The ABCs of Repealing ObamaCare


Our own Brian Darling has today’s top story at Human Events.

Conservatives want to repeal every single word of ObamaCare.  They want ObamaCare euthanized so Congress can start over with true healthcare reform that lowers prices, restores free markets and gets the government out of the decision-making process.


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Brian Darling (Diary) Monday, April 12th at 11:43AM EDT (link)

To the readers of Red State,
Are you for:
A) Repeal;
B) Repeal and Replace;
C) Repeal and Start Over: or,
D) Repeal Parts and Preserve Popular Elements of ObamaCare.
Clearly I am for A. I am very interested if the loyal readers of Red State are ready to die on the hill of Repeal or something short of Repeal. I would be fascinated to hear if you are for A, B, C, or D (or even none of the above) and why. Thanks.

Repeal

Stan(ley) Pruss (Diary) Monday, April 12th at 12:02PM EDT (link)

Really any of A,B or C will do as long as repeal comes first and all the dems hired to implement it are fired. I believe everything Obama et al have done has the hidden purpose of taking money from Republicans and giving it to Democrats (and possibly RINOS). That has been the pattern in Illinois.

A, B or C

earlgrey (Diary) Monday, April 12th at 3:45PM EDT (link)

nt

If we do D than we own the bill and the wrecked system. Any issues are blamed on R’s.

 
 

Repeal...

Hugh (Diary) Monday, April 12th at 3:59PM EDT (link)

Then decide if there is another course of action. Do not connect the two. Waiting is not necessarily a bad idea. I think we all have jumped on board to the idea that there is a serious problem. The problem could be worked out in the free market if we got out of the middle and quit meddling. Create an atmosphere of competition, connect paying for services to those using services, and get out of the way. There are too many people that believe their superior knowledge is better than the sum of the knowlege of the people. That is not true.

Socialism in general has a record of failure so blatant that only an intellectual could ignore or evade it.
Thomas Sowell

 

The Free Market is the only solution that

The_Gadfly (Diary) Monday, April 12th at 5:08PM EDT (link)

will maximize choices, so that makes me lean toward B or C, with an option on A, but a Heck* No! on D.

The reason I lean toward B or C rather than A is that there was too much socialism in the system BEFORE The Big 0 got to it. We need to remove that in order for the market to work. I also think the sorts of laws that would fix those issues would properly fall within either the tax code or the commerce clause. Adjusting the tax status of healthcare payments and removal of state restrictions on who can sell insurance within the state respectively.

I think The Heritage Foundation did some good work on this that if either of the Bushes had been any good at marketing would have taken the air out The Big 0′s Big Issue long before he had a chance to run in the primary.

*”Heck No: because this is a Family Friendly site. I wouldn’t even get a chance to apologize if I wrote what I really want to.

 

C

Bill S (Diary) Monday, April 12th at 10:42PM EDT (link)

But you pretty much knew that already.

“It’s such a fine line between stupid, and clever.” – David St. Hubbins

 
 

A)

redneck_hippie (Diary) Monday, April 12th at 11:54AM EDT (link)

because it will keep us united. Muddying the water gets us tangled up in the small weeds and allows the enemy to counterattack and nitpick.

A) really means repeal and replace, in the way I heard someone say last week, Repeal Ocare, and Replace Obama in ’12


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I would have said repeal and start over...

gracie (Diary) Monday, April 12th at 2:00PM EDT (link)

but our esteemed member above me reminds me that it would cause confusion and invite endless argument. So:
Repeal
Replace Obama
Start Over, replacing Healthcare as described by Brian Darling but ONLY when conservatives have enough power to to it correctly.

The worst thing would be to “work with the Democrats” to improve this bill. While we may agree on a few points we do not agree on how to get there. Plus many of the worst elements are the wicked little taxes woven throughout the bill, incidiously attacking American free markets. Dump it!
We have got to encourage our side to hang tough and NOT to compromise!

 
 

Obamacare?

cwb33 Monday, April 12th at 12:01PM EDT (link)

Don’t you mean that conservatives want to repeal and replace Romneycare, what is essentially Nixoncare and what is also essentially what Ronald Reagan proposed in the 1980s? That would be a LOT more accurate.

Obvious troll is obvious - nt

cabanon Monday, April 12th at 9:39PM EDT (link)

“The tree of liberty must be refreshed from time to time with the blood of patriots and tyrants.”

 
 

repeal

rfpzzzzz Monday, April 12th at 1:01PM EDT (link)

I have thought about this a bit and I think if the mid terms do serious enough damage to Dems there is a possibility of some near death conversions after the election making repeal a possibility sooner than the GOP alone 2013 minimum date.On the other hand, if the country doesn’t throw out Pelosi from the speakership , I shudder at what the arrogance of Dems would lead to over the next 2 years.

 

Not going to happen

Menlo (Diary) Monday, April 12th at 5:13PM EDT (link)

The reality here is that it is delusional to think it would ever be “repealed.” That’s not pessimism but reality.

“The ultimate touchstone of constitutionality is the Constitution itself and not what we have said about it.” -Felix Frankfurter

Menlo = Eeyore

IJB Monday, April 12th at 7:35PM EDT (link)

And it’s getting to be a really tiresome act.

This site is dedicated to activism – if you’d rather sit in your room and complain how the world is against you and is never going to change, this isn’t the site for you.

The rest of us have work to do.

 
 

"A"

grandma Monday, April 12th at 7:43PM EDT (link)

A commenter at the Human Events website suggested an excellent link regarding how this bill might best be dismantled. The link is a podcast of John Yoo at Ricochet. He has a very interesting thought.

http://podcast.ricochet.com/ricochet-podcast-special-edition-john-yoo.mp3

 

Option D, because in time people will be hooked

SteveLA (Diary) Monday, April 12th at 8:33PM EDT (link)

Option D in my view will probably be the only course that can be done.

Why?

By the time Republicans have a large enough voting block in the Senate and the House, people will be hooked on some aspects of Obamacare and won’t want to give those parts up. The 2010 election might change the balance in the Senate, and less chance in the House, at best some sort of R majority in 2012 with being able to do something in terms of revising Obamacare.

Probably the preexisting condition provisions, probably the extension of benefits to your children who are not fully employed. I haven’t looked close enough, but there are going to be other “goodies” that people will have grown to like.

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Competency over ideological purity and litmus tests

 

A

southernilpat Monday, April 12th at 11:35PM EDT (link)

This behemoth is too complex and wordy to try to salvage any part of it. It needs to be dead in the water, and while they are at it eliminate some of the other burdensome regulations that have caused the explosion in health care prices in the first place by divorcing the consumer from consideration of cost versus value.

 

10 in '2010

SoFiMil (Diary) Tuesday, April 13th at 12:43AM EDT (link)

Let’s make it happen and retake the Senate.

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