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By: Erick Erickson (Diary)  |  February 11th, 2011 at 12:01 AM  | 

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From: John T. Harris
Subject: Conservative????????????????
Date: February 10, 2011 8:10:41 PM EST
To: contact@redstate.com

No sir, You are no conservative.

You are a statist quisling. You are a MORAN statist quisling. The youth laugh at you.

Ron Paul is the ONLY conservative.

Thank you and may God have mercy on your war-mongering soul.

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  • Vannek

    I used to worry that the Palinistas would be the faction to split the Republican Party. Now, I’m more worried about Paulinistas.

  • http://jhpruitt.blogtownhall.com/ kipling

    I have never worked about Palin supporters splintering the party if she is not the nominee. It just does not seem to be her or their style.

    Paul and his supporters are becoming the face of CPAC and will attempt to either hijack the party or split it.

  • http://jhpruitt.blogtownhall.com/ kipling

    I have never worked about Palin supporters splintering the party if she is not the nominee. It just does not seem to be her or their style.

    Paul and his supporters are becoming the face of CPAC and will attempt to either hijack the party or split it.

  • http://908StraightSt.wordpress.com/ mbecker908

    aren’t Republicans and typically don’t support the ticket. No big deal.

  • paulkib

    They need to just call it LPAC and be done with it.

  • EagleWatcher

    Neither Ron or his son Rand “let’s cut support for Israel” Paul will ever be president. We can all sleep soundly tonight knowing we are safe.

  • Adjoran

    The Paulbots are loud and annoying, but seldom vote for Republicans on the rare occasions they actually make it to the polls.

  • EMT907

    if Heritage et. al. ran away some more?

    It seems to me that there’s always somebody who’s going to “split” the party. Yesterday it was the icky gays (who are really liberals, despite no evidence) and today it’s the Ronulans (again). Are we THAT insecure that everybody who doesn’t march in lock step is a threat that will “hijack” or “splinter” the party?

    ICYMI, the liberal blogs are keen to report that the GOProud/CPAC kerfuffle is “splitting” the party too. Why are the talking points the same?

  • mikebergsma

    The Paulistas are naked hostile to the Republican party in my county and even took the party leadership to court in a nonsense lawsuit. They lost, but it cost a lot of money and agrevation to deal with it. The democrats loved it.

  • http://rhymeswithright.mu.nu Rhymes With Right

    that those who object to the inclusion of GOProud at CPAC are more than willing to include the corrosive followers of Ron Paul at the event. The email above is simply one more example of the sorts of problems we see from them time and again — and merely highlights the sort of programmed, cult-like obsessiveness of the PaulBots.– http://rhymeswithright.mu.nu/archives/250125.php

  • The_Gadfly

    If they had enough members in the party to split it, they would have done so by now.

  • http://908StraightSt.wordpress.com/ mbecker908

    Them not voting for Republicans isn’t.

    Boehner and the House Leadership should have given Ron Paul his walking papers.

  • The_Gadfly

    Paulbots get booted from this site as soon as they show themselves to be Paulbots, the same is not true of GOProud.

    Now lets stay on topic instead of opening a can of worms that has a real chance of closing the thread.

  • EMT907

    know of at least one GOProud supporter who says he was booted from RS for his dissent. I read some comments, yesterday, from folks who believe we should be booted. I fear it won’t be long before RS will only be open to a select few “pure” conservatives and RS will devolve to the same level that LGF has.

  • NRPax

    You know that you’re about to get verbally caned when the sender uses more than one punctuation mark to get his point across. And then he throws more sodium into the water by talking about the youth laughing at you.

    Time to hang it up and vote for Luap Nor at this point I guess.

  • http://www.nighttwister.com NightTwister

    RS has weathered controversy much great than this current storm. It continues to grow. You know it’s more influential and relevant than anything you have going too, or you wouldn’t be here.

  • e_rowe

    You have as much basis for thinking it came from a Ron Paul supporter as you do for thinking that about the poets who post replies here that mimic chant Ron Paul.

  • pauly1620

    “Moran” is a common meme on Fark. I wouldn’t be surprised if the originator of this particular email is a regular on that site. Not to mention, they do tend to lean heavily left and have a weird fascination with Ron Paul.

  • http://www.nighttwister.com NightTwister

    The Cult of Farts

    The wind blowing from both smells the same.

  • Read Chesterton
  • barry915barry

    of that wonderfully delightful Sesame Street Song:

    “One of these things”

    1. Idiot
    2. Idiot
    3. e_rowe
    4. Rational Thought.

    My apologies after the fact to Erick. And to Moe, Neil, Streiff, etc. Barry

  • blooch

    That, plus the whole “Get a Brain, Morans!” thing.

  • http://www.thejoyofreason.com Greg Garrison

    Any Paulistinian who wants to attend CPAC is forced to sit through one and pass a test afterward. Those who make the grade will then be directed to the lectures “Maybe a year or two: The lifespan of an anarchic society”, “Why America is not an Evil Empire”, and “Loons and why most people write them off”. Participants may choose between taking two of the three courses or receiving a free, hour-long consultation with a cult deprogrammer.

  • Scope

    I’ve been reading articles about the rudeness of the Paulies at CPAC. I understand some of them attended the Rumsfeld/Cheney reunion speech, and booed and shouted rude things-

    http://tmdc,talkingpointsmemo.com/2011/02/paul-supporters-hijack-cheney-rumsfeld-reunion.php

    From another article I read, they also attended the Donald Trump speech. After becoming frustrated with the rudness of the Paulies, he said that he had a message for them, that Ron Paul had no chance of being elected president in 2012. They erupted.

    http://cubachi.com/2011/02/10/trump-by-the-way-ron-paul-cannot-get-elected/

    From the first article, one of the paulies said that half of everyone there were Ron Paul supporters, and that they are loud. I’m not there, but, I would believe both statements to be true, which is another big reason many are not attending, and will most likely go elsewhere next year.

  • Scope

    is banning “Paulbots” any longer. I think that was part of the new tone here at the site.

  • chihank

    The Ronulans are acting rude at CPAC. If they acted this way last year, then Rand Paul would not have won the primary. With father and son in Congress, the Ronulans feel free to “turn off the cloaking device” and let their true selves come out.

  • http://www.thejoyofreason.com Greg Garrison
  • Finrod

    Who gave Grima Wormtongue an email account?

  • chihank

    Gary Johnson, former NM Governor, is running for President. He has the similar Libertarian ideas as Ron Paul. Johnson is for legaliziing drugs. Should Ron Paul decline to run for President, will the Ronulans become Johnsonites?

  • http://theminorityreportblog.com Repair_Man_Jack

    That’s the only way I can describe Laup Nor’s vastly ineluctible zombie-mob of followers.

  • Scope

    http://tpmdc.talkingpointsmemo.com/2011/02/paul-supporters-hijack-cheney-rumsfeld-reunion.php

    That should work.

  • Scope

    the new talking point as Palin recently made similar statements on Fox Business Network. It’s unclear just what aid she would cut for what country. As usual she wasn’t specific.

    http://thehill.com/blogs/blog-briefing-room/news/143433-palin-pull-back-foreign-aid

  • e_rowe

    Thanks.

  • http://www.thejoyofreason.com Greg Garrison

    This part is great:

    Bradfield said the moment showed that “half” of CPAC this year is libertarian, which means his side is winning in the civil war between “libertarians and right-wing conservatives.”

    “We’re loud,” he said.

    “We’re loud.” Like that’s a good thing. Hopefully that quote was taken out of context.

  • http://www.thejoyofreason.com Greg Garrison

    This part is great:

    Bradfield said the moment showed that “half” of CPAC this year is libertarian, which means his side is winning in the civil war between “libertarians and right-wing conservatives.”

    “We’re loud,” he said.

    “We’re loud.” Like that’s a good thing. Hopefully that quote was taken out of context.

  • barry915barry

    I do not really have an opinion on them as a group.

    My comments, in as much as they constitute a violation of RS rules, are directed at you, directly. Your arguments for nullification, and by extension disavowing the numerous SCOTUS rulings on the topic, and your inability to actually READ the above post are the basis for my responses.

    Where the e-mailer states “Ron Paul is the ONLY conservative.” That kind of cuts your argument off at the knees that there is no “…basis for thinking it came from a Ron Paul supporter…” BTW, there was NO COMMENTARY by Erick, suggesting that or anything else for that matter. He simply posted the letter.

    Again, my responses are to YOUR posted comments. While I personally think that the fed. govt. has gone way overboard in recent years, nullification and those that support it are in the same proverbial pot. And IMHO, should be addressed accordingly. Barry

  • http://www.thejoyofreason.com Greg Garrison

    I originally wrote, “Any Paulistinian or scientologist…” but didn’t feel like picking on scientologists today, plus everything after the critical thinking lecture/seminar is a must-attend for participants in the, ahem, r3VOLution.

  • Bill S

    I can assure you of it. It is a real email, received at the RS Contact email address.

    Furthermore, based on past behavior of the Ronulans, we have no reason to believe it isn’t from an honest-to-goodness Paul supporter.

    And following this little stunt by a Ronulan, I’m not sure how anyone can deny that such extreme views exist amongst the Paulies.

  • http://theminorityreportblog.com Repair_Man_Jack

    Their liturgies just have to sound better than.

    RONPAULRONPAULRONPAULRONPAULRONPAUL!!!!

    I wonder if that would somehow become more poetic in Latin?

  • EcH90

    Honestly, these guys have me thinking that if your first thought in dealing with someone is to call them a warmonger (or, for that matter, war criminal), then there is another major party which is probably more suited to your worldview.

  • rightwingmom52
  • Bill S
  • powertothepeople

    is a fine example of why we, CPAC, and all conservative groups need to be quite careful in who who we allow to attend these meetings. Being ‘republican” does not mean you are conservative nor does it mean we want you associating with us as one of us. No one has a right to attend as it is a private event. It would be hard to completely control who walks through the door, but the moment we hear the name of Ron Paul, his ideas, or expressed support for him they should be ushered to the nearest exit and tossed out similar to how Will’s friend was tossed out of the mansion in The Fresh Prince of Bel Air.

    Ron Paul should be stripped of all possible responsibilities, his followers need to be banned from all events, and we need to confront these idiots at every chance. They are a blight on our party, our cause, and our country.

  • e_rowe

    I just meant that whoever wrote it was being satirical. That’s the kind of Ron Paul caricature that I’m used to seeing from people here on Redstate who love to spoof Ron Paul supporters, but that I’m not at all used to seeing from the Ron Paul supporters I actually know.

    Could it be real? Sure. But I certainly don’t take for granted that it is.

  • powertothepeople
  • http://www.thejoyofreason.com Greg Garrison

    The letter doesn’t contain anything about how only gold is real money, how the Fed gives AIDS to homeless babies, how Dick Cheney is a warmongeringmeanine, how the military-industrial complex is to blame for the recent swath of dying birds, how NAFTA has led to an increase in malignant hemorrhoids, how nullification is the ConstitUtional preScripTion for unwanted laws, or how Murray Rothbard was sane.

  • Finrod

    .

  • e_rowe

    As for my choosing to disagree with some SCOTUS rulings, I wasn’t aware that going along with the Supreme Court’s interpretation of the Constitution was a mark of conservatism. If it is, you’re right that I come from a different perspective. In 2005 most Republicans in Congress also took a less deferential view of SCOTUS when they sponsored a John Hostettler-authored amendment to a bill that withheld funding from any enforcement of the court ruling to remove the 10 commandments from Roy Moore’s court. Granted, most of them haven’t shown the same chutzpa since then (Ron Paul being one of the exceptions). Is that because they were all being idiots?

    Right now the majority of the Republicans in the Republican-controlled Idaho legislature, along with their conservative Republican governor, Butch Otter, support nullifying Obamacare in their state. I say, more power to them. And I bet a lot of Redstaters agree with me on that, notwithstanding the fact that it will make you think they’re idiots.

  • e_rowe

    You are right that Redstaters who spoof Ron Paul supporters have a tendency to repeat the same lines over and over and that some of those lines are not in that email. It’s possible that the email’s author was less inclined toward unoriginal repetition of those motifs than such examples as I’ve seen here. But I confess, all things considered, that is a point in favor of the email’s genuineness.

  • jmimac351

    Now I have that song in my head.

  • glaucon

    That’s interesting. Never heard of Fark, but that spelling of “moran” was a little weird. Leftist comedians trying to divide and conquer, splitting up potential conservative allies?

  • barry915barry

    I am not questioning your conservative bona fides,e_rowe. As a matter of fact, I am not commenting on them at all. I am commenting on posts in which you argue a point w/out much supporting evidence.

    Your support/disagreement with SCOTUS on any given topic, well, that is fine. However, if you want to use an argument in support of a topic that the Constitution speaks on, and it is not IN the Constitution, I respectfully suggest that said argument could be reasonably considered extraneous. That is my position on nullification. I hold that position for other here at RS too. If you wish to point to a specific intra-document argument, I am happy to discuss it. (Even Jefferson and Madison had limited success with their nullification arguments).

    While I am not aware of the Hostettler bill you mentioned (I am familiar with the Judge Moore saga), I am aware of what is going on in Idaho. While I believe that PPACA was a gross over reach, and the Dem. motives for passing it were disingenuous (I believe their argument of Com. Clause support for the individual mandate is w/out merit), I do not support the legal argument put forth in Idaho. I believe it will be ineffectual. I believe it lacks constitutional merit. For me, it is just to big of a jump to suggest that what is NOT in the Constitution is what the Constitution really means, when it says the opposite.

    I will leave it for others here at RS, and their good judgment as to whether or not a faux letter needs to be sent to RS, just to make Ron Paul supporters look bad. I do see that down thread you do acknowledge the letters potential genuineness.
    Barry

  • glaucon

    Checked out Fark.com. Seems to mostly be a listing of News stories with a witty comment on each. Noticed under the heading of “Media Friends” they had Keith Olbermann. Perhaps he is humoring himself these days on the internet (with his new found spare time).

  • The_Gadfly

    If he was booted, his profile information will indicate it. Please report back after you’ve finished checking.

    Oh, and I find it hard to believe that Moe would continue to moderate if ANY other moderator tossed someone simply because that person was a GOProud supporter. You won’t find a more consistent, prominent, and vocal conservative voice against DADT and for full-fledged gay marriage on this site. I disagree with him on the issues, but respect his voice in the debate.

  • JadedByPolitics

    how absolutely pathetic these RonPaul quislings are, they cannot even get out their spellcheck before they huffily send off a missive to deride you….absolute idiots!