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Tea Party Movement 2.0

Move beyond protesting to fighting in primaries, ballot boxes, and becoming more effective activists.

“[T]o change the paradigms, to … blow them up, we must get involved in the existing processes of politics and government, not create something new to compete.”

House Majority Leader Steny Hoyer admits the tea party movement is getting members of Congress to thing about retiring.

Most excellent.

And that is what the movement should be about, more or less, but there is much more too. And judging by the reaction from yesterday, a lot of people got the point I was making, but a vocal minority not only did not get it, but were highly offended and thought I was attacking them.

Of course I was not attacking them. I would have to be attacking myself. I have said repeatedly that I consider myself part of the tea party movement. But their reaction and that of others suggests to me too many have become so fixated on being a part of this thing called the tea party movement that there is a reluctance to move forward into something else.

A friend suggested I should have referred to it as Tea Party 2.0, which actually gets to the gist of what I am talking about, but I am more and more convinced we must leave behind the moniker of the tea party.

Let me see if I can break this down again without causing more wailing and gnashing of teeth.

The Good

The tea party movement has gotten a lot of people off the sidelines and into the political arena. The reason the tea party movement is so shocking to so many is because you never see those types of people protesting. Tea party activists are worried about making ends meet, taking care of their families, and doing their jobs. They are not typical protestors. When they take to the street people notice.

Look at what Hoyer said.

The tea party movement also brought together a lot of likeminded citizens who thought they were alone in the world. They realized that not only were they not alone, but there were millions of others just as concerned.

Both Democrats and Republicans have become fearful. In fact, I know that just the other day a group of Congressional Republicans were sitting around a table ridiculing “teabaggers.” And some of these are Republicans that the tea party movement has embraced as their own.

They hate us because of our success.

The Bad

With the success of the tea party movement came the charlatans who could turn a silver phrase and dazzle the masses. And the money changers came in too. Read, if you will, this article this morning.

This happens in every successful group, but many of us have found it off-putting. My rule of thumb has been and remains to work with local tea party activists, not the national groups. That’s not to ding the national groups, but I find it more productive to work with local groups. And that won’t change.

There is, however, something more troublesome that I am seeing more and more of after yesterday’s post. A lot of people in the tea party movement have gotten a bunker mentality. My suggestion to move beyond the tea party movement was seen as an attack on it. Nothing could be further from the truth.

I’ve been derided as selling out for CNN, using my post to promote “competitors,” etc. There will always be crackpots convinced of something that is not so, but those people are not the majority of the tea party activists. But it gets me back to my overarching point.

In fact, already this morning I’m getting emails related to this article that this is just another media attack against the tea party movement. No it isn’t. And I think some in the movement need greater discernment.

The issues and advocacy within the tea party movement are issues that resonate with the majority of Americans. By continuing to be a “tea party protestor” I and others willingly pull ourselves out of the class of people known as “Americans” and become just one of those “tea party guys.”

Couple that with all these national groups that want to keep us as tea party guys and it becomes increasingly harder to reach the next step — to get to Tea Party 2.0.

I would submit that the people who want to get involved have gotten involved. And now to keep them involved, we need to move on lest they get bored. There is only so much protesting we can do.

And (and I realize this wasn’t clear enough originally) this requires the existence of local tea party groups. It just requires them to step up their game and be willing to let go.

What Tea Party 2.0 Looks Like

First of all, I think tea party 2.0 requires we stop calling ourselves tea party activists. We are citizens, taxpayers, voters, and Americans. Saying we are part of some designated group makes it too easy for malicious souls to dismiss us. We are Americans dammit!

I have cringed in the past 24 hours when I have seen people say I was attacking the tea party movement. That’s just it! The attacks sustained by us within the tea party movement by the media and the left have been attacks against our country’s ideals. They aren’t tea party attacks. They are attacks on the America as we know it. And I’m not the one attacking.

Throwing the tea party movement under the bus would be me throwing myself under the bus.

But for a while now I’ve thought that there has to be something more. The national groups doing tea party organization have been nibbling at the edges, but I don’t think are doing enough — putting a little tabasco into the existing sauce really isn’t changing it up to have a greater impact. If anything, the tea party movement appears to be pulling itself out of the existing political process trying to reinvent the wheel. We should be pushing ourselves into the process.

My personal and internal private motto on Redstate lately is “blow s**t up.” It is the existing paradigms that need to go. That is one reason I am insistent on supporting outsiders as candidates these days. But to change the paradigms, to metaphorically blow them up, we must get involved in the existing processes of politics and government, not create something new to compete. The deck is stacked against us from the outside.

That is why I am supportive of things like American Majority’s Post Party Summits and the Defending the Dream Summit and Right Online among others including but not limited to Freedom Works and Smart Girl Politics. I have no affiliation with these groups, but I gladly give up my time, vacation, and family time to go to these events and speak in groups, one on one, and in workshops about greater activism, commitment, and education.

I have to laugh at the accusation that I’m out to undermine the tea party movement because of my affiliation with American Majority. American Majority just happens to be doing exactly what I think needs to be done: training existing tea party activists to get them to the next level of political involvement.

Another reason I like these groups is because they are very clearly separate from the tea party movement, but involved as facilitators. They’ll help local groups, train local groups, and get them to where I think we need to go.

The Nutshell

So where do we need to go?

In a nutshell: back to the classroom then into our town halls, state legislatures, Congress, and online. Some are already doing that. Good. I encourage that.

But I go to tea party events all over the country and hear people say “Get involved,” only to have actual tea party activists go home, email me, and ask the “how” that the person on stage never bothered to get to.

We must move beyond the protests and get to the fight. We are effective now. We should not settle. How much more effective can we be? I submit we can be more effective by throwing off the tea party label that has become, way too often, a clique, and embracing this as a very American cause — the first amendment right to protest, petition, and speak up.

This post is already too long, so let me get to bullet points:

  • Learn how to be a better online activist.
  • Start paying attention to your local government.
  • Learn how to run for office and be a campaign strategist, whether or not you want to run or want to be a strategist. You will find the skills extremely useful.
  • Write letters to the editor of your paper.
  • Call in to local radio shows — not national, local.
  • Find candidates you like and support them, blog about them, promote them and fund them.
  • Stay connected to like minded souls in your community to know you are not alone — why I still like and support local tea party groups.
  • Become active in the political party of your choice. Change it from the inside, not the outside.
  • Learn to discern.
  • Above all else: remember that when the left attacks the tea party activists, they are attacking the foundation of America. Stop responding as an aggrieved tea party activist and start asking what part of the American way of life they have a problem with.

All of the groups I mentioned above and others can help.

Conclusion

We have moved beyond the tea party movement. It served its role well and ably. It got people off the sidelines. But we need to move on. We need to become more involved in our local communities, politics, and above all else we must get into the existing political process.

You want to keep protesting, that’s fine by me. I support it. What I don’t support though is staying in the mindset that has developed. We must move on. The tea parties have served an honorable and good purpose. But we have to grow to Tea Party 2.0, which involves embracing the tea party legacy while moving beyond it.

COMMENTS

  • rcyclist

    I feel much better now that you filled in some of the holes. I still feel we can use the ‘Tea Parties” or whatever name you want to use, as a vehicle to get more people involved beyond protests. Thanks for “stirring the pot.” I think the sleeping giant is awakening, the future of conservatism is looking brighter, thanks to people like you.

  • the_invisible_hand

    And I didn’t see a good justification for not calling it the Tea Party movement or Tea Party 2.0.

    If you think a name change will stop the media from demonizing I’d like a reason why. It feels like you are trying to phase out the use of a great brand name. You are like the brilliant ad exec that thought “New Coke” was a great idea, but you can’t beat the real thing.

    The Tea Party movement is vital and the brand is vital to maintain. We should not try to phase it out and fix what isn’t broken. Why can’t we just be a more active and engaged Tea Party? Why do you insist on the name change? A rose by any other name…

    I don’t think you are someone attacking the Tea Party, but in that long post you didn’t give any reason to abandon the Tea Party logo other than we’ll get attacked by the drive by media which will attack us no matter what. And there is ever reason to believe that the Tea Party movement is not broke and doesn’t need to be fixed or upgraded in my view.

    The Tea Party movement is spontaneous order arising from discontent. Trying to take control of it and guide it is a mistake akin to central planning of the economy. Let it be.

  • NeoKong

    I do not see why we need to abandon the moniker of Tea Party.
    Why….so some lefty a$$ wipe might use it to make fun of us….?
    Let them.
    It hasn’t worked yet and it only makes them look like an angry bitter creep.
    Which is true.
    Are far as those Congressional Republicans sitting around the table having a good laugh at our expense they better be damn careful no one drops their name or they might end up as former Congressional Republicans.
    Tea Parties are the best damn thing that ever happened to them.
    They are the ones who lost the House. Not “Americans”

    .
    If they get the House back in November it won’t be their victory alone and they had better realize that fast.
    WE ARE THE ONES HANDING THEM THE KEYS AGAIN.
    If they want our vote and our money they would do well to keep their snickering to themselves and start listen instead of blustering.
    I don’t mind telling you Erick (with respect) that their are plenty of “Americans” who are laughing at who we have representing us only it ain’t so funny.

  • http://www.voterubio2010.com nelsa

    happening already through osmosis. Isn’t it? I agree with “Tea Party” 2.0

    Remember, this IS the first time in my lifetime that I have seen conseratives in the streets in peaceful revolt. I think it’s a great start.

  • http://erickbrockway.wordpress.com/ Erick Brockway

    I’ve always thought of a tea party as an event to go to, network, meet new people, educate and be educated. It should not be the end, but the means to get to an end. If an organization wants to have a tea party, fine. If that organization wants to be the Tea Party, that I have a problem with.
    The end all; get conservatives elected, not be entertained.
    There are those who use the movement as a way to get recognition, others as a hobby. We’re fighting for the life of America, and the only way to save her is get the leftists out, and replaced by those who understand we are a constitutional republic and need to stay that way.

  • freedoms1st

    Erick –
    GREAT article! Spot on – moving from protest (a necessary first step) to proactive ACTION is critically important…

    One extremely important paradigm shift about which you may or may not be aware concerns the oft-ignored, but immensely powerful & influential, 3rd branch of our government: the judiciary.

    Activist judges “legislating from the bench” have advanced the growth of government beyond constitutionally authorized limits and eroded individual rights.

    Many people think that nothing can be done…

    To the contrary. Many states elect judges (at all levels). Many states (including my home state of Colorado) don’t – but have retention elections, allowing voters to exercise SOME accountability.

    This year, Colorado has a unique opportunity: to send 4 of 7 Supreme Court justices (all of whom happen to be activist, anti-constitutional judges) home following the November elections.

    Not only is this retention election of immense importance to Colorado (particularly given the dominant role of the court in legislative redistricting), but will also send a powerful message nationwide about holding judges accountable to the Constitution and the rule of law.

    Please give some thought to profiling (and supporting) Clear The Bench Colorado (http://www.clearthebenchcolorado.org) and support the return of accountability – to the people, and to the Constitution – to the judiciary.

    Thanks,
    Matt Arnold
    Director, Clear The Bench Colorado

  • http://www.theprecinctproject.wordpress.com ColdWarrior

    I believe that should be priority number one. While doing that, do all the other things, too. Conservatives, in my humble opinion, should focus on taking back the Republican Party — HALF the precinct committeemen slots, the backbone of the Party itself, were vacant after the 2008 elections.

    As I posted in another thread yesterday, imagine if the CNN news report about Hoyer’s remarks instead had been something along these lines:

    (CNN) ? House Majority Leader Steny Hoyer admitted Tuesday that the fact that Michael Steele has announced that the Republican Party has, in one year?s time, gone from half-strength to full-strength at the grass roots level, having filled up every vacant precinct committeeman slot across the country, overwhelmingly from the ?tea party? ranks, is having an impact on lawmakers? decisions about running for another term.

    ?Do I think that re-invigoration of the Republican Party at the grass roots level in every precinct in America, that?s been created by the Tea Party and by others certainly goes into the thinking of Members? I think it does. I think you honestly have to point out that it does,? Hoyer told reporters at his weekly pen and pad session in the Capitol.

    ?????

    I spoofed this kind of thing back in February here:

    http://www.redstate.com/coldwarrior/2010/02/12/michael-steeles-urgent-memo-to-the-gop-state-chairmen/

    Thank you.
    ColdWarrior
    Conservatives of the U.S., UNITE! Become Republican precinct committeemen and CHANGE the Party and the world! NOW!

  • Kate_Shanahan

    I’m an old saw, so to speak, in the activist arena. I saw the demonization and infiltration in United We Stand, and then in the Reform Party. Political parties often kill the messenger, because they become too powerful and threaten the institution. Well, the institution needs to be threatened.

    I don’t think ridicule and demonization are particularly attractive methods for you to employ, so be sure to measure twice before you launch a missile. This country needs the strength and passion of the Tea Party activists to push the Republican Party to do what must be done.

  • jaydickb

    Hence, working with local groups is very good. Communication among local groups and members from different regions is good; effective ideas and methods can be spread this way. But, there should be no central control.

    I also see no net advantage to dropping the “tea party” label. Any name will be a mixed bag, and the tea party name is widely known and respected.

  • Aaron Gardner

    That was perfectly stated.

    I embrace the movement, even though I won’t embrace a national organization.

  • jenniferjmilleresq

    are you the only major voice (in new media or conservative politics) directing protesters to get involved in their Republican precincts and telling them how? I hear Dick Morris and others talkiing about developing our own “virtual precincts” torun our own campaigsn and “showing up at the polls in November” but why don’t they direct people to get elected precinct committeemen? I think I know the answer, but I don’t want to be unjustifiably cynical.

  • http://hillbillypolitics.com Steph C

    It just gives the left more ammunition in my mind. Nothing is going to change the media meme.

    However, there is a change I’d like to request; Instead of Tea shouldn’t it be T.E.A. as in Taxed Enough Already?

  • hickorystick

    Went from Tea Party to forming Resolves. What specifically would the Tea Party have Congress do or change. If Mitch McConnel came to you today, Erick, and said I give up, you win, I’ll give you three things; what would that be?
    In Seattle we had a general strike. The only one that ever happened in the US. One of the most powerful voices in the movement, a Miss Strong, wrote a article on the eve of the strike titled, “Where will this lead?,…nobody knows. Being a good little Socialist the implication was it could lead to revolutionary changes. But what she was really asking, what do we expect to accomplish? What she was saying is the Union Leaders lacked a plan for success. She was right. Everyone sat around for five days, bored to tears. They finally went back to work because it was costing them wages, for no purpose. It took 20 years, and Dave beck to figure it out.
    That was their deal, what is ours?

  • the_invisible_hand

    Specifically, which congressmen embraced by the Tea Party have been dismissing it in private? I have my suspicions, but I think it is your duty to tell us who is using us while really hating us.

  • The_Rebel

    As Rick Santelli said: ?The Tea Party needs no leader, just passionate citizens and a ballot box?! That may be an oversimplification, but it captures the essence of the movement.

  • The_Rebel

    from these kinds of attacks and sabotage:

    http://michellemalkin.com/2010/04/14/alinskys-avenging-angels-tea-party-saboteurs/

    Not marginalize their name or cause in their hour of need.

  • acat

    That was one of the original Tea Party talking points – and it resonates fairly well with Joe Sixpack as well.

    I don’t think it has coalesced into a preferred method to enforce it yet – an amendment specifying that “Government can tax no more than 1/5 GDP; government can spend no more than 1/5 GDP” comes to mind, but a 5 year moratorium on new taxes and fees would also work, short-term….

    “Shrinking government” is also a good talking point, but that’s a harder sell because it involves directly naming and goring many oxen, and we know the Dems will squeal like babies …. Easier to cut funds and let ‘em wither on the vine.

    Mew

  • Kate_Shanahan

    because it would drive away the Democrats and Independents. The less said the better. This movement is a coalition of the concerned, not a Republican outreach program.

    To defeat the atrocities that are planned for us, we need all hands, even dems and independents. After all, as Obama keeps reminding us, this is not just a one-party nation. You can’t step on the necks of the opposition and expect success.

  • hickorystick

    -I don?t think it has coalesced into a preferred method to enforce it yet – an amendment specifying that ?Government can tax no more than 1/5 GDP; government can spend no more than 1/5 GDP? comes to mind, but a 5 year moratorium on new taxes and fees would also work, short-term?.-

    This is a very good idea Cat.

    Concrete, easily visualized, I can see the American People supporting this.

    What else is rattling around in the Cat’s Lair?

  • jenniferjmilleresq

    what are “all hands” supposed to do to achieve that “success?”

  • politicschickrtr

    ….name those Congressmen: “In fact, I know that just the other day a group of Congressional Republicans were sitting around a table ridiculing ?teabaggers.? As we’re learning how to move forward we can learn how to remove them from office too. Sigh – makes me wonder if we can trust anyone anymore.

  • http://www.theprecinctproject.wordpress.com ColdWarrior

    Jennifer, you raise a great question, and I have stated the answer here at Redstate many times.

    The reason those who know the answer for getting our country back on track (getting conservatives to INVADE the Republican Party at the precinct level and then rebuild in from the precinct level on up) is because it is not in the best interests of their own political careers.

    Even someone like Mike Pence, even someone like Jim DeMint, is open to criticism for not being “conservative enough” and having been in elective office too long. They FEAR that if conservatives flock into the precinct committeemen ranks back in their home district/state, that even they might be swept out of office by some “more conservative, non-professional politician” challenger in the all-important, traditionally-very-low-turnout Republican primary. They FEAR the traditionally-very-low-turnout primary might turn into a very-large-turnout primary — AGAINST them.

    I don’t know this for a fact, but my guess is Mike Pence has compromised his principles and voted for awful legislation to “go along to get along” in DC. Even Jim DeMint, and Tom Coburn, and the other “conservative” Senators could have gummed up the works in the Senate enough so the Obamacare bill would STILL be in debate in the Senate. Maybe they have earmarks in their past. (I wrote abou this recently here: http://www.redstate.com/jrichardson/2010/04/07/jeff-flake-porkers-like-hayworth-cost-gop-congress/#comment-2626 ) Fact of the matter is, for example, NONE of the Republican senators did a “Mr. Smith Goes to Washington” and FOUGHT tooth and toenail against Obamacare, using every Senate Standing Rule each of them had the absolute right to invoke ON BEHALF OF THE AMERICAN PEOPLE and their constituents. They could have, but they didn’t. And, because of that, they know they are vulnerable IF enough conservatives come into the Party as PCs and take up the cause of a “more conservative, non-professional politician” challenger.

    This is why they won’t talk about the actual nuts-and-bolts of rebuilding the Party from the bottom up — they FEAR what might happen to THEM.

    In my humble opinion.

    Thank you.
    ColdWarrior
    Conservatives, UNITE! Become Republican precinct committeemen and CHANGE the Party — and the World! NOW!

  • http://www.laborunionreport.comandhttp://www.laborunionreport.blogspot.com LaborUnionReport

    It’s too early to stop the action in the streets. After November? Good.

    However, right now, the Left is so beside themselves that they are sending goons out to infiltrate tomorrow’s Tax Day protest.

    Why they’ve publicized it is simply moronic, but they did.

    http://bigjournalism.com/mrichmond/2010/04/14/tea-party-crasher-hides-personal-politico-manifesto-no-wonder/

    They will also likely try to provoke violence (which is why there should be wall to wall video cameras and embedded reporters).

    Realizing that you’re not exactly discouraging going to the rallies it was the comments yesterday and today that are sending mixed messages:

    “As one of those people who turned out for the initial protests, the later protests, flew around the country speaking at rallies, etc. I would like to say goodbye.

    I hope the activists on the street will leave with me…

    and

    “After you have been to your tax day tea party protest on Thursday, and please don?t view me as discouraging you from one last big hurrah, I hope you?ll leave the tea party protests behind and engage in the process.

    And today:

    “We have moved beyond the tea party movement. It served its role well and ably. It got people off the sidelines. But we need to move on.”

    Kudos to you for the call to move to the next level. However, keep the grass fires burning through November along with elevating the strategy through November and beyond.

    The two are not mutually exclusive.

  • cwilson

    Erick, don’t play coy:

    a group of Congressional Republicans were sitting around a table ridiculing ?teabaggers.?

  • http://www.scragged.com petrarch

    I think Erick is making an excellent point, now that I understand it clearly.

    Did the original Tea Partiers go back the next night to throw more tea into the harbor, and the next, and the next? No. They used the Tea Party as a talking point to get attention, but then moved on to different sorts of activism in pursuit of their ultimate goals.

    In that case, they wound up armed and fighting the American Revolution, and I hope none of us want to go there now. But the point remains: stage the big show, then use the momentum to actually enact change. In the context of our republican democracy, that means, un-elect the swine and replace them with Constitutionalists – which isn’t going to get accomplished with weekly sign-holding protests.

    Once a year is OK, though, and I’ll be at the DC Tea Party tomorrow. :-)

  • http://www.rightklik.net rightklik

    I can only speak for myself. I have to say that I think I understood yesterday’s tea party posts here at RedState just fine. I agreed with some points, but strongly disagreed with others.

    Yesterday you presented Tea Party polling data from Rasmussen and concluded that “politicians can reject [the Tea Party activists] because it is just that ‘tea party movement.’” I looked at the same information and concluded that the Tea Party movement is a growing and popular phenomenon, full of enthusiastic political newcomers. 58% of Mainstream voters have a favorable opinion of the Tea Party movement. That’s good, right?

    http://www.rasmussenreports.com/public_content/politics/general_politics/april_2010/34_say_they_or_someone_close_to_them_part_of_tea_party_movement

    I don’t understand why you think the term “tea party” has become a liability rather than an asset. Becuase lefties think about retiring when they hear the words? Because some people are dismissive when they hear the term? Unfortunately, those people are going to be dismissive no matter what we call ourselves.

    We can call ourselves conservatives, GOPers, Americans, patriotic Americans, mainstream Americns…it really doesn’t matter. Whatever we call ourselves, if we unite under principles of small,frugal government constrainted by the Constitution, members of the political class who feel threatened will be there to ridicule and/or dismiss.

    Call them Tea Party Protests or Concerned American Rallies or whatever…I think Tea Party gatherings can continue to serve a useful purpose, even as we move on to bigger and better things.

    And I think most Tea Partiers ARE ready for bigger and better things. We’re looking forward to playing an important and proactive role in the primaries and in the general elections…even those of us who are in the uncool vocal minority ;)

    P.S. I like the term “Tea Party 2.0.” I think you’d have success recruiting Tea Partiers to a new, improved, updated paradigm with that kind of language.

  • reaganomics

    is not going to get limited government advocates into a position where we can make a difference.

    Given that a) Republican primaries are practically the only way to nominate limited government supporters (and if you disagree, try naming such a person who’s ever won as a Dem, a third party, or a write-in candidate in the general), b) many states have a “closed” primary in which only registered party members can vote and c) primaries are far from the only way that activists can influence the direction of the party:

    What other viable route is there for the Dem and independent tea party activist to work towards getting limited government into practice than by swallowing their pride and registering as a Republican for a while? And what excuse do they have for not doing this? The answers are both “none”.

  • snopercod

    For the most part we’ve quit carrying signs and are totally focused on getting some candidates elected and bad candidates tossed out. For old time’s sake we’re holding a protest on April 15th, but the focus is early voting for our slate of candidates. See: Asheville Tea PAC

  • acat

    Something like “Government can employ no more than X percentage of all workers”. Keep it simple. Yes, that’ll take a swipe at the DoD ox, but I don’t think a full-on goring is possible, even in wartime. There just aren’t that many suicidal Dems in Congress.

    “All government taxes and fees shall be set as a percentage of the average American’s annual income”. This would stop the Dems from passing tax laws with hard numbers that, as inflation eats away at the value of a dollar, eventually affect more and more people. The Alternative Minimum Tax being the current poster-child. This one needs more education of the average population, or a simpler explanation. “Stop congress from putting time bombs in the tax code”, maybe?

    Mew

  • Common_Cents

    Tea parties are the recruiting/uniting/PR engine to bring out more of the silent majority. They are a critical funnel of people/money/resources for the next steps of the process, activism.

    If your company quits prospecting/marketing/PR you will be dead no matter how good your product might be.

    Yes, its time to focus on channeling that energy to more activism on local/state/national level, BUT, NOT at the expense of the tea parties themselves.

  • http://www.rightklik.net rightklik

    But I don’t see any reason to think in terms of “either/or”

    We can have our rallies and engage in local politics and political campaigns.

  • jerry39

    I agree with the premise but not the conclusion. The fact that the Tea Party members and groups can do more (much more perhaps) does not lend itself to getting rid of the tea party name or whatever it is you are actually suggesting. I also think that no matter how many clarifications you put out, you are calling or seem to be calling for the tea party to be called something else, and/or do something else and/or be something else ? which is like saying I?d marry you if you were thinner and smarter and your name was Sue. A reasonable interpretation is that you don?t like the tea party movement as it exists with the name that it has.

    Your last attempt to clarify this post included the polling data that 24% of Americans identify themselves as Tea Partiers. Your point was that this is low. My point is that I cannot think of any political movement in America?s history other than the 2 major parties that could claim 24% of the American population. But it?s not just 24% – it?s 0 to 24% – or somewhere around 50,000,000 people in less than a years time!!! You can?t just throw out those numbers with the bath water, and to resist any national coordination of these numbers avoids the potential to take coordinated action (other than protest.)

    I would also disagree that ?the people who want to get involved have gotten involved.? My mother is 73 and she went to her first tea party meeting last week. We do not live in a society with perfect information, but as the tea party grows and the government grows, more and more are learning that they can?t trust MSM and their public education. If cap and trade passes you could see a jump to 30%. Pass a VAT and you might have 35%.

    There are many reasons why the tea party should continue on a national and a local level and why it should not change its name. To name a few:

    1. It is THE vehicle to get people involved.
    2. It is THE vehicle to coordinate mass action (other than simply protest). For example, imagine if every tea party in every city and every state and at the national level sent out a video clip of some NBC talking head calling us ?tea bagging racists? and a simple action step was requested. ?We are calling on all tea party members to boycott NBC for month in protest of this slander.? Imagine if they did it.
    3. It gets coverage and even though it gets negative coverage ? it also gets positive coverage.
    4. It must be there when newbie conservative activists are looking for a place to start.
    5. It can be a useful tool in destroying the MSM who are currently content to call 24% of the population racist homophobes.
    6. It has and will continue to put pressure on the party machine when pressure is needed from both the inside and the outside.
    7. Many people join the tea party because of disenfranchisement by the parties and they can then be pushed into learning how to get involved. Absent the movement they have nowhere to go.

    Would the left give up its stranglehold on academia merely because those darn college professors never move on and run for central committee? Should MTV stop ?rocking the vote? just because the 20 something?s don?t stay involved long enough? Should Keith Olberman go off the air because his audience can?t write coherently enough to get their letters to the editor published? NO ? because these groups serve a purpose for the left. They do not let the perfect become the enemy of the good.

    We finally have a super strong and super conservative grass roots movement that can be leveraged in a thousand different ways, and you want to change the name? I just don?t get it.

    Perhaps most importantly, BECAUSE the media attacks so hard the Republicans should be pushing every member to join the tea party instead of the tea partier?s pushing its members to become Republicans. Here is 24% of the American people being attacked and vilified by the democrats in congress and the media, and you suggest we back off to avoid to the stigma. I argue this may be the last best chance to end the media?s ability to fraudulently stigmatize anyone. There should be massive solidarity behind the tea partiers for enduring this generalized slander. The media should get the message that if you come after us, we will double our numbers. We all know the saying that ends up with – there being no one left when they come after me. That is what this is.

    There is a ton more to say about this, but the gist is that I totally agree the tea party can be leveraged to much greater heights, and that protesting is not the end all be all, but I totally disagree with wanting to end the tea parties or change their name or whatever merely because the tea party hasn?t effectively moved those 50 million people into campaign organizers and politicians.

  • jaydickb

    Support candidates who have views similar to yours. Be especially active in the primaries. Don’t be afraid to oppose candidates whose views you oppose just because they are incumbents or are favored by the press. Don’t expect perfection in any candidate. In the general election, sometimes the best course is to choose the lesser of two evils rather than stay home.

  • hickorystick

    I like the first one.

    The other, three tax rates. Lowest is 5%,, and covers bottom 1/3rd. Next third is 35% of the average of the bottom thirds income. Upper third is 35% of the average of the middle third. This constitutes the income tax. It incentivises progress at the bottom
    Corporate and marketplace tax comprises another third of the total.
    Last third, Foreign corporations will have to pay to play in the American domestic economy. bring back import/export duties and tariffs. Were sending our boys and girls to make the world safe, and providing the weaponry. It is valuable, and should be payed for. If they don’t like it, they can cut their best deal with Putin and play by his rules.

  • tdpwells

    There’s no reason they should be protected.

  • jaydickb

    I like the idea of state legislatures passing resolutions requesting a constitutional convention for the express purpose of proposing amendments to decrease the power of the national government and return it to the states. There would be many steps that could be proposed, such as eliminating the commerce and general welfare clauses, repealing the 16th amendment, and many, many others.

  • jenniferjmilleresq

    tea partiers should show up at their precinct meetings and get elected precinct committeemen to support non-existent conservative candidates? I am trying to figure out how “the less said the better” (per Kate) fits with Erick’s bullet points.

  • powerlifter

    Wow – A couple of gigs on CNN and you go all Kathleen Parker and Peggy Noonan on us. I guess there is just something so declasse about being identified as a tea party protester when you are sitting with the liberal intelligentsia. Do you think if I call myself by a different name, the left won’t continue their effort to demonize me and call me racist, homophophe, a Christian terrorist, etc? Then I expect you will be telling us all to disassociate ourselves from that particular name because you see too many participants with degrees from the University of Idaho who are expressing their passionate anger in a way that you view as not quite tasteful enough. Who do you think are attempting to do all the things you are recommending – in my case it is the local Tea Party organization. Who do you think are going to be all over what you said – the liberal media. Do you think when I called my Democrat Congresspeople as the “concerned American citizen” you recommend I call myself, they paid any attention to me. No they did not.

    Now you say the Republican Congresspeople are ridiculing us. And instead of sticking up for us, you decide we should stop identifying ourselves as Tea Party members. It is becoming more and more clear that our government, local and national, views its citizens with disdain. It is beyond disheartening to learn that our supposed defenders like Redstate think the same.

  • jenniferjmilleresq

    as far as the Republican politicians, but what about the conservative media? Is everyone just that fearful of a total shakeup in the status quo?

  • hickorystick

    I new I had a long lost cousin out there somewhere.

  • acat

    Call it a “Government do-over” or something similar – between two and four words, easily chantable, easy to put on signs, and with enough ambiguity that the politicians who run over to stand at the front of the parade can make compromises on it without breaking it.

    This could work.

    Mew

  • the_invisible_hand

    My worry is that Erick is getting a big taste of the establishment pie and will now try and protect them. I worked as a staffer in the House and I know a few of these GOP critters that really disdain the base. Mike Pence from Indiana is one of those guys. I don’t if he is one that Erick heard about, but I wouldn’t be shocked.

    The problem is that Erick says he wants to overthrow the paradigms, but bringing to light what he heard about Congressmen mocking us might lose him a source or two or it might cost a “good” Republican support from those of us he mocks.

    I know from experience that guys like Cantor and Boehner look down on us and think us useful idiots. Erick is right to want to wash away that paradigm,but we have to get much tougher on assaulting the sacred cows in our own party because our current leadership is the same type of folks that spent like drunken sailors and cost us in 06 and 08.

    We have to support the Rubios of the world and attack the Boehners.

  • acat

    It’s a little more complex than “Fair Tax” and “Flat Tax”, neither of which I love, but it’s still simple enough to put on a sign.

    It makes sense to me that everybody will have some skin in the game, and it stabilizes things – unlike the “everybody pays except that half…” state we have now.

    I would suggest naming the expected percentages in the literature, leaving the calculations behind the scenes.

    Mew

  • http://www.theprecinctproject.wordpress.com ColdWarrior

    I don’t know the answer to the question why those in the “conservative media” don’t know about the Precinct Strategy or won’t talk about it. I think some of them are clueless. Others MAY know what to say but won’t — they rationalize, “Hey, why should I put a target on my back and take a chance of losing my sweet, multi-million dollar contracts? It’s not my JOB to educate everyone and save the country — I might get sacked!) Following are some observations about a few of the players in what a friend of mine termed “The Conservative Greivance Industry.”

    Glenn Beck: Last night I read the current Forbes article about him. He said, “I’m not interested in politics.” He took in $34 M last year. He does not like to talk about the Republican Party, because I guess he’s more a “small L” libertarian. Frankly, I don’t think he has a clue about basic American civics. Nor does he care. His books are mostly fluff. But I am glad he’s educating Americans about Commies, progressives, etc.

    Limbaugh: He’s never been involved in grass roots politics. When “Susan in Glendale” (who I recruited as a PC after her call) implored Rush over and over, “What can we average American citizens do to stop Obamacare, the bailouts, etc.?”, Rush’s reply was, “You just did it. You called my program.” (Susan HAS talked about the PC strategy on BCastLive. I think she has a link to it on her website: www.susaninglendale.com ) Rush tells everyone the solution is “being the go-to person in your circle of friends and family on the issues.” Not one word about becoming a PC.

    Hannity: I’m listening to him right now. A caller is saying she’s having trouble getting in touch with the Delaware Republican Party. Hannity changes the subject to “if there are conservative candidates, support them.” Then cuts her off and cuts to commercial after telling her to “get involved in the Republican Party.” Does that mean sending a check? Who knows? He never says. And he NEVER says, “Go to your local GOP meeting and tell them you want to become a voting member of the Party — a precinct committeeman or whatever it happens to be called in your state.”) His latest book has ZERO information in it about how to become a precinct committeeman.

    Mark Levin: He uses his “angry guy” schtick to cut off anyone who gets through to him to talk about becoming a PC. Yesterday a lady got through and she said she was “running for precinct committeeman” and he acted like he didn’t know what that was — and maybe he didn’t. If he doesn’t, that speaks volumes. His book, “Liberty and Tyranny,” has only vageries about “getting involved in politics,” which could mean a hundred different things to a hundred different people.

    Laura Ingraham: A few months ago one of the VA candidates for the U.S. Senate was son her show. She asked what the next step was in the campaign. He explained he was going to have to get as many delegates as possible to vote for him at the nominating convention (because VA, like UT, allows the parties to select their Senate candidates through an election that takes place at the Party nominating convention where only delegates to that convention, elected by the precinct committeemen, may vote). Ingraham had no idea what he was talking about. Is she clueless about grass roots politics? Sure seems to be. Her book, “Power to the People” has ZERO info in it about how to become a precinct committeeman.

    As someone has told me, “Look, it’s not these people’s jobs to educate the public about their civic duties. It’s the people’s. Or yours.”

    So, I created my little blog. And I come here to Redstate and other conservative sites to try to recruit the “political activists” to actually get active locally. To become precinct committeemen and to recruit all their conservative friends to do the same. As I hope you will.

    The Constitution begins with “we the people.” We the people bear individual and collective responsibility for the demanding our elected servants, who rank below the sovereign, the citizenry, follow the Constitution. It’s not Beck’s job. Or the others. It’s our civic duty.

    And not enough of us are doing our duty. I’m sort of hung up this “duty” concept — my school motto is “Duty, Honor, Country” and it’s stamped on my class ring.

    Wish I had a better answer for you.

    Thank you.
    ColdWarrior
    Conservatives, UNITE! Become precinct committeemen and CHANGE the Party and the World! NOW!

  • danasdaddy

    Conservative in the primary, Republican in the general.

    We need to work hard to get true conservatives on the general election ballot. If we are all willing to give our time, talents and energy to do this, we will be successful more often than not.

    Even if we don’t succeed in getting the most conservative option to victory in the primary, we need to rally around whatever Republican is the nominee because that will strengthen the caucus to which the most conservative belong.

  • danasdaddy

    Sounds like the “mainstream conservative commentators” like Beck and Hannity only want to talk in the most general terms. This way they can avoid angering anyone on their gravy train.

    Maybe since none of them have done so, YOU should write a short volume with specific instructions how anyone can get involved at the local level and become a PC. The book could be researched with an outline of the rules for each state. Maybe some of us here could do the research for our own states, forward it to you for compilation and then it can be offered for download.

    Just an idea…

  • hickorystick

    http://www.redstate.com/danasdaddy/2010/04/13/an-education-fairness-doctrine/

  • Bill S

    if that’s what you got from those posts.

  • qixlqatl

    that has the same motto (and I don’t know of one) that would make you a graduate of The United States Military Academy at West Point.

    I salute you, sir.

  • eburke

    he employed “ridicule and demonization” of the Tea Party movement.

    My goodness, the number of people getting their panties in a wad over this is mind-boggling. Quit getting your feelings hurt over things that aren’t even being said and try using some contextual reading comprehension.

    What part of “protesting is fine but it’s not enough to effectuate the change we need” is beyond your ability to comprehend?

    Sheesh!!!

  • eburke

    *that* totally befeft of basic reading comprehension skills?

    It boggles the mind. This is the type of hyperbolic, visceral overreach that I expect from the loons on the left. I *thought* we were the calm, reasoned, logical ones.

    Sigh!

  • gailmarie

    I dont know what you do at your parties but we do all of the above, we get involved in Town Halls, Local City and County meetings, we are campaigning and vetting candidates studying the History and learning the laws reading the Bills teaching the Constitution getting involved and getting others involved,,, That is what a Tea Party Patriot does…. Is and will continue to do…
    Real American making a statement.. Tead = Taxed Enough already! Mad as Hell and not gonna take it anymore… Grandmother, Mom, wife, teaparty patriot!!! Gail M. Florida

  • gailmarie

    I dont know what you do at your parties but we do all of the above, we get involved in Town Halls, Local City and County meetings, we are campaigning and vetting candidates studying the History and learning the laws reading the Bills teaching the Constitution getting involved and getting others involved,,, That is what a Tea Party Patriot does?. Is and will continue to do?
    Real American making a statement.. Tead = Taxed Enough already! Mad as Hell and not gonna take it anymore? Grandmother, Mom, wife, teaparty patriot!!! Gail M. Florida

  • gailmarie

    I don’t know what you do at your parties, but we do all of the above, we get involved in Town Halls, Local City and County meetings, we are campaigning and vetting candidates, studying the History and learning the laws, reading the Bills teaching the Constitution getting involved and getting others involved,,, That is what a Tea Party Patriot does?. Is and will continue to do?
    Real American making a statement.. Tead = Taxed Enough already! Mad as Hell and not gonna take it anymore? Grandmother, Mom, wife, teaparty patriot!!! Gail M. Florida

  • Aaron Gardner

    You don’t need to post the same comment over and over on the same thread.

    Especially when that comment shows that you either didn’t read the whole post or didn’t understand it.

  • http://slcliberty.blogivists.com randy streu

    I’m starting to see this sort of thing as performance art. If it is, I totally want in.

    I just don’t know enough cliches to string together into as long a paragraph as Gail got.

  • georgeinla

    I heartily agree with the idea of Tea Party 2.0, but I disagree on two particular points:’

    1. The idea that everyone who is going to join the Tea Party movement has already done so. I don’t think that’s ever true for any kind of political movement. There should always be a process for bringing in new people, even as existing members deepen their level of involvement and sophistication.

    2. I think the Tea Party “brand” is worth keeping. It’s a strange phrase actually, because it’s not even literal. There is no “Tea Party”, it’s not about “tea”, it’s not a political party. The more accurate phrase is actually the T.E.A. “Partiers”, but it doesn’t really matter. People understand implicitly that it’s against excessive taxation and out of control government, and it’s for a return to the principles upon which this nation is founded. That is a powerful message to have conveyed within two everyday words and three syllables, and it’s a message that resonates with a clear majority of Americans.

    Otherwise, I think you’ve put up some great ideas.

  • Kate_Shanahan

    Judging by the quotes and the “Sheesh!!!”, I would say your panties are in a wad. I.m pretty calm about this ordeal. Plus, I’m working for and donating to people whose principles I share.

    The need for a clarifying post says it all. People misinterpreted some of Erick’s earlier commentary and we don’t need a Republican leader driving off friends, that’s all.

    Calm down. We are on the same side.

  • Aaron Gardner
  • texasgalt

    This is the first time a lot of them have ever been involved in anything “political”. So they are very idealistic and tend to have a charge ahead mentality. Without these people healthcare would have passed early last summer and the Dems would be running the table on the rest of their statist agenda.

  • eburke

    “I don?t think ridicule and demonization are particularly attractive methods for you to employ, so be sure to measure twice before you launch a missile.”

    Erick *has* explained himself *twice* now and people like you continue to, yes, get your panties in a wad over imagined ‘slights’ that he’s never said. I’m not sure how he could have been any clearer.

    If we’re on the same side…and from your comments, it doesn’t sound like we are, then reading comprehension *in context* would be really helpful.

  • tdpwells

    …Mike Pence??

    I don’t even know how to respond to that.

  • Kate_Shanahan

    I’m not misrepresenting Erick’s words. They have been the talk of the Tea Party. The headline of the earlier post offended a number of people. They then “misunderstood” the rest of the post.

    Shoot the messenger Aaron.

  • Kate_Shanahan

    You guys need to dial down the testosterone. Enough people “misunderstood” to form a quorum. I hope they have voted to put it behind them.

    People do need to become active in the political party of their choice, hopefully the Republican Party, to right the ship of state. This petty BS of attacking everyone who utters a criticism is self-defeating.

  • Aaron Gardner

    And saying that others misunderstood is no excuse.

  • wayneepalmer

    Eric, it is my hope and prayer that tomorrow, April 15th 2010, the real new day for Patriots will dawn upon us.

    I have a prayer. I pray that a confluence of events will occur in Madison Wisconsin that will begin the only real hope I see to save our country.

    For the last 3 elections (2004, 2006, and 2008) vote fraud made a significant and likely determinant edge for Democratic candidates in and from this state.

    The Democratic-dominated legislature is planning in the midst of the rally, to vote out a law that will set in stone principles of legal vote fraud that they believe will insure eternal Democratic domination of this state by ACORN/SEIU control of the election process thru motor voter, universal absentee ballots, and a virtual ban on poll watchers.

    One of our brave Conservative talk radio hosts swore on the air this morning that if this happens she is going to stop the rally and lead the protesters into storming the Capitol Building and hunting down the legislators that voted for it.

    It is my prayer that for this country, the 15th of April in Madison, Wisconsin we will see the beginning of the final battle to take back first Wisconsin, and then America from the liars, thieves, and traitors that have stolen our country and our and our children’s futures. It can’t happen at the ballot box any more – not here.

    God Bless John Brown and the Constitution.

  • GenEarly

    TAXES: Gov’t Employees DO NOT pay any taxes. The private sector pays for gov’t salaries, their TAXES, their pensions & their health care. That 50% do not pay any taxes is FAR from the TRUTH …Gov’t employees are not included in this figure. Based on this info, 80% DO NOT pay taxes!

  • http://www.rightklik.net rightklik

    From the recent NYT poll, only 18% of the Tea Party cohort has ever been to a Tea Party rally/meeting…

    http://documents.nytimes.com/new-york-timescbs-news-poll-national-survey-of-tea-party-supporters?ref=politics#document/p1

  • GenEarly

    TAXES: Gov’t Employees DO NOT pay any taxes. The private sector pays for gov’t salaries, their TAXES, their pensions & their health care. That 50% do not pay any taxes is FAR from the TRUTH …Gov’t employees are not included in this figure. Based on this info, 80% DO NOT pay taxes! Have you a clue what the private sector pays for gov’t employees at ALL levels? I am just letting you know that there is more to this than others are making know. People are not aware that gov’t employees do not pay any taxes: Feds, States, Counties, Education, etc. Sad, but True, The more this info is known, the more the Tea Party will grow and succeed.

  • eastbaylarry

    You have explained my position better than I could have.

    I know Erick is pro-TEA Party, but I do NOT agree to changing the name as he has suggested.
    An anology would be, what if the state decided to change the name of the DMV to, say ‘licences and registrations’? How many people would be able to find it when they needed it?

  • eastbaylarry

    You have explained my position better than I could have.

    I know Erick is pro-TEA Party, but I do NOT agree to changing the name as he has suggested.
    An anology would be, what if the state decided to change the name of the DMV to, say ‘licences and registrations’? How many people would be able to find it when they needed it?

  • http://aposematic.wordpress.com aposematic

    Although I agree with a lot of what you say, I also disagree with a lot of what you say.

    Getting more active is definitely a plus!

    Local is where it is at, and where the real change will occur.

    The Tea Parties are citizen activists.

    Whats in a name–everything!

    Why are the Tea Parties being attacked by MSM–because they are effective!

    Changing the name, moving on–stupid!

    There will always be those wishing for more Power by trying to take over; most Tea Partiers are smart enough to see through that. (Why do you think they became Tea Partiers in the first place.)

    To move on now is part of the offensive (to discredit the Tea Parties) against the Tea Parties by MSM and now you–sad, very sad!

  • davesinsanantonio

    never dies or withers away. Even if every Tea Party activist of today were to enter the political process as Erick recommends, what about the future? We need to develop, as part of that process, the recruitment of new generations. We need for our kids and their kids to develop into ACTIVE Americans, who will never let this country sink as low as it is today. And we need to teach them how to train their kids and grandkids. We need to develop the discernment that Erick advocates so that we weed out the charlatans and posers BEFORE they get into office, so that no one can get this close to wrecking our country again. The time for apathetic snoozing on the sidelines is over. We need to get into the game, not just to cheer or jeer on the sidelines, but actually play–at all levels, sandlot to minors to big leagues. We should become so active that the Left gives up and just sits on their sidelines and never again tries to destroy our society.

  • davesinsanantonio

    people to do what you are already doing???? You should be thanking him, and continue doing it. You should be grateful that he is helping you recruit others to help you do it. He is not attacking you for doing it, he is encouraging you.

  • http://aposematic.wordpress.com aposematic

    My comment exactly, but said much better!

  • paulrph1

    Do we need change just for the sake of change? I believe one has to be careful of change just for the sake of change. We have seen enough of change, already. That is the reason for the Tea Party. A change would indicate a means of discontent and that we are not accomplishing our goals. I believe the goals are being met and they are being successful, many old time politicians are coming to the fact that it is not business as usual and they are being exposed and now that is happening they are being replaced. We have seen nothing but change by the progressives and they no longer want or believe in the most sacred document we have–the Constitution. We should be weary of change and especially about being assimilated into any other groups. Most other groups seem to be controlled by THEM. This is not about becoming part of the system. I believe we are fed up with the system. We do not want business as usual. Throw the bums out.

  • davesinsanantonio

    Erick is not trying to control the movement, but to suggest ways to make it effective. The movement definitely needs to be “upgraded”, because just protesting the tearing down of America does not get it rebuilt. It has taken the Left over a century to get us this far, it will take a very long time to stop the bleeding and then begin a painful rehab. The rehab must be thorough, at all levels of government and society. We have to heal the citizens as well as the political structure. Think about it, those who have spent generations with their hands out must be helped to stand on their own two feet. That will not happen because we stand on street corners waving signs in their faces.
    The problem with “brand names” is complacency. People get used to something being a certain way and they expect it to stay that way forever. Don’t jump to conclusions, I am not advocating New Coke. But think of all the companies who went out of business because they did not react to changes in the market, who thought their product was so good no one could improve on it. In addition, the “enemy” has seen what we have so far, and will make concerted moves to discredit us, co-opt us, or just distract us. And we have already seen how sneaky and underhanded they are. We have to be able to keep them off balance if we are to take the power to hurt this country away from them. But even that is only a start. We have to “re-build” America as it once was, not let it stay as what the Left has twisted it into.
    Lastly, I would say that the Tea Party movement is spontaneous DISORDER arising from discontent. That is not a bad thing, but it will not get the job done. We must evolve from disorder to enough order to teach, campaign, win, govern, reform, and succeed. We must mature from the disorder of pick-up games to league play. Remember, we are playing for keeps here. It is just like the Founders, after the Revolution, they had to sit down and create a country that would actually work. If they had merely stopped after the Revolution, where would we be today? We cannot just stop at protesting, we have to be willing to do the work in the long hot summer of our Philadelphia.

  • rickdavismd

    Everyone is waking up ? and that?s great. People everywhere now realize that things are deteriorating rapidly. But the overarching question that so many are asking now is ?What can we actually do??

    Amongst the many suggestions; I have one powerful solution:

    Ballot Initiatives?

    In virtually every city and in 24 states, ?We the People? have the constitutionally protected right to circumvent the elected legislative process and make laws directly through the mechanism of Ballot Initiatives.

    We could rapidly organize such a process without any change needed to our current infrastructure. I suggest that we announce a mass Skype-in where people get the chance to suggest and discuss specific areas and issues where they would like to see laws enacted. Votes would be taken on a website and the top 5 are selected to become the focus of our collective attention.

    Local patriots would volunteer to form action committees to oversee the process on the local and state levels and we initiate the process of introducing our own legislation that becomes law with 50+% of the popular vote in the November election – and beyond.

    For example, we could pass laws restating our 10th amendment rights which would act to nullify any federal mandates for implementation of the healthcare reform law in our city/county/state.

    Similarly we could negate any Cap and Trade legislation that might come out of Washington.

    We could revoke the operating license for the Federal Reserve.

    We could pass amendments that would require public vetting of all candidates for public office which would include open examinations of original long-form birth certificates prior to placement on any ballot.

    We could demand the passage of the 28th Amendment forcing Congress to live by the laws they make.

    We could craft language that would institute term limits.

    We could restore Habeas Corpus and Posse Comitatus that were dismantled by the Patriot Act.

    We could call for an independent 911 inquiry to examine the newest evidence and attempt to answer lingering questions so that we can begin the process of restoring trust in our government.

    We could call for Impeachment proceedings against President Obama.

    I could go on forever, but I think you get the idea…

    Clearly, some of these suggestions would gain a great deal of traction within our movement and mainstream media attention would not be far behind. Other suggestions would be a fool?s game to pursue. But the idea is forced into reasonableness given that we would have to work within the existing framework established by most states that have imposed specific limitations on what we could petition for. They also have time limits to collect signatures, etc.

    But if people want to get involved, this is one very powerful surefire way to do it. A simple Internet signature drive with verification of residence info could go viral overnight, and we could take our country back in a very meaningful way very quickly and without much expense. Even in those jurisdictions where we could not have certain petitions placed on the ballot, just gathering the petitions in significantly large numbers would send an enormously powerful message to Washington. It would let them know that we are not kidding around any longer; that we are no longer content to sit around just watching them dispose of our nation and our Constitution, but we are now entering a new phase where we are fighting back ? directly. And coming for them.

    If it?s a show of political will they want, then it’s a show they can have.

    I for one will no longer stand by just screaming at the TV that “I’m mad as hell and I’m not going to take it anymore.” It?s time for action through the peaceful, legal, and non-violent exercise of our Constitutional Rights to govern ourselves.

    All of us know dedicated Patriots who are webmasters, lawyers and others with the time and ability to organize such things. We just need to bring them together in an open public forum where we can efficiently exchange the ideas in an ?Internet Town Meeting? format. Once the individuals are identified and we characterize our legislative targets, the language for the petitions can be put together, the petitions widely circulated and then presented to the appropriate Elections Board for placement on state and local Ballots all across the country.

    The high profile campaigns would draw national attention and donations could be focused to fight the major races.

    This may not be very glamorous, but the process has teeth! It is tactically sound and strategically viable. It will also allow people to get involved easily, without disruptive time or monetary commitments; which in our busy world of work, kids, marriages, families, friends and other responsibilities are an absolute necessity.

    Finally, having direct input into the elections with our Ballot Initiatives would force a change in the political dialogue among the Candidates themselves who would have no place to hide. They would have to state their positions on our Initiatives clearly. Those who refuse will be cannon fodder. They can only dance on the head of a pin for so long. We will call all of them out. We will make them accountable by statutes that we write, with simple straightforward language, not the overcomplicated 2700 page bills that they seem to enjoy passing to the confusion and disdain for everyone.

    We must think outside the box.

    We must improvise, adapt and overcome.

    Carpe diem my brothers and sisters in arms!

  • davesinsanantonio

    “criticizing” the movement, when all he is doing is suggesting ways to make it effective in getting America back to where it should have been all along.
    “Who takes offense when no offense is intended is a fool. Who takes offense when offense is intended is probably a fool.”
    Don;t let others determine your reactions. Don’t get all up yourself when someone says something innocent that you choose to misinterpret. Don’t make something personal that had nothing to do with you in the first place. Why spend your time and effort attacking Erick when Obama, etal. are the real targets.

  • paulrph1

    We have seen the results of what has happened with the media over the years and how people have been manipulated by such. We have seen how the John Birch Society was demonized and dismissed as a radical. I believe their goals was to keep America, America and keep us involved in and believing in the Constitution. Demonize, slant with onslaughts or anything to cripple the enemy. There is more than one way to defeat the enemy and the most insidious way by far is from within. We now see Obama running to the finish line to transform the evil one, America. He does not believe or like the Constitution. He will not salute the flag, give honor to the fallen or anything noble that has to do with American. How can he lead us? He can transform us if we will allow it. I am grateful for the Tea Party and love to hear what good they are doing. We are at a crossroads and we will have to decide if we want to follow the leader (Obumma) or do what is right and follow the Constitution.

  • http://impudent.blognation.us/blog kyle8

    but then they had to mix in nuttiness and anti-semitism, so no, they were not really right.

    Besides it takes no conspiracy to see through Obama, he is what he is, a very radical left winger, of course he hates the USA,

    Now in his own mind he probably thinks he loves the country. What he loves though is a left wing ideal of what he wants the country to be.

    But the actual people, laws, culture, history, political, and economic system, he hates.

  • davesinsanantonio

    tariffs, because they are forbidden by the Constitution (Article 1, Section 9).
    We do not sell weaponry to “make the world safe”, we sell it to make money.
    Corporate taxes are a misnomer to fool the unlearned. “Corporations pay no taxes” is still true, because they just pass those “costs” on to their customers. So, taxing foreign corporations will just cause them to take their jobs elsewhere.
    We need to set up our tax structure and business regulations so that it allows individuals to make enough money so there is something to tax, Also, every individual should actually pay something so that they have a stake in the game, but not be in danger of losing everything, or have no real incentive to make more. Fair tax, anyone?

  • eburke

    Ummm….Kate, testosterone didn’t pen the sentence:

    ?I don?t think ridicule and demonization are particularly attractive methods for you to employ, so be sure to measure twice before you launch a missile.?

    Those were penned by estrogen (as long as you decided to throw gender into the game). I asked for links to words that Erick actually wrote that might fit that description – you have provided none.

    Erick penned words such as: “You want to keep protesting, that?s fine by me. I support it” in all *three* posts. The meaning of those words has apparently escaped you and a lot of other people who have chosen to react viscerally and emotionally to words taken out of contextual reality. I said before and I will say again, those are traits indemic to liberal ‘thinking’ patterns not conservative ones.

    And just because a ‘quorum’ of individuals don’t possess minimum contextual reading comprehension skills doesn’t de facto make your criticism valid. That’s another ‘perspective’ of the left – I’m offended…so are other people I know…so,ergo, obviously *you* must be wrong.

    And finally, rebutting criticism that is not grounded in facts and supported by rational thought isn’t BS, it’s what conservatives do because rational, contextual thought is what we’re supposed to be all about.

  • davesinsanantonio

    love anything but themselves. Besides, if he loved America he would not be trying to destroy it.

  • nunleigh

    you had not said “goodbye” in your original article. That sounded so final, and made me cringe. I keep having these cringing moments with visions of Arnold and Nancy and Harry and Obama and the MSM and all the others who have dismissed patriotic America, smiling and saying, “We knew they would fade away!” Like it or not, Erick, you have become a light and hope for many folks like me. I read and I watch and I listen and I do my small part. I am ashamed to say at the age of 58, I have finally started paying attention to the political scene. Who will listen when the crowds waving the flags go away? How the progressives will rejoice when nobody comes to our party, and they control the mainstream message. I go to the parties when I can with flag in hand, and I pay what I can to candidates I believe in, not just in Texas. I remember feeling lost and alone when Glenn Beck said to ME, “You are not alone.” We cannot all be great activists, Erick. You have been the Viking warrior who comes to my home everyday to give me hope. There are thousands who are not out with the crowds, for whatever reason. But, we are watching and we need hope. Those crowds give me hope. What if they gave a party, and nobody came? That is when we can all say “goodbye” to America.

  • nunleigh

    you had not said “goodbye” in your original article. That sounded so final, and made me cringe. I keep having these cringing moments with visions of Arnold and Nancy and Harry and Obama and the MSM and all the others who have dismissed patriotic America, smiling and saying, “We knew they would fade away!” Like it or not, Erick, you have become a light and hope for many folks like me. I read and I watch and I listen and I do my small part. I am ashamed to say at the age of 58, I have finally started paying attention to the political scene. Who will listen when the crowds waving the flags go away? How the progressives will rejoice when nobody comes to our party, and they control the mainstream message. I go to the parties when I can with flag in hand, and I pay what I can to candidates I believe in, not just in Texas. I remember feeling lost and alone when Glenn Beck said to ME, “You are not alone.” We cannot all be great activists, Erick. You have been the Viking warrior who comes to my home everyday to give me hope. There are thousands who are not out with the crowds, for whatever reason. But, we are watching and we need hope. Those crowds give me hope. What if they gave a party, and nobody came? That is when we can all say “goodbye” to America.

  • rivahmitch

    First of all, I view Politico as a voice from the left and using an article from their site in no way validates anything it says.

    Second, IMHO, identifying ones self as a Tea Party member does make a philosophical statement than most folks I know can readily identify, whereas identifying ones self as a Republicrat means nothing philosophically. (I oppose local Dempublicans and Republicrats almost equally.)

    Third, every TP member is a TP “leader” in that we get to define what we supporty within an overall broad set of principles.

    Fourth, there was a time when I was generally supportive of the organizations you name and, in all honesty, I remain generally so. However, I reserve the right to withdraw support from an organization like “Freedom Works” when it supports amnecty for invading immigrants.

    Nuff said, for the moment.

  • jerry39
  • usnret88

    Good discussion. I need to use crutches/helps with complex subjects…like ‘tea party’ … I think of the tea party as simply a public service group/organization, with 1. a political demonstration component, 2. an infopmation sharing component, and 3. a political action motivation component. The overall goal I think of as to get the citizenry involved to make gov’t responsive to the constitution and the people. This helps me keep it in context.

  • Kate_Shanahan

    If you consider what I said an “attack” on Erick, you had better Kevlar up for the real stuff coming your way.

    I like and respect Erick. If a gentle nudge is perceived as an attack, there is too much testosterone in the room.

    It is always smart to measure twice and cut once where printed words are concerned. It is plain from the responses to my comment that you guys don’t agree.

    Enough said.

  • jbjones

    There is a point when you have to stop yelling about what is wrong and start the process of taking responsibility of fixing the problem. You are totally right and the next big decision is whether the Americans in the current Tea Party box can step off the soap box and into the arena of political bloodletting.

  • jimhi

    First, let me say this is one of the best posts I?ve seen ? it moves beyond rhetoric and into specific actions in which we can all participate and support. WELL DONE!!

    What I would really like to do is point out a much more subtle point that gets overlooked all too often ? and that is accepting the premise of the question as legitimate. Re-read Erick?s last bullet point:

    ?Above all else: remember that when the left attacks the tea party activists, they are attacking the foundation of America. Stop responding as an aggrieved tea party activist and start asking what part of the American way of life they have a problem with.?

    The Left, main stream media, and many polls phrase the debate in such a way that we react defensively. Instead of clarifying the issue and setting the record straight we fall into the trap of answering or defending a position as if the statement were true. Take for example the NYT / CBS poll sited in the comments by rightklik. One of the questions was, ?Which is more important ? the deficit or tax cuts?? As if these are mutually exclusive of each other and you have to choose one over the other. Nonsense.

    The issue where this seems to be most prevalent is how we ?got in this mess? to begin with. Many folks hold the previous administration to blame for the recession and economic issues we have been and are facing. How many times have you heard the question phrased, ? the situation Obama inherited?? Personally, I don?t accept the premise of the question. While I don?t agree with everything President Bush did he most certainly did not encourage Fannie Mae and Freddie Mac to loan money to people for houses they could not afford. Remember the Congressional hearings where Barney Frank and Maxine Waters hailed Fannie and Freddie as successful and not in need of further oversight? Remember how everyone that asked for a closer look was shouted down and attacked? ( http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_MGT_cSi7Rs ) And, yes, I realize I?ve simplified the chain of events from Fannie and Freddie?s activities to our current situation but I contend that?s where it all started.

    We, me included, fall into the trap of accepting the premise of the question as true ? don?t fall into the trap!

    Again, kudos to Erick for his suggestions of a road map to help us take back our country.

  • Aaron Gardner

    You keep saying there is too much testosterone in the room. Is it really your contention that because men are objecting to your baseless assertions that you bear no responsibility for making those assertions?

    Seriously, debate or don’t, but don’t just punt and play a sexist card like you have done twice now.

  • janis

    leads me to believe that they don’t do the educating about the Precinct Committeeman Project because of a couple of things:

    The first is that doing the hard work of getting yourself educated and then starting at the bottom of the organization just doesn’t sound “sexy” enough for them to dwell on.

    And the second issue is that, if we educate ourselves and then take over the Republican Party and shape it into our image, we won’t really need them much anymore, will we? Ziiiippppp– there go their millions of bucks each year.

    So they, along with leaders in the R party, have their own territory to protect. You, Cold Warrior, are the one they should fear the most. While they empower themselves. you keep urging each one of us to empower OURSELVES. And I thank you.

  • dave624

    I understand where Erick is going with his statements on this and have a great deal of respect for his efforts and opinions, but the ‘Tea Party’ movement is currently the most recognized identity to combat the libereral agenda in this country. Any suggestions to refocus away from what is currently having an impact and bringing in new members is to throw away what success we have had and lose momentum. We need to become involved in many ways and protests are just one of them. I think the Teaparty can serve as the impetus for ‘more involvement’ rather than a decreased focus approach.

    Currently the MSM controls the minds of the majority of our society young and old. I know many who will vote Democrat because they only listen to the MSM and do not accept that that party has shifted over the last decades to a libereral socialist ideology. How do we overcome the MSM ‘brainwashing’ that continues the chain of Democrat votes even though the party no longer represents their values.

    One of our greatest enemys to thwart this take over of our country is the MSM. We need to put more effort into making the general public aware of their left leanings and find a way to inject balanced reporting ‘based on fact’ in a medium that will reach the masses. Otherwise we are preaching to the choir.

  • escmac

    My daughter and I were in a heated discussion about this. We are Conservatives. We are registered Republicans and we are attending a Tea Party.

    I told her when we have company over during the holidays, we invite them to a Christmas Party. We are not members of the Christmas Party we are attending an event.

    The Left is trying to separate us into groups and they are experts at doing just that. If we are anything as a group, we are the gathering of the Reagan Clan. The Clan that voted Jimmy Carter out in November of 1980 with a 49 to 1 state Victory. We are Conservatives and RINOS, Independents and Democrats, but most of all we are Americans, who believe in the words of Dennis Prager: “The Bigger The Government, The Smaller The Citizen.”

    AND WE ARE SICK OF BEING SMALL!!! AND WE BECOME BIGGER WHEN WE GATHER AT THESE EVENTS CALLED TEA PARTIES.

  • barbs003

    Government Mulligan

    good beat to it.

  • acat

    I like it, it does roll off the tongue nicely, but .. are there enough golfers who will get it, as opposed to antagonistic journos who will accuse whoever’s chanting it of being anti-Irish?

    Mew

  • acat

    First, I’d love a cite that doesn’t involve an “I worked for.. ” story showing that Pence hates “the base”, as well as a definition of what “the base” is. Pence is widely respected in “conservative base” circles, this would be very disheartening news… for which I’d like some sort of proof. The guy’s on the radio reaching out to “the base”, for crying out loud – for him to dislike “the base” is .. very odd.

    Also we don’t want to *attack* the Boehners of Congress. We want to *educate* them. If the education takes hold and they begin running to the right, great. If it does not, but they realize they can’t shut us down, that works too. If it’s necessary to expose them as Dem-wannabees (ala Scozzfava) then that works too – and at that point, attacks are fine.

    We have to work together with these RINOs in the general elections. Period. (otherwise, we’re precisely what the RINOs call us – unreliable allies …)

    Mew

  • josephmn

    the tea party movement was a natural growth of fundamental desires to change the political structure of our nation. With all deference to you and all you have done for the cause of conservatism, you, like others who wish to dictictate the direction of the teaparty should take care of your business. You want everybody to line up republican, I’m very happy at the heat the republicans have taken because of the teaparty, it has forced our party to the right, and thats good. I’m thinkin the teaparty movement should keep on path, and ignore or marganilize the power who wish to speak for us all or “own the movement”. No thank you, Eric, you get the Republicans in line, then, the teaparty movement will have no reason to exist, till then, leave this groundswell of activity to follow its course.

  • jbben

    Grandma, You are basically saying that you agree with what Erik is suggesting. What’s your problem with that? I guess your pride was wounded. I wish you would get that chip off your shoulder and stop shooting those who are on your side. We don’t need more trouble makers.

  • jbben

    Grandma, You are basically saying that you agree with what Erik is suggesting. What’s your problem with that? I guess your pride was wounded. I wish you would get that chip off your shoulder and stop shooting those who are on your side. We don’t need more trouble makers.

  • neolibertarian

    I think that the most inovative effective political grass roots identity to emerge in decades does not need either the advice (or council from the inner circle of CNN) as to “version.” You are either with us or detrimental to us and your every word is multipled through the MSM as derogatory in nature. Eric 2.0 is same same Vista, Beucop dinky dow.

  • jbben

    I agree with you 100%. When we start proposing well-thought-out, feasible solutions, they will really fear…and we will have an even greater audience.

  • Aaron Gardner
  • http://www.hakubi.us/ Neil Stevens

    P.S. Learn to write the English language sometime.

  • jbben

    If I understand Erik correctly, I think he is proposing a name change so that the people WITHIN will begin to think bigger ideas with a much larger scope. It has nothing to do with what the Media will think. Who cares anyway? By keeping the old name and doing the same old thing, we limit ourselves, and don’t plan ahead, strategize, and stop to consider the next challenge. You are a good example of just that–and you’ll be left behind. Who the heck is Judd Gregg?

  • jbben

    You are the type of person that gives Tea Parties a bad name. Get counseling.

  • Lycurgus

    new face to conservatism. Regardless of group classification (race, age, sex, you-name-it), conservatives have always been reluctant to “organize” and demonstrate. Most people don’t have time, and are concerned about life’s necessities, but now, with the degree of federal over-reach we see today, the Democrats have awakened a sleeping giant, and they’ll pay through the nose for it in November!!!

  • jbben

    The Kates in this world are quick to take offense,They misrepresent ideas different than their own. She has a giant chip on her shoulder. We need to be using our energy to fight the Left, not quibble among ourselves. I’m going to ignore her and hope she’ll go away. But I’m not holding my breath.

  • http://nationalchat.wordpress.com southeasttexas

    I stand by you with your comments about the teap party movement and what it stands for. and I further agree that those within the organization, and those who stand by its principles regardless whether formal members or not, should simply be referred to as “Americans”.

    My trust in the general news media is about as intense as it is toward darned near anyone in politics. I don’t trust it. Far too many times in the past, the news media and members of government have taken a “holier than thou” approach to anyone who has the apparent audacity to speak out against government. It’s as if we have been infected with some sort of a disease.

    Well, we haven’t. And I (for one) really don’t appreciate being referred to, or called names like communist, nazi, anti-American, and an assortment of other names I refuse to indicate in public.

    I am an American. I am a veteran of military service and am darned proud of it. I am also a taxpayer and all I have to offer this great nation is but one vote. I’m extremely careful of who I use my vote on, and think much of what we have allegedly representing us in Congress should be replaced.

    Now, tell me I’m bad!

  • soljerblue

    Good post. Excellent points. Thoughtful. I do believe you’ve nailed it. For the record — the central Alabama group to which I belong has already begun to move into local political activism. We’ve forced votes in the state legislature on opt-out bills, and begun morphing into — for most of us the party of choice, the GOP — local, county and state activism. The “movement” — if it remains a movement — must,. obviously “move” on to the next step. We need to be a moving target. But — I’d like to see some semblance of the TP groups remain, to offer newbies and novices such as we were a year ago a means to get their feet wet, and find some entry into the political activism so urgently needed.

  • http://www.theprecinctproject.wordpress.com ColdWarrior

    experience in moving the grass roots activists into the Alabama GOP and how you organized to force votes in the state legislature into a Diary for the benefit of others here at Redstate in other locales seeking to do the same thing where they are. Success breeds success, and new Party activists need as many templates as possible to guide them. Sounds like you could create a great one!

    Thank you.
    ColdWarrior
    Conservatives, UNITE! Become Republican precinct committeemen and CHANGE the Party and the World! As soljerblue is doing!

  • the_invisible_hand

    The sad thing is how right the base grassroots activists are on our leadership. Mike Pence and others at the top in GOP circles are part of the problem which is why we need to empower the base and the Tea Party Movement to take over the party.

    Why do you think Republicans get elected and then ignore their base and spend like drunken sailors? Because they use us and lose us as fast as possible.

    Mike Pence, sadly, is a guy that praises us and uses us in public, but buries us to his beltway buddies. I’ve heard it.

  • Aaron Gardner

    Care to offer any proof what so ever?

  • the_invisible_hand

    I’m not comfortable providing proof because it would require personal information about myself to get it done. I apologize for that.

    However, as proof of the overall elitism of our GOP establishment you can look no further than Erick’s post here. He explicitly stated he knows of House congressmen, including some embraced by the Tea Party movement, that mock and ridicule us behind our backs.

    I don’t doubt Erick’s sincerity in reporting that. In part because I’ve witnessed it too. Now Erick may not have heard Pence, but he has attested to the existence of these worms. I’m just telling you that I’ve heard Mike Pence bash the base in some pretty shameful ways which made me lose respect for him.

    But I certainly respect the skepticism. I’d just say heed the warning of Erick here. There are many wolves in sheep’s clothing that are trying to co-opt the legit Tea Party movement for their own gain. You don’t have to believe me on Mike Pence, but offer the establishment the same skepticism you offer me. Make them prove it.

  • Aaron Gardner

    Sorry but the burden of proof is on you.

    Also, trying to use Erick’s broader statement as evidence supporting your specific statement isn’t going to fly.

    You are correct that there are many wolves in sheep’s clothing though … I highly doubt that Pence is one of them. In fact, it would be less of a stretch to believe that you are trying to undermine a real conservative. Not that I a saying you are.

    But, it seems awfully odd that someone so worried about exposing who they are would go off and make an accusation that he knew would be challenged publicly.

    But I will ask Erick and see what he thinks.

  • Common_Cents

    It is very reasonable conclusion that many have noted a bit of condescention and dismissal of tea party label in the earlier diaries.

    the first diary wanted to do away with tea party label completely and institute “Concerned American”

    If that wasn’t the case, why did Erick have to do another diary saying “I am Right”?

    I asked, right about what?

    it was a total straw man that tea parties are nothing but people “walking around angry” and nobody is doing anything. Nobody who ever attended a tea party would argue against doing additional things and becoming even more active.

  • BA Cyclone

    Great comments, thank you.

  • BA Cyclone

    Great comments, thank you.

  • eburke

    I don’t think in terms of male/female but as long as she tossed it out there…..

    What left me shaking my head was listening to her accuse ‘us’ of doing the exactly what she did which is what started the whole kerfluffle.

    I’m all good w/criticism (I’ve been well trained by Mrs. Burke :-) but please at least base it in fact and context and don’t accuse others of doing what you initiated.

    Or…as you so aptly put it, we’ve got more important things to do with our time.

  • jenniferjmilleresq

    I’m getting the word out about your website (my Facebook wall, etc.). Erick and you are so right about actually engaging in the real battle. The average concerned citizen (Tea Party or not) has no idea how to 1) find out when and where the Precint election meeting will be; 2) how to win that election; and 3) how to either run for or vote in more conservative Party leadership once they are elected. I have never run for anything before but I’m now on the county Republican Party e-mail list and am looking for an announcment of the meetings. I plan to show up and run against the long time incumbents in my unusually engaged precinct (whom I know well because I’ve lived here my whole life….way longer than they have). It will be uncomfortable to say the least since everyone knows everyone here. Anyway…that’s where the party ends and the fight starts…especially in states like Utah where the precinct committemen actually vote on which primary candidates get to run.

  • http://www.erickerickson.org Erick Erickson

    Mike Pence is one of us. He supports us. Just because you hear it does not make it true.

  • http://www.erickerickson.org Erick Erickson

    Were all Senators I was referring to.

  • Aaron Gardner

    Also, that doesn’t change the fact that gailmarie was spamming.

  • Lycurgus

    Some precincts have a surplus of folks willing and able, and some don’t. My precinct here in the east valley for instance always has competition for PC slots!

  • Aaron Gardner

    that Erick was talking to the ones who have yet to be willing to take that leap.

    Those who take offense at what Erick said are needlessly personalizing advice as condemnation.

    People would do well to understand that they aren’t always the only people who are being addressed in any given post.

    In short, if it doesn’t apply to you, then don’t take offense.

    Simple really.

  • tdpwells

    Because most of those that I actually respect are in the House. There’s really only 2, maybe 3 Senators that I would be gutted over if it were them.

  • josephmn

    real good reasons to give full reign to the Tea Party. The republicans will no longer feel free to foist a scosafava or christ on the right ONLY because of the Tea Party. Scott Brown won massachuttes not because of republicans but because of nationwide tea party support, Scott Brown knows it, but you minimize the overriding tea party factor. Without the tea party the republicans would be heading off to carve up some more pork of their own. But because of the Tea Partys heat on the republicans they are getting a little shy of the pork barrel. They still are hot on the earmarks but with continued TeaParty vigilance the Republicans will stop that stuff or be gone.

  • SteveLA

    Dede was the product of local idiots doing something stupid in NY 23. Namely, not holding a primary and selecting someone to run for office who was a terrible candidate.

    Let’s see what happens in NY 23 and Doug Hoffman running in a election after having won the Republican primary….or not.

  • mom2oneson

    They pay their own personal income tax even if taxes are what funds their job in the first place right?