Comments on: Morning Briefing for June 19, 2012

By: aesthete

aesthete — Tue, 19 Jun 2012 23:32:59 +0000

because they were towering intellects with a mastery of other subjects.

Personally, I find the “story within a story” of the editorialized, embellished, or interpretive narrative more interesting than what’s being said — when I read a story about Africa in the NYT, am I reading about a famine in Zimbabwe, or am I reading a puff piece on various human rights organizations and a ploy for readers to support foreign aid in Africa? What are the sources being cited, and the journalist himself, wanting me to get out of the piece, and why?

By: acat

acat — Tue, 19 Jun 2012 23:01:04 +0000

Why do we assume that, with this bit of evidence in front of us, they aren’t doing just as poorly on topics we’re less familiar with?

Mew

By: aesthete

aesthete — Tue, 19 Jun 2012 23:00:11 +0000

as an act of inspired brilliance. They are so far removed from the subject matter, and so insulated by the country as a whole, that it’s all an abstraction to them.. You might as well be talking about Azerbaijan, for all their familiarity with it.

By: acat

acat — Tue, 19 Jun 2012 22:43:19 +0000

The two groups that Obama’s Hispandering incensed are …

Open-borders Hispanics – affects Virginia, Colorado, Iowa.

Rust-belt blue-collar workers whose jobs are threatened – affects the whole rust belt. That includes Pennsylvania.

Yes, Pennsylvania won’t be easy, but .. did *anyone* expect Wisconsin to be in the “maybe” column?

Mew

By: tnfriendofcoal101368

tnfriendofcoal101368 — Tue, 19 Jun 2012 22:03:37 +0000

is the pundits at CNN are declaring Obama “scooped” Romney or on Politico calling this “political genius”. I mean do these guys actually get paid for this? How can you be so out of touch with the voters? Immigration as an issue that saves Obama, really? Somewhere I know Carville and Begala are sitting down to drinks and crying in their beers or laughing the rears off. I mean I hate to be the one that spells this out but the sliver of the cheese wheel that cares about immigration is small (and half that sliver is the people on the right who oppose amnesty in all its forms) and none of those who care are moderate or independent voters. But the economy, jobs, the price of milk…that is the whole cheese wheel.

By: tnfriendofcoal101368

tnfriendofcoal101368 — Tue, 19 Jun 2012 21:53:35 +0000

Bad economics, the Hispanic vote actually is closer to 55-45 (60-40 at worst) which isn’t enough to overcome the massive vote in the panhandle. In addition, Romney is going to do better in the retired Jewish communities in Florida than any Republican in history. I wouldn’t be surprised that by October/November, Obama doesn’t quietly withdraw from Florida. O has no shot in North Carolina this time (I mean even they know this – they sent Beau Biden as their surrogate, seriously Beau Biden). Virginia is the only Southern swing state this cycle. We’ll be looking at the turnout in Southwestern Virginia (there is no where in the country where Dogeater is less popular). Indiana isn’t even a serious play for Chicago and Missouri is out of here as well. Nevada, Colorado, Ohio, Wisconsin, Michigan, New Hampshire, Iowa and Virginia…those are the ones up for grabs. I just have a hard time believing Pennsylvania is actually in play. Though I do think Ohio is certainly trending positively for Romney.

By: acat

acat — Tue, 19 Jun 2012 21:47:08 +0000

Works, yes?

Mew

By: tnfriendofcoal101368

tnfriendofcoal101368 — Tue, 19 Jun 2012 21:39:00 +0000

way I can…good luck David Axelrod, you sorry SOB, trying to make a campaign slogan out of “creates poverty, destroys wealth”.

By: tnfriendofcoal101368

tnfriendofcoal101368 — Tue, 19 Jun 2012 21:37:01 +0000

This is another of Obama’s “wars” that is doomed to failure. What Chicago has got to eventually come around too is they can’t avoid Obama’s record. Those moderates and independents that won’t “vote for a Republican” most certainly won’t vote for an incompetent marxist. Obama’s only chance to avoid his record was to convince enough voters that Mitt Romney was a kook. However, that ship has sailed. Moderate and independent voters want the President to tell them why after suffering the largest increase in poverty and the biggest destruction of wealth since the Great Depression they should return his blessed assurance to the White House. Everyday Chicago spends on any other message is a day one more moderate or independent makes the decision to fire them. As the incumbent, Barack Obama will not be given the option to avoid having to explain his record to the people who employ him.

By: acat

acat — Tue, 19 Jun 2012 21:21:03 +0000

Set the wayback machine to 2008 …

Flip North Carolina back to the GOP, consider it an early Christmas gift from Bev Perdue. Indiana also flips to the GOP. No way they elect Mourdock and then elect Obama. Finally, flip Florida. This one, I’ll admit, is going to be close, but Florida’s been trending Red.

Leave Colorado, Virgina, and Iowa with the Dems. Those are the States that you’re arguing will toggle away from Romney.

Now… toggle Ohio and Wisconsin over to the GOP. Walker bruised the Wisconsin Dems .. I think it’s either in play or close enough.

Next, flip either Michigan or Pennsylvania or Minnesota.

Mew

By: tnfriendofcoal101368

tnfriendofcoal101368 — Tue, 19 Jun 2012 20:55:04 +0000

If exit polling is to be believed…Ralph Nader took about 15,000 net votes from Al Gore (God, bless those 15,000 Nader voters) in Florida in 2000.

By: checkmate2012

checkmate2012 — Tue, 19 Jun 2012 20:54:41 +0000

a debate on this now and acat, you & I have both agreed we don’t want Rubio for VP.

So tnfriend, you too are right in that I’m sure Rubio signaled to Romney what he was up to. Not that it was a big secret since Rubio has been openly working on his Bill since April.

Sowas wrong and now agree it didn’t put Romney in a spot and Romney is holding tough, but I still believe he’d rather not be spending any breath on it. Really O is the one that tried to force his hand and it’s not working like Team O planned

By: tnfriendofcoal101368

tnfriendofcoal101368 — Tue, 19 Jun 2012 20:48:58 +0000

This is actually believe it or not a pretty good Hispanic vote in Virginia (that and the DC suburbs are the reason Virginia is the one Southern “swing” state).

By: tnfriendofcoal101368

tnfriendofcoal101368 — Tue, 19 Jun 2012 20:46:52 +0000

Heck 15 votes in Colorado might be the difference. PPP has Obama 49-42 in Colorado…meaning that race is a dead heat (given PPP’s normal slavering for Obama). Hispanics comprise 22% of the population in Nevada, got to be some disaffected Open Borders crowd there.Oh and New Mexico, if Obama has to defend New Mexico, it’ll be sayonara to his reign, uh I mean administration.

By: tnfriendofcoal101368

tnfriendofcoal101368 — Tue, 19 Jun 2012 20:38:54 +0000

That Rubio didn’t give Romney the heads up before he went public. I also believe Rubio is smart enough and a big enough adult to understand that Boston would have to let people know that Rubio wasn’t on their short list. I also am pretty sure that if Boston had believed this was suicide for them and relayed that to Rubio; he would not have proceeded.

By: acat

acat — Tue, 19 Jun 2012 20:33:17 +0000

Might help us some in Arizona, not that I think we’ll have trouble there.

Not sure how big a percentage of the Open Borders Hispanic bloc are in Colorado or Iowa .. those are the only two that I think can swing….

Mew

By: tnfriendofcoal101368

tnfriendofcoal101368 — Tue, 19 Jun 2012 20:32:13 +0000

very well for Romney. Obama is managed to tick off the only two constituencies that burn White Hot on this issue (White Hot meaning it influences who you vote for). It reminds conservatives everything they hate and fear about O, but it has also reminded ?Every Open Borders, All Amnesty, All the time Hispanic bloc? that Obama has done none of the things he promised. The legal immigrants that don’t want amnesty in general aren’t burning white hot (i.e. they’ll vote for the same reasons everyone else votes). Romney: he’ll just keep saying “Secure the borders, strong eVerify to take away incentive for folks to come here illegally and Hispanics are unemployed at a rate of 3% higher than normal in the Obama economy”. If Romney got caught in a hurricane, with 10 tornadoes bearing down on him, Putin launched a nuclear strike and three clowns started singing “Poker Face” while nude…Romney would still say “man this Obama economy just doesn’t create jobs”. Nothing knocks that dude off message.

By: acat

acat — Tue, 19 Jun 2012 20:28:47 +0000

I don’t think Rubio was ever on Romney’s short list. Overall, I think this is a Good Thing – the main argument I’ve heard in favor of Rubio is the false “he brings the Latino vote” one. That Rubio is a great orator and stand-up guy are not an argument for the veep slot, eh? Let him become a great Senator and Governor then run for the top slot on his own, not in Romney’s shadow.

Romney has established his talking points on the border and immigration, they are nicely to the right from Romney’s decision to poke at Perry on “amnesty”, and Team Romney haven’t moved them.

This will play well for Romney in the Rust Belt, especially Pennsylvania, Michigan, Ohio, and Wisconsin, and it won’t cost Romney significantly in any up-for-grabs States except maybe Colorado and Iowa .. maybe … (what, it’s gonna cost him Texas? Hahahaha!)

I don’t think Rubio hurt Romney here at all .. and I do think Rubio has enhanced his reputation as “the guy who can get this done” going into 2013.

Mew

By: tnfriendofcoal101368

tnfriendofcoal101368 — Tue, 19 Jun 2012 20:20:34 +0000

I actually believe the “Every Open Borders, All Amnesty, All the time Hispanic bloc” might actually be the one group that does sit this one out. On principle they disagree with Republicans in general and conservatives in particular but they are not happy with Obama/Reid. The fact that Obama took this step (besides that Rubio forced it on him) shows Chicago is worried about this bloc.

By: checkmate2012

checkmate2012 — Tue, 19 Jun 2012 20:01:18 +0000

won’t even pursue it now. Rubio is making it hard on Romney tho’ IMO. it’s not something Romney wants to debate now.

Also I’ve heard many Hispanics are suspect of, if it was so fair and just, why didn’t O do it long ago. I still think legal immigrants don’t want amnesty.