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House GOP’s Spending Cut Less Than Expected

Here is the only piece you need to read about the House GOP’s budget cuts and how insignificant they are.

House Budget Committee Chairman Paul Ryan (R.-Wis.) is filing a budget limit this week that would cut government spending by $32 billion starting March 5. 

The Appropriations Committee will use the new spending levels to determine specific government department cuts and write a new Continuing Resolution (CR) bill that will come to the floor for a vote next week. 

The CR would be the largest one-time discretionary spending cut in history. However, the $32 billion would only cut this year’s budget deficit by 2.2%.

I implore you — go read the whole thing.

COMMENTS

  • zollistar

    This is in… the NY Times no less !

    http://nyti.ms/ih2aOH

    PS: Many of the comments are likewise interesting.

  • johnconradarens

    I guess we just have to keep voting these people out of office until they get the message. We can’t keep putting up with this sort of garbage. No matter what sort of math you use, 32 does not equal 100.

  • usadying

    Reid sent up that god awful omnibus spending bill. McConnell did what he could. The lame duck session was a travesty. Why are the Dems always so much smarter than we are?

  • usadying

    Reid sent up that god awful omnibus spending bill. McConnell did what he could. The lame duck session was a travesty. Why are the Dems always so much smarter than we are?

  • fpete13527
  • unclefred

    Although I don’t know him well, I have met him a few times, and he is aware that I and people like me are the ones who got him elected.

    I told him that this level of cut is simply absurd, and that with the inflation in spending since 2007, 100 Billion in THIS fiscal year only requires that they do their job and take the heat from the press. I told him that the people who sent him there, based on his promise to fix the fiscal insanity expect him to do just that and that we’d be there to defend him.

    He’s not as conservative as I’d have liked, but after the primary he was the best we could get. He is very vulnerable to a primary.

    Turn on the heat. Light em up. Remind them we are watching, and will remember in 2012.

  • bobmontgomery

    We cut the Bush administration slack because of 9/11and we will have to cut whatever administration is there some slack if there is a new conflict So………..why not get rid of the Department of Energy right now, and the Department of Education right now, and the National Endowment for the Arts right now, the Environmental Protection Agency right now, and prepare for the next war?

  • TopGun

    Question: What is the IQ of Republicans?

    Answer: The same as Democrats, 32, and it is not in Billions.

  • drfredc

    Go figure that the GOP Losership can’t figure out spending cuts — A large part of becoming a member of the Losership (of either party) is all about directing spending to your own benefit.

    Forget the Balanced Budget Amendment, just make it so when there’s a deficit, ALL leadership positions are only open to the bottom quarter of Congresscritter spenders in the past session — REGARDLESS OF PARTY. Let those with an actual record of low spending determine the agenda.

    If one really must amend the Constitution to get spending under control, forget the BBA, just make change it so to be eligible for elected office, politicians have to have as much time as an adult working in the private sector as they spend in elected office. Private sector work time shall not include time working in a public union or bureaucracies, consulting or lobbying for public unions or bureaucracies,

    After implemented, strap yourself in as the economy takes off at rocket pace, while gubermint spending, deficits and debt fall.

  • junkbondtrader41

    Only amounts to a 2.2% reduction in the deficit? By that logic, Erik, the full $100 billion would cut it only a bit over 6.5%.

    You were expecting them to throw together a deep-cutting plan on entitlements in 2 months?

  • Change Jar Conservative

    I’d be interested to see what the response was?

  • Change Jar Conservative

    I’d be interested to see what the response was?

  • annas

    do we contact the movers and shakers like Paul Ryan? It is such a hassle to get to them as you have to be in their zip code to get to their email! There should be some simple way to give them a “piece of your mind.” Maybe the difficulty is what they had in mind!

  • the_invisible_hand

    Republicans, like Ryan, have been talking about entitlement reforms for years and years.

    This type of “cut” makes it appear as if that was just pandering that they had no intention of implementing once elected. Let’s not pretend no plans exist for cutting entitlements.

    The only thing lacking is the political will and courage to do it.

  • JadedByPolitics

    out here in America, that is an easy dollar amount to hit…so it does appear they are being a little deceitful.

  • Diogenes314

    And a starting point.

    From the article in the OP….

    “House Budget Committee Chairman Paul Ryan (R.-Wis.) is filing a budget limit this week that would cut government spending by $32 billion starting March 5. ”

    “Next Tuesday, the CR will be brought to the floor under an open process so that members of Congress can introduce amendments. The amendments are still being written by the various factions and Members.

    The debate will go for three days, with the final vote on the measure set for the afternoon of February 17. The GOP leaders say that any further cuts that pass the House would be encouraged, but dependent on the votes.

    ?There has been a lot of talk on our side that members want to cut even further, and most of us welcome that talk and will be supporting yet even further cuts,? said Cantor.

    Also, Cantor indicated that the process of defunding ObamaCare would start with this CR. He said that the final CR would include language to “preclude any funding to be used” for the health care law. “

  • izoneguy

    House Republicans “almost” in Revolt over Spending

    http://www.nationalreview.com/corner/259415/breaking-house-republicans-revolt-over-spending-rich-lowry

    We?re hearing that the Republican Study Committee and GOP freshmen were almost in open revolt at the Republican conference this morning over the initial round of cuts set out by Paul Ryan. The Ryan ceiling falls shorts of the headline number of $100 billion set out in the Pledge, and is therefore considered vastly insufficient. Says a source familiar with the meeting, ?It sent a clear unequivocal message to leadership ? ?Houston, you?ve got a problem.?? The leadership assured conservatives at a RSC lunch later in the day that the message had been received. Says a GOP leadership aide, ?The bill that passes the House will cut substantially more.?

    Republicans better get with it because most of the American public is “almost” in Revolt over Spending as well.
    You don’t have time to dick around. Obama will keep playing you like a fiddle. You have your backs – get out the hatchets and start cutting!!!!!!

  • Flagstaff

    While I’m always in favor of aiming high and falling short, I have enough confidence in Ryan to give him his head. He’s well aware of what the felling is out here.

    Give them a chance to lead; don’t kick them aside because they might appear to be going the “wrong” way because of a boulder in the road that must be circumnavigated.

    Heck, I say cut funds for payroll by 50% across all civilian agencies of government. That would just about put government salaries in line with their non-government counterparts. But I don’t think that will happen.

    Give them a chance to get the ball rolling before we take it away.

  • carolina

    to cut a lot more than the $32 B that is in the base CR. I think people will be pleasantly surprised, and they will have actual votes ON THE RECORD. Next week will be exciting, imo.

  • carolina

    to cut a lot more than the $32 B that is in the base CR. I think people will be pleasantly surprised, and they will have actual votes ON THE RECORD. Next week will be exciting, imo.

  • rec0n

    ?It fulfills the pledge because we said in a year’s time we were going to cut spending by $100 billion. As you know, we are five-twelfths of the way through the fiscal year by the time the expiration occurs.

    ?We will be proposing this again in the next fiscal year, and if you look at it in an annualized basis, I assure you it will be over $100 billion,? Cantor said.

    They are dealing with a few forced realities. I’ve read this and a couple other articles, and I’m not ready to gut them quite yet.

  • carolina

    http://www.rollcall.com/news/-203261-1.html

  • carolina

    http://www.rollcall.com/news/-203261-1.html

  • kestrel

    I was disappointed at first, but Quin Hillyer makes the case that Ryan knows exactly what he’s doing, that a prudent beginning is indeed required by the budget year’s being nearly half over, and that by acting accordingly, Ryan sets the stage to do far more with the 2012 budget (and beyond) than could otherwise be done.

    As a comparison, Hillyer states that the House budget cuts in 1995 were radical for the time, and would be the equivalent of $36 billion today. He adds, ?No little old ladies froze in the street. No toddlers starved in the gutters. No matter how the MSM tried, nobody could really find any horror stories. The GOP entered that fall’s budget battles riding high, with a real head of steam, because we had shown that we could cut both deeply AND carefully… If the GOP cuts willy-nilly, a full $100 billion for THIS fiscal year rather than the coming one, I guarantee there will be horror stories. I guarantee there will be mistakes. I guarantee there will be a political reversal… Paul Ryan knows what he’s doing.?
    http://spectator.org/blog/2011/02/09/budget-cutters-should-chill-ou

    Personally, I’m ashamed I doubted Mr. Ryan so quickly. For me, he’s another one of the few people like Senators Coburn and DeMint, Sarah Palin and Mitch Daniels, whom I am willing to trust even when I don’t understand everything they do. They know what this trust is worth (not mine in particular, they have it from many) and won’t fritter it away.

  • takemccain2

    IF …

    1) YOU DON’T CUT $100 BILLION FROM THE FEDERAL BUDGET LIKE YOU PROMISED YOU WOULD

    IF …

    2) YOU DON’T DEFUND NPR LIKE YOU PROMISED YOU WOULD

    IF …

    3) YOU DON’T REPEAL THE MONSTROSITY OF A HEALTHCARE BILL AND COMPLETELY DEFUND IT (WITHOUT IT BEING FUNDED THROUGH SOME OTHER STLEATH BILL THAT GIVES YOU COVER, YOU GUTLESS TURDS)

    IF …

    YOU DON’T ACT TO SEE THAT THE IMMIGRATION LAWS OF THE UNITED STATES ARE UPHELD AND THAT FUNDING ONLY GOES TO ENFORCEMENT OF OUR LAWS, NOT TO REWARDING ILLEGALS AND THOSE WHO HIRE THEM (I’M TALKING ABOUT YOU CHAMBER OF COMMERCE REPUBLICANS, YOU PIECES OF HUMAN EXCREMENT)

    IF …

    THE WORTHLESS LOT CALLED SENATE REPUBLICANS DON’T GET THEIR ACT TOGETHER AND START USING EVERY PROCEDURAL TRICK AND METHOD AT THEIR DISPOSAL TO DENY THIS REGIME MORE TAXPAYER MONEY FOR SOCIALIST POLICIES (CAN’T BELIEVE MCCONNELL AND COMPANY PAT THEMSELVES ON THE BACK FOR HOLDING UP A LOUSY DROP – 1 MILLION)

    AND

    KEEP LINDSEY GRAHAM AND JOHN MCCAIN FROM HAVING ANY POWER IN THE U.S. SENATE (MCCONNELL, CAN YOU CONTROL YOUR CAUCUS?!? NOT FROM WHERE I’M STANDING YOU LOSER) AND CUTTING DEALS WITH DEMOCRATS THAT UNDERMINE CONSERVATIVES.

    IF YOU CAN’T DO ALL OF THE ABOVE

    KISS IT. YOU WILL NEVER… EVER… GET A VOTE FROM ME AGAIN AS LONG AS I LIVE.

    YOU PEOPLE ARE AN ABSOLUTE, LYING, GUTLESS EMBARRASSMENT.

    THAT IS MY PLEDGE. NOT AN OUNCE OF MY PASSION WILL BE WASTED EVER AGAIN ON POLITICS OR POLITICIANS. HOPE YOU IN THE GOP ARE READING THESE SITES. THIS IS ONE CONSERVATIVE WHO WILL TAKE HIS BALL AND GO HOME FOR GOOD. ENJOY TRYING TO WIN ELECTIONS WITHOUT VOTERS LIKE ME.

    THE BALL IS NOW IN YOUR COURT, GOP. ARE YOU GOING TO PLAY TO WIN OR ARE YOU GOING TO FORFEIT SO EVERYONE CAN GET ALONG?

    PROVE ME WRONG. PLEASE.. PROVE – ME – WRONG!!!!!

  • http://908StraightSt.wordpress.com/ mbecker908

    The current “budget” adds $4+B to the debt EVERY DAY. Note, that’s not what the federal government spends, it’s the addition to the debt.

    $100B is simply 25 days of spending. If anything, it’s too small. Ryan etal lost their ability to produce testosterone somewhere along the way, to their great shame. And this should be a deep-breath moment for us because it’s taken less than a month for them to become totally acclimatized to the altitude in DC and cave in to the “powers”. One dollar less than $100B is a total sell-out by the Republican leadership (such as it is).

    The apparent good news appears to be that the freshmen brought a couple of gallons of testosterone to the meeting and we may well get back to the $100B. If we see one dollar less we should be working to replace the entire Republican House Leadership.

  • aesthete

    They’re all pols, and while Ryan’s a smart guy, his voting record is far from pristine (voted for Medicare Pt D, NCLB, etc).

  • acat

    crap… ?

    That is, he’s a politician and therefore automatically suspect?

    Sounds about right to me. They’re hired experts, just like doctors, plumbers, mechanics, software developers… they’re paid to know a lot about – in Ryan’s case – how to make laws that implement the will of the people… and like any hired expert, their work needs to be monitored.

    If your doctor says your eye needs to be removed, you get a second opinion. If your mechanic says you need a new transmission, the old one had better be acting up or you’re getting a new mechanic instead. Why is it that politicians get a pass on this?

    Mew

  • aesthete

    Which is one reason that I don’t really dig adulation of any politician, even ones that are doing a relatively good job, or who are on “our side”. The pom-pom brigade makes it difficult to correct them when they do things that go counter to what we want, and obscures record when that is exactly what we should be concentrating on. Paul Ryan, Mitch Daniels, et al are great, but we shouldn’t really trust any of them to the extent where it overrides our ability to critically evaluate legislation on its merits, and not based on who’s supporting it.

  • Flagstaff

    although I don’t want to give anybody an excuse to do less than what is best in the long run.

    I agree with Hillyer. Your argument is a non sequitur. “$100B is simply 25 days of spending” doesn’t square with “The current ?budget? adds $4+B to the debt EVERY DAY.” One of the statements is wrong.

    Neither one proves that a $100 billion cut is reasonable, doable, good in the long run, or not. Nor does anything else you added.

    Considering the tremendous downside of pissing off the non-conservative public by over-reaching and getting replaced by leftists, versus pissing off conservatives by going too slow but continuing to work at it and getting the job done, I’ll let them go for another budget year. If that one isn’t a major improvement, I’ll side with you.

    I’m expecting major progress by this time next year.

    Meanwhile, I see nothing wrong with keeping the pressure on all of them. The furloughs and cutbacks in operations that Hillyer is afraid of? They have to come sooner or later, or at least salary rates have to be cut, and they might as well get started on the reduction. Let’s just say a 2% cut in the top rate for all pay grades each year until government salaries are 5% less than private salaries (military excluded). Eliminate funding to all agencies with the word “endowment” in the title. And let’s use this year to do all the “little, meaningless” symbolic things, then go after bigger bucks next year.

  • Bill S
  • leonidus2010

    Paul Ryan is one of the smartest guys in Washington. He should have been aware of his (and the GOP’s) strengths and weaknesses as well as that of his opponents across the aisle.

    My take is that one of a few things happened here…

    1) He underestimated his opponents like another smart guy GHWB in his “Read my lips” promise that did not go well for him. Which I guess you may get a pass on once if you can admit the failure and learned from it (i.e. won’t let it happen again)

    or

    2) He lied and knew strategically there was no way to reach $100B in cuts without either 51 Rs in the Senate and the WH or 67 Rs in the Senate to overcome veto. He has been in Congress since 1999 for over a decade. Am I to assume he has less than my limited understanding of the legislative process or how the game is play in Washington?

    Am I stupid or naive?

  • acat

    How is someone who said, after the Massachusetts Miracle, that Scott Brown should run for President, significantly different from a Paulbot?

    How is someone who said, after one Chris Christie attack or another on the unions bleeding New Jersey dry, that Chris Christie should be the GOP nominee significantly different from a Paulbot?

    In short, if the theory is that adulation over a politician is bogus, and Paulbots are one identified form of this adulation, then .. is Christie-ism or Brown-ism or .. Palin-ism .. significantly different?

    Mew

  • hoosierteacher

    You wrote that Goproud was “pro-life” in another comment thread. I found several statements by Barron to conflict with your assertion, but then Erickson put up this great link in one of his latest front page posts.

    http://www.gaypatriot.net/2005/11/16/breaking-news-log-cabin-loses-political-director-to-planned-parenthood/

    Care to explain?

  • Flagstaff
  • Flagstaff

    I see you support Donald Trump for President.

  • Flagstaff

    I understand it has more impact than an email message, too.

  • Flagstaff

    Without the base numbers, I can’t be specific in my comment here. Ryan’s argument may be perfectly reasonable based on its arithmetic, or it may not be, but it may also be reasonable based on the expectations of what could happen in November 2012 if the ax falls on a popular ox’s neck.

    The saving grace can be in amendments offered from the House that eliminate things like CPB and NEH and NEA. This is NOT the time to try to eliminate the DOE. That would give Obama a righteous pedestal from which to veto the CR, shut down National Parks and food stamps, and blame it on the Republicans’ “wildly unreasonable budget.”

    Let’s not do the Democrats’ work for them; they already have the NYT to help.

    http://www.nytimes.com/2011/02/04/us/politics/04budget.html

    “After clamoring loudly about their plans to curtail federal spending, House Republicans announced Thursday that they would cut $32 billion for the remainder of the fiscal year ? a minuscule amount compared with a projected annual deficit of nearly $1.5 trillion.

    The Republican proposal is effectively $58 billion less than the domestic and foreign aid programs in President Obama?s budget request for 2011 ? far short of the $100 billion in cuts that Representative John A. Boehner promised before the November elections that catapulted Republicans into the House majority and made him the speaker….

    But at a background briefing, Republican leadership and Budget Committee staff members struggled to explain the seeming timidity of the cuts, given the boldness of their party?s rhetoric.”

    That is the NYT spin. The ‘Pub leadership spin (from the same article) is

    “?Chairman Ryan?s gavel is not a magic wand which can enact all the things he would like to do,? one aide said. ?This is restoring some sanity to a broken budget process.?

    Committee aides urged reporters not to measure the $100 billion goal against the annual spending levels assumed in the current stopgap measure, but rather against Mr. Obama?s overall budget request, including security-related spending.

    Compared with Mr. Obama?s request, overall spending would be reduced by $74 billion, the Republican aides said.”

    Think Progress also agrees that Republicans are just plain bad, and weasels to boot:

    http://thinkprogress.org/2011/01/06/100-videos/

    Maybe Ryan is being forced by reality to adjust the target (or “move the goal posts” as Think Progress likes to say), but is it bad enough that we should help our opponents (or “enemies” as Obama likes to call us)? Some of us sound like far lefties who think Obama should be impeached because he didn’t close Gitmo two years ago.

    Or, maybe he’s just being realistic–we SHOULD be looking at this as a calendar- or fiscal-year promise. He still sounds good to me.

    http://video.foxnews.com/v/4348100/rep-paul-ryans-pledge-to-america-promise/

    At base, we elected these people because we trusted them more than we trusted Democrats. Let them give it their best shot for a year. We’ll have plenty of time after that to remove them.

  • Flagstaff

    Maybe I’m the stupid one.

  • http://908StraightSt.wordpress.com/ mbecker908

    It was intended to point out that $100B is a piddling amount given the current size of the Federal budget.

    Neither one proves that a $100 billion cut is reasonable, doable, good in the long run, or not. Nor does anything else you added.

    Give me a freaking break. “Reasonable”? “Doable”?? “Good in the long run”???

    If $100B is unreasonable, not doable or not good in the long run we have problems. In fact, we should be looking at making cuts about ten times that size. If we can’t manage a cut that is on the order of adjusting your kid’s allowance then the idea of fiscal conservatism is dead and gone.

  • aesthete
  • acat

    100,000 e-mail
    1,000 identical postcards
    100 uniquely phrased pieces of snail mail.

    Seriously.

    Mew

  • leonidus2010

    I am uncommitted at this point but I like the fact that he understands the Chinese government is our enemy NOT our friends and the OPEC and the Saudis are NOT our friends either and he IS the only candidate that even mentioned getting tough with India on FAIR TRADE as well.

    My estimation is that he 1) has the testicular fortitude and 2) the ability to stand up to the Chinese etc

    I could be wrong he could be lieing and full of (excriment) like everyone else in DC which takes us back the the current topic of promising $100B in cuts then proposing $32B in cuts and calling it a victory. If so it woulnt be the first time a Presidential Candidate or Congressional Candidtate for that matter lied to us and mislead us on what their agenda would be either in the primaries to the general or after elected etc. My gut instinct is that Trump is not likely to be another wishy washy flip flopper who changes their policy positions every election based on polling data. He is probably the only candidate that doens’t really NEED the job he has plenty of money already and he doesn’t need to pander to lobbysists to beg for money in exchange for compromised legislation or spending to keep their support.

    I’m a realist. I don’t care much for the guy pesonally but he might be the right person for the job this time around depending on where the economy is next year. My concern is making sure America stays #1 and fixes unemployment and deficits at this point these seem to be the biggest problems that to need to be resolved.

  • kestrel

    about your saying ?difficult to correct them when they do things that go counter to what we want.? You’ll put ‘em in line, won’t you, Aesthete? As for ?critically evaluate legislation on its merits? — we don’t know why Ryan only cut $32B. Or did I miss something? Sometimes the best guide we have for evaluating something is who is doing it or who is for or against it. You are doing me an injustice if you are implying that this is the only way I make decisions. Btw, you forgot to call me absurd.

  • Flagstaff

    the ‘Pubs are going to come up with the $100 billion. That’s great.

    I just don’t see any point in public quibbling over whether the cuts were meant to come in the current fiscal year, calendar year, or the coming budget. Ranting that if they don’t do it as part of the continuing resolution they deserve to be thrown out is ridiculous. We should be ranting that Obama couldn’t even get close to HIS OWN SOTU target, not that our guys have semantic problems (before anything is even up for a vote).

    Give you a break? Give Ryan a break. And give the freshmen credit. And recognize that it’s important to regard them all as part of a unit, not separate factions trying to grab power or tear the party apart.

    Give me a break. “?Reasonable?? ?Doable??? ?Good in the long run????” Why do you imply those aren’t important considerations?

    I heard Greta VS ask one of us, “Why not just get behind the Deficit Reduction Commission’s recommendations?” since Obama was ignoring them. Should we do that? Or should we not consider what is reasonable, doable, and good in the long run? (Some of which is indeed in that report, which I didn’t much like at first.)

    But I also believe that just a little bit of “reasonableness” goes a mighty long way. It is easily overdone. We’ve had way too much of it in the past, when it was used as a disguise for capitulation.

  • Common_Cents

    They need to play the expectations game better.

    1. Under promise
    2. Over deliver

    They got gamed by the MSM who should be treated as hostiles. If the R leadership floated the 100B number initially and couldnt get it done they lose the credibility and the MSM is all too happy to spread the word. It’s a “read my lips” moment.

  • http://theminorityreportblog.com Repair_Man_Jack

    It seems that your Caps Lock key has gotten stuck in a manner reminiscent to how Ray LaHood claimed the accelerators on the 2010 Toyota Prius behaved. Please see tot his difficulty sot hat your future postings will appear more articulate and easier to read.

  • Common_Cents

    I’m sure you’ve done all you can by reading everything ColdWarrior wrote and have become a precinct committeeman to change the party for the better?

    So you stating here that you aren’t going to cancel out a vote for Obama next election?

    Would you not eat again forever if food prices go up, just to punish the food industry?

  • earlgrey

    that is only half way supportive of your efforts to save the country from the other nutcase liberal party. Maybe he just doesn’t have the kind of courage it takes to join the rank and file conservative activists.

    We can’t ask our leaders to be bold while we are content to be wallflowers..

  • Brian Hibbert

    to change themselves. This guy could actually get involved in the party and MOVE it to the right. Instead he’s threatening to take his ball and go home, thus allowing the Dems to make things worse.

  • earlgrey

    politicos and businessman in my efforts. It is great for networking. It was pretty cool when I went to a chamber of commerce lunch with some work colleagues and I could introduce them to one of the staffer’s from my local Senate office who has met me, emailed me and spoken with me by phone before. I can’t say that I will be supporting the Senator himself when his primary comes, but there are some rewards to getting off your chair.

  • Brian Hibbert

    and they know me by name as well. This includes the city councils, county board, sheriff, several judges, and several state reps.

    I don’t abuse the relationship or bug them over every issue, but they’ll listen to me when I have something I REALLY want to discuss with them. More important, I’ve discovered what type of people they really are and most I will fight for (and have). A few I’ve discovered don’t live up to their public persona. Others I’ve discovered are far better than the media portrays.

  • Flagstaff

    given the current size of the Federal budget.”

    I don’t disagree with that. Nope. Not at all. They should do it. You were right. They’ll need to get rid of a lot more in the next budget.

  • Flagstaff

    Nobody should be under the mistaken impression that Fox News is a friendly face for Republicans, either. They want to catch a slip of the tongue just like the alphabets do.

    A 33-year-old Republican Illinois congressman was being interviewed by Stuart Varney today. The CC mentioned how his campaign opponent used out of context everything the CC said, as a bludgeon to try to beat him. So he, like all ‘Pubs, was being very careful what he said.

    After a few minutes of blathering by SV, Stuart asked, “Will you support privatization of Social Security since it is so important to make it solvent?” The CC didn’t fall into the trap, neatly pointing out that although Obama mentioned SS during the SOTU he hadn’t taken any lead on the matter. A “Yes” there would have been archived by Illinois Dem’s for use in 2012.

  • http://www.examiner.com/x-1597-Charlotte-Law--Politics-Examiner Mike gamecock DeVine

    hundred billion…

    The $100 was the pledge and its good that the tea partiers objected to the pro rata $58B, but even $200B is puny.

    And I agree with Sen Conrad’s statement that it would be better to take on entitlements BEFORE a financial collapse and i for one think that if we compromise with Obama it will mean that the tea partier wave election was betrayed and will precipitate a collapse.

    I think the only course that can save the country is a preemptive selective shutdown strategy that prepares Americans for Obama’s veto. I wrote on that in detail weeks ago.

    I’m glad Ryan &Co are now going to go after entitlements some in April, but the real showdown is coming in March and we need to prepare the people for the starve the children and park rangers rhetoric NOW.

    Obama is handing us the issues but we have to take them and run with them.

  • http://www.examiner.com/x-1597-Charlotte-Law--Politics-Examiner Mike gamecock DeVine

    approach, we will betray the wave election and precipitate another financial meltdown:

    http://www.hughhewitt.com/blog/g/69556127-42c4-4e91-93e3-6c4c86035ef0

    http://www.redstate.com/gamecock/2011/01/17/selective-shut-down-strategy-better-than-debt-ceiling-bluff/

    We can elect all tea partiers, but if we haven’t the courage each and every day of each and every term and vote, we will not save America from the abyss.

  • Flagstaff

    Otherwise, you can’t run with it. We DO have an opportunity this year. Our goal should be to keep that door open.

    The Dem’s will be short for “the Demagogues,” for sure, but we do need to charge ahead. Obama’s presser this morning should have been reported as a disaster for him. He was self-contradictory and quite plainly lied about the budget and the deficit. But the government approved press will let that go.

    I think enough folks pay attention that the old “we’ll have to close the Grand Canyon” will fall on deaf ears.

    Cut the right programs, and we will understand some inconveniences.

    The VERY FIRST THING the Republicans should do is accept COMPLETELY all the REAL cuts that Obama has put forward. Say, “Yes, sir, Mr. President, we agree. We’re with you on those cuts. We’ll be back to make them bigger soon.”

    Then eliminate any tax increases. Use the Reagan model, but reduce spending instead of increasing it. The Deficit Reduction Commission had SOME good ideas. Use them. Start with a tax reduction to a top rate below 30%.

    I’m on Social Security. Cut COLA down or out. Raise the retirement date slowly, as was done before I retired. Recognize that the only way to make it work is to either take in more, pay out less, or let the money that is taken in grow someplace other than in government bonds. Once all the payments are being made from the new money coming in, it’s a classic Ponzi scheme that can’t continue to work for long as long as there are more recipients than contributors.

  • Common_Cents

    Running my old company I had to come up with compensation/incentive plans to motivate and line up employees with company goals. This should also happen with government employees and congress.

    We have a big problem in government in this area. There are not enough incentives for the ‘elected elite’ to be aligned with America. Along with lack of accountability.

    There should be punishment for deficits and rewards for surpluses.

  • http://www.examiner.com/x-1597-Charlotte-Law--Politics-Examiner Mike gamecock DeVine
  • Flagstaff

    http://www.azcentral.com/arizonarepublic/opinions/articles/2011/01/16/20110116robb16.html

    Robert Robb, the best op-ed writer on the Republic, wrote about Obama’s inadequate spending “reductions.”

    “The federal government will reach the legal limit of its borrowing capacity this spring. I used to think that playing games with increasing the debt limit would be a serious mistake. Now I’m not so sure.

    It may be that trouble with the credit markets is the only thing that will shake Washington, and particularly Obama, out of the current torpor.”

    That more or less agrees with you in spirit.

  • http://www.examiner.com/x-1597-Charlotte-Law--Politics-Examiner Mike gamecock DeVine

    would probably not care and would welcome a default on credit he could blame the GOP on. I don’t favor playing chicken on the debt ceiling.

    see here

    http://www.redstate.com/gamecock/2011/01/17/selective-shut-down-strategy-better-than-debt-ceiling-bluff/

  • kestrel

    You won, and I’m happy that you did!