I was literally speechless and cried when hearing of this earlier today.
WalMart Employee killed and a woman has miscarriage due to ‘Black Friday’ STAMPEDE.
I can’t even begin to comment on any of this.
Kenneth L Solomon…………Typical Bitter Jewish God-Clinging Gun Owner And Barking Mad Insane NASCAR Fan……………Please support the Jamie McMurray Foundation For Autism Speaks.
Good Lord.
George Claghorn Friday, November 28th at 10:37AM EST (link)This is disgraceful. People should realize that there -will- be other sales between now and Christmas.
“Victory comes, though we know not when. We must be happy warriors until the end.
For those of you who struggle with what goes on, who see retreat and capitulation, and who feel like not just your political opponents, but those who hold dear all those things you hold as blasphemous — be cheerful. Be happy. Victory is already yours.
You must just have the courage to not get discouraged and have the will to fight on.” – Erick Erickson at RightOnline
Suffice it to say Kenny that the death of the American economy...
JadedByPolitics Friday, November 28th at 10:50AM EST (link)is greatly EXAGGERATED!….went shopping at 7:30 this morning and could NOT find a parking spot at my mall here in Fairfax, VA!
Depression, Recession? lying liars! BOTH politicians and the MSM have LIED and LIED….this Christmas selling season will be fine!
Whoever has his enemy at his mercy &
does not destroy him is his own enemy
let me kowalski and say that your story is SAD....
JadedByPolitics Friday, November 28th at 10:52AM EST (link)The animals who race into the stores…are a huge part of the problem with this country….they will be the one’s begging for help for spending what they don’t have!
Whoever has his enemy at his mercy &
does not destroy him is his own enemy
Pray for them
JakePrime Friday, November 28th at 11:18AM EST (link)What a terrible thing it is. This seems to happen every couple of years on black Friday. People need to rethink their priorities and act with some semblence of civility. There’s nothing wrong with getting a good deal, but it is not an excuse to shed our humanity to a total disregard for another’s life. Have we come to the point where we revert to the savage beasts from whence we came just for that bigger HD TV?
Nothing new here, move on...
kowalski Friday, November 28th at 11:22AM EST (link)In a way it’s sad that nothing is new here, because these kinds of stampedes and injuries and even deaths have been going on for many, many years now — at least as long as I can remember — during the opening day of holiday season at discount retailers.
When I was just seven years old (which is a comparatively long time ago) I was in the middle of a huge push-and-shove match at a Two Guys (remember them?) in New Jersey when the store was just opening on after Thanksgiving and people were lined up for bargains and also to get their hands on one of a handful of Atari 2600 video game systems.
It’s the same story every year, and occasionally someone gets killed. The real problem has always been that the store does not have the personnel to police the crowd outside and the police don’t really want to, and so a melee ensues.
The crime is that it’s a preventable tragedy — retailers know this is going to happen and as far as I can tell they haven’t changed their practices very much in more than 30 years.
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On the other viewpoint.... hoarding is a sign of recession!
Rod_Patrick Friday, November 28th at 11:27AM EST (link)nt
I don't mean to sound cold.
kowalski Friday, November 28th at 11:28AM EST (link)I don’t mean to sound cold, but the idea that “This is What America Is Now” is mistaken.
What would be very interesting from an academic perspective, and probably worth at least a Master’s thesis to an enterprising young student somewhere at one of our best universities, would be to study the incidences of deaths and injuries at discount stores in the context of the regional and national economic situation at the time and place they happened.
There are obviously a lot of variables, and that’s why it’s a shoo-in for someone to make a career out of studying. That would be a dissertation I’d actually like to read.
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Clarification about the police...
kowalski Friday, November 28th at 11:49AM EST (link)When I say that the “police don’t really want to” I don’t mean it as an insult. On Black Friday most local police forces are stretched pretty thin because they can’t be everywhere at once. They count on people to behave like human beings, in other words, and sometimes that trust is misplaced.
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We and other members of the Anglosphere
Achance Friday, November 28th at 12:04PM EST (link)used to pride ourselves in being the only people who could line up, wait, and gather in large groups and not have a riot. Those days are gone entirely in Great Britain, going here, and I don’t know about Australia, NZ, or India if we want to number them as among the English-speaking people.
In Vino Veritas
I NEVER shop on Black Friday
WHAT Friday, November 28th at 12:08PM EST (link)For this very reason. The stores are just as much at fault for encouraging this behavior. If you encourage crowds, then you need crowd controls in place, like rope lines, etc. to funnel the lemmings.
It's New York, also...
kowalski Friday, November 28th at 12:25PM EST (link)Long Island, in particular. Isn’t New York run almost from top to bottom by Democrats?
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I haven't been to NYC since 1989,
Achance Friday, November 28th at 12:58PM EST (link)and I didn’t lose anything there to cause me to want to go back! I must say that it was less disgusting in ‘89 than it was when I used to go there frequently in the ’70s.
I was in your neighborhood in ‘04, and frankly don’t know how anyone stands to live in Boston or the old seaport towns down towards Bridgeport, CT. A couple of members of my staff and I took a weeklong seminar on collective bargaining put on by Hahvud/MIT (waste of money but the certificate looks good on your resume). We had a new ferry being christened at Direcktor Shipyard in Bridgeport, CT, so we took the train down there. All we saw was rust, rot, and ruin on and alongside the old New Haven mainline. The catenary was late-19th, early 20th Century lattice work steel and even some earlier cast iron work. There isn’t enough money in the World to replace all that stuff as it wears out, not to speak of replacing all the cut stone tunnel portals, retaining walls, etc. The trip was just one long view of abandoned factories, rusting plant, and working class housing in disrepair. And to top it off, the train just stopped in the middle of nowhere on the way back so we got to sit there until they could run another engine out and bring us in. Apparently, they have some rule that they can’t serve food or drinks when the train is stopped, so we got to sit there for two hours with no food and more importantly, no drinks to ease the pain. Go West young man! (or South)
In Vino Veritas
It is interesting that Valley Stream
kowalski Friday, November 28th at 1:15PM EST (link)Valley Stream is the home to a lot of celebrities and media personalities who live on Long Island. It almost qualifies as an “enclave.”
Leslie Moonves of CBS lives there, for instance. It must be very awkward for them to have such a terrible thing happen right around the corner from their multimillion dollar houses.
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Video talking heads
SteveLA Friday, November 28th at 1:38PM EST (link)Sorry that it’s MSNBC, but their videos are the only ones that play all the time on my computer.
Oh to answer the question asked by the talking heads, one word…MORONS.
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Competency over ideological purity
What did Yogi say?
SteveLA Friday, November 28th at 3:06PM EST (link)Dej vu all over again.
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Well Rod if you think that this incident today is hoarding...
JadedByPolitics Friday, November 28th at 3:10PM EST (link)what has it been called the lst 15 years or so as it has been this way for some time….there is no hoarding and there is no recession! OBTW a 388 dollar tv at Walmart is not going to help you when electricity shuts down during the hoarding phase of a recession or depression….hoarding comes in the form of food!
Whoever has his enemy at his mercy &
does not destroy him is his own enemy
Thanks SteveLA
kowalski Friday, November 28th at 3:52PM EST (link)That’s another example. I was thinking also of the Cabbage Patch Kids frenzy but you managed to find the video clip.
I knew people who would have killed for one of those things when they were hot. There was no eBay, so people just sold them amongst themselves the old fashioned way — immediate neighbor extorting immediate neighbor. There was briefly an entire “alternate universe” social hierarchy in the town I lived in that revolved around whose children had which Cabbage Patch Kids, how soon.
The Internet didn’t exist at the time the of the original Cabbage Patch Kids riots and when the subsquent intra- and inter-community wars were being waged. But it was brutal — BRUTAL, I tell you.
There were also a lot of casualties that resulted from the original Battlestar Galactica and Star Wars toys and those skirmishes are similarly lost to history, even though the battles were real…very real, my friend.
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The most frightening thing I have ever seen
Achance Friday, November 28th at 4:14PM EST (link)is a mob of women at six am in a frenzy to get whatever it was that the brats demanded. There was some stupid something or other that we were going to jail for child abuse over unless it was procured at the KayBee Toys store at 6 AM on Black Friday. SWMBO insisted, no demanded, well, really ordered that I was to accompany her. Sorry, my nerves were completely shattered by the experience and I’ve never been able to go near a toy store since.
In Vino Veritas
No worries
SteveLA Friday, November 28th at 4:16PM EST (link)But don’t offer of them there cabbage patch dolls to Mike Huckabee or his buddy Bill Gothard, might freak them out.
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Simple, really.
NightTwister Friday, November 28th at 4:22PM EST (link)It’s due to the devaluing of life that continues in our Country.
Notice in the news article how most people just ran right past the injured without stopping to help.
It reminds me of the time when a woman was dying in a convenience store and people just stepped over her to go on about their business. One even stopped to take a picture with her cell phone, but didn’t try to assist her. I wrote about it here.
Look for things like this to get worse as unrestricted abortion on demand becomes acceptable, along with a wider acceptance of ESCR and euthanasia.
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Toys-R-Us - Palm Desert, California - 2 Dead Inside The Store
Kenny Solomon Friday, November 28th at 5:45PM EST (link)Again, this is what we’ve become.
2 Shot Dead At California Toys-R-Us
No comment from me…….yet.
Of course you can have my guns……. Bullets first.
I didn’t say rounds, shells or magazines……
I said bullets first.
The Cabbage Patch Kids
kowalski Friday, November 28th at 5:45PM EST (link)The original Cabbage Patch Kids were probably the most emotionally exploitative product ever sold in America, and there was and is a very good reason to dislike them on that basis alone. For a while there were actually a lot of people who really believed they had “adopted” a “baby” and treated the dolls as though they had.
In fact, they treated the dolls better than they would have treated an actual adopted child.
Nothing is as surreal as the way people actually behave.
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Just saw that too
SteveLA Friday, November 28th at 5:52PM EST (link)Ether Hispanic gangs going after each other or Black on Brown gang types. Sadly the LA media won’t tell all the facts on this story, including the gang affiliation if there is one.
Gonna upset the the old folks out in Palm Springs with this stuff though.
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The second most emotionally exploitative
kowalski Friday, November 28th at 5:56PM EST (link)The second most emotionally exploitative product ever sold in America is Barack Obama, in a close race with Ronald Reagan, who comes in third by my reckoning.
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What if it had been your father?
janiel_ Friday, November 28th at 6:02PM EST (link)If it had been your own father who ‘d been killed in that stampede - would it really matter to you if the homes in the area were mansions or shacks?
If it had been your baby that was lost - would it really matter to you if democrats or republicans were running the town??
If it had been your family that was grieving right this minute - would you really care what ANYONE was shopping for ???????
People DIED today…. shouldn’t it mean more than just another event that proves a point you’ve been trying to make?
How can you people politicize this? HUMAN BEINGS are gone, and there are loved ones who are grief stricken right now because of a bunch of animals who couldnt bother to stop for a minute and help someone get up, and you’re sitting at your computers detached and analytical - blaming stores, blaming politcians, the economyand hoarding, unrestricted abortion, and realizing there will be other SALES?????? Don’t you FEEL anything??? Where is your OWN compassion????
it’s disgusting!!!
I do hope those who are grieving and their families and loved ones will somehow know that they are in my thoughts, and prayers. Having lost a son - I greatly understand the loss that mother is going through - and will go through - and my heart aches for her. But what I know for my part- i will be even more aware of what is going on around me - and will never make any THING or EVENT more imporant than any human life.
Now I'll comment...............
Kenny Solomon Friday, November 28th at 6:04PM EST (link)HOW DARE YOU ALL WHO POLITICIZE THIS !
Did any of you stop for even a second to think the people killed have families ?
There was an unborn baby among those who’s lives were ended by sheer stupidity.
What if that was one of your friends or relatives today on either end of the spectrum?
What does a person say to their kid ? “Here Johnny, Merry Christmas, it’s an X-Box. By the way, I had to stomp on at least two people including a pregnant woman to make sure you got this gift, so enjoy it !”
This is not anything left or right. This is not anything Democrat or Republican. This is not anything to be legislated by a nanny state.
We are all human beings and need to take a step back for a brief moment.
This nothing more than single-minded greed on steroids, pure and simple. The “I’m gonna get mine and screw the other person”-ism goes way beyond political points.
If any groups are faulted here, it’s parents for not instilling right and wrong in their families, along with the retailers themselves and the media for whipping up people into a materialistic frenzy.
Yes this has gone on for years, but enough is enough.
On some levels, the people who committed murder today (2 dead in New York and 2 dead in California) are no better than the terrorists who are running rampant in Mumbai. They did what they did because it’s how they are. Greed and evil go hand in hand.
Do I have a solution? No.
But I do have one question to everyone going shopping at 4am/5am: “Why are you really there ?”
Of course you can have my guns……. Bullets first.
I didn’t say rounds, shells or magazines……
I said bullets first.
We drove past our Mall this morning...
Mark Kilmer Friday, November 28th at 8:53PM EST (link)and the lots were full. Cars were improving parking spaces. The traffic was madness.
We ventured to a pretty big shopping complex on the side of a mountain, about ten minutes away, and the lots were bigger thus there was adequate parking. We manged to get an office chair on sale and get home alive.
Still, we’re told that people were looking at things rather than shopping.
As for the instances of brutality, they are examples of inhumanity and the malcreants should be considered accordingly. And the stores which pull such stunts.
Well janiel I do think you might have gone a little off the deepend...
JadedByPolitics Saturday, November 29th at 12:09AM EST (link)with regards to our conversations on this SAD matter however we are addressing ROOT causes as we discuss this awful event. You might understand if you never get to the ROOT causes you cannot figure a solution to them and they just get worse.
I am sorry you have lost a son but I do not think you should berate us for our words on this matter….perhaps with your sorrow on this story dredging up emotional issue’s for you it might be better served foryou to do a diary on the damage done by people to other people and the ROOT causes of those actions and get it out of your bloodstream….just a suggestion!
We can than address all of that on your diary!
Whoever has his enemy at his mercy &
does not destroy him is his own enemy
Update on the woman who "miscarried"....
JadedByPolitics Saturday, November 29th at 12:20AM EST (link)NOT TRUE…
Yes the savages killed a man and walked over his dead body WE can thank heaven that the miscarrying woman was a false story!
I would also note that while this ignorance of death that SEEMS somehow a new breakdown of civilization it even happened in 1964. I remembered this story because HUMANS have been uncivilized since the beginning of time BUT with 24 hour news it always seems as if it is somehow happening to US for the first time…
Kitty Genovese
I read this story back in my youth and was struck by the inhumanity to man and the book I read next was the Manson murders which made me realize that you are never quite as safe as you think you are and you are responsible for you own safety….and I thank the 2nd amendment for allowing me to provide for mine and my families safety!
Whoever has his enemy at his mercy &
does not destroy him is his own enemy
...?
Lelouch Saturday, November 29th at 8:00AM EST (link)The heck is that supposed to mean. Have your problems with Huckabee or whoever you want, but don’t start doing stupid insults like that. That is something the liberals specialize in doing.
You wanna mock him, do it in a manner befitting someone of Redstate, not Huffpo.
The only ones who can kill are those who are prepared to be killed.
I worked at Wal-Mart on a Black Friday.
Lelouch Saturday, November 29th at 8:03AM EST (link)If all we had was a few fistfights, we’d consider that a good day.
The only ones who can kill are those who are prepared to be killed.