It Was Mitch McConnell


With the dagger in the conservatory.

Mitch McConnell is finally endorsing Trey Grayson in Kentucky after working behind the scenes for months with Grayson’s campaign.

Grayson’s campaign has all the hallmarks of a McConnell Senate campaign effort, i.e. it is losing. Both times McConnell led the Senate Republicans’ election efforts, they lost seats.

But it gets more interesting.

As news of McConnell’s endorsement percolates this morning in Kentucky, we now know which Senior Republican lied to James Dobson to persuade Dobson to endorse Trey Grayson over Rand Paul.

The misleader?

Mitch McConnell.

McConnell has been playing favorites in the race behind the scenes. He drove Jim Bunning out of the Senate by orchestrating a media campaign that Bunning was giving up. Now he wants him some Trey Grayson. Why?

Grayson will be a yes man and an automatic vote for McConnell. Grayson will not stand in the way of Mitch’s desire to pilfer the budget. What is hilarious is McConnell saying Grayson will help him stand up to Obama’s big spending ways — this from a man who ran his entire re-election campaign on how much blood he could bleed from the federal budget turnip for Kentucky at everyone else’s expense.

Nice. Real nice.

Lying to James Dobson is the American protestant equivalent of lying to the Pope. McConnell needs to be rebuked for that.


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the new PPP poll is the nail in Trey's coffin....

ajhjack Tuesday, May 4th at 10:45AM EDT (link)

I still don’t understand how more Kentuckians don’t have a bad opinion of McConnell. He is the ultimate Washington insider, out of touch with the rank-and-file and pretty sleazy on top of it. First torpedoing Bunning and now lying to Dobson. Give me a break. Wish we could get a new candidate when he’s up for election. But now it’s Rand Paul’s race to lose and I doubt that’s going to happen. Thank goodness.

 

So Mitch can't hide anymore. I'm glad of that

earlgrey (Diary) Tuesday, May 4th at 10:48AM EDT (link)

I hope this endorsement doesn’t help Greyson. He must have felt desparate to openly endorse him as that is odd to alienate a large fraction of your own party in your own state.

If you'll recall...Mitch won his seat last time out by the skin of his teeth...

AceInTX (Diary) Tuesday, May 4th at 7:10PM EDT (link)

we dragged his worthless AXX over the finish line…to our shame methinks…

so how much does his endorsement help Grayson anyway? Mitch isn’t all that popular in KY and this won’t help his poularity

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Paul has been caught lying..

jpniner (Diary) Tuesday, May 4th at 11:18AM EDT (link)

Dobson needs to do some homework obviously, Paul got caught lying on his Pro-life score recently for starters:

http://www.newsrealblog.com/2010/04/24/rand-paul-caught-lying-about-pro-life-survey/

and this isn’t a first, see the link related to Israel/Adam Kokesh(nutjob) at the bottom.

Rand holds his fathers positions, which are rhetorically pro-life. In practice not so much, which is why in recent years Paul has had NARAL ratings of 65%. He’s a crank.

that is nonesense. He may have left one answer blank is the whole dispute

sailingaway Tuesday, May 4th at 11:34AM EDT (link)

And that question was fully answered by overlap with the prior question, in any event.

Why? Paul supports States Killing Babies

jpniner (Diary) Tuesday, May 4th at 12:15PM EDT (link)

just claims he wants to stop the Federal Govt. Grayson supports stopping baby killing at all levels of Govt. within the USA, unlike the Paul’s. That whole “Life, Liberty and Pursuit” thing.

Paul’s position is like saying Texas can Outlaw Guns and seize them, but the Federal Govt. can not. Or Texas can allow baby killing, but the Feds can not..

Further, Paul is opposed to Federal Legislation barring Minors from getting Abortions across State Lines. This is hardly a Pro-life position, during the horse and buggy, long transportation times….it would’ve been closer to a pro-life position.

Paul beleives its OK for North Carolina to kill babies, and South Carolina outlaw baby killing. AND, that if a South Carolina minor crosses State Lines to NC to get Abortion the Feds shouldn’t stop the killing.

This is why his father gets high NARAL ratings some congressional voting years.

What other unalienable rights do you guys think states can alienate besides the right to live?

jpniner (Diary) Tuesday, May 4th at 12:21PM EDT (link)

Let me counter your argument with a question

Leopard1996 (Diary) Tuesday, May 4th at 12:30PM EDT (link)

What other things should the federal government be allowed to control. I would rather the laws go to the state level and let the laws of economics set in, and have states that allow abortion which are also liberal bastions be destroyed under their own weight, and those that would not allow abortion prosper from people moving to those states.

“The accumluated filth of all their sex and murder will foam up about their waists and all the whores and politicians will look up and shout, “Save Us!”….and I’ll look down and whisper, “No”…The Watchmen

 

Do you always twist issues like this?

RedBeard Tuesday, May 4th at 1:55PM EDT (link)

A true constitutionalist would understand that Roe must be overturned because it’s based upon a false interpretation of the Constitution. Getting rid of Roe would not ban abortions. It would throw the issue back to the states, where they may restrict abortion as they see fit.

Those states which continue to allow the killing of unborn babies might very well run afoul of the Fifth Amendment. But the character assassination you’re putting forth is misleading and reprehensible.

Standard-bearer for grouchy curmudgeonry since, oh, 1975 or so.

jpniner Wants The Christian Version of Sharia Law

jaybo (Diary) Tuesday, May 4th at 4:28PM EDT (link)

I am a born again believer but I also understand that trying to force the unsaved to live by my christian ethics is not what Christianity is all about.

The reason why America has a law protecting abortion rests solely on the Christians in this country that have shirked their main responsibility. America needs a spiritual revival not another law on the books.

Umm....

Neil Stevens (Diary) Tuesday, May 4th at 4:45PM EDT (link)

Care to point me to where in the Bible or in any church’s documents the “Christian version of Sharia Law” is written out?

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Don't let the perfect be the enemy of the good here...Turning abortion back to the states is achievable...

AceInTX (Diary) Tuesday, May 4th at 7:16PM EDT (link)

and Paul would help in that endeavor…I’ll take what I can get…I want all abortions across this country STOPPED…and if that were achievable right now I’d be with you in saying Paul isn’t good enough…but allowing Texas to stop the whole sale slaughter of innocents is a worthy step in the right direction

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Considering that every country in Europe

aesthete (Diary) Tuesday, May 4th at 9:27PM EDT (link)

that I know of has some restrictions on abortion, even the most liberal of them, I doubt that there would be a single state with unfettered abortion. Even places like NY would have a large minority vote to help us out in that regard.

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Hey, so does Fred Thompson!

aesthete (Diary) Tuesday, May 4th at 12:23PM EDT (link)

If what you mean by “supports killing babies at the state level” is that he prefers states establishing their own laws on how they will penalize and prosecute abortion.

“It is a popular delusion that the government wastes vast amounts of money through inefficiency and sloth. Enormous effort and elaborate planning are required to waste this much money.”
-P.J. O’Rourke

 

Stop with the trolling

constitutionalconservative (Diary) Tuesday, May 4th at 1:38PM EDT (link)

Jpniner the only diaries you’ve ever posted in the last several months (save for one ridiculous over-the-top attack on Glenn Beck) are misleading attacks on Rand Paul and/or his father. And despite several direct requests from diarists here at RedState you have never disclosed whether you may have some particular stake in bashing Rand Paul or whether you are affiliated in some way (direct or indirect) with the party establishment (as it would seem from many of your posts). Perhaps you are just a concerned citizen, but your maniacal focus on completely over the top bashing of our likely nominee in KY (up 18 points in the latest independent poll released today) gives me pause.

Now you want us to believe that Northern KY Right to Life and James Dobson (both of whom have endorsed Paul after extensive questioning) don’t know that Rand Paul is actually pro-choice, but you do. Not likely, and frankly saying so makes you not credible.

But ultimately it doesn’t matter whether you like Rand Paul or not. To anyone who is paying attention to this race (including a lot of the national media), it’s clear that this a referendum on the future of the Republican party. A vote for Grayson is a vote for McConnell and the timid and non-conservative Republican establishment. A vote for Rand Paul is a vote for grassroots conservatives.

I’ll support our nominee in Kentucky regardless of who wins, but I know which side I’m on. You seem to be on the side of making hysterical attacks on our likely nominee.

Hmm, I hope you know he's a ghost now. -nt-

Richard Mullins (Diary) Tuesday, May 4th at 1:42PM EDT (link)

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Nonsense. Rand Paul has ALWAYS been pro life

sailingaway Tuesday, May 4th at 1:42PM EDT (link)

But when someone murders someone, what law do you think applies?

State law. States create criminal law. Those who hold out to get California and Florida on board before they do anything to stop abortion are the ones letting babies in Kentucky and Georgia die.

I'm personally pro-life but I won't vote for pro-life bills

Neil Stevens (Diary) Tuesday, May 4th at 2:31PM EDT (link)

Who’s that sound like? Oh yeah, Jon Carry.

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Not all "pro-life" bills are equal

aesthete (Diary) Tuesday, May 4th at 2:45PM EDT (link)

and many, instead of making enforcement and penalties the state’s business, foolishly make enforcement and penalties part of the federal government’s purview. As pro-lifers, we owe it to ourselves to look at the facts, and realize that enforcement of anti-abortion legislation is extremely difficult in the best of situations. Do we really want to criminalize abortion, only to have a federal government not provide sufficient funding for enforcement of said criminalization? The War on Drugs, which has more popular support than a federal War on Abortion ever would, has produced several perverse incentives, general lawlessness, and an enormous black market. I don’t want the same to happen with abortion, and federal legislation and enforcement is the surest way to create such an outcome. That was never John Kerry’s position, which was more of a Bill Clinton-esque, “safe, legal and rare”. Conflating the two positions is fraudulent.

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There's more to the abortion issue than a federal ban

Neil Stevens (Diary) Tuesday, May 4th at 2:48PM EDT (link)

And if you knew the pro-life issue you’d know that.

What’s fraudulent is to pretend that the PBA is the alpha and omega of being pro-life in DC.

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I do know that

aesthete (Diary) Tuesday, May 4th at 3:06PM EDT (link)

Which is why I wrote what I did: Ron Paul’s pretty much nuts as far as economics and foreign policy go, but his stance on the pro-life issue (which from the context, I assume you reference above) is both admirable and different from John Kerry’s. Among other things, Ron Paul didn’t vote against all pro-life measures and legislation, and in fact, created some himself. if you want to class that as not being pro-life, you’re free to do so, but I doubt that you’d find all that many in the pro-life movement given that narrow definition.

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Something must have changed since I was last here

AKSteveB (Diary) Tuesday, May 4th at 3:18PM EDT (link)

Weren’t most on this site pretty strong for Grayson?

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Erick endorsed Rand Paul

aesthete (Diary) Tuesday, May 4th at 8:29PM EDT (link)

An endorsement which has created some controversy among RSers. Essentially, his argument was that Grayson has questionable ties to the left, and that even though Rand is nutty, he isn’t as bad as dad, and would err on the side of liberty. I tend to agree, though I’m not strongly in favor of either of those two, myself. (Having a Fed luddite being our candidate isn’t my preference, among other questionable positions.) OTOH, I suppose that having some pro-life libertarian representation in Congress can’t be too bad.

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I'm surprised but ok.

AKSteveB (Diary) Tuesday, May 4th at 9:07PM EDT (link)

I haven’t studied that much about Rand (guess I’ll have to change that), but he seemed pretty much in lockstep with his father. We’ll have to support him in the general election, I just hope we don’t have to deal with a bunch of Paul cultists again.

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At the federal level declaring that life begins at conception

liandro (Diary) Tuesday, May 4th at 3:29PM EDT (link)

is a good place to start. That is what the elder Paul would do, and if I remember correctly Rand has agreed with that.

The bill *would* be a federal act, but it would leave all charges at the state level, just like most things murder-related. Paul’s specific bill would also strip the federal courts of certain jurisdictions over abortion, in effect wiping out RvW and making the states deal with the issue as the death of an American (if life begins at conception, presumably citizenship comes into play?).

This would be a massive leap and bound for pro-lifers everywhere, and state-level activists would be all over the follow-through.

Taken from his website:

“I am 100% pro life. I believe abortion is taking the life of an innocent human being.
I believe life begins at conception and it is the duty of our government to protect this life.
I will always vote for any and all legislation that would end abortion or lead us in the direction of ending abortion.
I believe in a Human Life Amendment and a Life at Conception Act as federal solutions to the abortion issue. I also believe that while we are working toward this goal, there are many other things we can accomplish in the near term.”

"his" being Rand's, sorry.

liandro (Diary) Tuesday, May 4th at 3:34PM EDT (link)

Side note: anyone with a libertarian streak who believes that life begins at conception is going to consider defending and protecting that unborn of utmost importance and well within the duty of any level of government. Individual rights deserve to be protected, and chief among them is the right to life. All other rights are not possible without life.

 
 
 
 
 
 
 
 

jpniner, Your Link Is A Joke!

jaybo (Diary) Tuesday, May 4th at 11:34AM EDT (link)

I often wonder if the National Republican Leadership has individuals that go onto blogs like this one in an effort to affect opinion.

I give you the link that jpniner posts as a perfect example. Rand leaves a question blank and is hammered for it with spurious accusations as to his honesty and competence.

Of course the trouble with the above strategy is that conservatives are usually smarter and can see through this kind of ridiculous character assassination.

 
 

Sen. McConnell Is No Friend Of Conservatives

jaybo (Diary) Tuesday, May 4th at 11:27AM EDT (link)

These establishment republicans in congress know how to play “word games” to get the support of conservatives but in truth do not share the bulk of our values. If we aren’t careful, we are going to see the control flip back to republicans but have the same game played by republican senators during The Bush Administration. This is really going to be a tough slog changing the principles of republican senators in Washington DC.

One thing is for sure though, giving them our money right now is no better than flushing it down the toilet.

I no longer donate ANYTHING to the Republican Party.

zollistar (Diary) Tuesday, May 4th at 11:53AM EDT (link)

I do two things:

1. Look for solidly conservative candidates and donate directly to their campaigns; and

2. Donate my time to said candidates.

Re: #2 above: I have made calls from my New York City apartment for Marlin Stutzman in Indiana.

It is possible that I will donate money to Senator J. DeMint’s Senate Conservatives Fund. The group is backing good men like, well, like…my man, Marlin Stutzman!

 
 

Well, the PPP poll has Rand ahead by 18%

sailingaway Tuesday, May 4th at 11:37AM EDT (link)

and everyone already knew McConnell favored Trey…. AND Dobson’s switch of his endorsement came AFTER the poll.

I’d say Trey is in trouble.

But while Paul is a better candidate against the Dems, as well, this mass attack posture by Trey’s campaign is hurting both GOP candidates for the general. If Trey REALLY cared about the GOP keeping this seat, he’d cut it out with the misleading attack ads.

But Isn't That The Real Problem In Wash DC?

jaybo (Diary) Tuesday, May 4th at 11:49AM EDT (link)

We are constantly told that we need to be willing to “work together”. But when one of the “establishment endorsed” candidates falters, then it is okay to destroy the contender. This is why we now have a third party candidate in Florida.

Maybe we now finally see the game as it is really being played in Washington DC.

I agree, but it means that we all need to do more than just pull the lever for the R

earlgrey (Diary) Tuesday, May 4th at 12:02PM EDT (link)

We need to know more about the candidates, we need to vote in the primaries, we need to hold out elected officials accountable, and we need to get involved. Cold Warrior keeps saying we need to get involved in the precinct committee leader positions.

I went to one local republican committee meeting and it really opened my eyes. I encourage everyone to get involved on a local level to some extent. I understand time commitments, money commitments, but it is interesting to see how the party plays favorites. More participation from the peasants can help thwart that.

Also, I voted for McConnell more than 10 years ago when I lived in KY. I am kicking myself now.

Sen. McConnell May Have Been Principled Once

jaybo (Diary) Tuesday, May 4th at 12:08PM EDT (link)

Washington DC has immense power to corrupt politicians and I’m not sure if most people have the stones to resist it.

But it is now clear that Sen. McConnell has been corrupted.

 

We all need to attend local Republican committee meetings

zollistar (Diary) Tuesday, May 4th at 12:23PM EDT (link)

This work — and point of view — is too important to leave to people who don’t truly understand (or “get”) what it means to be a republic with limited government.

We have to start teaching them — also show them that the “right” candidates (can) get elected.

 
 
 

Ditto his Boss...Mitch McConnell

AceInTX (Diary) Tuesday, May 4th at 7:26PM EDT (link)

If Trey REALLY cared about the GOP keeping this seat, he’d cut it out with the misleading attack ads.

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And with the fact that any other legislation

Scope (Diary) Tuesday, May 4th at 12:05PM EDT (link)

passed in the Current Congress will mostly all be in the Senate, one doesn’t get a warm and fuzzy feeling. Whatever happened with Brown being the 41st vote against this administration’s destructive polices, or did that just apply to Obombmacare?

Can we call McConnell a Progressive Republican yet?

Brown is another Snowe, Collins, Chafee Clone...

AceInTX (Diary) Tuesday, May 4th at 7:30PM EDT (link)

He ran conservative to get elected now he’s acting like all the NE establishment kids do…and he’ll lose next time out…

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Not Really

Swamp_Yankee (Diary) Tuesday, May 4th at 7:42PM EDT (link)

You don’t run conservative to get elected in Massachusetts. That’s nonsense.

His acting pretty much how he said would, actually exactly.

He will vote no on a VAT, no on cap and trade, probably no on an amnesty bill. Probably yes on financial and jobs oriented bills.

I really am very dissapointed with Brown

Scope (Diary) Tuesday, May 4th at 7:57PM EDT (link)

not because he “EVER” ran as a Conservative” but because he is not right for the conservative takeover. He was the right man in his election, but, he is not anywhere near what we need in Congress. I know you worked hard for the guy to win, but, with his statements/votes he is already a proven loser for the Conservative takeover. Sometimes when you marry yourself to a particular candidate, they can eventually suck you in. Or, you may have been there already.

There is no Reason to Be Disappointed

Swamp_Yankee (Diary) Tuesday, May 4th at 8:11PM EDT (link)

The way to judge a poltician is in relationship to his constituents. Brown is a man of the people with a conservative bent.

That’s all I really ask any policitcian in this country. If every politician represented their constituents with a conservative bent, everything would be just fine.

Brown has been conservative for Massachusetts and he is doing a good job and the people like him. He stood against health care, and many of the major issues. He’s been with conservatives about 70-80 percent of the time, which is excellent for a conservative from a state with a college campus every five miles.

Its also a bigger responsibility then a conservative “takeover”. HE never ran as that guy anyway. He’s a Senator. He has responsibilities. He’s been attentive, diligent and nobody owns him. That may irk others, but his constituents like it.

Plus,, he is setting up the groundwork for others to follow in his footsteps.

Jeff Perry is next.

 

Now Scope, will you have to try some Listerene? Brown is by far the best we can do

Mike gamecock DeVine (Diary) Tuesday, May 4th at 8:18PM EDT (link)

in Mass. more later…tired

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GC- I don't think I have to go into any explanation

Scope (Diary) Tuesday, May 4th at 9:09PM EDT (link)

here. You are actually backing up Brown, and have disparaged Rubio for his statements. Brown is in the Senate, voting, but, Rubio made some statements that we agree were not “wise.” You really believe that the best Republican we can get in Mass. is better than? We still have more to see what comes out of this newly elected, but, he has not inspired the conservatives. I seriously doubt he will make it through another election in Mass. He can’t win with the R’s, and, chances the D’s will have a much stronger candidate to run against him next time. God in Heaven, some were actually wanting him to run for Pres. What a nightmare.

Not Ted Kennedy. Not Martha Coakley.

aesthete (Diary) Tuesday, May 4th at 9:23PM EDT (link)

I would have been happy with that. I’ve been pleasantly surprised by Brown; he hasn’t bolted from or badmouthed Republicans, is of a populist conservative bent, and has attempted to help the GOP in the East Coast. Beyond that, he has been a mostly reliable vote for the big-ticket items coming down the pike. I’m not really sure how much more people expected from the Ted Kennedy seat’s winner, regardless of party or ideology.

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Scope, what specifically are the two worst votes Brown has cast?

Mike gamecock DeVine (Diary) Tuesday, May 4th at 10:11PM EDT (link)

I’m asking. I recall one or two statements that were too conciliatory to the left and maybe one? vote on a minor spending bill? or to invoke cloture, but nothing of any consequence. On on the otehr side, he has called Obama out in very strong moral terms a few times that carries great weight. Yes, i think he is the best we can get from MASS and I really don’t think he is all that bad. But show me the whole “scope” of the problem! smile

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didn't he just vote on a couple economic issues with Obama

AceInTX (Diary) Tuesday, May 4th at 8:01PM EDT (link)

I didn’t say you run Conservatives in Ma to win…but he did run as a fiscal conservative…and is in office behaving like a Charlie Bass liberal across the board.

Ovviously he was an improvement over Kennedy…and I supported his election…but he’s been a disappointment since he was sworn in

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So far as I know, all of his contrary votes have been on procedure

Mike gamecock DeVine (Diary) Tuesday, May 4th at 8:20PM EDT (link)

and not consequential. I actually agreed with him on one. more later

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Here's two quickies

AceInTX (Diary) Tuesday, May 4th at 11:44PM EDT (link)

Ace, both are popular with the constituents of his state

Richard Mullins (Diary) Tuesday, May 4th at 11:53PM EDT (link)

So, now he should be voting against those constituents that voted him in? I guess that’s what’s being wanted those purity types like you and Scope. I really don’t have a problem with the votes since they match up with the voters of Massachusetts.

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Joe Biden is like a Decrepit Park owner with a Meth lab that happens to not only be a dealer but a user.

Let’s Bankrupt the Democratic paty. Make spend all the money to defend thier candidates.

Rich...no one is talking about purity here...

AceInTX (Diary) Wednesday, May 5th at 12:16AM EDT (link)

I know he can’t run as a social conservative up there…but the people a met when I was stationed up there in the late eighties were a pretty independent bunch as I recall them and they had a lot of the same limited government tendencies that lured me to the Republican Party.

Maybe things have changed up there over the last 30 years…and it’s become a socialist utopia and big government loving bunch of people…I don’t know…but I think he’ll feed people’s cynicism if he plays ball too much with the Dems

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Yes, but that jobs bill was VERY small and I don't have

Mike gamecock DeVine (Diary) Tuesday, May 4th at 11:54PM EDT (link)

too much of a problem with unemployment extensions during such a bad recession. Brown has been with us the big issues and very earnest and strongly critical of Obama. He adds a pretty good voice to the party, imho.

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And in Those Months

Swamp_Yankee (Diary) Tuesday, May 4th at 11:59PM EDT (link)

He stood against health care. He rejected their financial regulatory reform bill. He’s rejected pleas on immigration. He has been critical of cap and trade.

time will tell...I'm not ready to burn him at the stake...

AceInTX (Diary) Wednesday, May 5th at 12:11AM EDT (link)

but the stimulus bill was a disappointment….

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Look...I'm not saying he ran as a down south falwell type conservative...

AceInTX (Diary) Wednesday, May 5th at 12:01AM EDT (link)

and I know that kind of conservativism won’t sell in NE…

what I am saying though is…as I recall his campaign…he ran as a down the line fiscal conservative…and within weeks of taking office he goes all in in Obama’s stimulus 2….

As for whether he’ll win the next election, I think he won the last one because he ran as a Republican who wanted to stop the excesses coming from Washington…I think he was seen as a breath of fresh air to many Republicans who no longer vote because they’ve been told the only people that can win up there are Charlie Bass Lincoln Chafee fifth column Republicrats. The reason I don’t think he’ll win again doesn’t have anything to do with who the Dems will run against him…I think he’ll lose if he continues playing patty cake with the Dems on the budget because he’ll return many who thought he was a different kind of Yankee Repub to the cynicism and apathy that has always kept them from voting in the past.

You were closer to the ground up there than I could ever be in Texas but the campaign I remember from him was pretty down the line fiscally conservative…and very limited government which is what the 41st vote thing was about….people were turned on by that…and if he get’s too friendly with the Dems on fiscal issues..I contend people will conclude there is no difference between the Republicans and Democrats anyway…and won’t turn out to vote.

The stimulus defection wasn’t a back breaker…but if he makes a habit of it…he’s toast

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For the record before the flame war starts...

AceInTX (Diary) Wednesday, May 5th at 12:07AM EDT (link)

I know there are huge difference between the Repubs and Dems…I’m discussing what many of the apathetic people who don’t vote believe…

If I had a dollar for every time I heard someone tell me they’d vote for the Repub in a NY minute if they meant what they said about limited government and fiscal discipline but said they wouldn’t vote because the Repub was no different than the Dem…I’d be a rich man…

I’d like to see someone in NE try running a traditional fiscal conservative, limited government campaign up there and see how they’d do

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It Had Nothing To Do With Republicans Coming Out

Swamp_Yankee (Diary) Wednesday, May 5th at 12:15AM EDT (link)

If every single Republican in Mass votes, it is still not enough to win. Its just raw numbers. Its not a matter or will or conjecture. There is no secret army of conservative voters just waiting to be preached to the right way.

I’ve studied the raw numbers. He won because he won over moderates and conservative Democrats and they dont want him to go to DC and be a tool for the GOP, and honestly neither do most of the conservatives. Also, the unemployment extension was small peanuts. And very popular.

Read my last reply to scope. And do some research. Just because he hasn’t proven himself as a filibuster vote, doesnt mean he isnt. He is blocking all kinds of stuff. The Dems would have brought the items to floor if he was on board.

For example:

http://www.boston.com/news/politics/politicalintelligence/2010/04/brown_says_he_w.html

 
 
 

Could it be instead?

SteveLA (Diary) Tuesday, May 4th at 7:43PM EDT (link)

That Senator Brown, Collins and Snowe represent the views of their constituents, who aren’t very conservative in the way that you want?

What a concept, politicians who respect the views of the people who elected them.

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Competency over ideological purity and litmus tests

SteveLA- When people have been in Washington

Scope (Diary) Tuesday, May 4th at 8:15PM EDT (link)

as long as Snowe et al, they become someone they never were when they were originally elected to Congress. They spend more time in DC than they do in their own home districts. They are at least required to be in Wash. for 5 days a week. If you think they go home to their districts, and spend their time there with their constituents, and in Townhall meetings, you are mistaken. They hide out in their homes. If they were truly representing their constittiuents, they would be out there, talking with those people, and, then going back to DC and voting accordingly. Of course the Maine twins for example voted against Obamacare, will they vote against the Financial Reform bill, or the Cap and Trade Bill. Gramnesty is undoubtedly working them hard.

Your slam was on Brown

SteveLA (Diary) Tuesday, May 4th at 8:23PM EDT (link)

1) Brown just got there
2) Brown is about as conservative as you’re going to get in Mass and other parts of the country like CA or NY.
3) Snowe et all keep getting elected, and the sort of “true conservatives” you seem to be in love with will get beat in their states and large parts of the country.

As Larry Bowa would say….”Save it”.

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Competency over ideological purity and litmus tests

SteveLA- Brown was a momentary illusion

Scope (Diary) Tuesday, May 4th at 9:39PM EDT (link)

he was elected right before the Senate “may have” had to take up Obamacare again. He pushed himself, and, the country pushed him as the 41st vote against Obamacare. Anyone paying attention would have known that Obamacare would never go back to the Senate. Reid did more arm twisting than even Pelosi, and, he had less of a margin. The fix was in, early on, no matter what kind of shennaigians were talked about, smoke and mirrors, “Deem and Pass, etc.” It was never going back to the Senate. The country bought it up. What passed? The Senate Bill. That was what was planned all along. The Stupak amendement was a joke, just as the appearance that the R’s would have any say at all.

Yup- Brown got elected because of misinformation. It didn’t take him long to dissapoint, for those that actually thought he would be on the R’s side. No doubt, without the national support he gained, he will have little chance of winning again. He has more than dissapointed, but, this time, he will have to run against a much better D than Coakley. He won’t survive, as, the D’s would always rather have a real D than a sometimes one.

So, I say, you are right that the states you mentioned will surely revert back to D control. They just can’t help themselves. Bank on it!

Making No Sense About Scott Brown

Swamp_Yankee (Diary) Tuesday, May 4th at 10:47PM EDT (link)

First of all, you dont need a real filibuster to have the effect ofa fillibuster. Brown wont budge on amnesty despite Obama’s pleading. If the Dems had 60, they would move forward. They dont because the 41 Republicans are presenting a united front. So stop with this is it was just about health care. He is helping all over the place…. cap and trade, national defense, immigration, financial reform….

Second, he went from a 30 point deficit to a low single point deficit with no outiside help at all. I love how people got involved in the last ten days and want to claim victory for him. He won on his own merit. It was not about ObamaCare. Deval Patick is polling in the 30s and it has nothing to do with national conservatives or health care. People are in a state of rebellion here.

Also, on the one hand, people like you keep hammering him for not being conservative enough. On the other hand, you keep stating that Mass will run a stronger Dem and he will lose in 2012 anyway. Which is it.

Can you really delude yourself into thinking the only way he can win is to act like a super conservative in defiance of his constituents, even though it was moderates and Democrats that pushed him over the top, not conservatives. Mass remains a 3:1 Republican to Democrat state.

You cannot win in Massachusetts on conservative support alone. The votes of moderates matters more then outside money. He cannot afford to alienate the three quarters of the state to be a Jim DeMint clone.

Some people just want to hate.

 
 
 
 

But SteveLA, that would imply that a major premise

CincoSolas_del_Bronx (Diary) Wednesday, May 5th at 12:30AM EDT (link)

of many on the right–including this site–is false: namely, that the health of a state or country is primarily dependent upon its elected officials rather than its citizens.

A pregnant thought, that, conjuring all sorts of images of interaction, instruction and persuasion; probably too much so for many.

Those dreading urbanization should remember that though the Kingdom of God first appeared in a temporal Garden, at the end of the book it is established in an eternal City. (paraphrase, James M. Boice)

soli Deo gloria

 
 
 
 

Mitch McConnell is a disgrace

fpete13527 (Diary) Tuesday, May 4th at 12:07PM EDT (link)

McConnell should be considered at the top of the list of detriments to the country at this time. I know that is exstensive.

This isn’t simply for this incident.

McConnell refuses to acknowledge that he is not a conservative and that he does not want the country to shift back to constitutional government but rather remain a progressive one. Who else would have Charlie Crist on the cover of the NRSC until the day before he turns independent?

Although it will make Obama’s campaigners happy, I think it is time to lambast McConnell daily, if not more, for the NON-conservative person of non-integrity that he is.

Not one penny to any of the national GOP organizations until he is either counseled/shifted…or out of office.

If the core of the Senate is conservative, now is the time to start opening your mouth and not leaving the battles to one or two Senators to fight. If the majority of the Senators are going to demonstrate “rat-speak” and progressive types of “progressive double-talk” …you should consider yourself as bad as McConnell….and not worthy of support.

This is not only about the race in Kentucky, but rather the requirement to shift hard and fast back to constitutionhal principles. MCConnell ……and Senators like McCain, would be glad to allow the country to go progressive. It is time to start making it clearer to the country…..daily.

Lifetime ACU rating:

Adjoran (Diary) Wednesday, May 5th at 3:05AM EDT (link)

89.40

That’s not conservative enough for you, but you’d support a complete isolationist like Paul?

Well, he’s only isolationist when it comes to stationing military forces outside our borders, or carrying out operations and forming alliances in our national interests. He’s all for that “smart diplomacy” stuff that’s working so well for Obama.

Erick may think it’s better to have a slightly nutty guy than one who seems tied to the party establishment, but he’s on a bit of a crusade against the party types and seen some successes, and seems a bit drunk with his own power.

Adding another Paul to the Congress is not going to be productive for conservatives. It’s a terrible lapse in judgment.

 
 

Really want to get in bed with a supporter of Adam Kokesh?

jpniner (Diary) Tuesday, May 4th at 12:18PM EDT (link)

seriously, is Red State now allied with the likes of Adam Kokesh to spite the ‘establishment’ who are pandering to national moods and the idea of building a majority in a 50/50 nation with Moderates deciding national elections?

good for Mitch

proudgop (Diary) Tuesday, May 4th at 12:33PM EDT (link)

He has been fighting the Obama administration tooth and nail and Grayson will be a principle republican

Paul is like his dad unpredictable and I have bad feeling their is a lot dirt for Dems on him

Fighting?

RedBeard Tuesday, May 4th at 2:02PM EDT (link)

Judging by his impotent fighting skills against Obamacare, McConnell’s teeth and nails must be in pretty bad shape.

Standard-bearer for grouchy curmudgeonry since, oh, 1975 or so.

 

McCConnell?......Has been FIGHTING the Obama agenda????...PHPHPHPHPHPHPHPHFFFFTTTTTT!

AceInTX (Diary) Tuesday, May 4th at 7:35PM EDT (link)

AAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAAAAAA

Stop…my sides hurt!

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Dirt on Paul??

dmj123 Monday, May 10th at 2:02PM EDT (link)

Trey Greyson is a career politician like his father Mitch before him. Rand comes from the libertarian wing of the republican party like his father. They are against govt in general, they are against legislating morality in general, and they are for letting you keep you money rather than taxing the crap out of you. They feel that most issues should be handled on a local, read state, level rather than by the federal govt. I trust these positions much more than the stated positions of any career politician. These are the positions of the founding fathers and they lead to our country becoming great.
This means that they are for letting the states decide abortion policy and most other policies rather than trying to ram morals down the throat of others. The democrats rammed health care down our throats, (or was it up another part of our anatomy??), we should learn from that and not ram our morals down the throats of others

 
 

jpniner Finally Tells Us Where He's Coming From

jaybo (Diary) Tuesday, May 4th at 1:39PM EDT (link)

” is Red State now allied with the likes of Adam Kokesh to spite the ‘establishment’”

Clearly he does not feel that “Red State” readers and followers share his values or opinions. The real question I have is what motivates him to come onto this board to post?

Finally, the latest character assassination of Rand Paul looks much more like your typical liberal tactic than it does a typical conservative critic that uses facts.

 

jpniner- Yeah, exactly, we want the national

Scope (Diary) Tuesday, May 4th at 8:20PM EDT (link)

party members to get a freakin clue, or to get out of the pool now,

 

Rand Paul = Debra Medina?

kuksool (Diary) Monday, May 10th at 2:40PM EDT (link)

Rand Paul may look like a decent general election candidate now, but my fear is that the Dems may be able to expose Rand Paul for being 9-11 Truther and hand the KY seat to the Dems.

 

Rand Paul = Debra Medina?

kuksool (Diary) Monday, May 10th at 2:40PM EDT (link)

Rand Paul may look like a decent general election candidate now, but my fear is that the Dems may be able to expose Rand Paul for being 9-11 Truther and hand the KY seat to the Dems.

 
 

I beg to differ.

NightTwister (Diary) Tuesday, May 4th at 1:22PM EDT (link)

Dobson is no leader of evangelicals. He’s done some good things to help parents raise their children, but in politics he’s been a disaster.

He certainly doesn’t speak for me as a Christian, nor any of my Christian friends.

And really, aren’t these elections becoming a war between McConnell and DeMint, and no longer really about the candidate and whether or not they will represent the wishes of the voters that will send them to Washington? Now, given the choice, I’d certainly choose DeMint over McConnell for leadership, but I’m also not willing to trade one tyrant for another.

“Baseball fits America well because it expresses our longing for the rule of law while licensing our resentment of law givers.” ― Major League Commissioner of Baseball A. Bartlett Giamatti

 

Dobson

ffc99 Tuesday, May 4th at 3:27PM EDT (link)

I agree with a general point of this post, which is that it’s time for Mitch to leave the Senate.

I do have to respond to this statement, though:

“Lying to James Dobson is the American protestant equivalent of lying to the Pope.”

Simply not true. Dobson speaks for only a certain segment of American protestants. Frankly, I’d feel pretty confident in saying that a majority of American protestants have no idea who James Dobson is.

Two misteaks there...

acat (Diary) Tuesday, May 4th at 7:20PM EDT (link)

First, Dobson is reasonably well known, if only as a broadcaster, as a “man with an opinion and a printing press”, if you will inside of Protestant circles. At least the ones I’ve associated with over the years.

Second, Dobson speaks only for Dobson. Lone man with a printing press. He cannot reliably deliver a “bloc” of voters, but he’s been fairly shrewd over the years. He should be able to leverage a bald-faced lie from McConnell into something … perhaps endorsing Someone Else when Mitch is up for re-election again…

Mew

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Caveat Suffragator

Misteak?

ffc99 Tuesday, May 4th at 8:01PM EDT (link)

I stand by my statement that the majority of American protestants wouldn’t know who Dobson is. Well known among evangelicals, yes, others, not so much…

It was a poor choice of words when I said that he “speaks” for a certain segment of protestants. What I meant was that he has some influence over a certain segment of American protestants (as you noted with his broadcasting “empire”).

And what is a misteak? Sounds tasty.

Dobson doesn't have a loud voice

Scope (Diary) Tuesday, May 4th at 8:35PM EDT (link)

because the Progressives in the country have done all they can to squelch any Christian voices. It’s been their goal for years. McCain didn’t help the situation when he called our religious leaders “agents of intolerence.” It’s what Progressives do, kill any and all allegence to anyone above the government, including GOD,and all their handouts.

Progressives, Scope? Statists. Big-government types.

acat (Diary) Tuesday, May 4th at 10:27PM EDT (link)

On *both* sides, as you noted. McCain struggled to get support for his POTUS bid from the same religious leaders he’d railed against only a year or three before. One ironic thing about the religious right – they may forgive, they don’t forget. (which is something McConnell should maybe keep in mind…)

And to ffc99, the population crash in “mainline” (i.e. protestant-non-evangelical) churches over the last 30 years, even without the growth of the evangelicals, means that unless you’re counting lapsed Episcopalians, the numbers are changing.

As for a misteak, it’s something that amuses me to throw into conversation and see who calls me on it. Congrats, you’re the first to point it out in a while.

Mew

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Caveat Suffragator

 
 

Dobson on both the local

cwilson (Diary) Tuesday, May 4th at 11:52PM EDT (link)

Baptist radio station and the Catholic one. Cats and Dogs, living together…Mass Hysteria!!!

If ye love wealth better than liberty, the tranquility of servitude than the animated contest of freedom — go home from us in peace. We ask not your counsels or arms. Crouch down and lick the hands which feed you. May your chains sit lightly upon you, and may posterity forget that you were our countrymen! –Samuel Adams

 
 
 
 

I called this yesterday....it was instinct nothing more but I smelled Mitch's stinky fingers all over this

AceInTX (Diary) Tuesday, May 4th at 7:05PM EDT (link)

http://www.redstate.com/erick/2010/05/03/the-good-lord-giveth-and-the-good-lord-taketh-away/#comment-67573

My guess is…it was Mitch McConnell…Grayson his lackey
AceInTX Monday, May 3rd at 7:09PM EDT (link)

Mitch torpedoed Bunning and hand picked Grayson to replace him

We can thank McConnell the so called brilliant tactician for slow walking us to nationalized health care complete with messaging amendments…and now he doubles down and lies to a public figure to get his endorsement as if Dobson wouldn’t be able to burn him for the deception in the end…

Brilliant tactician my rosey red AXX

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Revelation About the Republican Party

fideist Tuesday, May 4th at 8:02PM EDT (link)

I was stunned when Boehner in the House and McConnell in the Senate were allowed to keep their leadership positions after the 2008 elections. Obviously the Republican leadership is more loyal to itself than to the will of the people.

And, McConnell is now trying to position himself

Scope (Diary) Tuesday, May 4th at 8:46PM EDT (link)

to stay in the same losing position he put us in over the past few years. McConnell is a career politician. He thinks he is now the defacto leader. And, to think we pulled his sorry arse across the finish line in 2008, when he was looking at going down. It’s one thing to pull an ass across the finish line, it’s more than detrimental to pull the arse that isn’t even on our side. Hope we don’t get fooled by any more McConnell’s again. He is currently wearing horse-blinkers, and, ear plugs. Thanks for the help you lackeys, but, now I am going to do what I can to stay here.

 
 

Mitch don't get it

sdeakins Wednesday, May 5th at 4:58AM EDT (link)

Mitch is still playing the good ole buddy network. Grey Treyson career politician is going to be looking for work.

Sam B Deakins

 

Sen. Mitch McGoober

eheassler Wednesday, May 5th at 6:23AM EDT (link)

Like Sen. John McLame, it is time for him to go home and stay home. Both are good reasons for term limits as are others i.e. Sens. Richard E. Byrd, Chuck Tumer, John Kerry, & the late Ted Kennedy. Once entrenched with seniority, they can’t be gotten rid of once they forget that they actually work for the people who elected them as opposed to ruling from their God-like lofty positions in the Senate with all the limos and perks. After WWI, the expression, “Once they’ve seen gay Paree, they won’t go back to the farm!” applies to going to Washington, DC as an elected member of Congress. It becomes all about power and money and after that, who cares about the peons in the hinterlands anywhere outside the beltway.

Eheassler
USN Ret.

 

Mitch's popularity

98_fxdl Monday, May 10th at 5:04PM EDT (link)

I’m a Kentuckian who used to think a lot of Mitch but my opinion changed after seeing the way he undercut Bunning. I don’t dislike the guy but I’d say I’m not real fond of him, either.

A FWIW: There are Rand Paul yard signs “everywhere” throughout northeast KY and bumper stickers (to include mine), as well. I have yet to see one Grayson sign. No sure if that means much but it is a fact in this area of the Commonwealth.