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The GOP aren’t the ones dying on the hill

By: firstchevalier (Diary)  |  July 30th, 2011 at 09:43 AM  | 

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and the they’re making a mistake allowing the media to portray it that way.

The idea the Republicans are the ones ‘assaulting’ anything here is laughable.  The idea the Republicans are the cause of the problem here is ludicrous.  The idea the Republicans are ‘getting in the way’ of the solution is dishonest on the face of it.

The Democrats are the ones who’ve built the mountain of debt we have (with the help of Bush and his followers).  The Democrats proposed and shoved TARP down our throats offering it as a solution.  The Democrats are the ones who have no proposed bills and are saying NO to those bills put forward.

Remember the following things from the debt ceiling exchange…

Remember who voted for TARP and you will know who will vote for raising the ceiling, and indenturing future generations to the Federal government via taxes.

Remember the rhetoric of, ‘but we’ve gotta do something’, ‘doing something is better than nothing’, ‘if we don’t do this RIGHT NOW the world will end’, and ‘too big to fail’. then you’ll know how this will turn out.

But most of all, remember who said they were conservative when they ran for office but votes to raise the ceiling.  Then you will know who to vote for, and against, come the next election cycle.

That’s my opinion, I welcome yours…

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  • izoneguy

    The liberals see this as the hill that they will die on….
    Damn the debt – full speed ahead is their motto.

    The tea party’s terrorist tactics

    It has become commonplace to call the tea party faction in the House ?hostage takers.? But they have now become full-blown terrorists.

    And why are we called terrorists? Because we?re adamant about a Constitutionally-limited government that needs to seriously cut, cut, and then cut some more from their bloated and unconstitutional spending that is driving our country over a cliff?

  • btpull

    It is a simple matter of math during Bush’s term the Federal debt rose 86%. By comparison Clinton’s term saw the debt raise 37% and Obama has raised the debt 34% so far.

    Sad part is that if someone or group tries in do something about our unsustainable level of debt and spending they are demonized by the press and the defenders of the status quo.

    Eventually we will have to deal with this mess; it will be painful as well. The longer we put it off the more painful it well be. Too bad we did not pay attention to Ross Perot 20 years ago when the Federal debt was 1/3 its level. More power to the TEA PARTY

  • izoneguy

    The tea party Taliban

    We now have a group of U.S. politicians seeking political purity, who seem to have much in common with the Taliban. They are tea party members; and because of blind adherence to smaller government, they seem intent on risking destroying what American political leaders have constructed in more than two centuries of hard, often painful work. Like the Taliban, they see compromise as an unacceptable alternative.

    Martin Frost was and is a joke. I see now why he is an ex-congressman.

    “risking destroying what American political leaders have constructed in more than two centuries of hard, often painful work”….

    Barack Obama is the one that is hellbent on destroying what American political leaders have constructed in more than two centuries of hard, often painful work. And Obama has done all of this in less than 2.5 years. Imagine
    if he had 4 more starting in 2012. Don’t believe the lies & propaganda that people like Martin Frost & William Yeomans are spreading.

    The Tea Party will save America from the progressives. The sooner the
    Marxist/Communist/Progressive cabal is shut down in America the better.
    This is war and we will not lose.

  • gekster

    Obama has far surpassed Bush.
    Got blinders on or something.

  • http://www.firstchevalier.com Mark Malcolm

    despite what I said above, though he did spend more than I would have liked.

    This mess rests SQUARELY on Obama’s shoulders and his willing accomplices who carry a (D) (and some moderate R’s too) next to their name in Washington DC.

    The hill they are (or should metaphorically speaking) ‘die on’ is the mountain of debt they’ve built for America’s children. We, sir, are defending the Red White and Blue that may soon be covered up under that mountain of debt.

  • acat

    It’s like the Dems shifted to using a cut-rate spamhaus or something.

    Mew

  • gekster

    With a laptop and directions to RS.

  • http://www.firstchevalier.com Mark Malcolm

    on the face of it.

    Democrats controlled congress in an almost (if not actual) unbroken string for 40-50+ years until ’96. We have tried government under their principals. It boggles my mind why moderate Republicans still thing anything like the liberal ideology hasn’t already been proven as incapable of prospering a free people.

  • gekster

    and the next post say the opposite.

    I gotta go do something else for a while,
    you guys are cracking me up to much.
    I can only take so much humor.
    (smiley face laughing, but I don’t know how to do that, so take my word)

  • btpull

    If the issue is debt, Bush cannot escape blame; he does not deserve to take all the blame by himself, but he does deserves his share based on his contribution.

    Under Bush the percentage increase in debt was over twice that of Clinton and Obama so far. Obama will eventually pass Bush (unless the Tea Party saves him – just like the Republicans saved Clinton in the mid-90′s). But to date the King of Debt title squarely rests on Bush.

  • izoneguy

    mfrost@polsinelli.com

  • http://travismonitor.blogspot.com Freedoms Truth

    “Under Bush the percentage increase in debt was over twice that of Clinton and Obama so far. ”

    Under Obama, the publicly held debt went from $6.2 trillin to $9.7 trillion – SO FAR. Obama has added more debt in 3 years than Bush added in 8 years.

    Your ‘facts’ are wrong. The Democrats have for years now engaged in a blame-Bush lie.

    But it is DEMOCRAT budgets and spending that have ballooned the deficit. They NEVER reduce, cut or even control spending.

    http://i53.tinypic.com/2s0nwqg.jpg

  • http://www.firstchevalier.com Mark Malcolm

    when I say it’s not Bush’s fault. He spent too much, yes so he’s an accessory.

    However, Obama is into year 3 of his FIRST four (please let it be his last four) and he’s already eclipsed Bush for spending.

    The debate isn’t about how much Bush spent. It’s about what the liberals in charge of this administration are doing NOW.

    I refuse to be taken off the point, which has been maintained, that we have a spending problem, not a debt ceiling problem.

    In simple terms if your household ends up with too much month at the end of the money, you stop spending. Borrowing more doesn’t fix the income problem, it makes the problem worse for later on.

    Any vote to raise the debt limit in any fashion is a vote to take a bad problem, make it worse, and ask my children to clean up your mess.

    Unacceptable.

  • btpull

    In January 2001 the public portion of the Federal Debt was $3,3T in January 2009 the public portion of the Federal Debt was $6,2T or an 88% increase under Bush’s watch. In June 2011 the public portion was $9.7T or a 55% increase under Obama’s watch so far.

    In total debt the percent increases are 88% and 35% for Bush and Obama, respectively. Both the Republicans and Democrats are flat-out wrong when they blame each other. If you want we can simply say 1/3 of debt problems belongs to Obama, 1/3 belongs to Bush, and 1/3 belongs to the all the preceding Presidents.

    If cannot acknowledge Bush’s role in the debt problem, we will just elect another big spending moderate Republican (i.e. Romney). We need a true fiscal conservative in the White House to get us out of this mess.

  • http://www.firstchevalier.com Mark Malcolm

    Here’s the text of the email I have just sent to Mr. Frost…

    Mr. Frost,

    I invite you to join a discussion thread at RedState.com where a portion of your article titled Tea Party Taliban was excerpted.

    At issue is the idea that the current state of our union is A) in good repair thanks to the past 40-50 odd years of Democratic control in Washington DC and B) American citizens exercising their Constitutionally secured freedoms is anything like the Taliban.

    The article quote came from here…http://www.politico.com/news/stories/0711/60251.html

    and the discussion thread can be found here…http://www.redstate.com/firstchevalier/2011/07/30/the-gop-arent-the-ones-dying-on-the-hill/#comment-96

    This is a public forum, I am not an admin or moderator, and your views will be wholly included based solely on what you do or do not chose to post.

    I have copied and pasted the text of this email into the above thread to date and bookmark when I sent this email. Thank you for your time and I look forward to hearing from you.

    Mark Malcolm

  • http://www.firstchevalier.com Mark Malcolm

    I received the following email from Mr. Frost at 6:1 Eastern…

    Thanks for your email. I will be on FOX at 6:30 pm Eastern time today to discuss that matter further.

    I wasn’t able to watch the broadcast, but as soon as I find it, I’ll either post it here or do a follow up diary.

  • http://www.firstchevalier.com Mark Malcolm

    Lets look at apples to apples shall we?

    From Wikipedia’s site in the first year of Bush’s presidency (2001) the federal debt increased by 0.2% and in his second year (2002) it increased 5.5%. By comparison, Obama’s first year in office (2009) the debt increased 5.5% and in his second year (2010) it increased 12.5%.

    and

    Bush took on the War on Terror at the close of 2001 pushing his numbers up, which still goes on today.

    I’m not apologizing for Bush but lets identify out of control when we see it.

    I do agree with you we will need some fiscal sanity in the White House or we are doomed on this subject. I for one have no intention of supporting or voting for a moderate like Romney. I’ll stay home and allow four more of the same until the Moderates get it through their heads that ‘reaching across the isle’ isn’t how Reagan did it. He lead and asked others to follow, which they did and we desperately need again.

  • dajeeps

    They have been setting up the market reaction to horrid economic news as having to do with the debt ceiling debate. We all know it has to do with completely awful economic performance data, and revisions toward the lower side. But it doesn’t matter – you still see headlines like “Stocks Sink Amid Tea Party Fueled Debt Stalemate!” and you look and see the DOW dropped .05%

    Is it weighing on markets? It probably is at some level, but not as much as revision of economic data showing the recession was worse than thought, and we’re actually still in it. But they are helping Democrats pin whatever else happens in the economy on the GOP, and Tea Party specifically.

  • izoneguy

    I have sent Martin Frost’s hit piece all over….

    People are outraged – outraged that the very people who have caused all the problems are blaming the people who want to clean it up.

  • lastgopinillinois

    by the liberal MSM, there is little chance of changing the public perception.
    I commented about this in another thread on RS and someone replied…”Go to your Facebook and twitter”. What?
    The only people who listen to Rush limbaugh are believers in conservatism. Democrat voters are not reading these blogs. They are reading the Huffington puffington Post and listening to NPR. They are not looking at my Facebook page or twitter comments.
    The message has to be forced in front of them. The MSM has that sowed up.
    The least we can do is try to ABOLISH federal funding for liberal media.
    We need to gain ground on getting the message out. I will begin breathing a little easier when Conservatives have control of at least half of all MSM.

  • http://www.firstchevalier.com Mark Malcolm

    said he was going to have something to say on Fox at 6:30 PM Eastern yesterday. I haven’t been able to find anything on Fox’s website about it though.

  • http://www.firstchevalier.com Mark Malcolm

    we’re trying to sway the moderates who do read this stuff but think we’re somewhat fringe, though well-meaning.

    Anyone who believes we should be compromising or reaching across the isle is both short-sighted and has a short memory. Those same liberals who DEMAND compromise or are accusing us of ‘playing politics’ are the same ones who refused to allow conservatives in the door or debate their agenda for the past two years.

    We need to be taking advantage of our advantage, not giving it away because the other side is calling us names.

  • lastgopinillinois

    I am aware that some politicians and pundits read this website. That may do some good on the policy making side I hope. But these people are already on our side.
    I am saying we need to gain ground with the general public.
    Have you ever listened to C-Spans “Washington Journal” call-in show in the mornings.
    My God you wouldnt believe the stupid liberal comments from all the callers. You know why?
    Because all they watch is Oprah, CNN, MSNBC, PBS, NBC, CBS, ABC and all the other liberal MSM. They are not getting both sides of the arguement ever.
    And no offense to you, but if I have to hear or read the word “compromise” one more time, I think I am going to puke.

  • http://www.firstchevalier.com Mark Malcolm

    and do read this site. Your statement, ‘…they are already on our site…’ implies reference to my statement about moderates. Moderates are NOT on our side. Moderates are NOT conservatives. They don’t vote conservative, they don’t think conservative, and they carry conservative ideology. We’ve done it the moderate way, and now we need to do it the conservative way…

  • http://www.firstchevalier.com Mark Malcolm

    Thanks to the Republican’s failure to insist on a balanced budget amendment, in any form, Washington is going to insist the problem is solved and over…until it comes back.

    We are going to collapse under the weight of government spending until We The People require those in Washington to pass a balanced budget amendment. It amazes me those in Washington need an amendment to accomplish this rather than common sense, but it is Washington D.C. after all.