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Barack Obama Bans College Internships, But Only in Free Enterprise

Barack Obama wants college students to operate as he did in getting his job ? get it first and then develop the skills through on the job training.

“Barack Obama is opposed to an individual’s right to make the individual’s own decisions about what is in the individual’s own best interest.”

I suggested once that Barack Obama is naive when it comes to the American free enterprise system, but let’s just scratch that. The man really is trying to dismantle it and remake it in his own image — that of a law school professor who champions “public interest” work over the business of America, which is to say business itself.

This has been happening across America in academia where professors are gladly dismantling programs that teach, for example, law students how to be corporate lawyers and work in business in favor of training up an army of public interest liberals who sue the state in the name of progress to stop progress.

Barack Obama, coming from that culture, wants the nation to do the same. The Wall Street Journal is reporting the Obama administration is banning internships within private businesses.

Ponder that — Barack Obama is destroying another aspect of the free enterprise system.

Barack Obama is telling teenagers and college students, who are now suffering through a 26% unemployment rate, that they are not allowed to volunteer their time in the free market in exchange for acquiring valuable and relevant job skills that might, just might, get them off the unemployment line — and that ignores the ability to make valuable connections through networking in the workplace and build relationships for future careers and opportunities. The lost opportunity just of the loss of networking and relationship building is overwhelming and will put some college students who did not go to the right school or belong to the right fraternity or sorority or come from the right town at a serious, serious disadvantage.

Ifyou want to pursue an internship with a for-profit employer, there aren’t going to be many circumstances where you can have an internship and not be paid and still be in compliance with the law,” the Labor Department’s Nancy J. Leppink tells the New York Times.

The Times also quotes Trudy Steinfeld, director of New York University’s Office of Career Services, regarding opportunities for unpaid internships. “A few famous banks have called and said, ‘We’d like to do this,’ said Ms. Steinfeld. “I said, ‘No way. You will not list on this campus.’” To be fair, she doesn’t want a Labor Department enforcer knocking on her door next week. But we wonder what NYU students trying to get their feet in the doors of financial firms think about Ms. Steinfeld rejecting opportunities on their behalf.

How all of this helps young people who are trying to develop marketable skills is a mystery.

Since the nation was formed and even before that, apprenticeships and then internships have been a key way for students to acquire valuable jobs skills. Companies would, frequently through college programs, agree to put a student to work teaching the student a trade. The company would get free labor and the student would, at no cost, get job skills.

It is a tried and true method of acquiring skills in this country. But the Obama administration is declaring such an act against the law.1

If you want to work as a Congressional or White House intern, for Organizing for America, or any other non-profit, they’ll let you do it. But if you want to actually work for a business that produces goods and services in the free market? You’re screwed as is the business. And guess what? Existing workers will be spread more thinly and college kids will wait longer and longer for jobs.

Barack Obama is opposed to the American free enterprise system. Barack Obama is opposed to an individual’s right to make the individual’s own decisions about what is in the individual’s own best interest.


  1. This will also have a disproportionate impact against students who are not left-wing ideologues as most of those students intend on going into left-wing non-profit advocacy and the government anyway. It’s the independent and conservative students who just want to get the skills and connections to make an honest living in the free market who are going to get screwed.

COMMENTS

  • antigman

    job prospects, it’s more about “making them pay”. “Them” being anyone else who’s better off than you. “They” will just go into the back room, you know, where they keep boxes of money just lying around, and be forced give it out for no other reason than to create more Dem voters. It most certainly won’t come out of investments, or anything else that would typically grow a business, thereby creating more actual jobs.

  • merryj1

    Obama is regularly identified as a former Harvard prof of “Constitutional Law.” Assuming that is a reference to the U.S. Constitution, it’s a bit difficult trying to get one’s head around the possibility that a presumed ‘expert’ on the fundamental purpose of that document does not understand the concepts of limited government and individual liberty.

    The alternative explanation, of course, is that he simply intends to get rid of it. For our own good, of course.

  • davesinsanantonio

    the First Amendment right of assembly. After all, isn’t working an assembly of sorts? How about the Ninth Amendment? I would love to see the courts strike down everything he tries under anything they can. We have to win this year, and again in 12. We must use all of our resources to stop this nut job and his sheep from destroying this country. If he succeeds, we may not get it back.

  • Christine (Trelaina)

    that the Executive Branch (regardless of its head) sees themselves as having the authority to do this is evidence that our government has, or sees itself as having, far TOO MUCH POWER.

  • Deskpilot

    to learn everything you can about your enemy, put yourself in a position to destroy it, and then do so from the highest possible position.
    That lesson is primarily a military one, seizing the high ground, but that is EXACTLY what BHO has done in terms of his enemy, the Constitution.
    His high ground is the WH. and he has at his disposal an army of followers who have consumed so much Kool-Aid who will do anything he commands.
    Some have become cannon fodder in this fight, i.e Van Jones, Anita Dunn, DHS nominees, etc.

  • wannabeanncoulter

    This has been happening across America in academia where professors are gladly dismantling programs that teach, for example, law students how to be corporate lawyers and work in business in favor of training up an army of public interest liberals who sue the state in the name of progress to stop progress.

    While professors are free to screw up the classes they actually teach, dismantling pro-business programs takes the collective incompetence of department chairmen, deans, and curriculum boards. Of course, training too many public interest lawyers risks antagonizing corporate endowments, so ultimately free-market forces will rein in errant private universities and law schools. It’s the public universities you have to watch out for.

  • romans12n2

    to anyone with a brain, that Obama is actively and willfully working to fundamentally transform this nation into a govt. run communist dictatorship. It makes perfect sense that he studied constitutional law and went on to “teach” it at the college level. If you want to destroy your enemy , it is best to know your enemy as well as they know themselves. that is why he spent his entire life learning the laws of this land.The damage being done( now openly) by these people must stop. It is deliberate and it is illegal.

  • spinoneone

    I thought we had a Constitutional right to freedom of assembly and association. How can it be illegal for me to volunteer my time to any organization? What labor law can be construed to forbid my deciding to offer my services gratis to a company if I wish? Can we then say that lawyers may not work “pro bono” for anyone? Seems to me if one cannot work for private enterprise for nothing then there should be no way to work for a not-for-profit for nothing either, never mind the fact that the NGO is not trying to make a profit. If the Government says that one must pay for the services of each and every individual who does “work” for that organization then that law must apply to every organization. Otherwise, it is a discriminatory application.

  • NeoKong

    How about Organizing For America as well….?
    They use a lot of unpaid volunteers don’t they ?
    Nobody could accuse ACORN of being non-profit now could they ?

  • SusanAnne Hiller

    Because their jobs listing is littered with unpaid intern posts.

  • SusanAnne Hiller

    Socialists HATE profits. Profit bad, socialism good.

  • earlgrey

    Don’t they have unpaid interns?

    I don’t know about the rest of you, but I could sure use some good news today. This is scary. Time to wake up America????

  • http://charlemagne-the-hammer.blogspot.com/ DerKrieger

    to the list of things to undo once Teh One is gone. Does he think rules and regulations initiated and promulgated from the Executive branch are permanent? Just like his EPA attack on CO2, it will be undone once he’s history.

  • wilsonreagan

    It seems to me Obama is failing at his paid internship as leader of what use to be the beacon of hope to the rest of the world. There seems to me so many things like this that should be opposed on constittutional grounds but Republicans just look the other way. When Senator Coburn says” What a nice ladey Speaker Pelosi is”. I worry that the people in Washington for us don’t understand this is a war for our country now. The time for being nice to our “friends” on the other side has long passed. It needs to be all out resistance to everything these decomcrats say and do. I want fighters on our side not nice guys. Because if we don’t win it’s all over.

  • 6eorge Jetson

    interns usually waste a lot more of productive employees current output/time than what they produce in the internship. It’s all about the future.

    Way to reduce incentives for investing in the future.

  • Achance

    has long restricted “volunteering” for work with an employer in interstate commerce – as New Deal Era courts defined interstate commerce. Unless this is something new in the tsunami of “new” coming from the Troika, unpaid volunteers are a real tough thing for any employer and where they do exist probably exist on suffrance from the Dep’t. of Labor.

    To use the most extreme example I can readily think of, if a group of church members decide to voluntarily go clean the grounds or the cemetary from time to time, that is probably FLSA permissible volunteering. If a church member makes it his routine task to clean and maintain the church voluntarily, it may violate the FLSA for he is acting as an employee and is entitled to the minimum wage and overtime for work over 40/wk. And, of course, the church might have the defense, maybe, that it isn’t in interstate commerce or churches may not be covered by the FLSA, haven’t read the thing in awhile, but you get the idea. Maybe a nursing home would be a better example.

  • sta46

    can’t the courts get in on this?

  • Achance

    over the white one or vice versa. The question is whether some act is unlawful discrimination and unlawful discrimination must be a discriminatory act directed against a member of a Constitutionally or statutorily protected class because of that person’s membership in that class.

  • tom246

    While you are correct that we all discriminate everyday. The point of this act by the government is to hamstring private enterprise. This is not as much about discrimination as it is an assault on private business. In other words it isn’t a legal challenge but a philosophical one. What Obummer’s administration is saying is -we don’t believe free enterprise is the answer, because we can’t control it. This could be construed as a Constitutional argument because the constitution was set up to protect the people and free enterprise from the government not the other way around. Another possibility to consider is that this decision discriminates against students by making them choose different majors of study -ones not requiring internships.

    Also, while FLSA does ban unpaid workers, the argument could be made that Interns are paid in kind -they receive a grade, hopefully passing, and they receive experience in their chosen field.

  • Achance
  • mbecker908

    1. I never met an “unpaid worker” who was worth their wage.
    2. Choosing a major that doesn’t require an internship… and your point is????
    3. The reason for interns? See Monica.

  • http://www.veronicaestrada.com/ Veronica Estrada
  • Achance

    and help the SD and the U out. They were universally a PITA and my people had to do more work to get any work out of them than they’d have had to do to do the work themselves. Some of them did have cute belly buttons that you could see before I sent them home to put on respectible business clothes. What makes a young woman think that hip-huggers a quarter inch above pubic hair and with her thong showing in the back is something you ought to wear to work?

  • 4life

    As a minimum wage ‘intern’ at a government lab my advisor was very interested in ‘discussing my future’ over dinner. However I found the invitation creepy and declined. Not all interns are Monicaesque! And how else can a recent college grad get published in scientific journals? Aside from the creepy advisor, it was a great experience that I would recommend.

  • http://www.veronicaestrada.com/ Veronica Estrada

    tremendous source of taxes, in my opinion.

    Obama is looking under every rock, nook and cranny for jobs because he knows the economy is devastated and will only get worse w/ this socialized healthcare for 300 million.

    I also think this is why he has the military out en force, even though he called for a quick removal.

    We’re not just talking Afghan/Pak/Iraq anymore. There’s the Haiti #s.

    Imagine those poor guys coming back and boosting those unemployment numbers.

    Guys are over there doing nothing but peacekeeping and babysitting.

    **

    What “war”? Did you say WOT? .. I didn’t.

  • leonidas

    I work in the media business in NYC. Companies are taking *huge* advantage of new college grads, making them do work that absolutely deserves to be compensated. The kids are being exploited and yes, it hurts the poorest ones the most since they can’t afford to work for free.

    These companies are not charities and these workers are not volunteers.

    For once — mirabile visu — the Obama Administration has it right.

    Pay them as little as possible if you want, but pay them.

    Remember the old saying: “An honest dollar for an honest day’s work.”

  • yoyo

    What “Law” (ie, legislated and voted on and signed) would be broken?

    What Bill was this part of? What CongressCritter/Senator voted for this?

    Or, is this one of those “magical – yet worthless” EOs that BHO seems REALLY good at issuing to circumvent all of us obstructionists?

    Just wondering.

  • yoyo

    If they want a job that pays – ie McDonalds, Burger King, Krogers, Piggly Wiggly – they can. However, the skills learned at those businesses may not translate well into a marketing or business finance career path.

    What I am saying is this: They enter into this agreement knowing that they will be compensated not with dollars, but with experience. They can quit at any time.

    And it isn’t the government’s business. Not one bit. EVERY SINGLE ONE OF THESE STUDENTS ARE ADULTS. By law – REAL law – they are capable of making decisions for themselves and, by law, must live with the results of those decisions.

    And thats all I have to say about that….

  • sta46

    pay taxes. If I read the most recent article correctly, the new threshold is 50,000.00 for a family of 4. If you earn less than that, you pay ZERO and, in some cases, if you can accumulate enough tax credits, you get a check back even though you owe ZERO.
    Amnesty is coming to create more dems so they can keep a stranglehold on this country

  • jimc1969

    Don’t medical students HAVE to take these internships ? This might ( in part ) be a Ploy to raise our medical costs even more than Obamacare already has ?

  • jimc1969

    Don’t medical students HAVE to take these internships ? This might ( in part ) be a Ploy to raise our medical costs even more than Obamacare already has ?

  • spim

    … or whatever

    use the left’s rules of changing the names against them

    I can’t imagine that it would be harder to be smarter than they are at this.

    . . .

    and, of course, get this nonsense put back the way it should be

  • vettepilot

    They’ve already extended the age to which you can stay on your parents’ health insurance to 26 years old. I’m no lawyer, but what’s to say that they don’t just extend the age of minority to 22 or 23, which would cover most college students, and consider these internships illegal child labor? I mean, it’s for the children, right?

    After this regime is through, New York City and possible San Francisco are going to start to resemble Detroit… Both are major financial centers, and we already know how this group of clowns feel about them, and they’re also both the homes of a large number of advertising and marketing firms. Advertising and marketing firms make heavy use of unpaid/modestly paid interns….

  • paulrph1

    Impeachment is called for to rid ourselves of BHO and we still have a country left. The problems is that is not possible with the way the Senate and House are stacked up. We are challenging him and he is losing in the courts but he is employing the executive order on each and every thing to overturn. Is this legal? I believe not and should not be allowed. An executive order does not overturn the Constitution of the US, We are in a real pickle because of the way people have voted for the Congress.

  • Tbone

    How did you get a copy of our dress code?

  • paulrph1

    I am flabbergasted by what is happening and the press and many people are deceived by BHO and his charm. I have never seen a President on TV each and every day like he is. Any of his predecessors were seldom on TV but with him it is a daily thing. He gets on TV and lies and the media believes and publishes his dialogue and many of the mindless just follow. They either do not care and are so stupid they will believe anything. Maybe it is because they are not being taught anything in the school system except to be mindless blobs. He lies on TV but in reality it is in the details where his real self is exposed. Do not believe the rhetoric but believe what he does, that is where the truth lies. Read “Animal Farm” and it just might give you a clue.

  • BA Cyclone

    Leonidas apparently cannot see that people are “paid” by more than mere wages.

    The Obama administration does not “have it right” unless you first begin with the assumptions that:

    1) a business must pay an ‘acceptable’ wage to every employee, regardless of valuable skills, or market values
    2) government has the right to impose its will upon every private contract, regardless of enumerated powers
    3) social justice!
    4) if a business employs any person, they obviously can afford to pay that person for their time regardless of value; businesses are money trees hoarding stashes of money because of greedy CEOs and evil executives
    5) if the government says a private business MUST pay a wage, it won’t mean these intern jobs go away, it will just mean the existing jobs will be paid wages

    So yes, mostly fantasy. Liberal “feeling it is right” fantasy. Relevant facts need not apply.

    This is exactly the kind of inane policy that gets made when you have professional public servants, who have never really worked in the private sector, running the bureacracies in Washington.

  • tlhanger

    I hope everyone who thought Obama’s “change” was for the better has the guts to say “oops”. He is killing capitalism, and your chance to earn a good living.

  • http://andrightlyso.com/ civil_truth

    Why would not the same standards apply to non-profits – aren’t they also subject to labor laws concerning unpaid internships as for-profits? Wouldn’t the exemptions for “educational” purposes be the same?

    Or for that matter, why would for-profits get a different level of government scrutiny than non-profits in terms of compliance with labor laws?

  • mbecker908

    get a real job.

    As a hiring manager and a business owner I rate internships right up there with mowing a lawn as a 10 year old. Well actually, I put more credence in the 10 year old because they got more real business experience with their lawn business.

    Want to get published in a “scientific journal”? Get a job doing real science. I have a really hard time putting together any scenario why a “recent college grad” would have any information worth sharing with the scientific community in a real science journal. Now, if you’re talking about something like “climate science” you probably should lay in a good supply of knee pads.

  • 4life

    And I got the job in the first place because I lacked focus in my job hunt and it became available and paid my few expenses for a few months. The molecules I synthesized (apparently hadn’t been done before) were used by the Phds in their experiments, so got my name on the resulting published articles. It was a good experience for me because I got to see what scientific research was all about without having to earn my masters or Phd. I took a different direction with my career, but have never regretted my ‘intern’ experience. Now that I think about it, my real career started out as a low paying co-op job obtained through my engineering school (after my chem lab experience I went to engineering school for a little while). Maybe my experience was an anamoly. My Phd did say recently that I was the best intern he ever had – and I interned for him 20 years ago, so that meant something to me.

  • leehazel

    One would have to assume that given the overall anti Free Enterprise leanings of this Regime that the following must be next:

    1) no more student loans for business related course work.
    2) no more student loans for degree work in economics. Basic economics is no longer needed in Obama’s America. Just print what you need.
    3) It must follow that if there is no longer a Business Education need then there should also be no further use for businesses as we know them.
    4) Profit and Loss is history. These are meaningless terms.

    Businesses just go to the nearest “Federal Business Continuation Agency” and get a “chit” in the amount necessary to keep operating. Products or Services per se would no longer have meaning along with profit, loss, or any other business, enterprise or market related terminology or concept.

    Welcome to Socialist Utopia!!!

    PC is Thought Control
    LEE

  • grandma

    and develop skills that the univs haven’t taught them.

    This is just another ploy to erase the knowledge of how the market works, for future generations. All dictators try to erase the “old people” who can pass on the love for freedom – hence “obama Hellcare.”

    Through this decree, this dictator can now erase the knowledge of free enterprise. (The under 26 children might start loving free enterprise.) If the children can only turn to gov approved internships, they will be indoctrinated by gov.

  • http://www.veronicaestrada.com/ Veronica Estrada
  • leehazel

    I hear everyday comments to the effect that “we are moving left way to fast”.

    We are moving at a rate that modern communications technology allows. Lenin, nor Hitler, nor Mussolini or for that matter Mao, Pol Pot, Amin et al had todays tools.

    Add to that a slobbering, lapdog media that can find no wrong in left wing policies or antics and an educational community already moth-eaten through unionism, Political Correctness, and the poisons of Tenure and Hubris.

    And, a Judiciary that can’t seem to come to grips with what our Constitution, Bill of Rights and background documents such as The Federalist papers clearly state regarding basic God given rights.

    In order to reign this Juggernaut in, a concerted effort of proportions never seen since the patriotic days of WWII will be required

    Are We Up To It America???
    PC is Thought Control
    LEE

  • 4life

    I googled my name and my two Phd’s names at this article popped up containing all three:

    http://www.springerlink.com/content/g476178306m3r340/

    Now, this isn’t the article with my name on it, but apparently this paper references the article with my name on it published about ten years earlier. Now that’s pretty cool! So maybe it was real science after all!

  • Common_Cents

    Along with the targeting of the private sector.

    Pretty soon they’ll be claiming lawn boys, babysitters, and domestic engineers as formal jobs created. I’m only half kidding.

  • leonidas

    Conservatives should think that it’s right to pay fair wages for fair work, and that includes work performed by interns.

    It’s not fair or right to insist that newbies work for free in order to get a chance at paying work at some future time. That is what’s happening now and it’s wrong. Just because rich kids may be willing to work for free doesn’t mean that it’s right to insist that they work for free.

    And we’re talking about work for profit-making businesses — including ones that I know of with billions of dollars in revenue — not 501-c-3 organizations where people are volunteers for a higher purpose.

    This is not a left-right thing, it’s a moral thing. Oh, and there are laws that apply too…

  • 4life

    My name is actually on this page! And really, I didn’t have any idea when I took the job of what it really would entail. And since I didn’t continue in chemistry it is especially fun to find my name with a Google search.

    http://pubs.acs.org/doi/abs/10.1021/ja00002a076

  • grandma

    This article lists the “rules” about internships. Please see: The War on Internships at http://mises.org/daily/4243

  • JTAnderson

    Leonidas, I must respectfully disagree. This is not a moral issue. It is a left-right thing. Two sides are bargaining here.

    The interns are there of their free will because they want to get the experience and the skills and they want them so badly they will work for no cash as long as they can acquire the skills.

    The corporations want the labor – they don’t want it badly enough to pay for it, but some very smart college students will work for free if the corporation shares its valuable knowledge with them.

    Everyone in this exchange wins. Until the gov comes along and says something like “that’s not fair!” or “its a moral issue!”. Then the gov says you have to pay your interns. The interns will be pleased until the corporation cancels the program because it is too expensive and there are no opportunities to get experience at the corporation. And the corporation loses because now they have to pay some unemployed 30 year old minimum wage to do what the interns were doing. So now everyone loses, except for the people who feel that their ambiguous moral inclinations were satisfied.

  • leftylurker

    And non profits can take donations without tax liability.

    Not saying I agree, as I think there is a lot to be gained from internships, but I think this is how they’re splitting the differences.

  • leonidas

    I’m watching big companies tap-dancing as fast as they can at the edges of employment law. (Yes, no matter what some Red State respondents may say, there really are established sets of laws around employment that have nothing to do with BHO’s reckless politics or tendency towards megalomania.)

    They make the interns bring their own laptops (this gets them around the “using company equipment” rule).

    They won’t keep them on for more than 90 days (this gets them around the “they’re not FTEs rule”).

    They won’t let them work more than x hours per week (see above).

    This isn’t about giving kids experience. It’s about a business advantage by not paying for labor.

    I’m a business owner — I know what I’m talking about — the free intern thing stinks to high heaven. Workers are not volunteers. They should be paid. Period.

  • Menlo

    A corporation or any large business is not going to be hurt by paying minimum wage or even slightly more to someone part-time for a short period of time. Only the smallest of businesses, struggling to make it, are going to have a problem.

  • Common_Cents

    If you are going to pay interns then
    why not pay kids to go to college ?

    why not pay people for job interviews?

  • Common_Cents
  • Doc Holliday

    if the government stays out of it. But there are instances where “interns” are basically slaves. You see it on Capitol Hill all the time. There are so many young, educated, college graduates vying for political careers, most of them end up working for free or a pittance.

    Now the market theory here is they are so drawn to “working” in politics, that demand is very high hence supply is low and in this case, the price actually goes down. But also, you have a stratified market where some make a lot of money and since they don’t need to pay the newbies, they won’t.

    In the end, the market is not free because there is no free flow of resources, there is an oligopoly than knows they can get away with it. This is why most that come to DC end up going home with their tails tucked between their legs.

    I am as libertarian as they come on economic issues. However, there is something un American and anti-capitalist about working for free. If a person’s work provides no value, then that person should work somewhere else. If a persons work provides value (and most interns provide way more value than average) then they should be compensated for their value.

  • Doc Holliday

    is very much a European idea. Guilds were created to favor the masters and use the slave labor of the apprentice. These guilds became more powerful than political parties and were the precursors to unions.

    You are quite right in saying this system predated America, it did so by probably a thousand years or more.

    I am not saying the government should have a say one way or the other, they don’t really have that power. On the other hand, if there is going to be a minimum wage, then it should prevail. You don’t see many blue collar interns. Actually it is the young, educated, without contacts that end up interns. It is true that internships can be used to gain knowledge and jump start a career. But it is also true that many companies and many political organizations use interns as de facto slave labor.

  • streetwise

    I don’t mind seeing Goldman Sachs and then like pay interns.

  • mommyozzy

    BHO and his administration seek to take away our rights to make our own decisions. Whether you believe internships to be “morally” wrong (snicker, eye roll), it does not matter. They are still voluntary arraingements! No one is forcing anyone to take an internship!!! If a recent grad CHOOSES to take an internship, it’s his own business. Not yours, and CERTAINLY not the governments’!

  • cabanon

    internships outright. Labor Department?s Nancy Leppink is basically enforcing the Labor Departments already existing criteria for unpaid internships that is outdated:

    “Many employers say the Labor Department?s six criteria need updating because they are based on a Supreme Court decision from 1947, when many apprenticeships were for blue-collar production work.”

    Some companies might be abusing the internship practice particularly in a down economy so some extra enforcement might not be a bad thing some updating of the criteria would be a better start though.

  • cabanon

    I don’t think anything has past Congress nor has anything be issued by BHO as far as I can tell. Its been extrapolated from the Labor Department.

  • momma

    The requirement for all corporations that accepted TARP or other public bailout money to ‘hire’ a certain number of interns at a ‘minimum’ wage.

    Just wait.

  • http://andrightlyso.com/ civil_truth

    If there were a tax problem associated with unpaid internships, then the IRS would weigh in on the matter – perhaps by the businesses having to declare an accrued value of the labor as a taxable event. But that would have nothing to do with the ability to accept such unpaid service.

    But what’s being said here is that unpaid internships are illegal per se on behalf of a for-profit business but not on behalf of a non-profit entity, simply because of the for-profit status. That makes no sense.

    Especially since non-profits have to follow labor law concerning their employees. They can’t escape labor law simply by calling their employees “volunteers” – analgous to the “independent contractor” law – it has to do with the job conditions and relationship, not the employing entity status as profit of non-profit.

  • Achance

    between how the FLSA applies to for-profits v. non-profits. I really don’t think there is one, so this may be the place where Comrade Obama is playing favorites. I think that in the un-nuanced world of 1938 an employer was an employer without regard to it’s tax status. Somebody getting paid for this can sort it out.

  • yoyo

    Well, let’s extrapolate this curve out further….

    Congressional Pages – What is thier market value? How much should I be paying for them (I am a taxpayer, after all). The DOL has no problem with a bunch of 13 through 16 yo kids working for our CongressCritters/Senators. Last I checked, that classifies as Child Labor.

    White House Interns (think Monica Lewinski) – What was her Market Value (to anyone OTHER THAN Bill)? She was a college student looking to get some skills and connections [my gahd, it is difficult to write that and keep a straight face] yet knew VERY LITTLE. I can argue that the experience gained far exceeded any monitary value that could be placed on an hour by hour (or 15 minute-by-15 minute) basis. [sorry, I just HAD TO WRITE THAT. The Compulsion overtook me.]

    AHHHH, you are correct. These are Public Sector internships. That makes all the difference. Shaw-right (Channelling Bill & Ted).

    I still stand by the “If I want paid, I find a paying job. If I want an internship, I had better ALSO find a paying job.” Either case, it is a voluntary decision on my part, and a two party agreement between myself and the Corp bringing me on.

    And doesn’t National Review ask for interns every year? I recall the ads in the Corner…. Which brings me to the title:

    KJ Lopez, J Goldberg, J Geraghty, JJ Miller, D Foster = Evil Intern Slave Drivers

  • teapartyatperrysburg

    What about student teachers? Schools certainly can’t afford to pay them. Aren’t they free internships?

  • http://pocketchangeproductions.net/ anotherindyfilmguy

    destroying the Nation as it exists under the Constitution. Just one more stab at that from the “O” to hurt business in America or anyone who wants to someday work for business.

  • Doc Holliday

    my title comes from that angry confused diatribe.

  • youstolemycolor

    They are not talking about banning paid internships or educational ones they are talking about the students who are getting pimped to clean bathrooms and do menial work with no compensation be it career specific job skills or at least a minimum wage…. If these benevolent for profit corporations paid interns a minimum wage they would no longer be unemployed and if they got rid of them and had to hire someone to vacuum the office it would put others back to work…think about what it teaches young adults when we tell them it is ok too be exploited

  • yoyo

    Re-reading that, I seemed to have the focus of a Prism.

    My bad. Seesh.

    In my meager defense, it was too early for my coffee to have taken full effect….

    ‘:o)~

  • Doc Holliday

    already forgot it. :)