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On Charlie Crist and the FBI: See, I Told You So

Early this morning I made the case that the FBI and IRS investigation in Florida had more to do with Charlie Crist than Marco Rubio despite breathless headlines to the contrary.

I’ve gotten lots of emails that I was just shilling for Marco and, said one, need to take the news “like a man.”

Well, I told you so.

Turns out the investigation has been going on for a while and the former RNC Finance Chairman, interviewed by the FBI, said they never asked about Rubio. The Feds did, however, want to know all about Crist running his campaign out of the Florida Republican Party’s offices.

What goes around comes around, Charlie.

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  • Death_of_the_Donkey

    I am sorry, but I would go nuts if a Dem did this and I am equally upset that Rubio appears to at best acted unethically (if not criminally) here. I have gotten so sick of this ?our guys can be sleezeballs so long as they vote (sometimes) the way I want? mentality that has seemed to pervade our party. While I couldn?t vote for Christ (because I don?t agree with his positions), I could neither vote for Rubio for crap like this (it seriously calls into question his ethics). Thankfully, I live in Ohio so I have a much easier choice to make.

    Just because Christ is more corrupt too doesn’t make Rubio not guilty here. We really need to start demanding more of who we elect and not just vote because they say (or sometimes do) a few things we like.

  • Thomas_Hauber

    What Marco did is no different than any business person that goes on a trip, charges something personal on their card and reimburses the company.

    If he paid it back without question and no delay, why the fuss?

  • http://www.voterubio2010.com nelsa

    What makes me insane is that the “Media” headlines list Rubio as the focus of the probe and do not separate a preliminary IRS ingestigation from an all out FBI investigation which we now know includes Charlie Crist and Jim Greer. NOT Marco Rubio!

    The Rubio camp has already stated the there is no need for Rubio to amend his taxes.

  • Scope

    that Rubio is guilty of something, you don’t say what, before he has even been investigated or charged with anything? Rubio’s people have said that he and they were never contacted about any investigation.

    This will probably turn out to be Crist giving false statements about the investigation, and trying to pull Rubio down with him. Crist has been known to be that unethical.

    By the way Christ isn’t corrupt, but, Crist is.

  • cabanon

    for using Republican party credit cards for personal expenses. As I understand it its a preliminary investigation, that hopefully will get resolved but if not it would turn into a criminal investigation and thats serious trouble. The FBI and IRS investigations might be separate but once they start digging and trying to build a case anything is possible.

  • acat

    I don’t see where this makes Rubio a “sleazeball”. He used a card and reimbursed the card holder. At worst, that means he’s guilty of not having his personal card on hand, or of grabbing the wrong one out of his wallet.

    Crist, on the other hand, has run his campaign in a way that appears improper – a primary campaign co-located with the state GOP is asking for charges of favoritism. Crist has threatened to bolt the party. Crist has violated Reagan’s 11th commandment by trying to portray Rubio as “dirty”.

    Before and during the *primary*, I am in 100% agreement with you – we need to demand rockstar candidates who are pure as the driven snow. It’s a little late in the game, though, to be complaining that, surprise surprise, both Rubio and Crist are human beings, who have made mistakes.

    Your reaction, or rather, your *over*reaction of saying you can’t vote for either candidate in the primary, has the effect of lowering your influence. Clearly, neither of the two candidates can win your vote, being human, so you just take your ball and go home.

    The time to have this kind of a reaction was when other potential candidates were thinking of getting into the race – talking up one of them who meets your high standards. Now, when the time to register is long gone, is the time to pick the lesser of the available evils.

    Mew

  • acat

    Seriously. Got cite for an “ongoing IRS investigation” that’s likely to put more tar on Rubio than Crist?

    Mew

  • Death_of_the_Donkey

    You cannot just use a non-profit’s card and reimburse it for personal expenses, it isn’t allowed. And to make the case that he didn’t have his personal card on him is a joke. And I didn’t take my ball and go home, I live in Ohio.

    “Rubio billed the party for more than $100,000 during the two years he served as House speaker, according to credit card statements obtained by the St. Petersburg Times and Miami Herald. The charges included repairs to the family minivan, grocery bills, plane tickets for his wife and purchases from retailers ranging from a wine store near his home to Apple’s online store. ”

    From: http://www.tampabay.com/news/politics/national/us-attorney-irs-and-fbi-investigating-florida-gop-credit-card-use/1088979

  • acat

    This is standard practice for business executives. Charge it all and let the accountant sort it out after the fact. This is true regardless of the tax status (not-for-profit, for-profit) of the business. That’s the point of issuing American Express cards – the cardholder doesn’t have to “phone home for approval” for every purchase, and in turn agrees to reimburse at the end of the period for any personal usage.

    If the Florida GOP issued the cards, there’s a presumption that they had some standards and practices in place around this. There’s *also* a presumption that the press is looking at Rubio’s card usage a little more closely than, say Charlie Crist or Jim Greer’s usage.

    Mew

  • acat

    Most people don’t know how expense accounts work, or how card pay-and-reimburse works, etc. Most folk don’t work in sales or have CEO-CIO-COO jobs where this kind of card is commonly used. This means they can be led to believe that it’s an abuse when it’s actually a standard practice.

    Remember, the media want no part of a Senator Rubio, and will do whatever they can to weaken him for the Dem to finish him off in the general.

    Mew

  • cabanon

    http://www.tampabay.com/news/politics/national/us-attorney-irs-and-fbi-investigating-florida-gop-credit-card-use/1088979

    “At this stage of the IRS investigation, agents are looking at federal tax records, state financial disclosure forms and other documents to see whether Rubio, Greer and Johnson may have personally benefited from using their GOP American Express cards without reporting or paying taxes on additional income.”

  • acat

    See, this is not the cite that I asked you for.

    This specifically says that the IRS is looking at Rubio, Greer, and Johnson. One would imagine Crist could also be looked at.

    All this means is if Rubio followed the rules, there’s nothing here, and Rubio’s campaign is saying no need to adjust taxes, meaning Rubio followed the rules.

    While the Dems, their media allies, and their patsy Crist will use this in the general, as stories go it’s got the potential to throw much more tar on Crist.

    And as for the cheap shot in your title, thanks for the glimpse at your character.

    Mew

  • cabanon

    The article says

    “The IRS opened the so-called “primary” investigation into Rubio, the leading Republican candidate for Florida’s open U.S. Senate seat, and the two former state GOP officials to see if there’s enough evidence to support a full-fledged criminal inquiry, according to a source familiar with the IRS examination.”

    The IRS is looking to see if they can built a criminal investigation, thats serious.

  • cabanon
  • daveinboca

    My next-door neighbor is a four-term Republican state rep in the FL legislature and his wife is a good friend of Crist, or was until CC turned into a self-serving solipsistic auto-grifter when he got the governor’s chair.

    Ask Giuliani & Romney who were assured by good-time Charlie that they had his 1000% support in 2008 in the FL primary before he switcherooed at the last minute to John McCain, who had mumbled or whispered something about Vice-Prez within Crist’s earshot.

    He might have some good FBI contacts from his AG days, when he actually was an honest—kind of—-pol, but I’m betting if he stirs up a lot of mud, he’ll be the muddiest of all at the end of the day.

  • acat

    That’s not at all the same thing as opening a criminal investigation.

    The “crime”, in this case, would be something like whether Rubio failed to reimburse the state party; that would mean Rubio had to pay taxes on the money since it could be seen as “income”. There’s also the potential that, if Rubio delayed reimbursing too long, there’d be charges filed.

    All that’s going on now is the IRS is performing something akin to an audit of both the Rubios’ numbers, and the state GOP numbers.

    What’s interesting to me is that the news media is spinning it as though Rubio is a crook, without mentioning that Crist and Greer and most Republican officeholders in Florida also have these cards and, if the IRS looks at the party, they’ll likely catch some other fish.

    I’ll wait to see if any indictments are handed down.

    Mew

  • cabanon

    I said it could lead to one.

    At issue isn’t who has the cards but what they purchased with them. Not for Profit organizations have different guidelines than for profit companies when it comes to what can be bought and reimbursement. If Rubio followed the rules then it should be fine, if not then its trouble. My concern is that this is turning much bigger and they’ll cast wide nets, thats what investigators do.

  • Scope

    I’ve looked back at your posting history, and I have some doubts.

  • Wing Zero

    I can’t tell you how many Air Force NCO’s warned me about using my Government Travel Card. They told me horror stories about spouses inadvertently using the credit card and getting the service member is tons of trouble. Thank God my wife has a brain in her head. The first thing I told her when we got married was to NEVER use this card.

    As long as he paid back the money, who cares.

  • Wing Zero

    Your history is a bit lite. You’ve been here how long, and only have three posts?

  • cabanon

    but lately I haven’t been overly enamored with the establishment. I’d like to see Rubio get elected, my concern about this is that Crist goes Independent, not that he’ll split votes and the Dem will win but that he’ll switch and Crist would actually win!

    I can support Rubio politically and still see that using the party’s credit card for personal purchases is wrong. If my employer gives me a company credit card for company purchases and I buy airline tickets for my wife, thats wrong, its stealing. Now maybe there are good reasons for some of these purchases and we don’t have all the info but it doesn’t look that good.

    Not sure if the Tea Party were to be a third party if that would be a good thing or a bad one but I’d consider switching if it did.

  • acat

    It is perfectly legitimate to use a corporate card for personal expenses provided the money to pay the bill is returned to the corporation before they pay the bill. Sorta like writing the mortgage check a day or two before you deposit your paycheck.

    The American political system is not structured to accept more than two parties. The minute an ideologically driven “third party” gets traction, one of the two national parties will adopt the ideology. It’s happened over, and over, and over in our history.

    If the Tea Partiers try to form a third party, get used to a long string of Dems in power. This is not a criticism of the ideas or the will of the Tea Partiers – it’s just the reality on the ground.

    Mew

  • freethinkerfl

    Whether Rubio has done anything wrong or not (I don’t think he has from what I have read), he will suffer some fallout just by Crist saying he is part of this and the general suspicions surrounding politics this year.
    If Crist goes independent then his antics opens the door for Libertarian candidate Alex Snitker to join the race and act as spoiler. The winner will only need about 32% of the vote. I only see Meeks getting about 20% of the vote, Crist about 25% and the rest split between Rubio and Snitker.

  • mdd1956

    http://www.marcorubio.com/charlie-crists-false-credit-card-attacks/

    it was all over talk radio etc. around here (tallahassee) a while ago.

    If the entire story comes out, young Maro will look like the Boy Scout of the bunch.

  • renny

    and Rubio will have the field.

    I doubt he should’ve used the card as he did, but if he reimbursed all expenses, he should have no legal case ahead.

  • DirtyDave

    When I had a company credit card, that’s what I did. Keep the records and write a check. No problems.

    You can tell who the bad guys are in politics. They are the ones trying to destroy the good guys. Look at the treatment that Sarah Palin got and she came through just fine. It had to have been painful, but she kept her head and standards high. I think this is now happening to Rubio and I have a feeling he will come through just as well.

  • cabanon

    The RPOF most likely has 501(C)4 status it is a tax-exempt political organization and as a requirement for that status can not use its funds for individual or personal expenses. It doesn’t matter if it is paid back or not. Its funds can not be used for defacto loans to individuals either. Essentially you can not set up a non-profit, pay for personal purchase and avoid the taxes, that is most definitely illegal. Going back and paying the taxes doesn’t make the violation go away.

    The American political system has more than two parties, its just that two currently dominate the system. You can certainly have a third party that caucuses with one of the major ones and I’d imagine a third party Tea Party would caucus with Republicans. I think it could be a workable system.

  • acat

    First, there is no tax avoidance because the money is never borrowed from the RPOF. It’s borrowed from AmEx, on the same terms that AmEx gives every corporate card holder, “Pay by the end of the period”.

    Second, there is no way for a third party to supplant either majority party – the system is rigged that way. If a third party puts forth ideas that are popular, one of the two major parties will co-opt the message, stealing most of the supporters of the third party and frequently getting the candidate from the other major party elected along the way.

    Those who do not learn from history are doomed to repeat it.

    Mew

  • soljerblue

    “…there is no way for a third party to supplant either majority party – the system is rigged that way. If a third party puts forth ideas that are popular, one of the two major parties will co-opt the message, stealing most of the supporters of the third party and frequently getting the candidate from the other major party elected along the way.”

    If you look at the historic record, going all the way back to TR’s BullMoose Party in 1912, you’ll see that third party movements wind up throwing elections to the least desireable alternative. TR, for example, decided he wanted another shot at the presidency, and that his annointed one in 1909, William Howard Taft, wasn’t progressive enough. So he ran, and wound up throwing the victory to even more progressive Woodrow Wilson. Then, of course, we have the more recent example of Ross Perot’s two presidential campaigns, which wound up getting the Schlockmeister-In-Chief, Bill Clinton, elected with less than 50 percent of the vote. Third parties may get their concerns incorporated into a major party platform, but I know of none that ever elected its slate in a national election.

  • acat

    Carter on the Dem side barely won a bruising primary against Teddy “Binge!” Kennedy, while on the Repub side, John Anderson refused to back Reagan and ran as an independent.

    Anderson is a footnote to history at best, Reagan clobbered the now-weakened Carter, and it’s quite likely Anderson actually hurt Carter more than Reagan….

    The lesson I see here is that, if the Tea Party comes together inside the GOP apparatus (as ColdWarrior has suggested innumerable times) then the Tea Partiers can pick and elect winning candidates.

    If the Tea Party choose to go their own way, they’ll be footnotes.

    Mew

  • http://impudent.blognation.us/blog kyle8

    It is the Idea I have always favored of a “party within a party” that uses the larger party to get it’s own views through.

    If we had a different system that would not be necessary, but we have a two party, winner take all system.

  • http://impudent.blognation.us/blog kyle8

    Your post just shows us that we were right not to trust this guy.

  • deunique

    YOU are absolutely right. We need men who are right, not just men who claim to be on the right side of wrong.

    Down with the Village Of Palm Springs Florida leaders… anyone who wants to know why look of Deuniqued on twitter. Let me know you’re interested and I’ll tell you anything you want to know.

    David Z. Eunice

  • cabanon

    The card wasn’t issued to Rubio, it was issued to the RPOF. By giving it to Rubio the RPOF allows Rubio to make purchase on its behalf. If you buy a stolen TV from a pawnshop with a credit card, you are responsible for the illegal purchase, not the credit card company. AmEx isn’t responsible for the purchase and does not own the purchase until you pay your bill, it doesn’t work that way.