Comments on: Make the Payroll Tax Cuts Permanent

By: sgtcajones

sgtcajones — Tue, 06 Dec 2011 14:54:55 +0000

and Medicare/caid how do we continue to pay for them?

I see this as the ultimate move to redistribute wealth. Unlesss we reform SS and Medicare/aid, they still have to be paid for only now a substantial portion of those who will benefit will no longer be paying for these benefits if the tax cut is made permanent.

Progressives will no doubt want to pile even more taxes on the makers so the takers can have their benefits.

Republicans just want the tax cut to be paid for with other cuts; I agree.

By: texasref

texasref — Fri, 02 Dec 2011 05:27:34 +0000

Hurry up and run for Congress already

By: drfredc

drfredc — Fri, 02 Dec 2011 05:16:42 +0000

I suppose if the ultimate goal is to make Medicare and SS go bankrupt sooner, then by all means make the payroll tax cut permanent. Why stop there? Just do away with it all together and pay for SS and Medicare out of the general fund, which is pretty much the direction we’re going anyways.

Alternatively, one might take a modestly more sane approach. Allow those who wish to take the payroll tax cuts to fund their own HSA and Retirement plans with that money. Sure, SS & Medicare will still end up broke, being paid out of the general fund. However, as time passes more and more of the population might have their own HSA and retirement plans so they can get by without taxpayer entitlement supports.

Just saying — if it’s a crisis, take advantage of it, don’t just bend over and take it like the LOSERship…

By: lastgopinillinois

lastgopinillinois — Fri, 02 Dec 2011 02:22:30 +0000

The democrats ALSO want to increase TAXES on the wealthy along with the payroll tax cuts as an offset. That is why the Republicans are backing off.

By: hitthedeck

hitthedeck — Thu, 01 Dec 2011 23:56:16 +0000

This guy is probably a government employee! They can stay home and collect unemployment without a creditable excuse to report for work. Mainly because they wouldn’t be missed anyway. The government work force today is so inflated that fifty percent of government could stay home and the other fifty would finally have enough work to fill an eight hour day.

By: geoph

geoph — Thu, 01 Dec 2011 22:42:27 +0000

This is what I was told, it doesn’t matter that those FICA taxes are not collected even though (in theory) they are what fund SS. Any shortfall from decreased collections are just made up through increased borrowing.

As this still makes no sense to me and fails the smell test – I accepted it as Washington policy.

By: jussmartenuf

jussmartenuf — Thu, 01 Dec 2011 22:11:59 +0000

The reason he is hated by the gop establishment dislikes him is because he is dumb as a rock. A birther who doen not even understand you must be a US citizen to be president. He is a gamer himself.
You are the reason daveinsanantonio above is so frustrated.

By: swamphermit

swamphermit — Thu, 01 Dec 2011 16:48:51 +0000

Good ideas! Make them permanent, and somehow use it to promote privatization. Remind them that ‘W’ wanted something like this back in 04-05 and then thank them for finally coming around.

By: carolynr

carolynr — Thu, 01 Dec 2011 16:27:05 +0000

What about all those people on SS…do we create another sub-set of welfare…and the taxpayers bite that? What do we say about all those people that paid into it? While many are outliving the paid in portion…what about those that have not? WHY NOT FIX THE THING NOW…and stop the BS. At least give the people nearing retirement a chance to save. For those on it…what do we have…the new financial death panels?

Perry had a plan…Ryan had a plan…and nobody … including the TPM is opening their mouths. If we do not fix this now…NOBODY will have anything. Yet…everyone is an expert. Yes, I have saved money, yes, hopefully the pension will continue if the private company is not bankrupted by Obama along with all of them. However…should I tell hubby with a heart condition…it’s time for both of us to go back to work…and if you die in the meantime…well, we don’t have to worry about it…we’ll be dead. I know this sounds like whining…and we are in much better shape than others…but what about ALL these people who have failed to save anything because they believed the BS in DC? What about all those people who lost 3/4 of their savings in the stock market/Tarp thing. They saved…and they are afraid of the NYSE because they don’t trust anyone.

So…yeh…I would be one of those people, if I were in my 30′s or 40′s saying…do away with it. But…no matter how you slice it…in fact…IF YOU SLICE IT (SS)…then you are still paying out to keep these people going through food stamps and assistance. The houses they own…they have to sell…and there is no market for it…so there is nothing. Does anyone see that this thing needs to be fixed for ALL GENERATIONS…yet all I hear out of the Dims…I meant to spell it that way…is we won’t take your SS away. Why…they want the elderly vote. FIX THE BLANKY…BLANKY THING NOW. BTW…Who has the plan for that…the policy…Perry…but we better vote on debate performance rather than our future.

By: cbartlett

cbartlett — Thu, 01 Dec 2011 16:21:26 +0000

about Louie Gohmert in East Texas. He and Ted Poe and a handful of others in the House are the ONLY ones who are holding the conservative line. Louie may sound a little hick sometimes because of his accent, but the man is extremely smart, educated and pretty much hated by most of the GOP establishment in Washington because he consistently fights them when they get progressive. He (like Rick Perry) advocates taking responsibility & power away from the federal goverment and get it back to the states. He has been overlooked for leadership positions on committees simply because he refuses to play the games. He was chosen to give a speech to encourage the new Tea Party freshmen class elected in 2010 because he is one of the few that shares their values. Louie is the one Republican that I WILL vote for again. All of the others are going to have to prove their conservativism to me.

By: acat

acat — Thu, 01 Dec 2011 15:58:18 +0000

it will force some ugly truths about social security and medicare out into the open sooner.

Cut the payroll tax!

Mew

By: Neil Stevens

Neil Stevens — Thu, 01 Dec 2011 15:49:08 +0000

It was such a help for me this year, as it also cut the abominable Self Employment Tax. Make it permanent.

By: hitthedeck

hitthedeck — Thu, 01 Dec 2011 15:31:45 +0000

Justnotsmartenuf-sounds like you are hating to much and not thinking! Better start voting for people that can do thinking for you, but don’t vote for a politician.

By: hitthedeck

hitthedeck — Thu, 01 Dec 2011 15:14:20 +0000

If America falls for the Democrats baiting of reduced payroll tax it will be another con. They won?t tell you that social security is six trillion in the hole and this cut will only increase the down fall of social security. This move is merely a move to soften up the impact of the Obama care premiums that will out price the payroll deductions in the long run. The Democrats will probably merge social security in with the Obama care later on so they can put the bite on seniors for more Obama care deductions. Payroll taxes are for people that have a job and they are not complaining about paying as long as they can work. This is another dollars for votes gimmick.

By: darl444

darl444 — Thu, 01 Dec 2011 14:54:07 +0000

it will all lead to increasing the “Tax the Rich” campaign, since there will be even less revenue going in the “SS fund”, and will further the demand. It clear the Democrats have no math skills, especially to balance the federal budget. Just another scheme to buy the votes.

By: cwfoster

cwfoster — Thu, 01 Dec 2011 14:09:24 +0000

During a stint of unemployment befoe finding my current job a couple of years ago (for the record, it was 2009, and I was unemployed from May16-July 27, amazing what you can do if you are motivated, and put as few restrictions on where and what you’re willing to do as possible) I overheard this exchange between two people outside the Virginia Employment Commission brach where I was living then.

“Hey, you looking for a job?”
“”Not really one I’d actually get hired for, just getting enough applications in to keep my checks coming”

So the key is, if you want to sit around and draw unemployment, just keep applying for jobs you know you either aren’t qualified for, or only marginally qualified for. Or state as a desired salary a high enough figure that they wont consider you because you’re unrealistic. There ARE enough people out there who WANT a job that there are a million ways to shoot yourself in the foot, and remain on the unemployment rolls from the self inflicted wound, and not run afoul of the active hunt requirements.

On the minus side, my current employer is looking to shed 400-600 Jobs by the end of January (Defense Contractor), and as I am in a union represented position (don’t throw stones, it’s not a Right to Work State) and I am #7 from the bottom of the seniority list, I’m sweating hard.

By: sadams

sadams — Thu, 01 Dec 2011 13:43:55 +0000

Where do you stand on the payroll tax cut. Do you agree with the President, or with Bernie Sanders?

By: supergirl2911

supergirl2911 — Thu, 01 Dec 2011 13:20:03 +0000

Really like the succinctness of repubs only going to stand on principle on suicide missions. Loved it! We should I think be the party of common sense. Maybe I’m wrong.

By: geoph

geoph — Thu, 01 Dec 2011 13:16:48 +0000

But all expiring tax cuts permanent.
Probably too much to ask for a permanent solution to the Doc Fix, but both are winners for the GOP.

The way the Dems can play the Republicans’ reflex response is downright Pavlovian.

By: geoph

geoph — Thu, 01 Dec 2011 13:15:52 +0000

But all expiring tax cuts permanent.
Probably too much to ask for a permanent solution to the Doc Fix, but both are winners for the GOP.

The way the Dems can play the Republicans’ reflex response is downright Pavlovian.