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President Biden needs to step up

By: flagser (Diary)  |  January 26th, 2011 at 09:47 PM  | 

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When the dust settled in our last presidential election, we as citizens had chosen Obama for president, and Biden for vice president.  In the absence of evidence that the presidential candidate met the constitutional requirements for the office, the office fell to Senator Biden.  Senator Biden was sworn in, but he mistakenly has failed to sign any of the legislation that the president should sign.

Let me state this clearly:  no valid legislation exists since the last thing signed by President Bush.  Not the Obama health care legislation or any of the rest of it.  I do not see how we can get the money back that has been spent, but, when a person fails to meet the constitutional requirements of an office, nothing that is done in exercising the powers of that office have any constitutional or legal validity.  Which means that the laws which could have been signed by the elected constitutionally valid president Biden did not become laws, since the were not signed by someone with a constitutional valid claim to the presidency within the one week that was required for them to become law.

These bills, including the health care bill must be considered as unsigned, and therefore vetoed by the president.  All of them should return to the house and senate for reconsideration, and may be passed again.

This is the consequence of having a constitution.  We live in a society of laws, and all of us are subject to these laws, even those who think the laws are for other people.  Senator Biden has so far failed to take his position as duly elected president, and until he does, all legislation will need to pass by a legislative super-majority or be vetoed by lack of the Biden presidential signature.

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  • gekster

    Just what makes Obama ineligible?
    Are you a backdoor birther?

    • flagser

      what is a backdoor birther?

      I believe that Obama is a naturally born citizen.

      look, it is in the news now, no need to hide from it. The ‘Certificate of Live birth’
      that was published by the Obama campaign is as good a proof of birth in Hawaii as a high school diploma is. Hawaii provides ‘Certificate of Live birth’ for foreigners, especially those born in the third world with no documentation. Which is fine, and a legal necessity.

      There are questions that the birthers have been asking. They demand the long form. This is the same kind of documentation that your doctor has to show each hospital before he can practice there, or a lawyer needs to show each state licensing board.

      Every modern president has provided ‘the long form’ birth certificate, publicly. Not doing so may snub the birthers, but I am trying to point out that there are deeper consequences to ignoring this precedent. The next Republican president will surely need to publicly validate Obama’s constitutional authority, ignoring this until that time has consequences.

      • powertothepeople

        and the site will be better off without your ramblings.

        And try to follow this, pay attention now, keep up………….

        He is not required by any law to produce a long form. You could spend the next 20 years of your tin foil life looking for such a law, and you will end up with nothing but the tin foil. Matters little what other people did, he did not have to. And since he met all states requirements to be on the ballot, your birther crap and nonsense about Biden being the real president holds no merit and is absolute nonsense.

        Now you may like being a tin foil fool, but keep the nonsense out of here. That is not a suggestion, it is site rules.

        • sharonmcp

          The latest tin-foil hat theory is that Obama never legally changed his name from Barry Soreto to BHO.

          So, by the powers invested in the misdirected birthers, any laws he’s signed or executive orders he’s issued, are null & void.

          • gekster

            Is there any other, besides the cirtificate thing, that is.

          • sharonmcp

            You’d have to check Hillbuzz, they’re in a full tilt frenzy about it.

          • Common_Cents

            Who knows what the situation is but I go back to principle:

            If we can’t require candidates for the highest office in the land to show original birth certificates at a bare minimum than what good is our constitution? It must be enforced or it will be lost.

            A number of states may be passing ballot eligibility requirements for the next election How is obama going to handle that?

          • flagser

            Common cents, I thought I was going to be pecked to death by ducks.

            If you do not present the right documentation in my profession, you do not get a license to practice. How is the presidency less important than looking at people’s guts?

            And I get that nobody can force the prez to do anything. But if I am a republican lawmaker who just voted to pass a bill, may I not ask for some documentation that the right guy is signing the document? What if we asked to have Biden cosign?

          • azaeroprof

            this whole thing is getting kind of amusing. First, Abercrombie gets himself elected Gov of Hawaii and makes a huge public deal about wanting to dig up the famous “long-form” and end the whole issue once and for all. Then he comes out and says he is still trying to find it. Then his reporter friend describes, in substantial detail, how Abercrombie told him there is no evidence in the state records or either of the 2 hospitals at the time of Obama’s birth. He even described how the Gov told him he didn’t actually have any memory of Barack before about the age of 5. Then this reporter claims he misspoke and never actually talked to Abercrombie. I listened to the interview with the reporter. He may have spun the whole yarn, but he definitely didn’t “misspeak”.

            So what does all this mean? I dunno. Probably nothing. I certainly don’t advocate that RedState drop its ban on birthers. But a number of states, mine (AZ) being perhaps the first, are poised to pass laws requiring candidates starting in 2012 to have to produce proof of their status as natural-born citizens and meeting the residency requirements for the presidency. Unless the courts overturn these laws, the birthers may yet get their wish.

          • azaeroprof

            By “get their wish”, I don’t mean getting Obama declared ineligible or anything like that. I just mean forcing the issue to its legal conclusion.

          • aesthete

            if the birthers were completely wrong, but if something utterly embarrassing were found in the legal proceedings?

          • azaeroprof

            I don’t think there’s anything to the eligibility issue. But I also don’t buy that Obama has gone to all this trouble fighting the lawsuits, etc., just to try to “set up” the birthers. I don’t know if it’s paternity or what, and we may never know, but I find it hard to believe that he isn’t hiding *something*.

          • 6eorge Jetson

            Obama hasn’t cleared this up by releasing the original birth certificate.

            Chris Plante on WMAL in DC speculated that it could be something like “Religion: Muslim” that’s keeping Obama from releasing.

          • http://www.thejoyofreason.com Greg Garrison

            If there is no long-form birth certificate, I think it’s most likely due to some sort of clerical error. Why is it that groups that distrust government believe that they got this right and are suppressing it for some reason? Doesn’t it make more sense that a clerk screwed up in Honolulu 50 years ago?

            Here’s snopes on the whole birth certificate issue. Why would both of Honolulu’s major papers have printed a birth announcement for something that took place in Kenya (or published BHO Sr as dad when Frank Marshall Davis is on the birth certificate or whatever)? Maybe they didn’t! I’ll bet former KGB agents snuck into their archives and inserted forged newspapers from the early sixties! No, wait. That’s not it. The parents, in league with Dr. Extevious and his Atlantean mind-masters (and directed by Josef Stalin’s secret love child with Eva Braun), intricately plotted a path for their child that would lead him inevitably to the White House, and they had to ensure that he would be eligible, but because their agent at the registrar’s office failed to slip in the copy of…whatever…I can’t even finish that thought because it’s too stupid.

            This diary entry is ridiculous, perhaps the silliest iteration of birtheresque lunacy yet.

            (Comment title is borrowed from the title of an awesome book by pop science writer and professional skeptic Michael Shermer.)

          • http://www.thejoyofreason.com Greg Garrison

            The long-form birth certificate lists Lyudmilla Iosfovna Braun (Stalin’s love child w/ Eva Braun) and Idi Amin as the parents, and the birth took place in international waters on a yacht co-owned by Howard Hughes and Simon Bolivar’s descendants. Josef Mengele was the physician whose signature appears on the birth certificate. Elvis sang his best Christmas carols and gospel tunes immediately after the birth, which is why he was kidnapped and replaced with a body double (He actually died in a gulag). We’ve got Nazis, African dictators, Elvis, Russians, and…um, we don’t have aliens. There was a recon team from Planet X there too. They said that the baby looked like he would do a great job putting their plan in place to take over the world. That’s why Joe Biden is really President. Yeah.

          • powertothepeople

            who comes to the site, puts up birther nonsense, then claims to be a doctor or lawyer.

            Do you think that makes us ohh and ahh and causes us to assume to you must be so much smarter than the rest of us?

            I know you tin foil idiots can never see the truth that is punching you in the mouth, but try for once. All your nonsense is bogus, lame, and BS. He was certified in every state to be eligible to run for president. All your “Biden is president, Obama’s signature does not count” is not only moronic, but has to be hands down the dumbest thing I have heard to date, period. He does not have to prove anything to legislators, he does not have to verify anything to them, he proved his status to every state, and your nonsense is about as stupid as I have seen to date.

            If you are a doctor/lawyer stop practicing. It is a guarantee that you will end up sued for doing something stupid and I say that with absolute certainty based on what you have typed here.

            And by the way, imbeciles would not know a duck peck from common sense. Be careful of your insults, it is too easy to tear you apart “doc!”

          • powertothepeople

            their new rules would not apply to a sitting president since he has already passed every states eligibility requirements already.

            So to answer your question, he will not care what they pass as it will not affect him one iota.

            And where were you and the rest of your certificate friends when no president to date has been asked or required to show one. Humm? Where was your constitutional outrage before now?

            He met requirements standards of all states, all this nonsense is stupid, and you may not want to appear as a birther Common Cents, but a few of your posts lately show you are dead middle of the tin foil birther boat.

          • Common_Cents

            Is that in the various states eligibility proposals? I haven’t reviewed any of the proposals in detail so do not know whether or not Obama would be exempt as a sitting President. Please provide some links if that is the case.

            Ooooh because I can talk about the subject I am a dreaded birther. Review your posts, you are sounding pretty hostile and paranoid.

            If you have read my previous posts you will see that I don’t mind fringe groups taking on fringe subjects. The mainstream R’s/conservatives don’t have to get involved as they largely are not. Fringe groups (Bush is dumb, Bush is a criminal blah blah blah) did much to discredit Bush especially when he did not respond.

            Having said that, going forward if we can’t even require our President and frankly any member of high govt office, congress to show original proof of citizenship as eligibility we just ask for trouble. The info doesn’t even have to be made public necessarily, but at least to election boards/FEC etc…Trust but verify.

            Geez I gotta show more ID to get into a freakin bar for a drink or cash a check or do a number of things in daily life than I do running for high office? Doesn’t make much sense to me.

            I’ve always said I don’t care of certain groups pursue this, it’s not a central pursuit by R’s or conservatives. Show me where I’ve held that obama is not a citizen, if so ban me, if not keep your birther derangement syndrome paranoia to yourself.

            My personal view is there is probably something that would cast some doubt on Obama, perhaps to do with religion or name, not even citizenship. Or it may be nothing w/ the birth cert but if he disclosed that, he’d be pressured to disclose records later in life where he was named Barry Soeterro etc…anecdotes say people knew him as Barry and he may/may not have at least used the name on records and may/may not have been listed in college for foreign student aid?

            There is something questionable there aside from citizenship. I say let the fringe pursue it if they wish. To say Obama sat down with his advisors to invent this whole thing to embarrass whoever would challenge him is something of fiction.

            It’s one thing to call out single issue birther people that come here and wail about it non stop, it’s another to get paranoid and hostile to a member who has been here for over 4 years that can discuss it occasionally without someone being accusational while foaming at the mouth.

            Read my over 4 year history and then click the reply below for your apology.

          • powertothepeople

            and yet no meaning.

            Now since you call yourself common cents, I am going to assume you can keep up with a reply made in line form so that I do not have to waste my time lecturing you back.

            A) He is eligible, period

            B) He will remain eligible in 2012

            C) No state will remove him

            D) I could care less that you claim you are OK with having fringe groups deal with fringe efforts. You are the one who furthered the tin foil diarist writings with your own tin foil nonsense. And I quote:
            “If we can

  • flagser

    so let me get this right.
    even if I believe that Obama was born in Hawaii, but I believe that his credentials must be verified, I am a ‘Birther’.

    I understand that ’9-11 truthers’ believe that the US blew up the twin towers.
    so if someone said “we do not need to investigate the twin tower disaster scene or the downed aircraft” anyone who disagreed with that is a ’9-11 truther’?

    we need to use common sense. Republicans are good at that. Like Reagan said “trust but verify”.

    I am hearing that since Obama does not want to publish his birth certificate, we should just give up. Complete nonsense. Say the truth, let the cards fall where they may

  • Zaber

    I’m going to bet that there’s at least 1 more diary out there that would be better served being listed on the front page than this drivel.

  • Zaber

    Really? I can get a million dollars in just 2 weeks by following your simple plan? How? Get elected and earmark it to myself?

  • flagser

    to those of you readers who are adults in charge in your real life,
    I assume that many of you work the same way I do.

    When I take over responsibility for a new laboratory, the first thing I do is read through every document, starting with the ones I am least sure of. I read the documentation, and if I have to leave the process in place, I find supporting research and documentation for it. If I cannot find supporting research, I have to drop the process.

    I assume that Engineers in charge of their shops, Executives in charge of their companies, and other Scientists work the same way. When you are the person who signs on the line, you need to understand the documentation and what is going on in your shop.

    A president taking over for Obama will be faced with, among other things, the Obama care act. If he works like me, he will need to verify that what the legislation demands is being done and will need to take responsibility for it. Before he or she does so, he will need to know that the person who signed it really met the constitutional requirement for presidency. Ask yourself, do you really know this well enough to stake lives on it? Would you forgo a simple check to be sure?

    I believe that Obama is our legit president, but if it turns out that he cannot be verified to be legit–even if he was actually born in Hawaii–what happens then.

    Pretending there is no issue here does not make the issue go away. Boehner is going to work hard to pass legislation, does he not have the right and responsibility to verify the constitutionality of the person signing this legislation into law? Are we really so not intellectually curious as to wonder about this?

    • flagser

      thanks for an adult point of view, Zaber,
      but I disagree.

      I have in the past worked with people who faked their credentials.

      they managed to work as doctors without ever having obtained a license. In each case, eventually, a bad patient outcome triggered an investigation, which uncovered the lack of credentials.

      what happened next was that all the outstanding prescriptions that the individual had written were canceled, and we called in all of the patients, purged their records, redid physical exams, and updated them. Even if correct, the non-credentialed physican’s documents were considered fraudulent, and removed from the official patient record.

      • Zaber

        If you want Congress to work on some constitutional amendment that will require a new President to present them with his long form birth certificate, call your congressman.

        As far as Barack Obama, he is the President, and nobody besides tin foil hats are questioning his eligibility.

        If you continue along the lines of arguing on this birther nonsense (and it IS birther nonsense, since you keep insisting on the long form of his birth certificate), someone with authority here on Redstate is going to get bored very quickly and cross your name out. We are here to get conservatives elected, not to perpetuate conspiracy theories.

      • http://www.thejoyofreason.com Greg Garrison
        • flagser

          ok, so lets say Obama was born in the US,
          but his birth certificate cannot be found–which seems to be the case.

          at some point, we have to assume that this will come to light,
          and be decided upon by some court or authority.

          if they find him eligible to be president, all fine. But let’s say there
          is inadequate evidence that he meets the constitutional requirements
          for eligibility.

          Greg points out that he was still sworn in. Good point.
          Does this mean that, eligible or not, he is still the president and therefore his signature is good? or does this mean that he was not president, Biden was president, and the legislation was vetoed.

          is there a lawyer out there that can answer this question?
          (no offense, Greg, you seem smart enough, I am just wondering if there is some known precedent for this)

          • Zaber

            You are still marking birther arguments, which are strictly forbidden by the site’s rules.

            Its a very simple point. There are forums for discussing this kind of nonsense – Redstate is not one of them.

    • powertothepeople

      and move on to another subject. This site does not tolerate this type of nonsense so I am giving you the best advice I can. If you continue in this nonsense, Bill, Neil, Moe or another fine mod will visit your profile and remove you from the site.

      But while you are waiting to either be banned or move on to another subject, how about you research the constitution and find where it says he needs to produce a long form birth certificate to be legit. You can want it all day long, in fact for the rest of your tin foil life, it still does not change the fact he proved himself a legitimate contender to all 5o states, he proved himself a citizen to the same, he has provided all necessary proof required to put him on the ballot, and so all this crap you wrote has no basis in reality, is not valid, and is absolute nonsense that does nothing but make us and our cause look like fools.

      And I could care less what you do with your walmart chemistry lab, it does not apply to the rules to being qualified to be president.

      So once more, move on to another subject as this one is pure nonsense.

      PS Until you show us where in the constitution that A) he is not qualified to be president ( and do not attempt to pull the citizen birther crap) and B) where it requires him to produce a long form birth certificate and C)where the states violated law in deeming him eligible to be on the ballot for president, stop pushing your nonsense. The reality in your head is not the reality that is.

  • Zaber

    He is the president. All sane people accept it, even if they don’t like it. The only people who don’t accept that are the birthers, and they will never accept it.

    Focus on the future and what the GOP can do from this day forward, not on whether someone might possibly prove someday down the road that Obama wasn’t born in Hawaii, please.

  • streiff

    I fear the collective IQ of the site has been at least temporarily impaired by the nonsense on this thread.

    This diary is closed.