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Being a Presbyterian, I knew this email was coming. It was predestined.

From: m.weichers111@gmail.com
Subject: Erickson
Date: January 25, 2012 12:13:57 AM EST
To: Contact@redstate.com

Erickson is the biggest religious bigot in this country. I am going to expose him to the world. I promise.

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COMMENTS

  • sigmasix

    I enjoy reading Mail Call thread. Can we say another Romney supporter.

    Thank You Sir, keep fighting!

  • bfelger

    …that a Romney win would be Unmerited Election?

    /ba-dum-bum-PSSSSHHH

    Thanks, I’ll be here all week.

  • mikepitzler

    Did you hear about the Presbyterian walking to the next town with his rifle on his shoulder (have to get a second amendment joke in, y’know) who met his neighbor, who asked why he was taking said rifle?
    P: I might meet a bear.
    N: But you believe in predestination. Maybe you’re predestined to die.
    P: Maybe the bear is predestined to die.

    I was wondering what I liked about you, Erick.

  • http://www.ArchitecturalShots.com mdyou

    What were you and Newt doing, Erick?

  • http://www.neoavatara.com/blog neoavatara

    So, were you burning someone in effigy in your back yard or something Erick?

    You should be embarrassed for your religious intolerance./sarcasm.

  • http://www.neoavatara.com/blog neoavatara

    You did this…

    http://boston.cbslocal.com/2012/01/25/head-cut-off-jesus-statue-outside-dorchester-church/

  • Melody Warbington (rwm52)

    Nice marketing.

  • jakeofalltrades
  • wayneinnh

    Sorry, had to do it.

  • Justin Spagnolo (standardcandle)

    As a Mormon…
    I won’t vote for Romney unless he wins the Nomination.

    When you stated yesterday in “We’re Fighting Over Two Guys and Neither Side Thinks the Other Can Win”

    “? not the Democrats, but the media to the extent it can be separated from the Obama Machine ? will spend six months creeping out independent suburban voters about Mormons, holy underwear, Kolob, postmortem baptism, and views on black people…”

    This was a correct observation. I know you weren’t being malicious. I understand that you were mentioning these items as they have been mentioned by the media already.

    I am with you, I think that the media will have some pretty despicable motives in trying to “expose” Mormonism… and it’s nothing that Mormons haven’t dealt with before… However, I think it’s entirely unfair to expect the Republican base to defend Mormonism from any sort of doctrinal stance, let alone acknowledge it as acceptable form of Christianity… Republicans and Democrats just simply aren’t ready for that debate, if they were, it would be a sign of the times.

    For every word breathed about Mormonism as a means to discredit and disqualify Romney for public office, it should be equally noted that it also discredits and disqualifies Harry Reid. End of the argument, but not end of the discussion, because the discussion is really the aim, its all about stirring those emotions, and the Media doesn’t care about their hypocrisy… so as I said before… You are correct.

    Therein lies the problem, to the drive-by Mormon that saw that post… they’re going to be offended at face value, because they’re going to feel misrepresented regarding their very real and deeply devoted personal faith.

    I recognize that your Presbyterian doctrine may differ with my Mormon Doctrine… but generally I think you and I agree on the most important points of doctrine that Christ and his apostles laid out for all of us regarding salvation… and that ought to be more unifying than it is divisive.

    So take it with a grain of salt, the following is meant to point out why there’s some sensitivity… not that you should give a rip, but hey… in the least, someone might read this and perhaps change their perceptions…

    First Mormon “views on black people” is a canard, its divisive to suggest we have ‘views on black people’ that differ from any child of God and their path to salvation. The issue that is brought up is regarding the bestowing of priesthood authority, this was not a doctrinal issue, it was an issue of practice. And the freedom to practice religion freely was something that the United States was perfectly intent on confiscating Mormon properties, and stripping The Church of its non-profit status, as well as dismantling the right to worship how where or what we may…as it was with polygamy. In spite of what some apologists and some antagonists have tried to explain or muddle regarding Priesthood and black people… its no longer an issue is it? So what’s the point of bringing it up other than for the purpose of race baiting?

    It may be somewhat crude to a Mormon to hear the obfuscation of “holy underwear”, as the sacred beliefs associated with the garments that Temple worshiping Mormons wear both within the symbolism of their Faith in Jesus Christ and by their personal covenants made with the Father… you might understand why Mormons, all politics aside, might be sensitive to an off the cuff reference of “holy underwear”.

    “Postmortem Baptism”

    First “postmortem baptism” is incorrect, it implies that we’re digging up graves and throwing embalmed bodies into the water… “Proxy Baptism for the Dead” is much more accurate. Wherein a name is read, and a living person is baptized as a proxy physical body for one that has died. The acceptance of that baptism is still a choice, and nothing in Mormon theology ever suggests that God will force people to accept anything done in their behalf, including the Atonement itself. So the “creepy” business is a little oversold. Then there’s this:
    1 Corinthians 15:29 King James Version
    Else what shall they do which are baptized for the dead, if the dead rise not at all? why are they then baptized for the dead?

    Tell me how any doctor of the bible can parse this without acknowledging that Paul recognized the practice was done among early Christians, and yet, he never condemned it. This is one doctrine that to me shows the relevance of revealed religion in Mormonism, and its claim to a restoration. But I digress, this isn’t a theological debate, is it?

    As for Kolob, again, it’s mentioned in 5 versus in all of our Scripture, what we know, It’s a celestial body in the universe that represents the nearness of Christ to the Father, and one day on Kolob is like unto 1000 years on earth in the revolutions of the celestial body. We really don’t know anything else beyond what we’re told by modern day prophets and apostles, but that hasn’t stopped speculation as to the symbolic meaning.

    The mention of Kolob is really starting in the middle rather than the beginning of our doctrines…you may as well start halfway through Leviticus and ignore Genesis… simply put, one has to recognize the importance of having prophets and apostles ordained with the authority of the priesthood long before having a discussion on the merits of accepting Kolob’s existence as a reality.

    Yes, I’m a Mormon. I don’t think anybody will get to heaven without being baptized by the proper Authority, and that puts me at odds with LOTS of people from a theological standpoint. So what, so be it…

    But in your defense… I must be a bigot too… because I think it is foolish to deny the accuracy of your statement in the context of a political election. The defamation and the mudslinging that will happen with great hypocrisy will not be stopped…

    As Brother Brigham Young said… “The devils don’t kick and cuff their own”… I wouldn’t expect anything less from folks that are desperate to conflate religion with politics for political gain on either side of the aisle.

  • romeg

    I have it on good authority that I am.

  • gracie

    I know I do. I was born and raised one but I am told the religion is too liberal…not pro-life and pro gay marriage.

    I do see some of this in the way our church has evolved so have wondered how you deal with this ever since you mentioned you were one!

    Don’t expect you to get into it here but wow I would love to know.

  • http://www.nighttwister.com NightTwister

    Not the mainline Presbyterian Church USA.

    I’m in the same denomination, and I know of at least one more around here.

  • Bill S

    PCA and PCUSA have little or no resemblance to one another with respect to social issues. I was PCA until very recently (didn’t leave because of theology or social issues) and that church is probably THE most solid, conservative denomination that you’ll find.

  • bobguzzardi

    a well kept secret, indeed.

    Good to know, I thought I was alone.

  • Political Fireball

    When people start to ridicule you your just one step closer to converting them– at least they’re listening! Also you’re obviously doing your job or they wouldn’t waste the time sending you a nasty email!!

  • johnt

    that is, the biggest bigots. But only against all of Christianity, modest anbitions you see. Ah, so Erick has a secret life, but he has a lot of catching up to do.

  • gracie

    I know this is a personal problem I am having but there is only one near me and it’s USA. Problem is…love the ppl and husband very happy there….what a dilemma!

  • jakeofalltrades

    Good to see,

  • Bill S

    …and this applies to the Mailbag post directly…is that the RS contributing editor team and those who have been on the Front Page over the years, is a very, very diverse group. I won’t go into details, but we span the spectrum broadly…and that’s what makes this email all the more ironic and ridiculous.

  • Remington_Steele

    Although I have not posted much during this primary season, I’m still around lurking and I think it’s silly that Erick was called a bigot. Just dumb. It’s people like m.weichers111 who are hyper sensitive to the point of blindness.

    The Romney candibots have made it too tough for even the original group of Romneybots like myself to be listened to, let alone taken seriously. The closest friend those of us that do like Romney have now is Leon and that’s not much. Sorry Leon.

    For the rest of the LDS folks like us that have a wide varying opinions during this primary, it’s good to have a place to share as many conservative principles with those of other faiths that are very tolerant especially since we have many common political goals even if we have divergent takes on religious beliefs. Thanks RS!

    PS, it was enlightening to learn more about Presbyterians and the issues they are concerned about.

  • lineholder

    My mother was raised Pentecostal Holiness. My father was raised Episcopalian back in the days when it was probably the most formal format of worship (next to Catholicism). Major, MAJOR points of conflict between those two denominations.

    They somehow agreed to meet at what they believed was “the middle” and became members of a PCA church. That’s what I was raised in so I’m familiar with the theological positions of this denomination.

  • Remington_Steele

    Justin, I know you’re a Newt, and then probably Santorum before the Mittster and I did not mean to infer otherwise. I know several LDS people that have different horses in this race.

    Even if I’m in the shadows as an original Romneybot, I still appreciate RS and the forum here for conservatives. The water will be warmer here at RS for guys like me later in the year. Now if the candibots would just stop peeing in the pool. Arrg.

  • Justin Spagnolo (standardcandle)

    I’m rooting for Newt, but I’m not backing him yet… I want to see him sharpen his lead, and show that the ebb and flow of our primary process isn’t just kicking and screaming over Romney… I see no benefit in going all in with someone to spite another, until the choice is limited to an ultimatum.

    I’m not convinced Romney will do any worse or better than Newt in the general, and I’m outright rebelling against the “electability” arguments, but neither of them really represent me… and for that I’m willing to do a protest vote in the primary… but when it comes to the general… I’m all in for the nominee.

  • Bill S

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