If you have not seen the Rubio v. Crist debate on Fox News, you should check it out. A transcript is is here.
Right from the start, Charlie Crist tried to put Marco Rubio on the defensive by hitting Rubio with the charge of a $600,000.00 “slush fund”, with which Crist accused Rubio of using for personal gain and family employ. Rubio denied it, but Crist kept using it repeatedly.
Rubio, however, turned it on Crist.
We are almost 15 minutes into this debate and we have yet to hear a single serious public policy proposal from my opponent. All he wants to talk about is tearing me down, personal attacks, et cetera.
He talks about making sense. How does spending $787 billion of money we don’t have, money we’re borrowing from Chinese and Japanese investors, money that my children and their generation are going to have to work their whole life to pay the interest and the principal on — how does that in any way make sense for Florida or for our country?
In fact, Crist working with ACORN, supporting the stimulus, appointing liberal judges to the Florida bench, etc. came up throughout the debate. Chris Wallace got Crist to admit his support of the stimulus and defend the position.
Only three Republicans in the U.S. Senate voted for the Obama stimulus when it passed in 2009, Olympia Snowe, Susan Collins and Arlen Specter. Are you saying that if you had been a senator, Republican senator, in the U.S. Senate in 2009 you would have voted for the stimulus?CRIST: Yeah, that’s pretty clear. I mean, you know, I think it was the right thing to do at the time. You have to go back and remember what was happening in our economy. It was literally falling off the cliff.
I mean, some of these, you know, ideas to try to prop up our economy, frankly, began under the Bush administration, President Bush. It was the TARP. They wanted to make sure our financial institutions did not collapse, that people didn’t have to have fear and a run on the banks or something of that nature.
And when it came to the stimulus, it was money to help our economy. Things have started to stabilize now and they’re getting better in Florida.
Rubio countered that unemployment in Florida went up after the stimulus was passed and it is still at 10%.
Rubio, of hispanic descent, even got to the right of Charlie Crist on immigration. Wallace pointed out that Crist wants illegal immigrants counted for the census and supported the McCain amnesty immigration plan. Rubio said
the Republican Party, I think unfortunately, has been cast as the anti-illegal immigration party. It is not the anti-illegal immigration party. It is the pro-legal immigration party. And having a legal immigration system that works begins, as the governor says, with border security.
By the way, it’s not enough. About a third of the folks in this country illegally enter legally and they overstay visas. And so we’ve got to deal with that issue as well.
We’ve got to deal with the employment aspect of it, because the vast majority of people who enter this country illegally do so in search of jobs, and jobs are being provided to them. So we need some level of verification system so that employers are required to verify the employment status of their folks.
As far as amnesty, that’s where the governor and I disagree. He would have voted for the McCain plan. I think that plan is wrong, and the reason why I think it’s wrong is that if you grant amnesty, as the governor proposes that we do, in any form, whether it’s back of the line or so forth, you will destroy any chance we will ever have of having a legal immigration system that works here in America.
Throughout the debate, Rubio talked policy and hit Crist on his record. Crist kept trying to hit Rubio on the “slush fund,” but the hits were weak. Substantive differences came out. The race is no longer about personality. This is a race on real issues.
Rubio is right on immigration, spending, balanced budgets, taxes, health care, and opposing Obama. Crist is wrong on all those things.
Rubio devoured Charlie Crist yesterday.
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dwuill01 (Diary) Sunday, March 28th at 7:33PM EDT (link)nice
"My good friend ..."
loganyung (Diary) Sunday, March 28th at 11:05PM EDT (link)What cracked me up was that Crist spent the whole interview painting Rubio as a corrupt, and said that Rubio was into politics for his own enrichment. But then, Crist kept referring to Rubio as his good friend. Who would do that?
One of the most telling exchanges...
rbdwiggins (Diary) Sunday, March 28th at 7:41PM EDT (link)Let me comment on that particular quote from Gov. Crist by offering this one from Lady Thatcher: “Consensus is the absence of leadership.”
“Well, the trouble with our liberal friends is not that they are ignorant, but that they know so much that isn’t so.” – Ronald Reagan
I loved the video of Jeb Bush saying that Crist was wrong on supporting the Stimulus
Scope (Diary) Sunday, March 28th at 7:45PM EDT (link)Bush was a very very popular Governor of Fla. That was a big smackdown.
Crist was singularly unhelpful in Bush v. Gore, but at least he is not
weatherford Sunday, March 28th at 9:06PM EDT (link)trying to shed the RINO mantle and claim Tea Party credentials. Nothing else is attractive about the Crist campaign, but at least it is unlike many others where RINOs pretend to have embraced the tea party from day one.
A careful look reveals a whole pacels of RINO candidates who have conventiently tried to rewrite history. And some are getting away with it in less visable contests at the state and local level.
Somehow these lesser lights, especially in primary campaigns for Governor, need to be identified and exposed. For one example, how many state attorney generals are RINOS running for higher office under cover of waking up to the immediate political benefits of joining the lawsuit to declare HCR unconstitutional. Transparent to us perhaps but not necessarily to others.
I am particularly suspecious of the ones only now finding some distant Anti-Obama result to be one they must embrace and lead.
Somehow the closet progressives need to be identified and targeted. There are plenty of worthy hard-core conservatives running in state primaries for voters to elect without letting the frauds under the tent.
I hope this site can help to identify the state-level opportunists, who are often well funded by the country club set and seek nothing but to perpetuate themselves and the establishment — to the future horror of the People.
Sure, the folks are not stupid, but they can still be gulled. Particularly in races — incorrectly — deemed of lesser import.
Marco Rubio
proudconservativerepublican Sunday, March 28th at 7:46PM EDT (link)I guess good ol’ Charlie doesn’t remember that Florida’s unemployment is still HIGHER than the national average and I don’t think that is gonna change anytime soon. I have to agree with Erick that Marco took it to Charlie and came out without a mark on him and Charlie was badly beaten up.
And the woman from The Villages...
Woo_girl Sunday, March 28th at 7:58PM EDT (link)was probably a plant.
Unfortunately, I lived in FL ten years..
bs61 Monday, March 29th at 1:30AM EDT (link)and the villages are huge! What is up with that?
A question
Stan Sunday, March 28th at 8:07PM EDT (link)Chris Wallace asked Mr. Rubio whether he was amending his tax return – and I don’t think Mr. Rubio answered the question. I haven’t seen any other press concerning Mr. Rubio and his taxes, so what’s the deal there?
Please tell us why Charlie is orange.
texasgalt (Diary) Sunday, March 28th at 10:00PM EDT (link)Enquiring minds want to know.
Lame attacks. . . is this the best you guys have?
In fairness to Charlie
RedBeard Monday, March 29th at 5:55AM EDT (link)He’s not quite Oompa-Loompa orange at the moment. He must have cut back on the Tan in a Bottle potions.
Did Chris Wallace question him on this?
Standard-bearer for grouchy curmudgeonry since, oh, 1975 or so.
You waited *four* years to make your first comment
eburke (Diary) Sunday, March 28th at 10:27PM EDT (link)and *this* is what you come up with?
Wow! Just Wow!
“All that need be done for evil to triumph is for good men to do nothing.”
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Four+ year concern troll! A new record? nt
Steve Maley (Diary) Sunday, March 28th at 11:14PM EDT (link)The blogger formerly known as ‘Vladimir’.
Not sure why this raises ire...
Stan Monday, March 29th at 3:00AM EDT (link)I’m not a troll. Just someone who is trying to become more informed. Yes, it’s true, I’ve read Red State off and on for 4 years, but to some extent, I admit to being “asleep at the switch”. I haven’t done what I could to be active in political discussions, or to get conservatives elected — by contributing to campaigns, or volunteering my time. That being said, the policies of the Obama administration have sufficiently scared me, and have motivated me to get in the game.
So my apologies if my question seems “troll-like”, or otherwise naive. But I assure you, it *is* an honest question. I heard Mr. Wallace ask the question, and I didn’t hear a response. I thought that some of the more politically knowledgeable who read this blog could provide an explanation, or a pointer to some background material. I didn’t know that an honest question would get me slapped down.
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ktsub (Diary) Monday, March 29th at 4:32AM EDT (link)Stan, Glad you are getting involved. Redstate is a great blog for conservative action, but if I have learned anything this past years its this:
Do not become involved in a discussion about certain candidates being promoted by this blog, unless you fully cheerlead the said candidate. As otherwise you will be labled a RINO, troll or “working for the other candidate”.
Rubio is one of those candidates. On that note, Marco Rubio is the future of the Republican Party, not Charlie Crist.
First time mistake. It gets better (I made the mistake once regarding Rick Perry).
Perhaps a better way to put it:
RedBeard Monday, March 29th at 6:05AM EDT (link)If one doesn’t want to be suspected of trolling, it’s best to avoid seeming troll-like.
The method, almost more than the message, is what causes folks to look askance at newbies.
Askance-looking almost did me in at first, as well. I was suspected of being a suspect, if you will, because of the method of my first posts here. Took me by surprise. But live and learn.
Standard-bearer for grouchy curmudgeonry since, oh, 1975 or so.
Stan the reason it raises ire is because IF you truly....
JadedByPolitics (Diary) Monday, March 29th at 6:27AM EDT (link)want your CONCERNS answered you as WE ALL do would go out to the internet and FIND THE ANSWER! You come in throw some nasty question out there that can be found out with a little checking trying to throw flames and that is why you are a TROLL!
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I noticed the tax question also
eastbaylarry (Diary) Monday, March 29th at 9:44AM EDT (link)With some many tax cheats in the current administration, such questions are important. We don’t want our candidates to have the same problems.
Slamming anybody who raises valid concerns as a troll is not helpful to an enlightened discussion. If the requirements of this site are lock-step group-think, how are we better than the huffpo?
2+2=4 dammit!
It's not what you say, it's how you say it.
eburke (Diary) Monday, March 29th at 2:32PM EDT (link)In the same vein, it’s not what you ask, it’s how you ask it.
When you frame questions in the same ‘gotcha’ MO of the MSM, people tend to think that, well, you’re one of ‘them’. ‘They’ don’t ask questions because they care one whit about the answer…they ask merely to embarrass and deflect.
Stan’s question took on the sound of one of those types of questions – ignoring or failing to contextualize all of Charle’s manifold gaffes and the pettiness of his questioning, ignoring the manifold areas in which Marco just mopped the floor with Charlie on the important issues in the debate, and focusing solely on a relatively inconsequential nit of the debate.
That is exactly what the MSM would do. Ergo, Stan’s first comment after 4 years was to appear to adopt the MO of the MSM in their approach to conservative candidates. Those who have been here a while have seen this hundreds if not thousands of times before. Thus, the ‘leap’ to the conclusion.
Stan’s subsequent posts will reveal whether we were right in that leap. If we were wrong….that would be awesome and I will be at the front of the line saying:
Welcome aboard, Stan.
“All that need be done for evil to triumph is for good men to do nothing.”
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Thanks everyone for the explanation
Stan Monday, March 29th at 5:38PM EDT (link)I understand now that, while I really was looking for information, I framed the question *very* badly.
Like the other folks who have posted on this entry, I thought Mr. Rubio won the debate. Handily. And since I am trying to get involved, and support candidates, I was even thinking about dropping a donation to Mr. Rubio’s campaign. I was just trying to get some info on the sole point coming out of that debate that concerned me a bit.
Taking the post from “JadedByPolitics” to heart, I did quite a few searches, slogging through all of the “false hits” that are inevitable these days… and I think (hope) I understand the issue now, and it seems like a red herring.
So, I’m dropping that contribution to Mr. Rubio. Wish it could be more.
Welcome aboard, Stan! We're a feisty bunch, but
eburke (Diary) Tuesday, March 30th at 11:53AM EDT (link)then we’ve been fighting the lies of the Left for quite a while and, except maybe for penguin(who’s unfailingly kind and polite), we’re a little impatient and irritable these days.
“All that need be done for evil to triumph is for good men to do nothing.”
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My favorite was
muffin Sunday, March 28th at 8:09PM EDT (link)when Chris Wallace asked Charlie Suntan about raising the fees on driver’s licenses, vehicle registrations, etc. How many people know that “fee” is just another way of saying “tax?” Also, I loved when they showed which politicians supported which candidate. That should tell you everything you need to know.
Fortitudine vincimus – By endurance we conquer
Entire Debate Video Here
nelsa (Diary) Sunday, March 28th at 8:10PM EDT (link)My friend Brian over at FreedomsLightHouse.com has it:
http://tinyurl.com/yczmbbg
Rubio delivered so many hits on Crist that I really lost count about half way thru.
Crist came with an agenda to attack. Rubio came with an agenda that points towards the future of the country and how to fight against the nonsense that is taking place in DC.
As Rubio said during the debate, “Charlie, you just don’t get it.”
That's what scares me !
Racist (Diary) Monday, March 29th at 9:24AM EDT (link)QT (QuickTan) Crist is so completely self serving that he is going to try to do as much damage to Rubio as He can in this primary. By now it should be obvious that he has NO CHANCE IN HE11 of beating Marco. The only thing he is doing is giving the left ammunition for the general election. And He doesn’t care ! That right there should be enough to tell the voters that he is first and foremost a politician and his #1 priority is self preservation and not preservation of Liberty!
Anyone remember the Tea Party person that questioned Rubio
Scope (Diary) Sunday, March 28th at 8:30PM EDT (link)we need to research who she is, and where she is from.
According to the transcript
patrickdalroy Sunday, March 28th at 10:15PM EDT (link)that Erick posted a link to, it’s someone named Patty Morey. I didn’t see the show, so I have no idea whether that is the same spelling that appeared on the screen when Chris Wallace read the question.
The so-called Tea Partier, Patty Morey, who sent a question for Rubio
Scope (Diary) Monday, March 29th at 2:23PM EDT (link)on the Chris Wallace show yesterday, doesn’t appear to be a Tea Party person after all. I believe she is Patty Morey Walker, who claims to be a fan of “Women for Obama,” on her facebook page. Not certain it is her, but, I’d be willing to bet big bucks it is.
http://www.facebook.com/people/Patty-Morey-Walker/1407853892
Macro Rubio let Crist shoot himself in the foot.
archer52 Sunday, March 28th at 8:53PM EDT (link)http://truthandcommonsense.com/2010/03/28/rubio-lets-crist-shoot-himself-in-the-foot/
Over tanned fish in a barrel moment for Rubio. The second Crist compared himself with McCain and Graham he pulled the trigger and after careful aim shot himself in the foot. I’m sorry, are we not clear enough for Crist to figure out we don’t like McCain and absolutely despise Graham? Seriously. Why elect another Republican to office that thinks “bipartisanship” equates to us surrendering quicker?
Idiot.
Agreed
frankieb (Diary) Sunday, March 28th at 8:58PM EDT (link)I voted for McCain in the general election because he was better than the alternative, but I don’t like him or his tendency to tilt left. Lindsey Graham … oh, please. And Charlie Crist? He wears a tan well.
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I agree - McCain keeps winning...
bs61 Monday, March 29th at 1:45AM EDT (link)due to a lack of alternatives. I wrote him begging for him to not vote for the original bailout – he knew better. So I didn’t vote for him. It’s my goal to see that he doesn’t make it past the primary.
I like Deakin, but I’ll vote for whoever is closest to defeating him.
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One Word for Crist's Performance
philbo Sunday, March 28th at 10:01PM EDT (link)Self-immolation.
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Crist still believes that these are normal days.
acat (Diary) Sunday, March 28th at 11:00PM EDT (link)Crist, like many other uninformed Americans, believes that business as usual will win the day.
Alas, Charlie. We’re living in Interesting Times. This is not the collegial confrontation of ideas, and hopping on the Obama bandwagon will not soon be forgotten. Good bye, Charlie. Enjoy retirement. Maybe work on your tan.
Mew
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Caveat Suffragator
User Fees
kagai Sunday, March 28th at 11:55PM EDT (link)I love Crist’s whole argument about taxes, they’re not taxes, they’re user fees. Just think, if he became a senator he could tell us, “We don’t tax citizens, we charge them user fees. If you’re not breathing, you don’t pay.”
I could not believe it when Crist actually said,
ColdWarrior (Diary) Monday, March 29th at 12:40AM EDT (link)“If you don’t drive, you don’t pay.”
He’s toast.
And, don’t forget, John Cornyn thinks he’s just swell.
Thank you.
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jfpurdue01 (Diary) Monday, March 29th at 1:47AM EDT (link)I know! All I could think when he said that was “yeah, and if you don’t make an income, you don’t pay an income tax, so it isn’t a tax, it’s an ‘income user fee’ right?” Moron. Crist is toast.
But the 40% of Floridians who rent...
Racist (Diary) Monday, March 29th at 9:38AM EDT (link)wouldn’t get a tax cut ! You evil conservatives are always thinking just of the greedy rich homeowners. LOL Crist looks and sounds more like a rino every time he opens his mouth. BTW houses aren’t the only thing I apy property tax on.
But the 40% of Floridians who rent...
Racist (Diary) Monday, March 29th at 9:38AM EDT (link)wouldn’t get a tax cut ! You evil conservatives are always thinking just of the greedy rich homeowners. LOL Crist looks and sounds more like a rino every time he opens his mouth. BTW houses aren’t the only thing I apy property tax on.
This Is How You Speak To America!
jaybo (Diary) Monday, March 29th at 12:27AM EDT (link)” How does spending $787 billion of money we don’t have, money we’re borrowing from Chinese and Japanese investors, money that my children and their generation are going to have to work their whole life to pay the interest and the principal on — how does that in any way make sense for Florida or for our country?” (Marco Rubio)
RNC, were you listening to this? Sen McConnell and Rep Boehner were you listening?
If only conservative politicians would simply and clearly state the truth in this manner.
Very true -
bs61 Monday, March 29th at 1:47AM EDT (link)They just don’t get it – that’s when I wonder if this is all staged!
Crist admitted that if he was in the senate that he would
blaze422 (Diary) Monday, March 29th at 7:54AM EDT (link)have joined with Snowe, Collins and Spector. Game , set, mtch.
Impressive
pirate55 (Diary) Monday, March 29th at 10:14AM EDT (link)Although I am biased and a strong Rubio supporter and Florida resident, I believe Sorry Ol’ Charlie gave it his best shot which when summed up amounts to a whole lot of nothing. Looking forward to paying my “jacked up” USER FEES which I wouldn’t have to pay if I didn’t want to function.
Good luck Charlie, you’re going to need it.