“Moderate” has more than one meaning


This appeared in only slightly different format as a comment on a front page column, responding to the question, “What is a moderate?” Due to overwhelming popular demand (Penguin and Jaded) I’m posting it here with only slight modification….

“Moderate” is a label other people apply to someone more frequently than they apply it to themselves. I notice that it isn’t often applied to Democrats, and nobody cares about that. In general, it means “not fully committed,” so maybe many of us are moderate in the literal sense when all the issues are considered. However…

A moderate Democrat might be one who doesn’t believe that Barack Obama can walk on water. Or he might be one who acknowledges that ACORN’s main political purpose is to use all means available, including illegal ones, to defeat Republicans at every election. But he still believes in taxing the rich and spending what’s left after the government gets its cut on “the poor,” and he believes that will work for the country.

A moderate Republican might be one who is pro-choice, or one who is in favor of government health insurance subsidies for people who can’t buy their own. But he still knows that raising tax rates from current levels will not result in higher tax revenues, and he knows that the expansion of government and its accompanying tax burden is a stultifying burden on the country.

But the Democrat who recognizes that running a trillion dollar deficit for ten years is the path to national irrelevancy for the US, and who recognizes that the government can’t be all things for all people, has gone beyond moderation–he’s almost found his way to sanity. And the Republican who is pro-choice AND believes that the stimulus has been a good thing AND thinks the government health option and takeover might be a good thing AND supports Cap-and-Tax AND is pro Card Check AND is supported by ACORN and George Soros, is also beyond moderation. She has crossed over into the land where reality is a social construct, not a fact of life. These are the Media Moderates.” They are on the brink of switching parties. But they aren’t the “Independent Moderates,” who are officially unaffiliated with either major party.

Independent Moderates are vaguely interested in political issues, and they may have decided to vote for the Democrats or the Republicans, but they couldn’t explain to you why they made those decisions in a way that will pass a ‘reasonableness’ test. It’s impossible to reason with an Independent Moderate because they generally don’t understand what’s going on.

So, I’d say the Media Moderates the press likes to talk about may not exist except in the guise of a small number of folks who are in the process of realigning themselves with a different party anyway. Real-life Moderate Republicans and Democrats are generally in accord with their party’s tenets, and they aren’t about to switch, or to be booted out, either.

Interesting that the press never seems to care about the other end of either party (well, not of the Democrats, anyway). The Extremists are the ones who are almost off the party reservation because they think their party hasn’t been true to its own principles. Those are certainly the people the Republicans are in danger of losing, yet nobody notices that on Sunday morning, and there are a lot more of them than there are “moderate” Republicans threatening to leap left. Extremists are also the Democrats that Obama is most worried about losing. Why else would he be so worried about doing the right thing in Afghanistan, the course he decided upon last March?

To sum up, Extremists are people who are actually thinking about current problems and issues. They are strongly in opposition to each other, but they know what they believe and why they believe it. They deserve respect, not derision.  Yet all the attention and concern is directed to Media and Independent Moderates.

Ya’ know what? I credit Obama and the Democrats because they are worried about losing their Extremists. They recognize that without them, they don’t have a party base. If only the Republicans can catch on soon.


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When I hear "moderate" I think liberal...because the most extreme Pro Abortion position is called moderate...

AceInTX Tuesday, November 3rd at 2:20PM EST (link)

the biggest of the big spenders in Congress are called “Moderate.

The highest taker of the big taxers are described as “Moderate”

there is no extreme left…there is only extreme “right wingers”…and “moderates”

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Moderates: The Center and Geometry

Swamp_Yankee Tuesday, November 3rd at 3:15PM EST (link)

There are few aboslutes in politics, but as long as parameters of teh poltical debate shift, the definition of moderate will always shift. The term moderate means nothing. Its just a juxtapostion between two defined points. Its a compromising state of mind.

The real battle isfinding and pitching the defined points. The Left has long pitched the far Left way out, while pitching the far Right as Rush Limbaugh and Bill O’Reilly, thus defining the center and thus defining the moderate.

The mor points on a map and the bigger the map becomes, the easier it becomes to ascertain the real center. But we are far from that.

A moderate in Massachusetts is much different than a moderate in Oklahoma just like a moderate in 2008 is different than a moderate in 2009.

 

sometimes it is just style

AKSteveB Friday, November 6th at 3:09AM EST (link)

I doubt that Dennis Prager and Rush disagree on much politically, but I connect better with Prager’s more cerebral style (as an example).. It comes across as more “moderate”

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another thought about moderates

pilgrim Friday, November 6th at 11:35AM EST (link)

I have heard somewhere that there are three kinds of people in the US Congress…Democrats, Republican, and appropriators.
The ones who are members of the appropriation committees are what I would call moderates, and I am Ok with that. There are times when you draw a line, and refuse to ever accept anything less than what you want. The work done by appropriators is always conceding to getting only part of what you want instead of everything you want.
Watching appropriators is a lot like watching sausage being made. It is not pretty.

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Flag', Gamecock must run a blog up the staff to discuss extremists, but as to "moderates", that is

Mike gamecock DeVine Monday, November 9th at 5:01PM EST (link)

Flag’, Gamecock must run a blog up the staff to discuss extremists, but as to “moderates”, that is

a matter of degree, and is why I prefer not to label some people/politicians. I like to label policies.

As usual, your columns make me think, and after 6 days, I finally understand what was nagging at me about this column but it requires a column to fully express.

A tease: I don’t think there is any comparison between

the numbers of actual extremists on the right and left
ditto in the dem party vs GOP
that the extremists control the dem party
and right wing extremists have never even had a voice in the GOP

column this week
could be in 5 minutes or 5 days

GC is tired

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I'll look for it.

Flagstaff Thursday, November 12th at 12:53AM EST (link)

I have had one bouncing around my brain since July, but it just won’t bounce out.

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Also, about 'extremists."

Flagstaff Thursday, November 12th at 1:38AM EST (link)

If moderate Republicans share some beliefs with Democrats, and vice versa, what does ‘extremist’ mean in regards to Republicans and Democrats? Seriously.

Wouldn’t an extreme D or R just be one who adheres completely to all the party platform? What is wrong with that? Was that what Goldwater had in mind?

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Moderate Independents

mchik1 Friday, November 6th at 2:15PM EST (link)

I disagree with the article’s definition of Independent Moderate (or Moderate Independent) because it doesn’t apply to me. I am very interested in politics and well-versed on the issues. However, I am disillusioned by both political parties. I dislike the Obamacrats and Fabian socialists, but Bush, the Religious Right, and the neocons pushed me out of the other camp. Unfortunately, we have incompetents, hypocrites, crooks. and fanatics on both sides. Last time, I voted a split ticket ( the old saw about “voting for the man”). All red staters should be thoroughly familiar with “the iron law of oligarchy.”

Thanks for writing, mchik1.

Flagstaff Friday, November 6th at 2:57PM EST (link)

To help with reference, here’s what I wrote:

But they aren’t the “Independent Moderates,” who are officially unaffiliated with either major party.

Independent Moderates are vaguely interested in political issues, and they may have decided to vote for the Democrats or the Republicans, but they couldn’t explain to you why they made those decisions in a way that will pass a ‘reasonableness’ test. It’s impossible to reason with an Independent Moderate because they generally don’t understand what’s going on.

Written off the cuff, I wouldn’t defend this definition to the death, but I’ll make a few comments about your response. You probably don’t belong officially to either party (”pushed me out of the other camp”), but that would be the least of your disagreement, I imagine.

“Unfortunately, we have incompetents, hypocrites, crooks. and fanatics on both sides. Last time, I voted a split ticket ( the old saw about “voting for the man”).” That amounts to “a pox on both houses.” And voting a split ticket doesn’t make anybody a moderate.

The comment about oligarchy may be appropriate, but I don’t know how, unless you are suggesting nihilism and anarchy as the way to go.

If you want to be persuasive, show us all by writing a diary illustrating that your decision to call yourself a Moderate can “pass a ‘reasonableness’ test.” Or don’t even bother, and I will take your word for it that you “understand what’s going on.”

I could certainly be wrong, and my statement could seem way too broad and all-encompassing. I was definitely referring to the Independent Moderates that the media insists Republicans should be compromising their principles to attract. I stand by my definition, in that context. So, maybe it doesn’t apply to you.

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Thanks for your thoughtfulness!

mchik1 Friday, November 6th at 6:32PM EST (link)

Political commissars will ruin the GOP. When you “purge” so-called “moderates,” you end up losing elections. In my county and state , you cannot be a Republican candidate unless you pass muster with the Religious Right (Fundamentalist Protestants). That’s why the Republicans lost two Congressional seats, the State Legislature, and the Governorship. It is true that the Democrats have screwed up, and should be thrown out. But, the Republicans haven’t recruited enough good candidates to defeat them. If you believe in Separation of Church and State, our local GOP commissars don’t want you.

mckik1 please point out "Separation of Church and State" in the Constitution for me. nt

Aaron Gardner Friday, November 6th at 6:50PM EST (link)

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conform and celebrate diversity….or else!!!

 

By the way mchik1, are you even a republican? nt

Aaron Gardner Friday, November 6th at 7:02PM EST (link)

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Nobody "purged" Dede.

Flagstaff Thursday, November 12th at 1:34AM EST (link)

Voters decided on their own to vote for the other candidates.

She decided on her own to endorse the Democrat.

I saw her on TV today (couldn’t hear what she was saying), and CNN identified her with an “R.”

If Dede had truly been a moderate Republican, she wouldn’t have had the problem. Being more of a moderate Democrat, she lost.

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