it is possible, but if it is, I don’t want efforts to carry out said repeal to languish as a result of a cathartic and dis-unified GOP. I certainly don’t want it to languish because of a lack of creativity on our part.

msctex

FEDERALISM.

The States are not beholden to the Federal Government to the extent the “Constitutional Scholar” currently debasing his office appears to assume they are. If they’ve managed to pass a dysfunctional, unConstitutional, byzantine disaster of a Bill, it will run into walls, dams, and minefields they haven’t even begun to consider. This time next week, I bet we are all in a much better mood.

(That is not to discount the disgust I feel at today’s events.)

weatherford

you dont win by losing but you can lose by winning, They have a bill, but we have the moment. It is an opportunity to see their fields sown with salt.

The hard triumphs are the ones we want. The easy ones are going to happen anyway. The greater the obstacle, the greater the glory.

All we really need is beer for the horses and whiskey for the men — and cash.

rsexteriors

if the Republican do a MTR on abortion only and they win it? How does that affect the vote the dems just won?

OccamsRazor

is executed when the wealth of a state is collected and fed to the masses as if it were corn feed to the pigs. The entire country eats well for 2-3 years, as of which time no one notices until it is the bread lines-in which case no one has time to imagine anything past their own stomachs-let alone such matters as putting a person on Mars or if there’re any additional flavors of the atom.

In this case, it doesn’t even start until what? 2012-2014? You have until 2012-2016 to start seeing crime and REAL poverty increase exponentially. Take that time to renew your passport, and definitely remember to sell your stocks this year.

I’m guessing the dow will be down on Monday and will be lower in Jan. 2011 than it is today. Only a guess (alot of the people who invest are smart cookies and this is already ‘baked’ into the market)-pun intended.

Real suffering and real pain are a comin’. Not today, not tomorrow, and they are definately calculating that it’ll be past your memory and beyond our CONTROL, but it’s a comin”-if this allowed to stand.

//semi snark off

OccamsRazor

is executed when the wealth of a state is collected and fed to the masses as if it were corn feed to the pigs. The entire country eats well for 2-3 years, as of which time no one notices until it is the bread lines-in which case no one has time to imagine anything past their own stomachs-let alone such matters as putting a person on Mars or if there’re any additional flavors of the atom.

In this case, it doesn’t even start until what? 2012-2014? You have until 2012-2016 to start seeing crime and REAL poverty increase exponentially. Take that time to renew your passport, and definitely remember to sell your stocks this year.

I’m guessing the dow will be down on Monday and will be lower in Jan. 2011 than it is today. Only a guess (alot of the people who invest are smart cookies and this is already ‘baked’ into the market)-pun intended.

Real suffering and real pain are a comin’. Not today, not tomorrow, and they are definately calculating that it’ll be past your memory and beyond our CONTROL, but it’s a comin”-if this allowed to stand.

//semi snark off

izoneguy

America will be in the toilet and the printing press will have run out of ink. Plus, after all the doctors quit who will provide all this wonderful government healthcare? SEIU medical trainees? The stock market will tank tomorrow.

Hera

The reason Obamacare can be repealed and starved of funding is because it is hated by the majority of Americans.This is not popular legislation that most people support, most voters also know they will lose more then they will gain. Obamacrare was also passed against the will of the majority of the American people which will be key to its eventual defeat. Many Americans will never forget the bribes, lies and intimidation used to pass Obamacare.Nor the fact that our so-called representatives chose to ignore their constituents to pass this crap legislation that most didn’t even bother to read. This will not be a case of one vote and the dems go on with their lives. This is a vote that will haunt them for years and will become a millstone around their necks.By Nov many dems will pray that Obamacare is repealed because of the never ending protests and lawsuits that are coming.

rsexteriors

has also been voted down 219-212.

Well now we have another vote ON RECORD showing the blue dog (lap dogs’) are NOT pro life and just voted against a MTR concerning abortion

weatherford

in simply screwing up D.C. to get inside the decision cycle of the Nomenklatura. Maybe we cant beat them but we can bring to them a living Hell.

There was a Senator from Iowa who used to talk about fishing with dynamite.
“You just throw it in the pond and see what dead fish come to the surface.”

I never understood why that was relevant to politics. I guess he meant that if all the fish dont float to the surface, the rest below have got a mean headache and cant figure which way is up.

conservative_faction

Now the gloves are off. Let’s get to it. November is not too far away and it’s gonna be a good month for us!

NoDoze

Someone with the necessary skills should round up some really sick and pathetic looking old people (I would volunteer, but I am not pathetic enough), and make tear-jerking, heart breaking videos complaining about how they can’t get the necessary health care to save their lives since Obamacare was passed into law. Put these videos all over the web on a daily basis. Put out a new one every week or so and keep up the drumbeat. Maybe we could make a few videos showing an actual aborted baby and claim that was also due to Obamacare federal funding of abortions.

It will not be long before these exemplary cases will be real, and we should be ready to use them extensively.

Just a thought.

earthmover

I asked for ideas and creativity from others and I was only called names. We have an incredibly cohesive national majority right now, unified against what happened to our country this evening. Now is not the time to start alienating people. (One can look earlier in this thread for examples of said alienation.) Now is the time to clearly delineate a way forward.

cyncurl999

are what got this bill passed and are what got Obama elected. Get off the wimpy analysis and start taking action whether it’s doing research, giving money (preferably with research already done), carry signs, etc. etc. This is no place for the meek or easily offended – we are warriors and we are mobilized. That being said, I will not compromise my integrity or my ultimate faith in God as the supreme ruler (no, it’s not Barack Obama) to win this battle. I will employ my faith and humbly pray that we would have the wisdom of God guiding our thinking and actions. There is a real problem of pridefulness to take the altar when it comes to politics because, well, we are right and we have rights… right?

cyncurl999

Think like a warrior. Take action and have belief in your cause and carry on with integrity. I appreciate the leaders of this movement who are not easily offended. If you are, then yes, stay out of the battle.

olddog

in Viet-Nam when overrun by the Cong, one commander called in fire, on his own position which saved the day. What, would be the political equivalent,? When the enemy of our freedom’s is not at the gate, but within the compound ,called Congress. and the S.C.O.T.U.S. with lifetime positions.
We need to get rid of lifetime politicians. We need new principled people , who believe in an exceptional Nation, who hold to the founders vision, who believe in the Individual’s rights. Who believe in a hand up not a hand out.
Making a living. Not being good at politics, and trusting pols. at their word, has gotten us into this mess. and I’m as guilty as anybody, but that has changed, We are, as a people , even while being misinformed by the lame stream media, have managed by instinct or the internet and other means, realize we cannot trust, but must investigate, by whatever means possible, those who want power over us, instead of representing us, so we can boot them out.
Support Our Troops
One Old Dog

wayneepalmer

… PharoObama will actually sign a functional Presidential Order banning public funding of abortion???

I’m figuring probably up there with my chances of being on the next lunar landing team, but I might be an optimist.

memez

about a yeaer ago. Since then I just read and keep quiet

http://www.thesubstratum.com GJ Merits

Correct you are. It is kind of like – I don’t know – relying on the House not to trust the Senate as a strategy to defeat ObamaCare. Dr. Larry Hunter was pounding the Senate to DO something – hold up the Senate, obstruct, ANYTHING. Instead, they sent a letter. Wow, that’s just brilliant thinking.

Dr. Hunter knew that waiting for something is not a strategy – it is the lack of a strategy that removes all power from you and forces you to rely on an outcome you have no control over. Kind of like waiting for the outcome of lawsuits, or elections. Why nobody is seeing this is beyond me, but what I am beginning to notice quite clearly is the group think that permeates not only the GOP in the Congress, but the establishment and its followers as well. A strategy that calls for us to do something now as citizens as opposed to waiting for elections and lawyers is what is called for. A strategy that allows us to use pressure where we have the leverage to use pressure.

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