Comments on: Remember the Democrat Justices of the Florida Supreme Court During Bush v. Gore?

By: fuzzyuno

fuzzyuno — Thu, 14 Jun 2012 01:45:46 +0000

My mother worked the polls in Sarasota County for over 30 years and there was never a problem like this. Cutting through all the legal arguments, my mother said that if a voter didn’t properly complete or fill out a ballot they could get another ballot to ensure their vote counted. That is true in Minnesota also. My concern is that the hanging shads and mismarked ballots should have been considered spoiled ballots. If a voter is not intelligent enough to recognize the error they should not be allowed to vote. I watched the entire process and was dumbfounded by the Florida Supreme Courts rulling/s. They were clearly ruling as patisans and not within the law. Their rulings were absolutely a clear reminder of why Central American leaders and judges are removede from office with a gun shot rather than a ballot to send a message that voters take oaths of office seriously.

By: rsklaroff

rsklaroff — Wed, 13 Jun 2012 23:47:26 +0000

…and the voice-over stated [by sharpton] that ~6000 voters in Miami were disenfranchised.

This would have put Gore over-the-top.

By: JSobieski

JSobieski — Wed, 13 Jun 2012 22:56:32 +0000

It would not have resulted in cleansing of the system.

The administrative aspects of what you describe are monsterous, the opportunities for fraud would be substantial.

Being conservative means in part having a healthy respect for the administrative difficulties in implementing policies.

What you describe would be heaven for lawyers, and hell for everyone else.

By: oldmountainman

oldmountainman — Wed, 13 Jun 2012 12:38:34 +0000

seem to forget or ignore the fact that he was unable to begin forming his administration till 12/13 instead of the normal 11/7. As I recall 12/13 was the day that Gore finally conceded.

By: jayjayson

jayjayson — Tue, 12 Jun 2012 21:36:24 +0000

WOuld now be a point where I could point out that the Civil Rights Act is Unconsitutional? It treats one state different then another so it vioilates the equal protection clause. This is why when a state fights it, the US Governemnt usually backs off. better to have the thought of power tehn have it removed all together.

By: jayjayson

jayjayson — Tue, 12 Jun 2012 21:28:25 +0000

In 2000 I was doing some work for a GOP consultant that was charged to get affidavits from voters in the pan handle. I know that he was not the only one getting the info and at best guess they had over 4000 affidavits. These were people who voted in 6 of the last 7 elections and did not vote in 2000 because they would told by the media that the elction was over. Some of the reasons were that the media wouldn’t call the eclection before the close of the polls, so they thought they had missed the closing of the polls.
The thought for getting the affidavits was to add these votes against any chalenge votes that Gore came up with.

By: Jack_Savage

Jack_Savage — Tue, 12 Jun 2012 21:27:30 +0000

I also lived in Palm Beach County, but left before the 2000 election. Is my recollection correct that the Palm Beach Post included full size copies of the butterfly ballots in the paper before elections, and that they were easily available elsewhere?

Or in other words, wouldn’t you have to be a really stupid bastard not to vote for the right person?

By: Jack_Savage

Jack_Savage — Tue, 12 Jun 2012 21:24:09 +0000

If Gore flips TN, he wins the election 269 electoral votes to 268, and Florida doesn’t matter.

We really dodged a bullet with that blowhard, lying idiot.

By: jayjayson

jayjayson — Tue, 12 Jun 2012 21:08:04 +0000

One thing that is always missed in this is that the national media called FL for Gore an hour before the polls closed. Because of that the state GOP started getting affidavits from people that did not vote in the pan handle becuase of the “mistake” by the media. Those affidavits could not be used until the eletion was Cert-ed and a challenge was placed. Ironiclly if Gore had let the vote be Cert-ed, then challenged it, he could have won a recount or gotten the elcetion thrown out.
But just remember one thing about all US Presidents, No President has ever been elected who did not carry their own state’s electoral votes. Gore lost Tenn by 20 points or more. So it wasn’t FL, it was Tenn that killed his election.

By: rsklaroff

rsklaroff — Tue, 12 Jun 2012 20:57:41 +0000

“[T]he circle next to the Reform party is NOT next to ?Democrat.? It is on the line between Bush and Gore (those on the left).”

That means that the staggered printing [party below name] would allow for someone “voting” for the D’s to actually have registered a vote [on the other side] for Buchanan.

If you can provide the image on the Internet, please reprint the url.

By: kyle8

kyle8 — Tue, 12 Jun 2012 20:52:38 +0000

By: uselogic

uselogic — Tue, 12 Jun 2012 20:11:40 +0000

The press loved old “Walkin’ Lawton” but he did some truly evil things beyond appointing those Florida SC justices.

One of my former staunch Dem buds was in the meeting when Lawton schemed to hold FL school funding hostage just so he could raise multiple taxes. Planned to pull the old “we’ll have to close schools and fire teachers” trick. Luckily, the Republicans ingnored the press, investigated and pointed out that the slimy Lawton was hiding more than half a billion in existing funding.

My college bud switched to the Republican party after getting an upclose-and-personal of Gov. Chiles in action.

By: littlehouse18

littlehouse18 — Tue, 12 Jun 2012 20:10:02 +0000

The only method is to read clear ballots. Anything else is election tampering.

By: rsklaroff

rsklaroff — Tue, 12 Jun 2012 20:07:40 +0000

….i’m “over it” but the record should be as accurate as possible.

When all recounts are accomplished by using the same criteria, the results won’t change; if new/updated/uniform criteria had been employed, the results could have been different.

By: rsklaroff

rsklaroff — Tue, 12 Jun 2012 20:05:59 +0000

…was the fact that [1]–Gore should have pursued the Butterfly-Ballot problem, and [2]–Gore should have honored the SCOTUS remand within 24 hours [as Harris claimed would suffice], allowing for all the counties to have reported their data by WEDNESDAY, yielding 48-hours for the result to have been protested…and resolving the situation by week’s end [3 days before the legislature would necessarily have been invoked].

By: uselogic

uselogic — Tue, 12 Jun 2012 20:00:02 +0000

is using the excuse of 5 Florida counties’ violations of the Civil Rights Act. Their agrument is that ALL of Flordia must get permission to do any “cleaning up” of voter rolls. Part of their argument is that the state is doing this too close to an election. In reality, the process was started months ago by FL but the Feds have not allowed FL access to the DHS (ICE, etc) database as they requested…. and have not properly responded. Hence, FL’s lawsuit against the Feds.

There are times I really like our Gov. Scott. This is one.

By: rsklaroff

rsklaroff — Tue, 12 Jun 2012 19:53:02 +0000

In PA, as judge-of-elections, I’ve presided over the generation of Provisional Ballots…which would be cast were some irregularity to have been detected.

In 2010, in Doylestown [Bucks Co.], I testified in a comparable situation, yielding the conclusion that a group of absentee ballots [allegedly acquired fraudulently] could be held in abeyance in a comparable fashion.

http://www.freerepublic.com/focus/f-news/2760847/posts

Thus, there is legal precedent for handling a group of ballots in a fashion that would allow them to be counted subsequently.

There is no reason why a comparable approach could not have been adopted in Florida.

By: littlehouse18

littlehouse18 — Tue, 12 Jun 2012 19:49:15 +0000

It’s just that Florida is a critical state, and perhaps one where the Dems can more easily manipulate the vote, which is why Holder wants to stop the cleanup.

By: joydbrower

joydbrower — Tue, 12 Jun 2012 19:48:04 +0000

Thank you for reminding all of us about the difference in strength of character when comparing even “Tricky Dick” to that total pompous axx, Albore! I also share your belief that not only did the BDS begin after that bitter fight, it also marked the beginning of the total divide our country now faces and in which, I must sadly condede, it will be inmeshed for a very long time. The Lib-Progs (aka Dems/Socialists/Marxists) will be the death of this country yet – that is, if our counter measures/initiatives/alliances aren’t successful in “taking our country back.”

By: rsklaroff

rsklaroff — Tue, 12 Jun 2012 19:47:03 +0000

…because the result would have undermined those who wished to perpetuate the “Illegitimate POTUS” narrative for nefarious purposes.