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Ron Paul

First, I am fully aware that the super-majority of Red State readers and/or users not only dislike Rep. Ron Paul, they despise so many of his followers.  And I understand the reasons why.  But I’m here to tell you not to ignore us because I am one of them.  I have also been a member (as Mason_Conservative) a member of both Redstate.org and Redstate.com since 2004.  I came to Ron Paul from the Republican Party, not vice-versa.  And I know many many other folks like me.  And this is the lesson all Republicans need to remember if we are going to beat Barack Obama.

I came to Dr. Paul because here in Virginia I saw as men like Tom Davis (my congressman for years), George Allen, Jim Gilmore, Jerry Kilgore, and other “leaders” in Virginia became part of the establishment, and have constantly put aside conservative principles in order to win elections.  Many of them lost because of that.  On a national level, I tried to cheer on George W. Bush even as the knowledge of spending grew and grew.  The last hurdle to cross was reconciling my support of these wars in the past with my desire to see them end now.  I came t Dr. Paul because the Republican Party at every level I was engaged in let me down over the last 10 years.  What I was hoping and praying I would hear out of the mouths of these leaders is what I was now hearing from Ron and Rand Paul, what I read about in their books, and what they were saying at debates and in the media.

There are two wings to the Ron Paul movement . . . the 2008 wing and the 2012 wing.  I am apart of the 2012 wing that have found about 3/4 of his views compatible with mine.  Many of the 2008 wing are the caricature folks here at RedState and other main stream conservative outlets mock (and in many ways, justifiably so).  But Ron Paul’s campaign became more than just a fringe movement this time around, and the proof is in the money they raised and how long they outlasted the competition.  Folks like me, who are Republicans and want to stay Republicans, we we waiting and watching how Mitt Romney moves forward.  I’ll got ahead and say this too, many of us don’t necessarily see a huge difference between Barack Obama and Mitt Romney.  We want to see what Romney is going to do to be more than just a stuttering attack debater who pours millions into attack ads.  And before I get flamed further for supporting Ron Paul on RedState, I AM going to vote for Mitt Romney, let me make that clear.

But what I am saying is that unlike any of the other candidates who ran for president, Paul developed a full vision of conservatism that will move on without him and one that I dearly hope Republicans will envelop (at least in part) to finally begin to differentiate ourselves from the failure of compassionate conservatism.  I have a good feeling about it.  When I look at people at all levels on the Republican Party – from Rand Paul to Tom Coburn on the federal level, to someone like Ken Cuccinelli on the state level – I can see the Paul Movement’s message being accepted more broadly within the Republican Party.  New faces will emerge as its champions and it will evolve from its raw presentation by Dr. Paul, but I urge Republicans not to turn away from his message or his movement.  No candidate is perfect and mainstream conservatives have been willing to accept a few flaws here and there if the general movement towards constitutional conservatism (in 2010, RedState itself embraced Rand Paul).

I believe the more liberty-centric constitutional conservatism is the future of the Republican Party.  Ron Paul, to many of us, has been its most emphatic and consistant (if flawed) champion.  This constitutional conservatism is the antidote to the failed stain of big government, compassionate conservatism.  Many, many people who believe in this are Ron Paul supporters.  I see a common attack on sites like RedState is that Paul is subverting the will of the people.  I can understand the frustration, but really what they are doing is running within the rules of the parties within the states and doing everything by the rules.  Its on Republicans for either a) not knowing their own rules, or b) being too arrogant or lazy to do everything properly.  But I ask a deeper question.  These folks who are doing this are conservative, and running as conservatives.  Here in Virginia, our 3rd congressional district chairman is a Ron Paul supporter, a conservative, and was just elected last weekend.  My question is . . . why not embrace these people who work so hard at knowing the party rules, and being active?  Instead of making fun of them, dismissing them as caricatures of something they are not, why not get that energy pointed in the right direction.  As much as many on hear will hate to hear it, much of the Tea Party was born out of the Ron Paul movement.

Romney will have his chance to make this move with his vice-presidential pick.  And no, I’m not hear arguing for Rand Paul.  I think Senator Paul would turn it down anyways, he has something more important he is working on.  Thus far Romney has indicated that he will be looking for a “boring white guy” type candidate.  There are scores of serious-minded, constitutional conservatives that could add serious juice with many of the Paul supporters.  And again, forget about whatever Ron Paul personally does.  His movement has become about taking over the Republican Party, they will not go third party even if he does.  You don’t put in the hours at these local conventions, caucuses, and mass meetings just go home.  My personal number 1 choice for Gov. Romney would be Sen. Tom Coburn, a conservative statesman who is serious about the most serious issue to 2012 Paul supporters . . .  the debt and government spending.

So in summation, I guess I’m on here saying that there are many Paul supporters like me who came from the Republican Party’s apparatus and are not nutjob faux-liberal hippies.  We have embraced the constitutional conservatism of Ron Paul and see it as the way to change the Republican Party for the better, move it to the right, and finally dispose of the tawdry legacy of compassionate conservatism.

I await Gov. Romney’s next move.

COMMENTS

  • mikeymike143

    and nutjob paul didnt win a single state in the primary.

    • mikeymike143

      and his foreign policy is simply the same failed foreign policy that jimmy carter had. right out of the ”code pink” handbook. and there is a reason this site bans his anti semitic looney paulbotfollowers on sight.

      and the tea party was not born out of anything to do with ron paul. in fact, polling shows that nutjob paul was rejected by 93% of tea partiers as a presidential candidate.

      http://www.redstate.com/mikeymike143/2011/12/12/new-gallup-poll-nutjob-ron-paul-only-gets-7-of-the-tea-party-vote/

  • citizenkh

    campaigned in 2008 with Code Pink on the dais.

    Also his fiscal hawk rhetoric does not match his actions. You obviously have not vetted him further than his rhetoric. A decade ago as a regional manager of a contractor, I handled some of the surplus assets of Dow Chemical in Freeport, TX (along with all in LA & CA) where I discovered that Dow (Feeport) was sole and direct beneficiary of Paul’s earmarks. We received lots of things to sell on Dow’s behalf because the Feds had paid for brand new replacements for infrastructure and maintenance equipment.

    Later while checking out Paul’s claims that he earmarks were for public good, I found that it was not just Dow which was a direct beneficiary but other multi-nationals as well. All of these earmarks contain “For Free Trade” in their titles and never mention the company name, but do reference local names of geographical locations, not even latitude/longitude coordinates.

    Now explain WHY he did not push his “Audit the Fed” bill forward in the summer of 2009 when he had enough co-signers to not only pass it but make it veto proof.

    • Bill S

      And let me remind you: We are still banning Ronulans here. You are teetering on the edge with this one.

    • mikeymike143

      and you are also correct about hypocrite paul talking tough and picking the taxpayers pockets every chance he can get. paul is a man of low character.

  • PowerToThePeople

    and each and every one of his cult members. He is a scumbag POS worthy of nothing but our contempt.

    I hope Romney looks at Ron Paul, places one hand on his groin and gives a slight upward pull, all while shoving his middle finger into Ron Paul’s forehead. Even at that, it would be better than Ron Paul deserves.

  • trimulchio

    a sure sign of people who have no argument themselves, in my opinion.

    Rep. Paul influenced a lot of people. I think he was wrong to run himself this time, but he asks good questions and makes people think. His Campaign for Liberty people were a key factor in the Tea Party in ’09 and ’10.

    As the diarist notes, Paul did help popularize the Constitutional argument against bloated and unworkable government. Paul will have a choice to make this year, given his son’s status among Republicans. He may even break some of his followers’ hearts, while pleasing some people here.

    Politics is an art and you can’t please everyone.

    • gekster

      Banning people who are just as nutty as RP.
      If you would comprehend what you read, you would see alot of disagreement here.

      Reading comprehension, give it a shot. ;)

    • Bill S

      And apparently we don’t please you. C’est la vie.

    • acat

      who insist that “Doctor Paul” is “against earmarks” *despite* his record, who insist that a return to a gold standard is both possible and desirable …

      These people need banning as nothing else will shut them up and let the rest of us converse.

      If you believe Ron Paul is all that and a bag of chips, then be prepared to stand and defend him. His 2008-era idiot followers, though, make me sick.

      Mew

    • streiff

      in your comment but failed.

      Paul is a crank. 99% of his followers are morons. The remainder are charlatans-in-training.

      He had so little to do with the Tea Party creation that it can’t be accurately measured.

      Paul couldn’t pick the Constitution out of a line up.

    • garfieldjl

      I would have been banned long ago.

      That argument doesn’t fly.

  • honeybadger

    After reading the comments, I think that everyone is missing the point of this diary. It is NOT about Ron Paul. It is about the libertarians and libertarian leaning conservatives in the Republican party. The Republican party needs these types in the party if we are ever going to become a party of fiscal responsibility. I don’t care what you think about Dr. Paul, but he has many supporters who genuinely what to shrink the size and power of government, and want to be involved in the Republican party to bring those changes. It is a mistake to assume that all of Paul’s supporters have identical views as he does. There are many conservatives who think that the federal budget needs to be dramatically reduced, multiple departments need to be eliminated, the Fed needs to be reformed, and our military presence overseas needs to be reduced. These are all issues Paul supporters care about. One does not have to believe in conspiracies, want to shut down the CIA, or even support the gold standard to align more closely to Paul that the other candidates.

    • Bill S

      .

      • honeybadger

        One would think that conservatives and libertarians could work together to reduce the size of government. We may not agree on everything but there is a significant amount of common ground

  • conservativerock5

    The lack of intelligence is incredible. It is laughable. Name calling, guilt by association, conspiracies theories….that is the same as the Paulbots do(the internet spammers, not all Paul supporters)

    Glad I am a reasonable person who can actually think.

    I appreciate many of Ron Paul’s contributions such as bringing up real free markets, real liberties, and the Constitution. It is just that I disagree with his policy of non-interventionism in the case of nuclear states such as Iran and North Korea. Otherwise, he was by far the best candidate.

    • PowerToThePeople

      you are just an amazing thinker who puts all others to shame.

      I have said it a hundred times before, going to say it again You and your Paulbot buddies are as ignorant as they come. You make the chem trail spritzer folks look sane. There is no place in conservatism for Paul or his supporters and the best thing that could ever happen to our party, our cause, and this country is you all take a long walk off a short plank into great white shark infested water right after the water has been chummed.

      And as to your last comment, if the race was between Obama, Hitler, Stalin, Bill Mauer, and Ron Paul, he would be the worst of the bunch.

      • conservativerock5

        “There you go again”

        • PowerToThePeople

          could have a Reagan thought applied to it.

          As to your nonsense and my retort, it all still stands.

      • mikeymike143

        paul and his followers are loons.

        • conservativerock5

          10 or possibly less.

          Well, you were smart enough to make a deceptive post by leaving out the “otherwise” portion.

          Every time you post I get the mental image of a spoiled child who is in a Wal-mart screaming “paulbot!” “you are a loon!” “you are crazy”.

          Get a grip.

  • http://masonconservative.typepad.com fairfaxchris

    I still believe that central question is not being answered here . . . libertarian Republicans are looking for a place in the Republican Party, many who supported Ron Paul. Are conservatives going to embrace them?

    I mean . . . RedState endorsed RAND Paul . . . so I’m having a hard time figuring out everyone’s resistance past the “I’m going ban you” rhetoric.

    (PS – I live in Virginia, my only choices were Romney and Paul . . . and I signed petitions for everyone)

    • PowerToThePeople

      in opening our arms to any of the Ron Paul POS. Is that a simple enough answer for you?

      PS If Rand Paul proves that the nut has not fallen far from the tree, he will join the POS club as well. So far so good, but only time will tell.

      • conservativerock5

        By throwing in all libertarians with Ron Paul supporters and then throwing all Ron Paul supporters in with the vocal nuts.

        • PowerToThePeople

          His statement about Ron Paul/libertarians clearly defines his point and indicates he is referring to libertarians who are Ron Paul fans. Based on that, no we do not want them.

          But to address your last point, one does not have to be a vocal supporter of Ron Paul to be a POS. To simply support him is enough.

          You are on the wrong site and debating with the wrong person if you want Ron Paul sympathy. He is nothing and his followers are even less. I make no apologies for my contempt of everything Ron Paul.

          • conservativerock5

            But whatever you like

          • gekster

            You list people intelectually similar to you.

            I thought thise people were smart.
            I see I was wrong.
            Go figure.