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If King George Will Not Listen . . .

“Acts of violence against congressmen for behaving as congressmen are wholly inexcusable. . . . But let’s not act surprised.”

This is one of those posts that has to be written and has to be said, though I know going in to it I’m going to get beaten up from all sides, though especially from a left particularly out to get me right now.

Nonetheless, this must be said.

The threats, potential acts of violence, and violence against those who voted for the health care legislation must be condemned. They are neither helpful to those seeking repeal nor the acts of a civilized society. I comfortably say I speak for all the front page posters here condemning the violence and threats. The people who think this country has descended into the darkness do in fact send us down a dark path themselves with these actions.

Clear? Good.

Here comes the controversial part that still must be said: I have heard the audio of some of the threats. I get worse stuff routinely. Rush Limbaugh gets worse stuff on a daily basis. Republican members of Congress have gotten similar and worse stuff. Thank God this wasn’t a free trade vote or a variety of left wing groups would have half the country in flames right now. I do believe the 24 hours of threats, many of which were pretty weak, has gotten more national coverage than the leftist anarchists in Texas who molotov cocktailed the Texas Governor’s Mansion — for which arrests have never been made.

I am forced to largely conclude that the Democrats are running to the nearest microphone in an effort to play the victim and generate sympathy as they try to steer poll numbers back in their direction. (See also Ann Althouse)

Some of it is very bad stuff. I don’t want to underplay the bad. Some of it, however, is not. And some of it is overplayed. Like the press reports about protestors yelling racial epithets at Congressman Lewis, which video shows and reporters I’ve talked to confirm, did not happen, a lot of this is going to be overblown, but the media loves a good story.

As one example of the over the top “violence on Democrats” stories went, people put a coffin near Russ Carnahan’s home as a threat. Turns out it was for a prayer vigil.

But there is something else here.

There are a great many Americans who truly believe the Democrats shredded the constitution on Sunday night. Made more galling, the Democrats were pretty upfront that they were pushing it through before congressmen could go home and face their angry constituents every poll showed were opposed to this legislation. And only after the vote did the media really start talking about the taxes, the flexible spending account cuts, the pre-existing conditions loophole for kids, etc. — i.e. the bad stuff in the bill.

I’ve said for weeks I was a bit fearful of what would happen as a result. I sincerely pray we are not on the cusp of some group of angry and now unhinged mob lashing out at congressmen for a vote in the Congress. But something seems to be brewing and I frankly don’t think the Democrats should at all be surprised. They were and they knew they were playing with fire to advance legislation many Americans see as the undoing of the American Experiment. Some of those Americans will now conclude that, like with the founders, if King George will not listen, King George must be fought.

Acts of violence against congressmen for behaving as congressmen are wholly inexcusable. We should be vigilant to police our own side because as we’re already seeing through a series of breathless and inaccurate reports, the press and Democrats are going to be quick to run most any story and the retraction will never be as significant as the initial report.

But let’s not act surprised. The only people surprised by the rage are the ones who refused to venture outside Washington to understand first hand what the voters were actually thinking before congressmen voted.

Frankly, after all the leadership threats and bullying against swing Democrats to vote for leadership, I think it is a bit ironic Democratic leaders are now decrying threats and bullying of swing state Democrats by their constituents who very clearly did not want them to vote as they did.

COMMENTS

  • Locked and Loaded

    Or does everybody who sees the unrelenting and eventual destruction of the Union ask themselves: Where is the point of no return? When do the petitions and pleading stop? When do we recognize it is in fact the same sort of tyranny with which the Founding Fathers were faced?

    Isn’t it true that the Revolutionaries faced a pivotal moment when they knew they must move guardedly and in concert, in actions that they knew would be considered treason?

    God save the USA.

  • Locked and Loaded

    Or does everybody who sees the unrelenting and eventual destruction of the Union ask themselves: Where is the point of no return? When do the petitions and pleading stop? When do we recognize it is in fact the same sort of tyranny with which the Founding Fathers were faced?

    Isn’t it true that the Revolutionaries faced a pivotal moment when they knew they must move guardedly and in concert, in actions that they knew would be considered treason?

    God save the USA.

  • http://itsaboutfreedom.proboards.com IronDioPriest

    As Americans, we have almost universally embraced the ideal that our liberties were won and maintained at a great cost, and we have never been shy about averring that the cost of blood is always on the table in the defense of liberty. Most Americans would proudly agree.

    I do not believe that all peaceful legislative and political options have been exhausted by a long-shot. But clearly, our liberties are under assault by our own government. We have never before faced such a threat. When that legislation was passed, and this charlatan president signed it, the liberty of the American people suffered a wound so severe that the treatment required has taken on urgent if not emergency status.

    You are correct Erick, the Leftists should not be surprised, and I do not believe they are. They know exactly what they are doing, and they expect this reaction. They intend to capitalize on it, which is why it is so important for people to understand that while there IS a time for everything under heaven – including, God forbid, revolution and / or civil war, this is NOT that time. We MUST make every effort to advance the cause of liberty by convincing our fellow citizens that the very thing that makes us Americans is being attacked by this rogue government.

    Let THEM be the bad guys. If the day comes when we must defend ourselves physically from the crimes of this government, let us be prepared, vigilant, united, and so clearly in the right that events cannot be twisted against us by propagandists.

    Chaos will not serve us well.

  • IJB

    This is about setting the stage for a Sedition Bill.

    Make no mistake – the ultimate aim of the Democrats is to outlaw all forms of political opposition to their corrupt rule. This has always been their ultimate goal.

    And, if they manage to succeed, that’s when the violence will start for real…

  • mainstreet8

    1 Kings 12:16-19 (The Message)

    16-17 When all Israel realized that the king hadn’t listened to a word they’d said, they stood up to him and said,
    Get lost, David! We’ve had it with you, son of Jesse! Let’s get out of here, Israel, and fast! From now on, David, mind your own business.

    And with that, they left. But Rehoboam continued to rule those who lived in the towns of Judah.

    18-19 When King Rehoboam next sent out Adoniram, head of the workforce, the Israelites ganged up on him, pelted him with stones, and killed him. King Rehoboam jumped in his chariot and fled to Jerusalem as fast as he could. Israel has been in rebellion against the Davidic regime ever since.

    The Message (MSG)

    Copyright ? 1993, 1994, 1995, 1996, 2000, 2001, 2002 by Eugene H. Peterson

  • tecash

    we do? I agree it is juvenile and criminal to threaten someone even if you cause is right, but getting past the few threats, what do we do to rid our nation of this blight?

    It will not be repealed and history shows that. Welfare was never intended to be a permanent item, it was meant to be a short term fix to a major issue. Anyone with any common sense can see welfare has turned into a major problem that drains our economy and causes people to loose any reason to excel, yet in the many years since its inception it has never been repealed or even scaled back. Many have talked about it, polls say a majority of America dislike the current welfare system, yet it remains intact.

    The examples of horrible decisions, laws, and programs could go on forever, yet not one has ever been repealed. Look at abortion. Abortion was not made legal through constitutional means, it was made legal by activist judges, yet it stays. Over 50 of this country want abortion on demand ended or scaled back, yet it stays and grows day by day.

    This bill is here to stay although I wish I could say different. Over the next few months prior to the upcoming election, you will see Obama try and maybe suceed in passing further socialist programs and law and it will push this hot issue to the back burner. Americans are great at forgetting, and this will be forgotten until it causes so many issues the poor president in charge when the full bill comes to fruition will bear the wrath of the populus.

    I would love to believe republicans and other conservatives will make this their “remember the Alamo” moment, but past history says different. I would love to believe the bill will be repealed, but past history says different. The only history I can find in this country where unlawful and unreasonable bills were repealed, was in the First war of this country and in the Civil war. Does anyone really believe that the English would have given us our freedom and stopped their tyranny had the revolutionary war never happened and had it not been won? And does anyone really believe the southern states would not have left the union and freed the blacks had Lincoln not been willing to go to war? Does anyone really believe that there would have been enough men of courage and conviction in our government to have risked it all to repeal the many laws including slavery that were so wrong and unlawful had real men of courage not bled out on the battlefield? The answer is no and the same applies today. There are some men and women willing to take up the fight, but there is not enough. This law is here to stay unless the people of this country do what is needed to get rid of it.

    Threats are wrong, plain and simple. But do not fool yourself into thinking all of a sudden our congress will do the right thing when they have never done so in the past. We will either learn to deal with this BS bill, just as we live with so many other BS bills, or we will stand up and be willing to do what is needed to end this administrations attempt to alter our country, and that is simple and pure truth.

  • janis

    If they can get what they want, then they are well on their way to laying down the markers for shutting down talk radio, taking over the internet for an “emergency contingency” and then going on a gun-grabbing spree.

    We must do all we can to deny them their useful crisis. As Achance has often advocated, we must make sure that the violence comes from them and their unhinged minions, not from us. Beyond that, however, we have to make sure that these leftys are identified as such.

  • http://www.hakubi.us/ Neil Stevens

    We work peacefully, through political means. The American way.

    If you want to act more like some third world commie revolutionary, have it your way. But not here.

  • Naqamel

    And that action is working against every Democrat I can and voting against every Democrat I can.

    Dear Dems: You rammed through Health Care. Come November, we’re ramming through your pink slips. YOU’RE FIRED. Clean out your office.

  • tom246

    I agree that we don’t need violence now. Although it may feel good for a moment t will not solve anything.

    If you want to get there attention, wait until the spring recess and meet with them. It?s acceptable to yell at them and voice your opinion strongly but violence will only further the cause of the progressives, they are waiting for someone or some group to damage something so they can then call for new draconian laws under the guise of “hate crimes”.

    You must remember that the left sees everything as an opportunity to advance their agenda and that they are completely willing to manufacture (lie) about the facts to do that.

  • Naqamel

    Where is the point of no return?

    Point of no Return is when implanted RFID chips are mandatory.

  • sallyw

    Only if it’s a fairy tale story that they can color up real pretty to influence.

    Thank you for the honesty of this article. You reflect the feelings and truth from a huge majority of Americans. Too bad this all goes to the Choir. It’s got to be nipped by the media. Hold on a sec, I’ll hold my breath.
    In the meantime…
    Anyone heard anything yet about whether or not the person/persons who set Sarah Palin’s home church on fire with people inside were ever pursued or caught?
    Anyone?
    Bueller??
    Anyone?

  • rsexteriors

    as far as I can throw them

    I would wager that most of these “incidents” have been manufactured and have been contrived by those on the left. They are trying to discredit the tea party movement and change the subject from health care to those “right wing extremists”.

    And the media WILLINGLY goes along with it. Just like the Left wing nut that flew his plane into the IRS building. Who did they blame THE TEA PARTY.

    People are going to have to know that the more these treasonous marxists feel their power being threatened the more lies and accusations will be made. They are looking for any excuse (real on contrived) to use force against our protests and people. Marshal Law to take away guns, etc

    This is really going to be a fight for this country’s FREEDOM. I pray that our side will stay peacful and drive on. We can beat these people without resorting to violence.

  • Marcus_Traianus

    This is probably the best accumulation of photos I have seen. Just curious- were these people arrested? Questioned? After all, they still represent a threat.

    Frankly, I don’t think the violence or threats are necessary. However, I do pine for the days when Loyalists were tarred and feathered. I suppose today that would be called assault. Come to think of it I do favor assault- at the ballot box in November. Democrats can keep dreaming that “overnight in politics is an eternity”. When you try to steal people’s freedom, eight months is the blink of an eye and just provides more time to motivate your neighbors.

  • http://www.hakubi.us/ Neil Stevens

    History shows that most politically-useful threats and attacks are faked, on both sides.

    At least half the weekend warriors posting here about wanting to slit throats, are probably Democrats.

    If threats are being made in DC, at least half of them are being made by Democrats.

  • Common_Cents

    I’m sure there are a regular amount of angry calls and such for both sides, but the left are surely making this into propaganda. They are using the victim mentality once again.

    It’s going to work too.

    It is designed to weaken any GOP response by tying the right to any crazy whacko. GOP leadership is too weak to continue in the face of this attempted implication, they won’t want to ruffle too many feathers inside the beltway.

    Gee, what about the whacko far left who didn’t get the public option? They are more apt to make threats and get violent.

  • Right Reason

    Where IS the point of no return? I don’t think we’re there yet, but the happenings since the 2008 elections do have me wondering. When exactly did the founders realize that they couldn’t fix things with England?

  • izoneguy

    when we take back the house and slow roll Obama.

    Let’s see the left’s reaction when we take back the Senate
    and the Presidency in 2012.

    Let’s see the left’s reaction when this travesty gets repealed.

    Let’s see the left’s reaction when they realize that they have blown it.

    Let’s see the left’s reaction when we start drilling here.

    Let’s see the left’s reaction when they are impotent to stop the right.

  • http://www.hakubi.us/ Neil Stevens

    I’ll ask one back, to everyone heming and hawing about revolution:

    Will you renounce the use of force to achieve domestic policy goals?

    Yes or no.

  • LtE113

    The republicans need to ask for police reports. Lets see ‘em.. We can’t do the violence thing and aren’t. THEY ARE. Condem nbut verify.

    Call them the liars they are. Please.

    They could say to the American people…” After what they just pulled off, how can you possibly believe them.”

    Let’s see the police reports.

  • Locked and Loaded

    And your name-calling characterization is unfair and wrong. I was praying and nearly weeping as I wrote that post. Please instruct me as to my last question. Is it true? If so, then certainly it is the American way.

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  • tankertodd

    I’m positive RedState doesn’t want to be associated with “politics through other means.” As we’re seeing with panicky Democrats crying into the nearest microphone, I’m sure every word on this site and every conservative site is being scrubbed by Media Matters et al. for any promotion of violence.

    As passionate as we are, for this reason alone such undertakings are ill-advised. The focus would go on the act, on the pleadings for sympathy, not on the politics. The politics are fully on our side, so why screw that up? The wind has been to our backs for some time now – let’s harness that fully. A majority of voters hate this stuff, we just have to be patient until November. The system isn’t broken or shown any signs of being broken. Let the Judicial Branch do their job. There’s no casus belli. Yet.

    One quick example – I’m pretty pro-gay rights simply because I believe in Life, Liberty, and the Pursuit of Happiness. So that side captured my vote, so to speak. As soon as I read about Proposition 8 intimidation in California, (donors being black-listed, churches attacked, etc.) the gay rights side immediately loses my vote. The issue doesn’t matter anymore, only that someone is breaking the rules and hurting people. Same with healthcare – we’ll lose independents who for some crazy reason are opposed to death threats and other low tactics. Not to mention breaking the law, which the Democrats would love to see us do because then it gives them cover to do it more often. Remember the justification behind running up the debt to 14 trillion? “Bush did it.” Our response: “Um….ah….well….”

    Let’s stay on the high road.

  • http://thesandsinstitute.org Vassar Bushmills

    but rather, rent-a-mobs.

    So, I think you are right, something is brewing.

    VB

  • southernilpat

    But the story I watched on the news played an example of the “threats” being received. What I heard was an angry man saying “I hope YOU DIE!” Now, not exactly eloquent debate but not exactly a threat, either. Telling someone you hope they die is not the same thing as saying you are going to kill them.

  • tankertodd

    missing a closing tag up there… yikes…

  • http://www.hakubi.us/ Neil Stevens

    But how am I supposed to read the comment of someone with the username “Locked and Loaded” who’s plotting when to commit treason?

  • louisiana

    I do know the Demonrats, after their deathcare “victory” , will be emboldened & motivated to swiftly complete their coup before 2010. The vulnerable D’s that voted for deathcare know their fate is sealed, so what do they have to lose by voting for the rest of the agenda? Amnesty, crap & tax–where do we draw the line, if ever?

  • Rich Tandler

    Has any threat been linked to the Tea Party movement? Have any mentioned it?

    I’m with those who think that all of this either is made up or way, way overblown.

    Come to think of it, I’d much rather have to deal with a threatening voice mail or two than with 16,000 new IRS agents. Or a Secretary of HHS granted vast powers. Truly, which of those is more frightening and intimidating?

  • http://www.hakubi.us/ Neil Stevens

    I think if you shout that at somebody in anger, the person being shouted at has reason to be concerned.

  • http://hillbillypolitics.com Steph C

    Playing the victim, always the victim…

    I have to ask: If you’re always a victim, how can you be a leader? Being a victim implies helplessness.

    So, what exactly are they victims of?

    You’ll get no argument from me. I don’t want this country going down the path of threats and epithets which often leads to the next step which is unreasoning violence.

    Yet, I’m mindful of the comment above asking where is the point of no return. That point is, sir, when there is no other recourse and not before. We have not reached that point yet and God willing we won’t.

  • tankertodd

    I don’t excuse, but I generously understand the words being shouted at these representatives. Even the racist/homophobic insults. People are really mad, have been really ignored, and see a process that is unconstitutional and shady, to say the least. They seek a way to hit back just as they have been hit, and you reach for the nearest hurtful epithet. Free speech does includes racist speech. It’s wrong, and empowers our enemy in the end, but I could see rational people losing their temper and saying things they shouldn’t. I have kids.

    I would never hang someone who did this out to dry, only ask that they explain and apologize, before ripping them a new one in a more appropriate and constructive manner.

  • janis

    fire with rage, izoneguy. It’s probably a good idea after all to allow them to grow their own medical marijuana as was reported on Drudge yesterday, I believe. If you’re stoned enough, you ain’t going to go out and commit violence, you’re going to sit home and eat Cheetos and play games online.

    Besides, even if they made it to a protest, they likely wouldn’t be able to remember why they came in the first place. We need to remember to bring Krispy Kreme Doughnuts with us when we show up to protest or demonstrate. Throw enough boxes of those around, and you’ve pacified the stoners.

  • clintonformccain

    ….I thought they must have gotten a tip that Presidential political patron, Billy Ayers, must be coming out of retirement.

  • chronos

    I fear that if the Left does not get the response it is hoping for (i.e. – Tea Partiers in the streets with guns a blazing… bleh), they will look to manufacture incidents.

    Considering where the MSM is and how badly they want to disparage us on the Right, it would seem logical (as several above me have pointed out) that the ‘fake’ event would get massive airplay. If whatever they do to smear us is big enough, we will not have enough time to refute it before the hammer is dropped. Even the small fake events (the spitting, the coffin, etc.) have the effect of turning a few people against us because the masses have a 2 second attention span. Over time, that hurts us…

    And remember, they have the majority of Hollywood on their side. How hard would it be to create / stage something that looked real? These guys are playing for keeps and I do not doubt they will go to any length to win the fight.

    I am very much in favor of fighting them on the political front and at the polls. I think we have the right message and the moral high ground.

    We just need to be vigilant to make sure anything brought out to disparage us is quickly found and shown to be false (as I am sure all will prove to be…)

    And, remember Ghandi’s quote:
    ?First they ignore you, then they laugh at you, then they fight you, then you win.?

    We are on the last stage… Now it gets tough.

  • E Pluribus Unum

    Never.

    I will do no such activities, nor condone them. But HELLO, DEMS, welcome to accountability and consequences.

    Hope it tastes good. You’ll just LOVE dessert in November.

  • wkeller

    This is obviously a touchy subject, but why? We have a Congress that has been out of control for decades. Many in power have read the public’s willingness to go along with dramatic increases in entitlement programs as capitulation to the power of the government. And, that has probably been a good read in years gone by.

    Obama has taken this to a whole new level. Banks have been seized, auto companies seized, insurance companies seized and now with this bill, somewhere between 6-16% of our economy. It’s enough. It was done over the objections of an electorate in which 85% were very happy with their insurance policies and 60% wanted nothing to do with this bill.

    It was done in a perverted fashion with HR 3200 gifting the Democrats a pummeling over the summer and the Senate simply ignoring HR 3200, and doing a complete “cut-and-paste” on HR 3590, a completely unrelated bill, just to pass a Senate bill.

    The process was further perverted through the use of reconciliation to pass the unwanted bill.

    Those of us who spent a life time in the military, those of us who swore an oath to defend the Constitution from enemies both foreign and domestic, those of us who swore that oath multiple times, those of us who view it as a life time oath now find ourselves genuinely questioning the true meaning of that oath to a depth none of us ever dreamed would be necessary.

    If we have a government that has lost respect for our founding document. If we have a government who has, over a prolonged period of time, turned a deaf ear to those it represents. If we have a government where those running for office proudly proclaim falsehoods during the election seasons and then do “what is good for the country” once they are elected. I ask you – what alternatives are left?

    I too feel a darkness growing. I see a government drunk on power where the intent seems to be to “rule” rather than “represent”. Where the government is now convinced that they know what is good for the country. Which companies are to survive and which are to fail. What healthcare we should receive. Whether our children should be able to eat Doritos in school. I see the perverse and endless march of a government easily willing to trample on our freedoms and liberties all in the interest of “equality”.

    There will be a tipping point. It will be reached if the government does not turn from this perverted path. Those 60% plus that are dissatisfied with our direction will not go quietly into the night. The thought of the devastation this would bring to our country is nearly unthinkable. The only thing worse would be to stand quietly to the side as our nation becomes a tyranny with the people ground under the heel of an uncaring and power-hungry government.

    I view the Obama administration as that tipping point. If we, as a nation, turn away from this path – we will walk back from the brink. If we, as a nation, acknowledge that the government is in service to us rather than us to them, we will walk back from the brink. However, if we continue on this path, Obama will be viewed 100 years from now as the catalyst for America’s second revolution.

    I honestly think it is that simple.

  • http://www.thesubstratum.com GJ Merits

    Except DC is now the British Parliament stand-in.

    The Marshall Court started the march towards unfettered federal powers in 1810 with Fletcher v. Peck where the court basically ruled that people had no democratic remedy to correct the bribed action of a corrupt legislature in their own state. The Constitutional Convention denied the Congress the power to veto acts of state legislatures. It did not turn around and say the Courts should have that power. The Marshall Court ruled that it did have that power, so we are where we are because of the federal court system, in this case particularly the SCOTUS, which has recently used the Commerce Clause in many cases to grant the Congress unfettered power and rarely sided with the states.

    Marshall, more than any other justice, is responsible for turning the nationalists defeat in the Philadelphia Convention into a long-term total victory. The SCOTUS decisions under Chief Justice Marshall at that time have played themselves out since in more and more power being concentrated in the hands of a few to lord over the many. We literally now have a system in place that has scary parallels to the system in place in 1776. That of a national government having more powers than the states and the people. Exactly the opposite of what our founders wanted and were trying to avoid.

    Many of our founders warned us what would happen and were not optimistic we would hold the republic. As usual, their wisdom and prescience are astounding. They truly understood the nature of man in a way many today do not.

    If Congress does not begin to govern as our founders intended and our states do not begin to re-assert their power, the high passions and forces may be funneled in a direction none of us really want. That is why it is now, at this time in history, so critical for Republicans to stand tall, not buckle, lead like statesman, and not make empty promises that won’t be full-filled. I heard Boehner talk about de-funding ObamaCare and already I am hearing how this is just an empty promise for the troops to hear.

    Prove the naysayers wrong and do it if you take back the House. Stand up to Obama. If there is a government shutdown, pass bills to keep the government running at minimal levels as states stand up and divert federal tax dollars for dispensation to programs and people that would need the money within their borders. We can take back this country but only IF we are willing to make some hard decisions short of violence.

    Otherwise, I believe a tipping point will be reached. The Declaration of Independence described it as a “long train of abuses and usurpations”. How long is the train now?

    If the Supreme Court is truly listening and wants to correct the errors of the past, they certainly can expedite the case of individual mandates and rule in our favor. They can also expedite other challenges on other grounds and rule in our favor. The SCOTUS started this ball rolling in 1810. Maybe in 2010 they can stop it from ruining this country. The institution itself put us here, now its up to them to fix things.

    That’s my opinion.

  • Right Reason

    The people who gave birth to this nation used force to achieve domestic policy goals. Were they wrong as well?

    There are people who are at the end of their rope and seeing a revolution as the only way out. At this point, they must be talked off the ledge. We are not anywhere near there yet. But I am not as sure as you appear to be that we will never be there.

  • The Grognard

    I have yet to see a single report detailing the arrest of a tea party activist or a republican in connection with any of these “incidents.” The lame stream media getting out in front on this crap before there are any real facts about WHO was involved in these “crimes” is a strong indicator that something fishy is going on here. Look at that interview Shuster had with that author, in which he blathered about how “logical” it was to connect these “incidents” with “racists in the tea parties.” This has been the media narrative for a long time.

    Further, there have been numerous incidents of so-called “right wing violence or threats” where liberal democrats have been arrested for staging those incidents. I can’t recall the incidents specifically, but I remember there was a college girl that claimed some kind of racist threat or attack, and she later confessed that she fabricated the whole thing. There was another incident during the ’08 campaign where a liberal democrat vandalized a Dem headquarters. The media ran with the story, blaming the right, but buried the story when this liberal provocateur was arrested for the incident.

    Patriots need to stop believing the crap that comes from the left until proven. Reagan said, “trust, but verify.” We should give no credence to this crap the media is spinning until its proven that there are tea partiers or republicans involved.

    Furthermore, lets understand something my friends. Americans of every stripe, of every faith, of every belief, are now on the hook to pay for abortions, whether they agree with the “procedure” or not. Abortion is far more heinous than slavery was, given that the unborn who are slain are not only denied liberty, but are ALWAYS denied life.

    Evil and cruel politicians, and even Supreme Court judges, exacerbated the slavery issue until it blew the country apart in civil war. Read about Dred Scott and the Kansas/Nebraska act to see what I’m talking about. Obamacare is no less aggregious.

    My friends, we should exhaust all possible peaceful means of eliminating this obamanation that is “universal health care” that forces everyone in this country to pay for the enslavement and slaughter of children.

    That being said, the Founders also understood the necessity of force when political options were exhausted and ineffective. If our federal government succeeds in forcing everyone in this country to buy health care whether they want it or not, and worse yet, forces everyone in this country to pay for the enslavement and murder of the unborn, I predict that this nation will be subject to acts of violence with a greater and greater frequency.

    The pro-life movement in this nation has been largely peaceful for the 40 years since Roe v. Wade, with the exception of a few incidents of violence that have always been denounced. The American public, by a large majority, does not want tax-payer funded abortion, regardless of their views on whether the “procedure” should be legal. Certainly, a large majority of Americans do not want Obamacare and all of the tyranny it brings.

    At some point, Americans are going to say “Give me liberty, or give me death!” Afterall, “Death is not the worst of all evils.”

    Americans are a nation of freedom-loving people. Take our liberties at your own peril.

  • littlehouse18

    or even a shot heard ’round the world. If violence would happen one day, then it must come from our opponents. Then the world will one day see them for what they truly are. I pray it doesn’t happen, that the ballot box will still save us.

  • SG_Lominac

    http://www.denverpost.com/commented/ci_13203950

    “One of two people suspected of shattering 11 windows Tuesday morning at the state Democratic Party headquarters has an arrest record and a history of helping a Democratic political candidate, public records show.

    Police said that about 2:20 a.m., 24-year-old Maurice Schwenkler, now in custody, and an at-large accomplice took a hammer to the picture windows displaying posters touting President Barack Obama and his health care reform efforts.

    Early Tuesday, Democratic Party chairwoman Pat Waak said the damage to her building in Denver’s art district was a consequence of “an effort on the other side to stir up hate.” She tempered her statement after Schwenkler’s political history was revealed.”

  • http://hillbillypolitics.com Steph C

    There were no victims there, expect perhaps the perpetrators because the evil right=wingers made them do it.

    The leftist statists will never admit to anything for which to be accountable and the consequences will always be the fault of someone else, never themselves.

  • http://hillbillypolitics.com Steph C

    When I started writing the above comment there was only the comment by Locked and Loaded. I got called to the phone, come back to finish my comment and the thread has exploded.

  • texasgalt

    are nothing different than the Mark Levin’s of the world get every single day. Heck, Stupak is hated equally, on the left, as well. I don’t wish violence on him, but if the liar and poser is feeling the heat . . . BOO HOO, too freaking bad.

    As far as the real violence, most of that has come from the left- bombing the recruiting station in NY, rioting at G8 meetings and hey, who were those people beating up the tea party guy in MO and calling him the N-word?

    Oh, it was these guys:

  • clintonformccain

    “Die Pigs die!” in the streets at the Chicago ’68 Convention?

  • mootzu

    ..on the side of which to be fearful, but I thought this piece was incredibly well written and thoughtful. Kudos Erick.

    I don’t really see anything here they can attack you with, but then the left never fails to shock me. They’ll probably just make something up to take things out of context, I guess.

    OMG ERICSON JUST CALLED FOR A REVOLUTION!!!11!!!1

  • littlehouse18

    We must struggle politically with all our might to prevent the tragedy of violence. Struggle as if our lives depended on it, and make our points forcefully yet without a hint of incitement.

  • oldphart

    and throoughly immoral—doctrine that “violence never settles anything” I would advise to conjure up the ghosts of Napoleon Bonaparte and of the Duke of Wellington and let them debate it. The ghost of Hitler could referee, and the jury might be the Dodo, the Great Auk, and the Passenger Pigeon. Violence, naked force, has settled more issues in history than has any other factor, and the contrary opinion is wishful thinking at its worst. Breeds that forget this basic truth have always paid for it with their lives and freedoms.”
    Robert Heinlein in “Starship Troopers”

    Strange, isn’t it, that this bit of stark, absolute truth was brought forth in a work of fiction. That fact certainly lends credence to to the saying that ‘fiction has to make sense because facts seldom do.’

  • bobojake

    In my opinon obama has been the school yard bully since his youth and used his training from Frankie to exploit people all his life and blame other people for his actions.
    obama is the most corrupt incompetent person to ever hold the office of the President of the United States. With his training and tactics in ACORN he bankrupt them with corrupt ways and will try to do the same to the United States but will not succeed.
    Sunday was the darkest day in the History of the United States since I was born in 1944, far worst then any wars we were in fighting for freedom, far worst on the lives of ALL Americans then 9-11 was.
    We will not let marxist-socialist democrats destroy the freedom and liberty of our Grandchildren. Nov 2010 and 2012 we WILL REMEMBER at the polls.
    We Americans have come to far in over 200 years to let an incompetent Chicago thug take over OUR NATION

  • joffen

    ..and the founders is that we have ways to address this tyranny. It’s now easy to put ourselves in the founders’ shoes. We know what tyranny is now. Imagine not being able to speak directly with our Congressmen? Imagine if King Obama never made a case to the public, and never needed to? That’s what the founders experienced. They had to one to protest to.
    I completely understand the anger. But we are not at revolution yet because we have proper ways to address this. Imagine not being able to throw these idiots out…ever? Imagine this, and it is easy to see why the Revolution occurred, and why it is not necessary….yet.

  • fairlyspoken

    Republican legislators have more of a responsibility for the violent and uncivilized behavior than Democrats have for bad acts on the left. In modern times, Democrats have not interrupted the State of the Union – not Richard Nixon, Gerald Ford, Ronald Reagan, or either Bush – with shouts of “you lie.” No Democrat in Congress in modern times has cheered hecklers who disrupt House proceedings from the Balcony. No modern Democrat Vice Presidential candidate has put gun sights on web pages targeting elected Republicans.

  • http://beaglescout.wordpress.com Beaglescout

    They will lie about what you did and said. Your video is your defense against Democrat and Democrat media lies.

  • http://www.hakubi.us/ Neil Stevens

    The American way is the peaceful passing of power according to the votes of the sovereign people.

    Do you renounce the use of force to take power in this country? Yes or not.

  • http://www.hakubi.us/ Neil Stevens
  • owise1

    On Powerlineblog.com this morning, John Hinderaker hit the nail on the head when he wrote, “It is important for the Democrats and their press minions to understand that there are many millions of Americans who regard Obamacare not just as misguided public policy, but as an illegitimate usurpation of power. ”

    On a gut level, I’ve understood for some time that there was something fundamentally different about the arguments over Obamacare and other controversial legislation in the past, but I was never quite able to articulate it. I think Mr. Hinderaker said it perfectly. My aversion to this legislation, like that of many (most?) other Americans is much more than a disagreement over policy or process. There have been other policy matters that the government has implemented in the past and about which I very much disagree. The thing that makes this legislation so fundamentally different is that it represents “an illegitimate usurpation of power” by the government. It is this,rather than the policy aspects, that has gotten so many people so angry. The Democrats must realize that they have crossed a dangerous line and take steps to walk back from the edge. If they don’t, they can expect the American people to become increasingly active in the political process, more determined than ever to throw off the yoke of tyranny.

  • jburr

    These are the same people who did not have a word to say when opponents of President Bush wished death or worse on him and his family. Now they have the audacity to whimper about the, hold your breath, threats against some of the most pathetic and destructive people our country has ever had the shame of knowing.

    I am not saying I condone violence but, give me a break, they are peeing down their legs over citizens venting after these same pathetic people have gone against their will and changed American society by stealing some of our freedom.

    I remember a time when a man was a man and if anyone threatened him or his family he would find that person grab him up and slap some sense into him, yet our courageous leaders crawl under a desk, leaving a trail of pee in their wake, at the same time, sending their minions to the microphones crying about someone saying something mean to them. What did they expect?

    We have actually sent these cowards to represent us to the rest of the world. My nine year old has more spine than these sniveling cowards and they are our leaders. They were the kids in elementary school who cried when eliminated in dodge ball and they are supposed to defend us against a hostile world. God help us, these people are afraid of phone calls, what will they do when Iran is pointing a missile at us?

  • TFS

    Hmmm…it seems to me that the Democrats keep using the same playbook over and over again. Here’s a link to a story Michelle Malkin reported in August, 2009:

    http://michellemalkin.com/2009/08/25/fake-hate-crime-alert-leftists-vandalize-denver-democrat-hq-dems-smeared-obamacare-foes/

    Also, remember the Joker Posters of Obama that suddenly appeared in Los Angeles that the right was blamed for? It turns out that it was created by someone on the left.

    Where’s the proof that anyone on the right is doing this? We are innocent until proven guilty.

  • romans12n2

    I live in Orange Co. N.C. A neighboring county to Wake Co. The Wake Co. school board’s most recent election saw a flurry of concerned parents get involved and shifted the balance of power to a 5-4 conservative majority. Wake Co. had emplemted a “diversity policy” that bussed kids all over the county to “promote racial and socio-economic diveristy”. The new R majority board vowed to overturn the policy and it has become a Very heated debate. They have since voted and overturned it, but a couple of weeks ago a former school board member was found dead at the home of a friend. The investigation is still underway and it is still a relatively major story. However her party affiliation has NEVER been mentioned , even on local conservative talk radio. I had to google her to find out myself. It turns out she was a republican political activist. Now, why is it that the possibility that this was a politically motivated crime, has NEVER been mentioned? Would it not be an obvious theory to anyone who reads or hears that a school board member turns up murdered during the most heated debate in recent history? It was my first thought. Do any of you think that if this woman was a Democrat, that the accusation would have been the first and foremost theory being floated by every news org. involved? That being said, It may or may not have been politically motivated. But I would bet the bank that if she had a D beside her name , it would have been run with full blast, true or not !!!!!

  • Locked and Loaded

    is intended to be a double-entendre, mostly on the dialogue side of the coin. I may need to get a new one if I’m going to sound off on topics such as this. I am not plotting when to commit treason – rather – panifully facing an uncertain future.

    What I most believe on this subject is found in the words of Jesus, from Matthew 10:16.

    “Behold, I send you forth as sheep in the midst of wolves: be ye therefore wise as serpents, and harmless as doves.”

  • MojoMan

    Everyone who is angry right now should focus their attention on making changes through the Democratic process. The elections in November 2010 could result in the Republicans taking back the House, which would put the kabash on any further acts like this by Obama and the leftist ideologues that currently control our government. However, it will not be until November 2012 that this outrageous bill can be repealed, as President Obama is not going to cooperate with any such effort. So a new President has to be elected before this can be properly fixed.

    Violence is not an effective way to solve the problems that have been created here. It can only serve to create sympathy for these people, which they clearly do not deserve. In the intermediate term, violence against these people will help the Democrats, and it will not correct any of the wrongs that have been done by the passage of this bill.

    That being sincerely said, I will be somewhat surprised if at least one of the moderate Democrats who voted for this bill is not assassinated as a result of their actions on this matter. It is not desirable for that to occur, and I hope it does not occur. But the anger is so intense and so palpable right now among so many people, that I am concerned that it may not be possible to entirely contain the violent expression of it.

  • littlehouse18
  • dsmurf

    National Guard?

    Just don’t ask me to play nice with my Obama loving buddies, yes there is one left. I rub it in extra good when I as a 45 year old beat someone who is 27, at the end of our Army physical training workout on 400 M run.

  • izoneguy

    It’s not just the young stoners either…..

    On facebook I see many of my “friends” rejoicing over ObamaCare.
    Either they are stoned or have lost too many brain cells to understand what will happen under this travesty.

  • WarEagle01

    As far as I know, none of them condemned the St, Louis attack nor the maiming of the elderly gentleman by a left-wing activist in Thousand Oaks, CA. And heck, think of all the death threats against Republicans and the violent protests during the Bush years. It’s what they go in for, so I’m not sure what they’re complaining about when some people on our side make some cranck phone calls and yell loudly. Our violent types are pikers compared to theirs. For God’s sake, they maim elderly people!

  • http://www.thesubstratum.com GJ Merits

    At least in Oklahoma City, where my brother is a police officer, if you make someone believe you are going to harm them it is assault. If you follow through it is assault AND battery.

  • http://www.hakubi.us/ Neil Stevens

    Fight and win politically.

  • Jack_Savage

    To be perfectly frank, the people attending an average Auburn vs Alabama football game could have taken Iraq in a couple of weeks with just the stuff they had in their closets.

    And the left thinks violent revolution has begun because someone wished Bart Stupak “ill”? Really?

    Violence should be avoided if only for the simple fact that it prevents Democrats from wearing the bloody shirt of victimhood. Of course, the blood won’t be theirs, but you get what I mean.

  • Jack_Savage

    Five arrested I believe? And I guarantee not one of them has a child, much less one that goes to school in Wake County.

  • http://www.hakubi.us/ Neil Stevens

    I’m talking about American domestic politics, not British politics 230 years ago.

    There’s no comparison. In the old British system, Americans had no national right to vote. At all. No influence whatsoever on the Parliament or the King. They. had. no. political. rights.

    We have full civil rights in this country. Use them! Don’t start looking for excuses to tear them up!

  • joffen

    I’m worried that there are some people that feel they have no other recourse. I can sympathize, and I also would not be surprised either. The options we have right now are very limited. We tried every single avenue available to us. The only option we have left is our vote, but that is months away. We tried peaceful protest, we called our Congress, we begged, pleaded, and shouted for them not to do this. What other choice is there, short of voting in November?

  • littlehouse18

    Perhaps since this bill affects (hurts) everyone much more personally than that previous legislation, perhaps there is more hope.

  • http://www.hakubi.us/ Neil Stevens

    And those Marxists certainly were dangerous.

  • Section9

    Remember, kids, Eric and Neil understand what the Left’s real objectives are-a One Party State with all opposition to their rule muzzled. That’s why this post is important.

  • Jack_Savage

    Never fall asleep in a public place at a university, it seems.

  • Common_Cents

    The left has the wildly violent people. Look at history. But they have learned to achieve their goals w/ a suit and a tie, rather than sandals, headbands, and car bombs.

    They are begging for the right to be violent for the “see, I told you so!” They are great at being victims and they still have the MSM komrades on their side.

  • janis

    and who just started working a new job, so she doesn’t have insurance. She asked her mom if, now that this thing passed, she could get health insurance again. Her mother told her, “Yes, honey, in 2013 when you are free again.” I also informed her mother that, while the pre-existing thing may be addressed, the fact that this bill doesn’t require insurance companies to cap the limits on what they can charge for coverage for pre-existing conditions renders it moot.

  • archer52

    Sorry about the long post, but I needed to say it.
    ——–

    The fact the left has placed into the public conversations incidents they know are lies means then intended to do this all the time. They knew people were going to explode, and when they didn’t, the left tried to create “explosions”.

    Beck is going nuts trying to push the peaceful option in this debate, as we all should, but the expected results he hopes to get will not occur.

    People who are intent on ruling other people DO NOT CARE about those other people or their feelings or their opinion, or their welfare. They hope you?ll think they do, but it isn’t part of the equation that gets them where they need to go. Their “outrage” is as fake as their complaints.

    Everybody who hasn?t should read about Mao’s China. He had created an amazing system of discouraging, harassing, and destroying people through the use of the media and his political connections. These people we are dealing with studied him and, in some cases, adore him.

    They also cut their teenage and young adult teeth on the sixties revolution. Either they were directly involved or they were teachers of the people who are now in power. I know this period; I was about eight years behind them in age and spent a lot of time watching the events unfold. Even back then, as a youngster I was saying “What is wrong with those idiots?” (Do a little youtube search and look at some of the riots back then if you are too young to remember.)

    Where Beck and others are going wrong is in two areas. One, he cites the peaceful revolution of MLK’s civil rights agenda. It was hardly peaceful if you ask anyone from that era, but to the victors goes the writing of history. My dad and his family lived both in Chicago and the south so we saw all sides of the events. Civil unrest or the threat of civil unrest made many people acquiesce to the demands of MLK and his followers. In addition, at the same time MLK?s protests began to gain momentum, the radical left, the people we see now in power, were also involved in their protests and all of you know those were not always peaceful. A nation can take only so much unrest. It was a very troubled time for our country.

    Two- He and others want to say that the left lost because they were marginalized by their actions. Nothing could be farther from the truth. They won. And on top of that they were forgiven, brought into the fold and allowed to continue their destructive behavior, albeit in a different fashion by infiltrating schools, universities, churches and the workplace. Their method may have changed, but their end game has not. In fact, they not only won they changed the direction of the nation for the next forty years and are now perched on the edge of their final victory.

    Do you know what I think they are really worried about? They are worried about thousands of men and women marching down streets, arms locked and blocking traffic, or having sit-ins and disrupting government. They are worried they will see a 21st century version of the draft card burning protests as an all out battle begins to rage between the government they once hated but NOW control and the people that used to control the government but are now the ?revolutionaries?. They know how effective that is, they know they will lose, they know their bull-s**t theories, promises, and lies cannot stand up to that kind of civil disobedience. They also are very willing to use whatever methods they can to dissuade you and if that doesn?t work, punish you for acting out. They know they may have many members scattered out among the ideologues, true believers and ?useful idiots?, but they also know that layer is paper thin. The vast majority of Americans will not stand to be fleeced forever.

    Why do you think they floated that DHS letter last year? Why do you think they are plenty happy to hire 16,000 new IRS agents and beef up the ones they already have. Why have they already tried to paint you as violent? (Again, read Mao. So much of what is reality is really perception.) They learned their lesson back then about power and how to use it. In addition, you think November will help. Yes, in the elections where there are huge gaps our guys will win. But in the close ones, in states controlled by the democratic party, I?ll bet lunch you?ll see repeats of Minnesota and Washington. You?ll howl but it won?t matter. Then what are you going to do? You play fair, they don?t and they know that.

    So, although I agree with Erick that peaceful methods are what we should try, I do not expect that the left will care one way or the other. It is like being robbed by someone in your home. You think if you get them a glass of milk and be nice, they might be nice in return. But in reality, they will drink the milk, steal the glass, and still rob you. They aren?t there for the milk; they are there to take your money.

    It is what it is. Read the book. www.revoltthebook.com

  • janis

    If you truly went to sleep at public place at a university, I guess you are lucky that that’s ALL you woke up with! As to the subject you addressed, from listening to a recent radio show about the subject, this is what they want to put in the National ID cards– a thin thread or chip smaller than a grain of sand or thinner than a human hair that will contain all of our personal info.

    It makes me want to vomit to think that we have come to this point.

  • http://www.hakubi.us/ Neil Stevens

    Are you really comparing the present situation with that of some fantasy scenario of a US-USSR joint conspiracy?

  • Jack_Savage

    This is rapidly going from 1984 to Animal Farm.

  • littlehouse18

    As soon as I heard the lies about the ‘racial slurs’ last weekend on the radio, I emailed the radio station with a scathing letter (you see, I was at the Capitol myself). There was a little back and forth where the news director claimed there was proof. Then, yesterday, to my great surprise, I got this from him:

    “I?ve investigated this situation further. The video that I thought provided evidence that these events occurred, did NOT provide conclusive evidence. I WAS WRONG to say that it did. I neither have proof that it did happen, nor is there proof (that I?ve seen) that proves that it didn?t happen. I know that there?s a 48 second video on YouTube during which no one is heard uttering racial epithets, but I think that we?d agree that that?s no exactly proof that nothing happened. It?s only :48 out of a much longer event and the typical microphone on a digital video camera/cell phone camera isn?t reliable when it comes to picking up individual voices in a crowd.) I simply don?t know what happened. Our weekend newscasts are provided by 2 outside vendors (ABC and M etro Networks.) I will discuss the issue with them. Like most other media outlets, we jumped the gun.”

    Could be a little better, but a big improvement. I had to educate him gently about “innocent until proven guilty”.

    Always refute by using the truth strongly and immediately. I’ve found in the past that it is effective. Don’t let them get the upper hand in perpetuating these lies and distortions.

  • Common_Cents

    Talk about disgusting. The most powerful man in the world, a victim. Shows how pathetic things can get.

  • JoeG

    The line is when someone refuses to vacate an office they are removed voted out of, or ignores the separation of powers. For example, if the supreme court tosses part of obamacare but the executive ignores the court anyway.

    I believe that line is in line with the website management. As long as we are behaving like a republic, we use the constitutional means to win politically.

  • Doc Holliday

    I would say gunfire is worse than a brick.
    MSM, DNC, and Drudge are behind this firestorm, they are using it for ratings (Drudge) and to hurt Republicans. I
    agree with all you say Erick but will ad a VERY high likelihood of false flag operations. The left and race baiters have do this all the time.

  • http://www.thesubstratum.com GJ Merits

    From a strictly psychological point of view, frustration is relieved in many ways. Frustration and anger is more ways. Frustration, anger, and a feeling of helplessness are a very dangerous combination. Add to that worry about the future (yours, your parents, children, etc) and you add anxiety into the mix. This can spin into depression, even psychotic depression, or aggravate unstable mood disorders, or other neurosis. These are the first to spin out of control. The point of now return that I keep reading about is the point where normal people have had it.

    So I understand the anger and I fear the direction it could take. That is why it is so critical right now that our leaders in the GOP show us progress and the fighting spirit. Give us something to cheer about. Be statesmen and leaders, not wimps. Follow through on your promises no matter how hard it is or how painful the consequences may be. Lead. Fight. Obstruct. Win.

    People will project their hope onto good leaders and statesmen and in the process lose their sense of helplessness. This will go a long way to diverting the flow of resentment and misdirected passions. Don’t go wobbly on us now – or ever.

    DeMint is a good example. For a bad example, look at McConnell and Cornyn. In the House, Paul Ryan seems to be a good up and comer. Are there others – sure. Can any of them turn out to be typical pols – you bet. It’s time to separate the wheat from the chaff.

  • http://www.hakubi.us/ Neil Stevens

    A great many of the pro-revolution comments here at RS, as well as being hurled against Democrats in DC, are being staged. There’s no doubt about that.

  • Jack_Savage

    Actually, I am trying to find something that I disagree with.

  • Wes_W

    The Easter recess starts soon, the Dems couldnt fade all the heat from last summers town halls. I believe at this point they can use the so called “threats” as a reason to not hold any meetings. The “omg they are angry” was not a good excuse, the “omg I might get hurt” is a good one.

  • http://www.redstate.com/tnjim TNJim

    These allegations with little or no proof of racial slurs against the CBC members got me thinking exactly along those lines. With a compliant media in tow they have all the tools they need to set this up.

    BTW, I’ve not seen from this same media much in the way of denouncing the thu… protesters in Canada threatening violence against Ann Coulter, should she have given a speech there. Just an observation…

  • Bill S
  • izoneguy

    Ten years ago I sold my business.
    Started a new one and could not get health insurance.
    After being denied by several companies, the last insurance
    agent told me about the Texas Health Risk Pool.
    I got covered and it pays for my $16,000 a year medicines
    I need. Of course it is expensive but not outrageous.
    My wife and kids are on another policy with a high deductable.
    And last year my wife broke her ankle. We had to pay $10,000
    before the insurance kicked in. But the care she received was world class. What do all these ObamaCare supporters think they are going to get? They will still have to buy insurance. Even if they get in a government pool it will cost them something. If they are that poor then they would qualify for Medicaid anyway. Look for doctors to keep cutting Medicaid patients. Doctors will just not accept anymore patients by 2014. Watch. I imagine doctors groups will form an new alliance with the GOP and will fund a huge campaign to repeal ObamaCare. They have to. Their future (and ours) depends on it.

  • http://www.thesubstratum.com GJ Merits

    Democrat Rep: Sniffle, sniffle – those bad, mean, bible and gun clinging Tea Baggers are just big meanies and want to kill me.

    Whispers in a staffers ear: Hey, get the new guy on our staff to call in a death threat. Make sure he threatens to kill my dog. People like dogs, don’t they? Oh, and don’t forget to pay that guy in Texas to hang an effigy of me and use it for target practice. And for God’s sake, don’t screw it up this time and make sure CNN is there to film it. We need video man!

  • melissatx

    shot at….it is a no brainer who the violent ones are.

  • littlehouse18

    What if we held silent protests?

  • Right Reason

    I am doing nothing of the sort.

    If I may ask you a pointed question:
    Are you absolutely sure that force will never be necessary?

  • izoneguy

    Rep. Cantor’s Richmond Campaign Office Shot at Overnight

    http://www.foxnews.com/politics/2010/03/25/rep-cantors-richmond-campaign-office-shot-overnight/

  • http://www.hakubi.us/ Neil Stevens

    When he says all that and then concludes it to a link to a book like that, I have a hard time taking any of it seriously.

  • Adrian

    only the Republicans have been subjected to it so far:

    http://www.foxnews.com/politics/2010/03/25/rep-cantors-richmond-campaign-office-shot-overnight/

    Compared to this, a little office vandalism isn’t worth a mention.

    The shooter was probably not a Tea Party activist…doubt they’d target Cantor. Just saying.

    But you’re right. We should keep taking the high road because it’s worked so well so far.

  • http://www.hakubi.us/ Neil Stevens

    You won’t see me supporting force unless revolutionaries of any stripe try to take my country from me.

  • Bill S

    now that I look at it, I see that the book is fiction.

    I believe the author of that comment is saying “I hope it doesn’t happen, but I won’t be surprised if it does, based on past history”

  • proudgop

    1. Acts of violence are uncalled for but lets be honest they are usually always done by liberals

    2. The Dems are only using this as political tactic ( I don’t believe anything they say) and its funny the DNC just sent out an email asking for money citing these violent tactics. I remember all the crap they did to Bush during his presidency and they were a lot more violent

  • jederrick

    Formally we do have a representative form of government, however..

    The majority of americans did not (do not) support the current legislation, but it was passed anyway.. We can vote them out, but the damage has already been done.

    Executive orders are made to establish change when voted down by our legislative bodies anyway.. (EPA labeling CO2 as a pollutant for example)

    Bail-out of GM & Chrysler resulted in the THEFT of wealth directly from Americans (retirees, investors, and you) by violating standard bankruptcy law when bondholders were violated and unions were paid-off.

    There are countless other examples where the rule of law (Constitution and Bill of Rights have been trampled). The American colonists were British subjects and considered themselves British. They revolted when the British government no longer honored the protections and rights that their founding documents availed. Why did the British government do this? Because they wanted more money (taxes) and they were arrogant.

    So where is the difference?

  • redcometchar2010

    I will answer Neil right here and now. I wholeheartedly reject violence as a means to achieve our political ends. We still have rights, namely the right to vote and we shall make our grievances fully known in November. Until then we have to keep fighting politically, not physically. I always believed that whoever picks up weapons first loses the argument no matter the merits. Remember, the truth is on OUR side not theirs and in the end we shall prevail.

    “Our federal Union: It must be preserved!”-Andrew jackson

  • PaulT

    Repeal of this BS bill is a pipedream that will never happen, especially as several provisions designed to build support from the ?dependency class? go into effect immediately.

    I spent 34 years in Washington as a journalist/lobbyist and have watched the erosion of our liberties incrementally disappear as the nanny state grew. Both sides of aisle are responsible for this erosion. Despite the outcry from the public on issues, politicians keep getting reelected because they know their constituents would rather ?deal with the enemy they knew than the enemy they don?t.? They know the public has a short memory, and a return to personal priorities in their own day-to-day lives. Six months is an eternity in politics that can erase any displeasure with their elected representatives.

    This nation is also suffers from a monetary addiction. Politicians know that they have a responsibility to bring the ?bacon? home in the form of earmarks. Take note of how many politicians run ads for reelection and feature how much money they have brought back to their district/state. That?s why so many republicans refuse to sign any pledge to give up on earmarks.

    There is a well-known political adage that applies to all levels of government…?I put 51% of my constituency on the public payroll or the public dole and I will never be thrown out of office?. After all, what idiot would vote against the hand that feeds them. I am afraid we are at the threshold of that eventuality.

    If the objectors to this legislation and the socialist trend of this administration are to be successful this Nov, they need to recruit solid conservative candidates willing to subject themselves to an onslaught of leftist hatred and media bias. These candidates need to begin their campaigns within the next 60-90 days, before the enthusiasm of the tea partiers, etc, subsides, and it will once their cause fades into history. They need to develop a message of broad conservative values and a return to self-determination and reverse the trend toward redistribution of wealth and growth of the ?dependency class?. Above all else, these candidates need to demonstrate they will stand up to Pres Obama, and his minions in Congress and the leftist special interests in Washington.

    These candidates also need to commit to changing their own leadership in cases where their leadership seek to compromise with opponents in order to achieve bi-partisan support. Obamacare proved there is no such thing as ?bi-partisan compromise.? and no such thing as ?blue dog?, ?anti-abortion? democrats. The public will support ?strong leadership.? This may mean changing the seniority rules as to who will occupy leadership positions, but they need to demonstrate they are ready to lead…lead with authority and compassion.

  • Scope

    There is no question that the leftists want to paint the opposition as being violent. They will try to attain their goals of proving the Republicans and Tea Party people to be the bad guys by supplanting subversives wherever crowds of peaceful activists congregate. They are stalinists, and will stop at nothing.

    Take a camera to every event you attend. When you see any questionable antics, take many pictures. Get the faces on film. Then we can prove that it is the radical other side doing the violence. We must document everything.

    Interestingly it seems to have been a Cleaver staffer walking in front of him that filmed the so called spitting incident. There is no other proof. There was no spitting on his staffers film, and, no face of anyone who supposedly did it. You know he would not have dropped the charges if it was true, or if he had proof.

  • dsmurf

    as warm a reception as if someone wore a southern Cal shirt to an Auburn vs Alabama game. Its bad enough feeling like an alien in GA woring such an item.

    If you ever go to a southern Cal game don’t trust anyone if they offer a security fee of a couple of bucks. Find a new parking lot or watch it at home.

  • Right Reason

    You asked in an earlier reply for a yes or no answer, but your own answer is yes, unless.

    That is my answer as well.

    It’s not as though we should be planning battle strategies, but I’m not going to criticize anyone for wondering, “what if. . .”.

    As long as we have the ballot box, there should be no need for anything more. If we do not win with an honest ballot box, then our failure is due to ourselves, not others. My actions are solely in this regard, but sometimes one cannot help but let one’s mind wander.

  • constitutionalconservative

    If Liberals think they can shred the Constitution and put an even bigger burden on those who are already paying far too much without any consequence, then they are sadly mistaken.

    We should be civil, we should condemn violence, but when you destroy the American dream, you have to be prepared that not everyone you hurt is going to act in a way we might approve of.

  • Scope

    and the author clearly states that out of all these protests, and, all the “Kill Bush” signs, hangings, and everything else, there were only ever a very few who were ever even investigated. Of the few arrests, they were never even people at protests and rallies. For example, the guy that stood in front of the fence at the WH, and taped some sort of explosives to the fence was arrested.

    Now, with the wimpy Dems, if you say “kill the bill” you are removed and investigated. The gas line cut incident at the home of Perriello’s brother, here in Charlottesville, was immediately blamed on the Tea Party people by Perriello. It is under investigation by the FBI and local police. No determination has been made of who did it, or why.

  • janis

    get shut down with no complaints from the other side. She’s the wrong persuasion, you know, and everything’s fair on that count. That’s what just fries my bacon, Jim, the fact that the standards for the other side are so low while we are expected to behave as the sterling characters that we are and not point out the hypocrisy.

    Good thing so many of us have taken the pledge with Moe to misbehave. And I shall remember to say, “Please” and “Thank you” whilst doing so.

  • theagent

    The Godless Marxist political harlots who passed ObamaCare should pray for repeal of their monstrous new law, because if one penny of my money is used for abortions then it’s time for open rebellion against our present government. If we allow our taxes to be used to murder the unborn, then we have lost our souls. Have Americans inherited any of the character which our founding fathers possessed? We’ll soon know. The instant my money is used to pay for abortions, it will be time to do some aborting ourselves. It may not be time for rebellion yet, but I personally am not interested in getting along and playing nice until then. After all, the democrats have ignored us up to now at their own peril. If they have received threats, then I prefer to look at those threats as warnings of things to come, and I despise any lilly-livered so-called conservative who is worried about appearances. “Oh my, look what the liberal press is saying about us.” The MSM will be on the target list as well as those who enacted this godless law.

  • http://www.hakubi.us/ Neil Stevens

    I won’t fire the first shot.

  • http://charlemagne-the-hammer.blogspot.com/ DerKrieger

    they might ban you

    Here at Hot Air, we don?t tolerate threats of violence against either ourselves, other commenters, or elected representatives, nor do we tolerate calls for the overthrow of the American government by force. Those who indulge in that behavior will find their commenting privileges revoked without warning. We are a site devoted to engagement in the American political system, not a discussion board for militia movements, plenty of which exist elsewhere for those who want to participate in those discussions. If you choose to violate our terms of service, don?t bother e-mailing when your commenting privileges get revoked, because we?re not going to get into e-mail debates about it.

  • http://www.thesubstratum.com GJ Merits

    Read this: http://tinyurl.com/yj885oq

    I think what this person is trying to say is that there are concepts – such as non-violence – and then there is human nature – which is violent. A concept is ephemeral and a construct of the abstract thinking mind. Violence resides in the reptilian part of the brain. Can tendencies to violence be overcome – absolutely. Does everyone have a breaking point – absolutely.

    To deny the fact that human nature is violent is to deny an actual fact. That does not mean that using the concept of non-violence is not a workable solution, just that history indicates the stronger tendency is towards violence. I can only think of MLK and Gandhi as leaders who successfully used non-violence to meet political goals and they used is precisely because they understood their opponents would use violence. In short, they understood human nature.

    Yes, I do renounce violence. No, I don’t believe that just because I wish it to be so it won’t happen. Look around the world. If the social contract that creates a civilization here ever collapses – think of the hyperinflation of Zimbabwe, then I would bet a thousand goats (money will be worthless) that violence will be the norm and not the exception.

    We truly rest on a house of cards as the post linked above demonstrates. It is an illusion to believe the floor beneath our feet is solid and thick. It is not. To stop the slide into insanity we must be willing to do the hard work that may involve more than relying on lawyers, judges, and federal politicians from saving us. It may be hard work, but it is non-violent in nature. If nothing works in the end and the politicians and judges let us down and ObamaCare and let’s say for the sake of argument, cap-and-trade, card check, and throw in gun control and a Sedition Act pass, what would you do?

    Oldphart (great name) is just implicitly flipping the question back to you, except he really needs to add the caveat that he is missing. In extremis of complete loss of liberty and constitutional law will you embrace use of force to take power back in this country?

    Before you jump down my throat, this is a question that involves an extreme that I do not believe we are even near yet. I am merely asking you if you have a breaking point, or think you have a breaking point? Our founders certainly did and I would like to hear the argument of why we today would not. Again, it is just a question that ties in well with the post I link to. It is a query. Others feel free to chime in as well.

  • nessa

    Maybe I read too many of Kenny’s posts but the concerted effort to blow these minor and common incidents out of proportion strikes me as manufacturing an excuse for a further restriction of our Creator bestowed rights. Namely the Second Amendment. That’s not crossing the rubicon, that’s seizing the Senate and installing an Emperor.

  • http://UnitedConservativesofVirginia Cargosquid

    is also not a good excuse. If one cannot back up one’s decision with physical bravery, than they need to get “out of the kitchen.”

    We have enough Americans putting THEIR lives on the line. Its time for Congress to grow a collective spine.

  • http://UnitedConservativesofVirginia Cargosquid

    That IS the question, isn’t it?

  • donnybrooke

    Vassar or Neil,

    Since it appears that there is some evidence that the window smasher (see above comments) did have a “democratic” background, is there any evidence that has been presented that indicates that the “conservative, tea-party” side has actually incited or threatened violence against any member of congress or democratic party institution? Or is it merely name-calling, as presented in the Stupak voice mail?

    Forgive me, I’m at work and cannot follow the news.

    Thank you.

  • momma

    http://bit.ly/90CRaH

    And have been for quite some time. Our taxes are already used to pay directly for abortions.

  • Jack_Savage

    But as Bill S noted above, the book is fiction. As is “Altas Shrugged” and “1984″….

  • Right Reason

    Makes me think of my mom (nice to have a pleasant memory in the midst of all this). In any boyhood scrap, ragardless of the circumstances or outcome, the first question was always the same, “Who threw the first punch?”. And you’d better have had the correct answer!

  • littlehouse18

    On Saturday, protesters expected to go visit Congressional offices after the initial rally. Instead, they were locked out of the Congressional office buildings, and were reduced to thousands chanting “Let us in. Let us in” in front of Rayburn. It was an incredible thing to see, and reminded me of protests in Poland. Ultimately only a very few were ‘allowed’ to visit their Congressman’s office.

  • http://UnitedConservativesofVirginia Cargosquid

    One may discount the book, but the ideas presented in his post are sensible. What is it that he got wrong?

  • http://hillbillypolitics.com Steph C

    Hint, hint. Nudge, nudge.

  • donnybrooke

    “I can only think of MLK and Gandhi as leaders who successfully used non-violence to meet political goals and they used is precisely because they understood their opponents would use violence. In short, they understood human nature.” – GJ Merits

    I think that they both understood the societies that they lived in.
    They both realized that the basic concepts of liberty and freedom present in the British and American societies would, in the end, make their campaigns successful. The violence used by the British and the US was not over-bearing. Ghandi and MLK would not have succeeded in Stalinist Russia, or Maoist China.

  • texasgalt

    They’ll get the Canada treatment.

    Oh, you stepped on a rusty nail. . . take a number . . . 5 hours later . . . Sorry, we have run out of tetnus shots. Come back next Friday.

  • http://pocketchangeproductions.net/ anotherindyfilmguy

    Although violence (or the threat of) does sometimes resolve petty disputes like chasing the neighbors dog out of the garden or resolving some minor international social issues from 1939-1945 it is often used in the past as a manufactured pretext for grabbing more control/power is the goal of the Dems.

    On the one hand the Dems are getting what they paid for for going against the will of a free people – but on the other hand how much is authentic versus overblown or manufactured incidents? Some Dems are already asking for more police protection etc now. How long is it before the “O” orders a full blown investigation into all threats based on politics as the new “hate crime” and institutes a “war on hate crimes”?

    The law of unintended consequences seems to have a way of biting everyone in the ass at some time or another…

  • http://www.thesubstratum.com GJ Merits

    A good leader must read the times very well to know what will and will not work. I believe Gandhi and MLK both were smart enough to read the tea leaves. They would have been squashed in Stalinist Russia or Maoist China. In those cases, running was probably the best policy, while in other cases in history, fighting was the best policy. It really does depend on the times. Good point.

  • texasgalt

    They are desperate to shut off the debate and change the subject from what they just did.

    Donks: It will not work. We ARE coming for you . . . not with a bullet but with ballot.

  • SoulEspresso

    n/t

  • http://thesandsinstitute.org Vassar Bushmills

    …but I don’t know of an iota of evidence linking Tea Party, conservatives, or Republicans with any email, phone call, incident, spit or use of any word.

    I wrote about this earlier today, “Homey don’t play dat”. Sounds like stooges.

  • hotspur

    Obama and the Dems go to the MSM to get cover for when something goes wrong. One of our chef objectives needs to be dismantling the MSM as we know it. We need to discredit them by focusing on their lying and bias. The public is too unaware of the treachery and we need to expose it. Some enterprising wealthy conservative needs to fund a month-long TV-special on media bias. That way, people will at least talk about it over the watercooler.

  • http://www.thesubstratum.com GJ Merits

    I’m actually quite amazed at the writer’s keen perception, although I disagree a little with his MLK analogy. MLK himself preached non-violence. Those around him sometimes listened and sometimes did not. That does not negate a non-violent approach. But the writer does show how the funnel is directing the force towards a logical conclusion that may not be non-violent. I’ll need to think about this a bit. I don’t want to think the liberals are that smart, but maybe they are. Very good post with good points. I would have left the link off though as it does give you a credibility issue, but the arguments themselves stand up well on their own, so I guess it was not too bad an oversight.

  • http://pocketchangeproductions.net/ anotherindyfilmguy

    Violence, as a tool can be used by both sides both in the use of it as force and the over use or fear of it as an effective propaganda tool to paint the opponents as less worthy of their goals etc and as a rallying point for opposition. Keep this in mind whenever investigations against the violent on the left are mysteriously dropped while accusations by the left against empty or manufactured threats increase.

    Calls for violence here, or in any open forum, will only be showcased by the left to give weight to their calls for more “protection” and “investigations of sedition” etc. Violence on the part of the government or leftist activists will be portrayed in the light of suppressing lawbreakers and victimhood of loyal party members etc. If they are allowed to get away with this it will only add to the pressure cooker of the situation as many feel more and more that they are truly seeing the end of liberty and an era and feel much more helpless and angered at that.

    Not much of this trend (either way) bodes well for the future unless the worst of it can be forestalled before voting out the dems (if possible) and repealing the takeover etc. Eventually the pendulum will swing the other way, the question is how long and how hard will things get before then…

    As for “how insane is it to contemplate violence etc” last night for a bit I picked up the history of civilization the volume about “The Age of Napoleon” and read over the section about the terrors in France and was chilled at how much that presaged the death and destruction brought about by desperate people in desperate times by both sides of the spectrum of politics and religion. Nothing is ever certain, especially what the next day or week or month may bring. Every society that has fallen in the past thought they were “to civilized” for such horrendous actions to overtake them. The truth is they were to civilized to resist such actions.

  • SoulEspresso

    MLK especially depended on the media to show what kind of people his opponents were. If they had failed him, his movement would have failed. People saw what was happening on that bridge, for example, and were appalled. They might still have been racists up North watching, but no one could countenance what Bull Conner was doing.

    Since we can’t count on the media to tell the truth unless forced, we have to use our own equipment and means. We can show them to be liars and cowards–and have.

    The First Amendment is a cat that cannot be put back in the bag without shutting off the Internet.

  • http://www.hakubi.us/ Neil Stevens
  • Adrian

    …Otherwise, I believe a tipping point will be reached. The Declaration of Independence described it as a ?long train of abuses and usurpations?. How long is the train now?”

    The whole line reads:

    But when a long train of abuses and usurpations, pursuing invariably the same object evinces a design to reduce them under absolute despotism, it is their right, it is their duty, to throw off such government, and to provide new guards for their future security.

  • eastbaylarry

    Let’s all remember that those angriest about this bill are the pure socialists/communists who are screaming that it did not go far enough.

  • http://www.thesubstratum.com GJ Merits

    But it requires that state legislature and you and your governor to stand up. It’s called nullification and I won’t back down from presenting this as an option. The Tenth Amendment Center (www.tenthamendmentcenter.com) is chocked full of excellent articles by very intelligent scholars concerning this matter, so to just call it dumb is to forfeit the debate.

    Get the book “The Politically Incorrect Guide To the Constitution”. Fact check it as you read to ensure you are not being lead astray. You will you are not and, when complete, will see exactly how we got to where we are, how many of our founders saw it coming over 200 years ago after the debacle of the Marshall Court, and how to address the issues that face us. I thought the book would be boring. It’s so fun to read I could not put it down and finished my first pass in just two days.

  • SoulEspresso

    The media is a bigger problem that the left. As someone above noted, perception is reality for a lot of people.

  • eastbaylarry

    Why doesn’t the MSM report these as acts of ‘Revolutionary Communists’?

  • eastbaylarry

    The real problem is what Joe Average hears on the 6:00 news. As long as that information is heavily slanted towards the administration and the democrats, the socialization of America can and will continue unabated.

    The problem is the MSM has already given up on capitalist priciples in favor of promoting their socialist friends. The falling ratings of the MSM SHOULD have caused them to change course, but it didn’t. They are no longer interested in making a profit, only in pushing the agenda.

  • dwells

    In talking to people from different sides of the aisle and mentioning all the historic abuses and violence from leftists the one counter argument I keep getting is Timothy McVeigh, who pretty much is the embodiment of what the left sees conservatives and tea party people as today.

    When you need a boogie man and can’t find one, you can always invent one and this is where all the talk of racism, violence and the such from the left has come from. Poking sticks into the ribs of animals just looking to be left alone causes them to jump up and bite you. Demonize your opponents on one hand, create a self referencing and self fulfilling prophecy on the other. It’s tactics.

    Violence can only ever be used in defense and as the absolute last resort, our offense is the rule of law and adherence to tradition and principle otherwise we discredit everything the founders worked for. No matter how much vitriol exists, or frustration or anything we must be the flagbearers of the rule of law. Anyone being reactionary enough to want to jump the gun all too literally do us no good at all, and should be pitched out and marginalized.

    In the end, remember that the left operates with an ideology that isn’t self perpetuating, it needs a functional system, functional people to leech onto. It cannot exist on its own and thus is limited to what it can leech or what it is given. Give it nothing and you go a long way to minimizing what it can actually do.

  • cookcountyconservative

    we’re still wating for something on that one – aren’t we Moe?

  • http://UnitedConservativesofVirginia Cargosquid

    But I thought it better to post it as a diary. I noticed that most here are not decrying violence, per se, but inappropriate violence. So what should be appropriate violence?

    I did not know if my lengthy post might be a thread jack.

  • gremlin1974

    Violence on the revolutionary scale will be the true signal that America has been lost. Because America is government by the people for the people, when the people have to fight the government with violence and or open warfare then that is the end of America as we know it. People use the argument that america was “created” by violence and to a certain extent they are correct, but that is not what America was meant to be or to become. Our forefathers used violence to gain freedom, freedom from taxation, freedome of religion, freedom of speech, and all the other freedoms that they put in that little document that changed the world. They did these things so that we could live in a country without violence, without troops marching in our streets to control the population and gather the unfair taxes, without government opression, and so that we could live in a country where the people could be heard and make their will known without violence. That is America, or at least my vision of what those patriots and hero’s of old wanted.

    I have served my country in the armed forces and have been a nurse for more than 10 years. I have no aversion to violence if it is necessary to protect myself, my family, my home, my friends, or my country but using it against our own govenment THAT is what would destroy America. We have weapons that do not require violence, these weapons were granted to us by those hero’s of old because that knew risk of a return to the system of government that they lived under, the main weapon is called a VOTE. I am a nurse and I have heard the outrage of our patients about this healthcare takeover, I have felt the fear about what it may mean for my profession, and every time I have heard those complaints my answer is the same…..VOTE. I know more people who are more than willing to complain, but can’t be bothered to take an hour to vote. They will scream for revolution, risk treason, and decry our government, but they will not fill out a single page form and go push a button or punch a card.

    I know from my time in the military about using the weapons that are given to you so I also know how insane it is go ignore the use of the main weapon meant for the job at had….VOTE, but not only that encourage others to vote, carpool to vote, heck rent a bus and take people to vote, but VOTE.

    I have a good idea for a movement we can try to start, in the military you have a battle buddy, use the same principle when going to vote, just think if conseratives who vote took one other conserative who doesn’t usually vote to vote with them, just think of what we can do, we can use the weapon we were given to take back America and run NO RISK of losing it.

    I will stand against any Army that tries to take america, even if that army is sent by our own government, but until then I will use the weapon that I was given, as a gift by men who were forced to use violence and wanted to try to ensure that you did not have to use violence, I will VOTE and I will try to find someone else to take with me to VOTE.

    Thank you for reading
    Mike

    P.S. My comments are not directed at any of the above posters nor am I trying to imply anything, I just wanted to express my thoughts on the current rash of threats and indeed violence against members of our government.

  • wgsampson

    exactly what Erick has said here. I think Boehner already condemned the violent emails, etc… But, they must add, that their has been no condemnation by the left of the shooting at Eric Cantor’s office. There has also been nothing said about the union thuggery at townhall meetings last summer. Someone should also note that there is physical evidence of all of the criminal actions of the left. If people are getting threatening phone calls and emails, those can be traced. Republicans should demand that those responsible by held to account. They should also demand regular updates on the investigations. I figure, after most of the threats are found to be bogus, the story will go away.

  • joayn

    against them. I mean absolutely no offense to any of the people there, it was a protest afterall, but at some point we have to be more resourceful and thoughtful in our reactions to the opposition.

    Nancy’s defiant and arrogant walk-through was an obvious photo-op moment meant to give the middle finger to all the protesters. If, at every point the Dems passed through the crowd, the protesters became immediately silent and just stared at them as they walked through, now that would have been impactful.

    Imagine, a totally silent massive crowd just watching these fools walking through them, laughing it up (or trying to) for all the world to see. And even better, if the crowd turned their backs on the jackels in a shunning, slient protest, how dramatic would that have been?

    If these congressmen/women, their families, their friends, and their supporters were silently shunned, as they all should be, I think that would be much more effective in conveying the message: You. Are. Not. Wanted. Here.

  • http://www.thesubstratum.com GJ Merits

    The culmination was Wallace standing in the doorway blocking African American students from entering the building. He was on the wrong moral side and his own NG turned on him and were going to remove him until he capitulated on his own. Some say this was the last nail in the coffin of state’s rights.

    The same techniques can be used for a non-violent nullification movement or civil disobedience movement to destroy ObamaCare, not through the courts or the federal politicians, but through the people. This will make a much stronger statement and put DC on notice they are not longer the ones with power. And no violence would be required. Results with no violence from our side. Sounds good to me.

  • wgsampson

    It is what is already happenning. If we take to the streets and march arm in arm in a peacful demonstration behind the banner of freedom, then we become the heirs of MLK’s legacy. Let the government turn fire hoses on us and put us in jail for peaceful civil disobedience. The parallels would be undeniable.

  • rick554

    Lead…..Follow….or get the Hell outta the way!

  • oldphart

    renounce the use of force to take power in this country. That doesn’t mean I’m going to start shooting ongresscritters or liberals in general but it does mean that I don’t want tham to feel completely safe either.

  • teresakoch

    It seems to me that the country toddled along just fine. We don’t really NEED Congress to run the country….

  • Jack_Savage

    I endured the Miami / FSU / UF rivalry as a fan of FSU. I would walk miles to a game rather than park my car near a stadium, but I did like to wear my stuff in enemy territory.

    Come the think of it, the Dems are going through a FRIENDLY day at rival stadium….

  • http://beaglescout.wordpress.com Beaglescout

    Use your own video camera. You have to have backup because the media is not neutral. The media is hostile. They cannot be trusted.

  • Jack_Savage
  • momma

    n/t

  • jccbin

    I shall not strike the first blow, however.

    It is WHY we have the second amendment to the Constitution. The government MUST fear the people will kill them if they stray. Our problem is that we, as a nation, have not, in the past, USED our second amendment rights against our tyrannical government of the 1900s and since.

    Of course they expect us to kowtow to their whims, we always have.

  • obladioblada

    there is a pretty good probability that these criminal acts were partisan guerrilla tactics by the left, done to discredit opponents of the HCR. We’ve seen this time and again with Dem operatives vandalizing Dem HQs, minorities planting racial threats to incite backlash and the garden variety mobies in comment sections. It’s a tried and true method to discredit opponents and it’s taught in the usual leftist agitprop schools.

    There haven’t been any arrests yet. There’s no telling if this is leftist street theater, angry proponents of the single payer option or skin heads. For goodness sakes, this administration wants to treat foreign terrorists as common criminals, they’d be able to identify a simple criminal act as such, if they wanted to.

  • treeofliberty

    “It was hardly peaceful if you ask anyone from that era, but to the victors goes the writing of history. My dad and his family lived both in Chicago and the south so we saw all sides of the events. Civil unrest or the threat of civil unrest made many people acquiesce to the demands of MLK and his followers.”

    A key historical point I was waiting for someone to make. Everyone loves to use the example of Gandhi and MLK but their movements were far from being totally non-violent and in fact Gandhi attributed the eventual success of the movement to groups that took up arms and put pressure on the British.

    Everyone who lived at the time knew that their movements were far from being completely non violent but as archer said, “to the victor goes the spoils” and it’s much more PC and well, “cute” to study a chapter in the HS history books about “Well kids, one brave man said no to violence and poof – his goals were achieved!”

    Let me be perfectly clear right now in that I am simply agreeing with archer’s historical points and that I fully agree that in the present, in 2010 America, violence is not an option and our goals must be pursued in the political arena as long as we still have our civil rights to exercise freely.

    In some (very) weird way Obama has given us a wonderful opportunity to transform this country by channeling the anger and rage out there to elect strong conservative candidates into office who are committed to undoing all the harm this administration has done.

    With the political winds blowing hard in our direction and so many in this country finally waking up to the socialist nightmare that the progressives have planned for us, now is not the time to trade in a winning hand politically for the dead end of individual violence.

  • oldphart

    renounce the use of force to take power in this country. That doesn’t mean I’m going to pop a few congresscritters and liberals on my lunch-hour though. It just means that I don’t want them to feel completely safe either.

    But tell me, when was the last time a government assumed anything like this much power only to give it up peacefully? We can all see the road ahead with some sort of alien amnesty act, Cap andTrade, the Fairness Doctine and God only knows what next. If even half of all the monstrosities waiting in the wings are passed into law this country will just be a larger version of Zimbabwe and we’ll soon forget these recent past days of glory.

    Besides, if I did whip out my rifle and begin enforcing Darwinian law among the legislative class I’d be castigated by the liberal media AND by people like you who don’t want to hurt the feelings of our enemies.

  • http://www.thesubstratum.com GJ Merits

    We need something to target in our disobedience. MLK had a message and many in his movement performed acts of civil disobedience like move to the front of the bus. What is our equivalent action for “moving to the front of the bus”? It was unlawful to do, yet it was done by many, even before Rosa Parks, although she is the most famous for it. When it was done, Rosa Parks was arrested and the Montgomery Bus Boycott began. Many credit Rosa Parks with assisting MLK in gaining national exposure.

    What will we target? Will someone refuse to pay the additional taxes for ObamaCare and get arrested, kicking off an ObamaCare Tax Boycott? Or will one state stand up to Obama by nullifying his law and stand their ground until Obama oversteps his and an avalanche of states join in?

    Will we march? How often will we do it? Who is our MLK, our leader? The goal is fiscal responsibility and limited government with power absconded from the states returned to the states. Who is that leader? I don’t know of one. We need to find such a person.

  • halfahun

    and you’re not a ‘Minuteman’. The only way we’re going to win this is to think strategically and act tactically- re the ‘OODA loop”-i.e. exactly as our opponents are currently and have been for the last 100 years. The ‘manufactured crisis’ is one of the oldest tricks in the books for those of the totalitarian mindset but we’re not a crappy third-world hellhole…yet, so don’t fall for it.
    America is the land of the four boxes; the soap box, the ballot box, the jury box and lastly, the ammo box in that order. This November we’ll try the 2nd; peacefully, persistently and proudly; ever vigilant but not as vigilantes to change the disasterous course this ship of state is presently steering. It all depends on the transition of power and whether our enemies will accede to our, the people’s, will- if not, then all bets are off.
    I won’t be going to the ‘re-education’ camps peacefully and I think they know that so they’ll attempt all other means to keep power- for that is their ultimate goal. Power over us in whatever misguided ‘programs for the public good’ they try to enact-Cuidado!
    Archer 52′s comments are spot on- he’s a former policeman that blogs at Truth&Consequences- check it out- you’ll find a strong, articulate conservative voice and gifted essayist.
    Probably, like most of you, I entertained, (while hurling invectives and choice expletives- no children were present!) at the televisor this past Sunday, murderous thoughts involving large burlap bags, concrete blocks and a deep body of water for certain Congressweasels and their minions in the Administration but ,alas, they were just the thoughts of a reasonably sane mind trying to cope with the percieved insanity. Sign with ‘TeaParty-Concrete Block Division’- Is that ‘hate’ speech?
    “Man, are these people REALLY serious?”
    “Yes, Virginia, unfortunately they are.”
    And they are going to find out how serious we are soon…very, very soon- so keep cool out there, get your blessed assets off the couch, roll up your sleeves and do what America does best- that old hoary cliche, ‘When the going gets tough, the Tough get going!’
    Remember to keep your powder dry!

  • Aaron

    I suspect they will hold their townhalls. Now here comes the part where I put on my tinfoil hat…

    It wouldn’t surprise me to see a few “plants” that incite violence. Maybe a little racial slur or two. And naturally, the media happens to be right there to catch it all. They will do all they can to get the “independents” on their side to stem election losses in November. This wouldn’t surprise me one bit.

  • http://www.thesubstratum.com GJ Merits

    I take my previous comment back. The book is eerie in its parallels to today’s United States. Good point Jack. Sometimes the lines between fiction and reality are blurred and art imitates life. So the link is not so bad after all.

  • halfahun

    MEGADITTO!!!

  • wgsampson

    I go through those mood swings every day. When threatened, the natural reaction is – fight or flight. Flight isn’t happening, but many are looking for a fight. It is difficult to do neither – to stand firm, say your piece and take whatever they dish out. Since they want us to attack them, the longer we maintain our cool the better. After all, these people want what they want and they want it now. If we don’t give it to them, they will have the meltdown. So let’s let them. They had to start eating their own in order to get this thing passed. The united front they are trying to exhibit right now is thin, for some, the protests they will face over Easter will start breaking down the facade.

  • SoulEspresso

    A whiff more clever than the usual sort.

  • SoulEspresso

    Remember that the Constitution was intended to enable peaceful transfers of power. When the American government shifted from the Washington administration to the Adams one, people actually wept. Transfers of power were not generally so easy. We want to keep it that way — which ought to be so obvious we don’t have to say it, but the media and the left all want us to be a bunch of frothing, trigger-happy lunatics.

    It’s obvious to us that Congress urinated all over the wishes of the electorate and got more than a few drops on the Constitution, but they don’t see it that way. To the millions who haven’t been paying close attention, the question is still open.

    Even if violence weren’t immoral, right now, any violence from the right plays into the media caricature of conservatives and actually hurts our attempts to persuade the persuadable.

    We must continue to discredit the media at every turn; if we can do that, and repeal the bill, and elect real conservatives at every turn, we will win.

    A few examples of instances when violence would become justifiable:
    – If Democrats refuse to obey elections and leave office (a coup)
    – A Kristallnacht scenario in which self-defense becomes an issue (I have a really hard time imagining this is possible at this point)
    – If Obama were to attempt dissolve the Supreme Court

  • wgsampson

    The socialist have been plotting for this for decades, and many Americans are just now figuring that out. I don’t know who the leader is or will be, but there are a lot of people out there leading locally. There have already been a number of marches, and their will be more. As for what form the civil disobedience will take, that remains to be seen. I don’t have all of the answers, hell, I probably don’t have any of them.

  • http://www.thesubstratum.com GJ Merits

    Let’s talk about a metaphorical “first shot” or “throwing the first punch”. Let me use an analogy.

    I do have a relative in Canada who almost died during routine Gall Bladder surgery (they nicked an artery). The surgeon was a typical Canadian surgeon – not very good at what he did and living under the hell of socialized medicine. I am not saying there are no good surgeons in Canada, just that there are fewer than there are here – a lot fewer per capita.

    What if, for example, your child or another loved one died during a surgery that, by today’s standards, they would have survived but in this future scenario their death can be attributed to the loss of highly skilled surgeons. Or let’s say they were denied life-saving treatment (like the NHS denied Herceptin to breast cancer patients until a lengthy lawsuit forced a change in policy) and subsequently died because of it.

    That is what was voted into law against the will of the people of this country. Now assume this future event takes place. Is that the equivalent of firing the first shot or throwing the first punch? The death of a loved one due to rationing?

    To be clear – I am for a non-violent approach. But like Erick in his story above I am not at all surprised by the reactions we are seeing, although I believe the media is feeding a narrative that is far more benign than they are letting on while simultaneously experiencing collective amnesia concerning liberal violence and threats of violence.

    Now I would to ask all those who state they are non-violent to ask themselves a question. At what point do you break? At what point does your commitment to non-violence dissipate? When will you consider the first shot to have been fired?

    This is only a question. I have always been very interested in human behavior and the what happens at the edges, when one is pushed to the point of breaking. It is telling how people can state one philosophy and be completely shocked at what they are capable of in an unforeseen situation. In another comment below I bring up the question, what would happen if, like Zimbabwe, our economy experienced a massive hyperinflation period and our economy collapsed. Would non-violence or violence be the norm?

    Somewhere between where we are now and the other extreme I just described, is a breaking point. We like to dance around the subject, or state that those who bring it up are closet radicals, but I can assure you I am not. So lets address this burning issue. I have an opinion of when this point will occur and I will not share it here. My breaking point is much further than the point I have in mind. Where is yours?

  • texasgalt
  • Locked and Loaded

    I disagree with your use of the word “violence.” In making sure I could accurately convey my point, I decided to go to dictionary dot com. The third definition for violence makes my point.

    violence – an unjust or unwarranted exertion of force or power, as against rights or laws.

    Violence is what may be carried out on the wrong side of an issue.

  • Right Reason

    I think that there is a sublte disctinction. With violence, inflicting harm is the end in and of itself. Force is violence used to further another end. The situation you describe is not revolution; it is revenge. I cannot say for sure that I would not snap if I were to lose my son, daughter or wife as you describe. I would like to think that I would channel the anger into working constructively to change the system so that it would not happen to others in the future. But resorting to violence because of the scenarios you presented would not be the same as what we were discussing. And, in the end, it would not likely help to bring about the change are talking about.

  • http://thesandsinstitute.org Vassar Bushmills

    And you find your victims as they are…yelling Boo to a 30 year old man,,a pregnant woman and an 80 year old, all potentially different results. You’re held accountable for the damage (at least in civil court), no matter your intent.

    That’s the rub with lefties, democrats and children of the sun, they are delicate and victim-delusional beyond belief. A wrinkled nose and they think you’re a witch. Thank God for juries.

    That’s why I’ve always been leery of frontal assault, Hit ‘em where they ain’t looking. Sneak. And if you get caught, know at least that God was on your side. (He’d better be.)

  • Jonas Parker

    Seldom have I read anything on conservative blogs that so accurately describes the strategies and expected behavior of the left. You didn’t pick this up through a casual interest, I’m thinking. You have studied them in depth.

    I would also recommend Three Who Made a Revolution (Bertram Wolfe) to anyone who would understand the mindset of the left. The ‘Three’ are Lenin, Stalin, and Trotsky. I have a major in Russian/Eastern European history, and that is far and away my recommendation for a single read that is utterly revealing. You will be amazed how it echos through the 20th century and right up to the present. And, you will understand our opposition much better.

    I also had a chance to observe the left on the ground, traveling throughout much of the USSR and Eastern Europe. And, though not particularly proud of it, as a radical from ’68 through about ’73 (until I came to my senses). I was not 8 years later, I was in the *middle* of it, and the words of this writer ring so true that I am astounded. This guy gets it, as few do. I did nothing violent in those years, but I knew people who did, and who were leaders of the ‘movement’. I was well connected. I did march, rally, protest, etc.

    I mention the autobiographical data just to relate that what I am saying comes from intimate knowledge and long familiarity, and is not mere speculation and guesswork.

    I have regretted on this site and others, numerous times, that we seem unable at this point to stage the sort of non-violent activism, civil disobedience, etc that enabled the left to push the country toward collectivism for especially the last 40 years. Were we to do that, we would win this struggle, as the writer says, and we would have no need of violence.

    I hope the writer’s observations spark reflection, and help to make people aware of this approach, that surely does not come naturally to most conservatives. He is right… the left knows they would loose if such a massive expression by the populace were to take place.

  • Jonas Parker

    in a cunning, reptilian sort of way. Make no mistake, they understand completely what they are doing and they know it works. They are extremely effective at gaining power and using it to transform society. They have a slight problem in making it work after that, but never seems to bother them much. Theirs is truly a religion, or more accurately, a cult. They are true believers in a temporal utopia and very few ever wake from that trance.

  • http://www.thesubstratum.com GJ Merits

    Now I would like to ask you if you believe that, not yourself personally, but that the country as a whole has a breaking point? Are we close, in your opinion, to a large scale breaking point, or will it take more assaults on our liberties to reach it, or will we never reach it?

    Others feel free to chime in. What is the macro sense here?

    In my experience, many fear a coming breaking point – more women than men in my circle of friends. Nobody I know is a militant, they just feel that something is about to happen and there is palpable fear. I’ll admit to feeling it myself.

    Many are hoping for a sort of spiritual revolution. I am not quite sure what that means and I am digging for some clarification as such a concept seems rather ill-defined to me, despite it sounding good. What exactly comprises a spiritual revolution and how does it bring about change?

  • http://www.thesubstratum.com GJ Merits

    And the F and R are next to each other so I have an excuse. :-)

  • Jonas Parker

    Perhaps we need to put more thought into the details of such a non-violent strategy. It has worked EVERY time in history that it has been employed with courage and determination.

    Re the leader question… MLK lead the civil rights movement, and while there was a symbiotic relationship between civil rights and the revolution of the left, they are not the same thing, and the revolution of the left a.k.a. the ’60s revolution’ had many, many leaders, not just one. Don’t think we need just one. And more important than the leaders are the dedication of large numbers off the populace. They need the conviction that they are fighting for something that is right, and something that is vital. Leaders will emerge from that sort of large-scale committment.

    Your other questions about the specific how-tos clearly need consideration. I don’t have ready answers but have been thinking of it for some time. The options you mention are possibilities. They are all non-violent, but of course some individuals will pay a price (that’s where the committment comes in). But you know, I am optimistic about that. I think that it takes a little time for these things to congeal as a shared objective/committment. Courage is more sane, and probably somewhat easier, when one knows that many share the ‘battlefield’. My father in law, who parachuted into Germany immediately prior to June 6, ’44, said little about the hellish experiences he had, except to say that in those situations one is fighting for their buddies, and nothing else.

  • http://www.thesubstratum.com GJ Merits

    My opinion is that we are very close to a tipping point and if the politicians fail us and the SCOTUS fails us (heck its their fault we are even here thanks to the Marshall Court starting in 1810) then some folks might really lose it like the left does (they actually use violence and have since the 60s – hypocrites). Of course, I believe we would have also failed ourselves by not finding a way for the people to address this issue with non-violent civil disobedience. I can only hope now, as nobody seems to want to actually do anything on a large scale, that politicians and federal judges save this country. With their track record though, I would be seriously but pleasantly surprised and would make a prediction: If SCOTUS knocks down OCare, watch the left really lose it and watch the MSM find ways to excuse it.

  • romeg

    that only force was required. They used force in response to the massing of troops against them. They used the courts and the laws in effect at that time up until the moment when nothing else but force would bring about the change required.

    The shooting had already begun when they met in Philadelphia in the summer of 1776, yet they did meet and resolve to put an end to the tyranny knowing the costs.

    We are nowhere near that moment yet. Not even within, well, ICBM range.

  • http://www.theprecinctproject.wordpress.com ColdWarrior

    Hell, we conservatives (well, some of us) can’t even get ourselves to a monthly GOP meeting.

    While Slick Willie and “Her Thighness” awaited the Coronation of “Her Thighness,” Soros, Obama and their collaborators were quietly infiltrating the grass roots of the Debtocrat Party, especially in the caucus states. When I was putting together my little blog linked below, I search YouTube for “how to become a precinct committeeman” videos. I found scores of them done by Obamabots telling the viewer how easy it was, how important it was, etc.

    Folks, if you aren’t yet IN the Republican Party as a voting member of it, what’s the hold up? Go here for some background on the absolute need for us conservatives, “we the [conservative] people,” to get involved in the real ball game of party politics at the grass roots level INSIDE the Republican Party:

    http://www.redstate.com/martin_a_knight/2009/05/05/the-committeeman-project/

    Want to make the liberal/commie/pinko Obamabots livid? And scare the hell out of them? Rebuild the Party from the precinct level on up. NOW!

    If the passage of this Obamacare monstrosity won’t spur conservatives into REAL POLITICAL ACTION, I don’t know what else will.

    Thank you.
    ColdWarrior
    No More Scozzafavas!
    Become a Republican precinct committeeman. NOW!

  • http://deathby1000papercuts.com mondoreb

    You hit this one out of the park.

    IF conservatives are going to protest this government and its employees, they’d be wise to purchase a cheap video camera first.

    Never know when a Democrat versiona of the Reichstag Fire will break out at a Tea Party protest.

  • Jonas Parker

    What you describe is indespensible. Without involvement at that level, the chain of governance is broken. How can we complain about not being listened to if we don’t make ourselves heard ?

  • donnybrooke

    Now at home and able to get a better picture of events.

    And you are right. Conservatives don’t play like that. We may disdainfully call them “socialists” or “progressives”, and in a moment of pique question their parentage, but the rhetoric and actions are mild compared to most countries’ social unrest.

    Let our congressmen thank God that they don’t live in India or Pakistan!

  • Right Reason

    Do you mean breaking point in the revenge-taking sense, or the we’ve tried everything else and this is all we have left sense?

    If we’re talking about those who seek to restore the republic, any force would have to be in reaction to force applied against it. It must be, in essence, self defense. Those seeking to return the nation to the Constitution must certainly realize that to trying to do so by violent means would taint any effort they made.

  • http://www.thesubstratum.com GJ Merits

    n/t

  • http://www.thesubstratum.com GJ Merits

    n/t

  • gremlin1974

    Though at present I can’t think of a better way to convey my thoughts.

  • chazzle

    This is all manufactured by the Dems.

    How do you explain

    * a poll three weeks in the making

    * random newsworthy events around the country (smashed windows, the lawn coffin–already being walked back)

    * a bunch of Dem congresscritters with suddenly no limo service and having to walk slowly through a protest aimed partly at them, staff trailing, video cams aloft

    * Dem congresscritters harumphing for the cameras

    * Instant inflamed opinion from lefty blogs, pundits and meat puppets

    and all of this timed perfectly for a single news cycle? Haven’t you noticed this pattern time and time again. Somewhere the Dems have and office of Potemkin Village Escapades.

    Why do it? Now they can cancel their spring break townhalls or at least have grounds for screening out all but supporters–and not have to face the anger they have created.

  • izoneguy

    And by election time….many of them won’t run.

    Just remember what Tom Coburn said.

  • SunDogII

    or is it a response to unconstitutional acts being enforced.

    At some point, it becomes the right, perhaps the obligation of citizens to defend our liberties and freedom. Hopefully, it will not be necessary, but frankly, I would not bet on that.

  • Finrod

    “There are five boxes to use in the defense of Liberty: The Soap Box, the Mail Box, the Ballot Box, the Jury Box, and the Ammunition Box. Please use them in that order.”

    We’ve been using the soap box and the mailbox. In November (and sooner in primaries) we’ll get to use the ballot box. And if I’m ever on a jury of someone on trial for violating ObamaCare, I’ll use the jury box to find them not guilty, no matter what evidence the government comes up with (read up on jury nullification sometime, because no court will ever let you hear about it).

    Not until all those fail should we pull out the ammo box. Though having it well-stocked is not a bad idea, Just In Case It Ever Gets That Far.

  • http://UnitedConservativesofVirginia Cargosquid

    we must go to them. They have local offices. Go visit. Sit. Stay awhile. Bring friends. Talk. Bring cookies.

  • http://UnitedConservativesofVirginia Cargosquid

    I find it very interesting that most commenters at Erick?s post, If King George Will Not Listen are decrying the INAPPROPRIATE use of violence, but, not the idea of violence itself.

    Defense may be violent. That is not an inappropriate type of violence.

    Violence is only a tool.

    Not all of the violence has been committed by leftists. Google ?Window War? and you will come to the 3 Percenters. Some of them have, allegedly, broken windows of Democratic offices. However, they do not support the GOP either, seeing them as just as bad, but in a different way. This is an example of inappropriate violence, as are threats and any types of physical assault. Violence or advocating violence to overthrow our lawful government is also inappropriate. Nor is any of this, speaking strategically or tactically, useful. At all.

    The big question is ?when is violence appropriate or useful??. THAT is the dangerous elephant in the room. I do not know the answer except that those conditions have not been met.

    The Left knows how to set up false crises. The Left knows EXACTLY what is going through the minds of those that are thinking about force. THEY have been there. They know what the Tea Parties are thinking. THEY have been there. The Left is going to use any crisis, real or false, to discredit the Tea Parties and like minded. They even have a play book in Saul Alinsky. They have the lemming like press. They are willing to lie, cheat, and steal to falsely accuse. Ends justify the means.

    If the Tea Party protests must escalate, we must be NON-Violent. It is not a good idea to only WOUND a tiger. And the progressive movement is a tiger, but one still constrained by the chains of public opinion, law, and yes, the threat of pushing certain elements so far that the left would regret it. We must use their weapons against them. Ghandi and MLK did it the right way. We must turn public opinion against them. This is still a nation of decent people. The anger needs to be banked, not stoked. Stoked fires burn brilliantly and hotly, but are quick and are a threat. Banked fires last a long time. Anger should be used as a tool, not a weapon. Use it to motivate, not harm. Every fighter knows that the first fighter to get angry tends to lose.

    We must not allow the Left and their useful idiots to use our anger as a weapon against us.

  • http://UnitedConservativesofVirginia Cargosquid

    See below. It turned out to be very relevant to the discussion.

  • sarge324

    did you ever wonder why pelosi and her gang walk through americans.that she and her group jiust spit in their faces.i think pelosi wanted trouble,so she did not get it.so she made up some.do you think she and the gang would have walked through a crowd that went after ann couilter,the answer is no.i love our two party system.i dislike the maxist,socialist,and the progressives.they dont care about the people they care about power to make us slaves to them.we must stay focused on the 2010 elections.remember the alamo.

  • nunleigh

    Some other emotion comes first and leads to anger. “When the people fear the government, there is tyranny.” This is the first time in my life I have been afraid of my government. I am not alone. I remember some time in March 2009, seeing our new President waving an imaginary teabag in the air at a townhall meeting and mocking the growing number of protesters whom I identified with, I remember my 79 year old mother saying, “We have to go” when the Tea Party Express first came through Texas. I remember going with our flags and handmade signs, and I remember the pride and hope I felt. I remember how proud I was to see the numbers in Washington at the 9/12 march, only to hear the president remark later during an interview that he was unaware there were people in Washington and I remember the media’s deminished number reports. I remember the name calling from Congressional leaders and I remember asking my son what “teabagger” meant. I remember crying when I heard racial accusations, and I realized our historical President was not a healer, but a divider. I remember googling “martial law”, and the horror I felt. The past year, my government has made me feel saddness and disappointment; they have hurt my feelings, and made me afraid. Now, I am angry. I know I have never seen anything like this in my life. If you have not already, please look at the provisions of Martial Law. I am convinced this President will not hesitate to use it. Right now, I am going to continue to support a non-violent approach, write to the brave congressional leaders who are fighting for us to say “we are with you, stay strong”, attend Tea Party rallies, send money to support conservative candidates, spread the word to my friends and family, vote, and pray. Listen to Sheila Jackson Lee’s anger on Bill O’Reilly with her comparison of Health Care to civil rights. Watch Pelosi with her mallot march through the crowd, arm in arm with her cohorts. Hear the racial card being played everyday. The liberals are making this a Civil Rights issue. Martial Law will halt elections. Thank you, Erick for giving me and informed voice. God Bless America.

  • holystone

    Violence will not be acceptable in the ongoing confrontation with the left’s newest assault on our freedoms however; humor, can be decidedly effective. Perhaps Mr. Cantor can hold a press conference and express his amazement that a leftist actually knew which end of a firearm the bullet came from and enough sense of direction to aim at something on the right. How about a crowd of happy warrior tea partiers laughing uproariously at Queen Nancy’s parade with her nubian escorts. We need humor agent provocateurs. Pointed levity will reduce our tensions and raise those of the intended targets. They take themselves way to seriously and derision is a powerful non-violent weapon. How about a blog thread for the positng of humor for the perusal and use of all?? Can this tool be more effectively communicated and employed by all of us? Just some thoughts ……

  • http://aposematic.wordpress.com aposematic

    Why would anyone be surprised at these threats, they are straight out of the Alinsky playbook.

    The left has lied constantly about the Tea Party people; you know how angry and hatefull and how the Tea Parties ferment violence against the peaceful left wing angels.

    Personally I don’t believe any of the now lies coming from the left Congressmen; after all, they are all part of the Tea Party condemnation parade from the State owned MSM.

    If anyone from any Tea Party stubbs their toe they are condemned but when the left beats down innocent people they are just patriots…the left is sickening.

    There is nothing too vile the left will not stoop to to win this fight: lie, cheat, steal, condemn, falsely accuse, degrade, and then lie more.

    Now the Left is setting up the Right for one of their “Plants” to do something really stupid so they can try to discredit the Tea Parties for good…don’t fall for it! There is nothing the left will not do to win the final destruction of America and make themselves the perminent autocracy over a once free Republic.

  • trumpetplayer

    First of all I am NOT for violence. But this is exactly what happens when a Government goes against the will of the people and abuses it’s power. I have been writing to Mich Rep Pete Hoekstra about this asking him how do we get rid of this Obama clown & his political circus asap. For various reasons he didn’t answer me on this, but pledged to work to overturn this somehow . But we need to keep this “righteous anger” going so we can vote the Democrats and anyone who voted for this out of office in November. Obama knows this is going to happen. My prediction is that he will now push his “cap & trade” while he has the majority. So we need to return the Republicans in power asap. We need “Repeal & Replace” and we need “Recall & Replace”. This includes Obama and anybody that voted for this.The economic hardship that this fiasco will cause the poor people who will be FORCED to buy “health insurance” instead of food, gasoline etc is unbelievable. In the meantime. Welcome to the USSA= “UNION OF SOCIALIST STATES OF AMERICA”!

  • davesinsanantonio

    To quote the Declaration of Independence: (W)hen a long train of abuses and usurpations, pursuing invariably the same object evinces a design to reduce them under absolute despotism, it is their right, IT IS THEIR DUTY, to throw off such government, and to provide new guards for their future security. (emphasis mine) So, I will renounce violence until such time as I have no choice. But, when that time comes I too will pledge my life, my fortune, and my sacred honor to see that freedom is restored to this land.

  • normusa

    I understood that shooting started when the British started to try and collect their guns. If the Second Amendment is lost, the rest will follow. Read history.

  • alvin691

    L&L I could not have said this any better myself. That is the poison of Progressivism as it keeps attempting to reset that tipping point.

  • alvin691

    That is exactly what is happending. The marxists are trying to get the conservatives to first the first shot so they can clamp down on them.

  • davesinsanantonio

    There is a reason that Obama said during the campaign that he wanted a service corps “as well trained and well equipped as the military”. Think about it. Why does he need another corps, the same size and with the same arms and combat training as the military? Once he has that, all he has to do is get his tame Congress to de-fund the military and he has his “brown-shirt” army to come and take away our guns and force us to obey. That would be the too-late end to that long train of abuses and usurpations that the founders warn of. Of course, they will try to sneak it in piecemeal until it is too late to do anything about it without a civil war many times worse than the last one.

  • davesinsanantonio

    Kristallnacht and the manufactured frenzy after the assassination of the German ambassador in Paris. Also, the dressing up of Nazis in Polish uniforms to create the excuse to invade Poland. They will manufacture a incident if we don’t give them one. They need it, so it will happen. And their tame press will go along with it as the fellow-travelers that they are.

  • davesinsanantonio

    disbelieve, AND verify (that our disbelief was warranted.)

  • agcam

    I didn’t see much on this but this Monday editorial that was posted to my Facebook by multiple friends who were using it as fodder to justify their opinion that opponents to HCR and their leaders are small minded racists and to reinforce how supporters of HCR are vastly morally superior:

    http://www.nytimes.com/2010/03/22/opinion/22krugman.html

    A few nights later, I was watching Hannity when he played a short clip on the retraction of the premise whch was based on an incorrect quote by Newt Gingrinch. The NYT now has an short editors note online but column but his whole argument that Newt’s comment and our opposition are tinged with racial overtone still remains. I wonder if all the intellectual readers who used this editorial to support their viewpoint earlier this week have seen this (at least they don’t watch Hannity).

    Liberals fanning the flames 1st thing Monday AM….

  • davesinsanantonio

    the truth than in propaganda. Something that is not true today. Also, those nightly news videos of beating sit-in participants, fire hosing protesters, and using attack dogs on children, along with the reports of church bombings, and then listening to Dr. King’s quiet, well reasoned responses to reporters’ questions made even many of the racists in the South realize they could no longer countenance what Bull Conner and others were doing. That is the power of unstaged media. So, we have to have our own video cameras rolling, because the lap-dog media will not cover the events as they once did, or let us see the videos if they accidentally capture the truth.

  • davesinsanantonio

    When they came first for AIG, and I didn’t speak up because I wasn’t an enployee of AIG. Then they came for the auto companies and I didn’t speak up because I wasn’t a stockholder. Then they came for the healthcare, and I didn’t speak up because I wasn’t a medical practitioner. Then they came for the cap and trade and I didn’t speak up because I was a believer in alternative energy. Then they came for me, and by that time no one was left to speak up.

  • bobmiller

    This is an excellent article.

    Most if not all of us agree that violence is not the way to correct the problems in Washington.

    However, we have to realize that our founding fathers did much the same when they conducted the Boston Tea Party.

    This is calm compared to the Riots in the Sixties and the Anti-War demonstrations of that same period. When the POTUS, Congress and the Senate REFUSE to listen to the people of the United States how else can the people get there attendtion.

    Since January 20th 2009 we have continued to see how one individual can divide our country. How a political party run by crooked politicians can adversely affect the lives of every American.

    How many people in America KNOW that not one Congress, Senator or the POTUS read and understood each page of the 2700 page Bill.

    How many know that there will be a tax on PRESCRIPTION DRUGS.

    That all medical devices are to be TAXED.

    That there are still about 10-20 MILLION Americans uninsured.

    That this bill was designed to provide health insurance to Blacks, Brown and illegal immigrants.

    How many know that some of those on both sides of the aisle are wanting to add a 1.00 dollar tax to gasoline.

    That the Dems are planning on going to give all illegal immigrants, Muslims and expired visa holders CITIZENS of the United States without making them give up their dual citizenship.

    The list goes on and on.

    The democrats are playing POOR ME to gain sympathy for the elections in 2010 2012, 2014 as you stated.

    The American vote has to make a decision to to remove all career politicians from office in 2010, 2012, 2014, It is vital to our once great country that the Dems become the minority party in the House and the Senate in 2010. Then OBAMA can be charged with High Crimes and Treason Aghainst the United States and the People he is allegedly sworn to protect and serve. These charges are grounds for Impeachment.

    This is the only way that the United States can become the Great the Country that it once was.

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  • JSobieski

    The destruction of the union is not going to happen when the public is awake, and the public is very much awake

  • skerr33

    Of course there is a tipping point. The freedom fighters in the 1770′s were in the minority politically and certainly militarily. People are free to make up their own minds now as the Founders were then. If we want to sit on the fence and endure increasing slavery, that is a free choice. Some will choose to act and declare that you can take our taxes and rights, but you will not take our freedom. How much are you prepared to loose? We would have a very different country for the past 234 years if the Founders simply endured the Crown forever. If the Progressives pass Amnesty and steal the next election, the level of commitment will be off the charts. But that may be too late.

  • janis

    how your mental processes work these days? Too many wipe-outs on that old board way back when? You’d be happier over at a lefty site where your wit, or lack thereof, would be more appreciated.

    RedState is for the grown-ups.

  • exsoldier556

    You are correct. The Founding Fathers indeed faced a “pivotal moment” when words and thoughts transcended into action and became irrevocable. That fateful moment occurred at the towns of Lexington (first) and later Concord on April 19th 1775 and resulted in what has become popularly known as “The shot heard ’round the world” and the official start of hostilities in the American Revolution. The actual incident that precipitated that “shot” was an act of tyranny by the King of England that could not be deflected or discussed. It could only be repelled with force of arms. The King ordered his army to march into the heart of dissident territory and confiscate the “assault rifles” of the era in order to forestall any further attempts to seek liberty and independence by the colonials.

    I submit that a similar moment has not happened for us now. We must continue to utilize the instruments provided to us by the Founding Fathers at the cost of their blood so that it does not require us to spill OUR blood. We must (as another poster said) “work peacefully through political means.”

    NOW is the time to get politically active and organized and allow the system to work FOR us and thereby speak far louder than the forces of evil we face now and have faced innumerable times in the past. Folks, it is time to stand up and be counted … or line up and be numbered….

  • lightfootletters

    ……is Yes. One of the central theses of liberalism, has long been that a government’s claim to authority is justified only if the government can show those who live under it, that it secures their freedom, concerned to protect their life, liberty and property. (no I do not mean the ‘Politically Correct’ version of liberalism)
    Your independent thoughts will cause others to start thinking. You must cease and desist immediately.

  • http://www.800cart.com Ron Robinson

    Think about this:

    http://www.redstate.com/elronaldo/2010/03/26/think-violence-all-the-way-through/

  • Oz

    There is no longer anything as a “cheap shot” in the coming elections.

    Time to dig out their dirt and air it out.

  • Oz

    There is no longer anything as a “cheap shot” in the coming elections.

    Time to dig out their dirt and air it out.

  • wardjh

    The second amendment wasn’t put there to promote revolution. It was put there to prevent revolution.

    If all you have is your voice, you can be ignored (as we have been lately). If you have nothing else to back you up, what do you do?

    Yes there is the ballot box. And it will be used. But in the meantime the chance that the voices could change to gunfire commands attention to the voices. This is evident in the Democrats posturing now.

    They know what they did, and the guilt has put fear in their hearts. The fact that we could is enough for the fear. Let us hope it is enough. The lack of attention to our voices was evident in that they worked on weekends, late at night, during holidays – all to prevent us from being heard.

    We are talking politics here. And politics, like diplomacy, requires the backing of force to make talking work. Not necessarily the use of force, but the potential.

  • http://www.mikebond.org trueeagle

    More lies from Democrats.

    Hey, about that coffin on Carnahan’s lawn? Why not produce it? Why not take photos? Why not let the press see it before you removed it?

    What did you say? There actually was NO COFFIN LEFT? Oh, got it. You made it.

    http://stlouisteaparty.com/2010/03/25/wheres-the-coffin-2

  • redwoman

    I am not good with words, so please bear with me. I am what your readers would call a Political Simpleton. I have been thrust into this madness unwillingly and have realized the need to educate myself in a hurry. After so many years of scoffing at protesters I found myself standing amongst hundreds of people on a busy street, carrying a hand-made sign at the Tax Day Tea Party last year. What is happening to our country is just inconceivable to me. I was raised Right and have stayed true to my beliefs. Never have I been hateful or violent. But Health Care is the final straw in a long string of eroded rights. Today there are more laws than liberties.

    I am enraged and I am engaged. I do not want to be a part of this but I have no choice. You are right to say that violence is not the way. That only serves to lower us to the level of the left. But people are becoming desperate. The POTUS dismisses them as if they were of no consequence. They are called names and vilified. When did God become an enemy of our country? And when did private businesses become the bad guys? The media should be held accountable for every lie, and every lie by omission. My heart is aching and I cannot sleep through the night. I, like many others, am fearful. I appreciate those of you who have the brains and education to fight this fight. I am behind you all the way. We MUST win the fight to avoid the war.

  • redwoman

    I am not good with words, so please bear with me. I am what your readers would call a Political Simpleton. I have been thrust into this madness unwillingly and have realized the need to educate myself in a hurry. After so many years of scoffing at protesters I found myself standing amongst hundreds of people on a busy street, carrying a hand-made sign at the Tax Day Tea Party last year. What is happening to our country is just inconceivable to me. I was raised Right and have stayed true to my beliefs. Never have I been hateful or violent. But Health Care is the final straw in a long string of eroded rights. Today there are more laws than liberties.

    I am enraged and I am engaged. I do not want to be a part of this but I have no choice. You are right to say that violence is not the way. That only serves to lower us to the level of the left. But people are becoming desperate. The POTUS dismisses them as if they were of no consequence. They are called names and vilified. When did God become an enemy of our country? And when did private businesses become the bad guys? The media should be held accountable for every lie, and every lie by omission. My heart is aching and I cannot sleep through the night. I, like many others, am fearful. I appreciate those of you who have the brains and education to fight this fight. I am behind you all the way. We MUST win the fight to avoid the war.

  • JSobieski

    Many here have pointed out that the Senate only has so many open seats in 2010. While I am not a big fan of recalls, they do occasionally work—see Gray Davis in California.

    Does it make sense to target a Senator or two for recall? In some instances, it is possible that constituent anger will lesson over time, so why wait?

    For example, Nelson from Nebraska seems ripe for a recall effort.

  • Aaron Gardner

    You are amongst friends here, and with people like you engaged in the battle we will surely prevail.

    Don’t let them get you down.

  • mschmitt

    Your first post was quite eloquent; and, just to let you know, we were all “political simpletons” once. :)

    The fight chooses us in different ways and for different reasons — we all have a level of abuse we will endure before we choose to act. As Aaron suggested, the fact that people like you are finally getting involved and speaking out means that the sleeping giant — which lives through the beating heart of every hot blooded American (and can throw rocks 30 stories high) — is finally awakening.

  • whartman

    I have much more hope than you do that this thing can and will be repealed.

    Past bad acts of congress had considerable appeal and support when they were passed, and the immediate reaction after passage was to give them a chance to prove themselves. This current monster does not have appeal to the people and the people themselves know that they have been ignored. And most people opposed seem to reacting to the passage with anger, not by saying “lets give the new program a chance”. So this is not the same as the past.

    Also, most of the program does not go into effect until 2014, yet the taxes start immediately. This is not a formula for public support, and not a formula for a program that can be claimed to be “so critical that it must be continued in some form”.

  • soljerblue

    that Alvin has it right, that the first shots — politically speaking, and ONLY politically speaking — have been, are being, fired. I believe they can be dated to November 2008. The King and his Minions aren’t listening, and have so far clearly demonstrated they won’t listen; are tone deaf. In some sense, I think the states of this Union, and their citizens, are considered in some quarters to be colonies and colonists just as much as Parliament once considered Americans to be their pawns. That said, I have two thoughts to bolster something said above. We have a system. That system was designed for just such times as these, and we have been in such situations before, used the system, and it worked. Slowly, perhaps, as I believe it was designed to do, and in cumbersome fashion, but it worked. If the opponents of the current “regime” want change, that system — for the foreseeable future — is their best and only hope. “What if” is on the minds of many these days, and I think rightly so. But if we seek right answers to that question, we have no other option but to use the system that the Founders created for us. Use it to the hilt. Use it to infinity. Use it until we’re blue in the face. Not as simple as it sounds, I know, but it can work if enough of us are angry enough to get involved, stay focused, and keep working. To my mind, for the sake of my family and my descendants, there can be no other way.

  • morstar150

    for taking the fight to the courts. That is how we will fight these liberal cowards who smile as they stab us in the back. They are destroying our republic, they spit on on Constitution, and they trample our voices of opposition with false accusations by a mindlessly controlled media.

    WE HAVE HAD ENOUGH!

    Take this threat seriously. You will be out of office by the end of this year. Mark down the date, November 2, 2010. It will be the biggest slaughter in election history and it will take place at the ballot box. We don’t need violence to achieve our results.

    CNN actually reported on a Sarah Palin speech where she named Democrat “targets.” Of course they wouldn’t give out the names because we understand that these targets are going down in November. Give me the list of names. I will start sending money to the opposition campaigns today.

    I am so sick of these absurd unfounded accusations. Is there any proof of any of this? Or does the media just validated the parinoid delusions of people like Huffington, Obermean, or Sharpton?

    The only question to consider is whether this nation will survive until then.

  • wildbillfromalaska

    To answer your question Neil,NO I will not renounce the use of force should it become ABSOLUTELY necessary,but,we are nowhere near the point where that option should be bandied about as if people were discussing what to have for dinner.We,after all are still the United States of America,not some banana republic where they use bullets rather than ballots to determine the political destiny of their respective countries.We still have the ability to vote unscrupulous ideologues out of office when their agendas diverge from the wishes of the American people.Given the current sense of betrayal that a majority of Americans feel towards the current administration and congress in general it is almost certain that come November any socialist/progressive democrat up for reelection will be facing a very angry electorate out for political,rather than literal blood.I pray to god that it never comes to pass that there comes a time when we need to take up arms against a tyrannical federal government,but,it is possible this may become necessary as a LAST RESORT.Until then I would caution against talk of an armed rebellion and in favor of measured steps to regain a government that operates under the principles as set forth in our constitution through education of those liberal leaning types that we all have as friends,calls and fax’s to our representatives in congress and town hall meetings.And the most important thing that we can all do to regain our freedom and our constitutional republic back is to get out and VOTE come election day.

    Wild Bill
    Alaska

  • wildbillfromalaska

    Playing into the hands of the socialist/progressives currently in charge in DC.These elitists know that they are in trouble politically due to their seeming indifference to the wishes of the American electorate. They would like nothing more than acts of violence or threats of violence as an excuse to declare martial law and put off ,or cancel the next elections completely.The main drain media is currently reporting stories of “hate crimes” supposedly committed by conservatives after the “bloody Sunday” health care travesty foisted on us by payoffs,back room closed door deals and outright lies.The FBI and homeland security (quietly ) are working with the DC police “investigating”reported threats and acts of violence against congressional members.As reported by the main drain media,conservatives even went so far as to “dump” a coffin on a congressman’s lawn,when in actuality it was a prop for a prayer vigil held there by a pro-life group,who,after the vigil took their coffin with them.The main drain media never lets facts ruin a “good story”.especially one that paints conservatives as ignorant knee jerk reactionaries who eat their young.Let us not give them any ammunition for their unwarranted attacks on us.In these coming months leading up to the mid-terms watch,listen,learn and enlighten and then VOTE come November.Let them fire the first shot,at which point they will find out what true Americans will and will not put up with.In the meantime keep your eyes on our goal,which is a return to a constitutional republic,”one nation under God,indivisible with liberty and justice for all.This is our battle to win and theirs to lose,and we will win this through the tenacity of the American spirit at the polls.But in the meantime,just in case,—keep your powder dry and your wits about you.

    Yours In Fraternity For The Republic
    Wild Bill
    Alaska

  • taliesin319

    We have now in the United States 2 generations of woefully educated
    people who went to the ballot box and elected a man whom nobody knew.
    They put our nation into the hands of a socialist demgogue who had
    a few catchy slogans and no platform to speak of. These are the children
    and grandchildren of the endlessly tiresome Hippies who did all they could to bring down the government in the last 60′s but failed miserably and so went home and with minimal effort produced a group of weaklings unable to cope with competition of any sort. Those stellar troops saddled the state with
    chunks of DNA so delicate that only political correctness can protect them from the stings of the world. How many more words will these poor excuses for homo sapiens demand we eradicate from our vibrant language ? In November of 2008, a hollow man mouthed platitudes and outright lies to
    a fawning crowd and a derelict press devoid of anything approaching
    journalistic integrity. ! am 70 years old and Hitler and his minions are
    part of my living memory. When is our pivital moment did you say ?The erosion of our sacred constitution and our Bill of Rights have never
    been so imperiled. Our Neighbors to the north, gave a performance
    on par with christal Nacht with university teachers and Provost all
    but rioting to prevent a woman from entering their campus
    lest she air a view deviating from the party line. Demands were made to burn her books. To burn a book is a terrible obscenity. To burn it on the
    campus of a university, traditionally the one area where divergent opinions
    can be presented to be clarified by civil debate, signals barbarians at the gate. Do you feel secure in the presence of people who are so hesitant to consider any sort of force ? The generations I spoke of have been brainwashed into believing that a schoolyard squabble between a couple of 8 year olds is a hate crime. Our nation, less than a week ago, was placed on a respirator by a man who has a deep disdain for the Magnificent country he has so far been unable to govern with even a modicum of the gravitas so
    necessary in a capable leader. While all this palaver is going on, Radical
    Islam sits waiting and sharia law is being defended by the ACLU.
    The forum is correct. We are not there yet. Let us pray that when that
    pivital time comes and we are standing, armed and ready be at the gates of fire every American will be his own Leonidas against the new Persian
    multitude.

  • javiergarcia

    The “point of no return” is reached when redress is not possible through the exercise of civil rights: voting, freely associating and asembling, organizing in and through political parties, free expression and advocacy in the media.

    And we aren’t there.

    As you point out, we still have civil guarantees in this country, even if there has not been the responsiveness one would have expected from elected officials, who after all are representatives not delegates, given the magnitude of the tipping-point legislation, the extent and persistence of opposition, and the communication of that opposition through peaceful assembly in tea party demonstrations, towhalls, letter/fax/phone/email campaigns, polling and media messaging. In addition, Democrat leaders–from the president on down to congress–have been openly defiant as rarely before in discrediting their opposition and assuming a taunting, mocking pose (before passage and, most egregiously, afterward).

    This last phenomenon, non-responsiveness combined with what appears to be disdain or contempt for political opposition that is a solid majority, is a new thing (at least in recent experience) that requires careful and serious reflection about means going forward.

    This is NOT a justification for violence against congressmen of either side, In this case, however, we’re concerned with reported and possible ongoing retaliation against those who seemed to flout the will of a sizable majority on an issue that is perceived not as a mere policy matter–healthcare–but one of life and death on one hand, and of the very character of country this is to be. Having set the premise, violence is not justified, however sporadic or marginal.

    And having denounced violence, it is also true that by any reasonable POLITICAL calculus the healthcare bill would not have proceeded in the face of such sustained opposition, after the electoral message of VA and NJ, and most especially after the win in MA. This, then, was not a political calculus based on accountability and prospects for re-election, but an all for all gambit by an ideologically committed party which sees its time for action in the form of serendipitous majoriries in congress and an activist, sympathetic president.

    No one should have any doubts, if there were any still left: Obama’s agenda is transformational in ways fundamentally rejected by a majority of citizens, and he’s playing for keeps (not for political survival). Next: legalizing 12 million illegal immigrants, expedited enriollment in the Democratic Party and creation of a long-lasting coalition that will obviate the need for traditional political calculus in terms of electoral accountability (q.v. socialist Zapatero in Spain breaking all previous major party pacts to align 40% of the population, socialist PSOE, with an extreme minority of nationalist/separatist parties to effectively thwart the 40% conservative PP–they now control a bloc that will be hard to defeat even in the face of disastrous economic performance, unpopular social extremism and ruinous promotion of identitarian politcs in arguably the oldest nation of Europe).

    Not being a Jeremiah or a Cassandra here–or a Glenn Beck! But when you live through such radical changes as a child (Cuba, 1958-62), you get an understanding of how the Left plays the game once in power–bourgeois institutional parameters and expectations be damned. Americans are justified in assuming that their institutions–those of an advanced political culture and the oldest democratic republic in the world–are strong and will hold up and constitutionality will ultimately prevail without unrest. But American institutions have not–not under Wilson, or Roosevelt or Carter–been through a hard left assault from within and from the top like this before because, this time, a compliant/complicit media establishment and a complacent generation formed in the hothouse of the 60′s are largely on the side of the assailants.

  • conritwng

    there are more instances of the abridgment of the freedom of the people by gradual and silent encroachments of those in power than by sudden and violent usurpations”
    James Madison
    Speech in the Virginia Convention June 16,1788

  • leehazel

    If this is your criteria we should already be in armed revolution. We have not had an “honest” ballot box since the JFK win used every graveyard vote within a hundred miles of Chicago.

    Consider the ACORN activities during the past two national elections. Also Al Franken’s Senatorial win certainly does not support the idea of an ‘honest’ ballot box or consider the New Black Panther’s contribution to ‘honest’ elections in Pennsylvania.

    And, please do not give me the tired “these are isolated examples”. One must ask “when do ‘isolated examples’ reach a threshold to become indicative of a serious and wide spread problem???” One might also consider Obama’s desire for a “Citizen Militia”, FOR WHAT??

    I think we must at least remain very vigilant. There are more than a few people who wonder intelligently if we will have another election starting in 2010.

    Please note, socialistic domestic policies are not the only threat. Our government, either deliberately or by sheer stupidity has launched our country on an international path to meet a Globalist agenda.

    We are systematically ‘outing’ our only mid-east ally. We are finding common cause with a resurrected ‘fascist’ Russia. We are opting in to UN sponsored programs such as Climate Change, We are headed in many ways to buy into Sharia law. We are handing China, of all people, the keys to our fiscal piggy bank. Our “Foreign Policy” is an unmitigated disaster and deliberately so.

    How long must the list be before it dawns on the weak kneed and overly apologetic that our so called “representatives” are not now nor have they been for some time, representing their constituencies, at least not the constituencies that vote for them.

    There is Revolution in the air. One more bow to some tin pot dictator or long robed thief and I will revolt by barfing one the “one’s” shoes if I can get close enough.

    PC is Thought Control
    LEE

  • romans12n2

    They were bussed in by the NAACP ! Kind of ironic. Protesters were bussed in to school board mtgs. to disrupt and make good coverage about a fight over the ridiculousness of bussing kids across thee county for diversity. To me that issue is like illegal immigration. If you want your kids to have a good life or school , then stop destroying the ones you have. If the school in your neighboehood sucks , it’s because it is inyour neighborhood! If there are no jobsin your country and your govt. is corrupt, it’s because you make it so. Don’t screw up your country and then want to come here and screw up mine too. Schools in my district are wonderful. That’s why I moved here. I live in a small house and drive older cars so that I can afford to live here and TAKE my kids to good schools. They were great when i moved here. They stay great because I get involved and make sure they stay that way.But I digress .

  • renny

    I suggest you be sure you still have peripherals so you can use a phone modem and re-visit your BASIC and ASCII when the net sites are shut down under the ruse of “diversity” broadcasting.

    Do you have any minorities here?

    Are you promoting an under-served minority?

    But I do think even theoretical talk of armed revolution could end up in lefty propaganda with the intent of shutting down Redstate and other forums: Limbaugh, Townhall, Conservative Battleline, etc. al. We should all consider the consequences, something I believe the left never does.

  • mikie40

    The last election was a massive con job pulled off with the Main stream media and the Dems. They knew Obama was a socialist and what he really was going to do. Obama lied through the entire campaign about what he really was going to do. ?Will you renounce the use of force to achieve domestic policy goals?? Not only no, but hell no. The time is very near. Unfortunately, this is exactly what Obama wants. He will use it to declare a state of emergency and we will loose the right to vote in November. If this is not done the right way by the right people, we will become the next USSR. States that try to Secede, will come under Federal troop siege. This has already been planned out. Do a net search for ?Posse Comitatus Act? and/or ?NORTHCOM?. Obama and the new Democrat ?Party? is not about getting along or caring what the ?People? want or think. They are about reshaping America into their own idea of the new ?Socialist Republic? based on their own ideas.

  • mikie40

    We live in The Peoples Republic of Kalifornia, and for anyone that haven?t realized it, the so called ?Whit? population is no longer the Majority here. So to represent any one of any race is to represent a minority.