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Control is the Disease, Minimum Wage the Symptom, Freedom the Cure

Few probably took note of this article by Diana Furchtgott-Roth.  It is worth the read.

President Obama did promise to raise the minimum wage during his campaign.  His reading the article is doubtful.  This is unfortunate, since Ms. Furchgott-Roth is an expert in labor economics, and her point is valid not just for American Samoa, but for America as a whole.

In 2007, Congress voted for and began raising the minimum wage.  In just over two months, the minimum wage will be raised again, to $7.25 per hour from 2008′s raise to $6.55 per hour.

Anyone with a high school understanding of economics knows or can understand what the minimum wage is:  It is an artificial “price floor” for labor.  A price floor, as the name indirectly suggests, is a certain minimum price at which none of a product or service can be found.  There are some natural price floors, but as a general rule they are artificial; that is, a government, regulatory body or trade association sets these price floors, not the consumer.

Companies set price floors by production levels.  At certain levels of supply, the the amount of demand will naturally be match that supply at a certain price.  This is a “natural” price floor: Producers could produce more, but they want a higher price.  Producers of collectibles attempt to take advantage of natural price floors with “limited edition” products.  Super-luxury automobiles the same (seriously, how much better is a Rolls Royce compared to a Lincoln?).

Regulatory bodies also set price floors.  When OPEC sets oil production at a certain number of barrels per year, it is attempting to take advantage of an artificial price floor.  Milk producers in the United States are sometimes limited in production by regulators to ensure profitability in that industry.  Farm subsidies encourage higher prices by paying farmers to not grow food.  Environmentalists have endorsed raising taxes on oil to ensure a price floor and encourage us to use less gasoline and home heating oil.

Governments can also set direct artificial price floors, and that is the essence of the minimum wage.  Government assures a certain wage level either by regulation or legislative fiat.  “Below this price, one may not employ labor.”

There is a significant problem with the minimum wage that the President needs to recognize: It assumes the same level of employment both before and after its implementation.  This is ridiculous!  The resources available to employers is the same both before and after the minimum wage increases.  In order to maintain employment, something must be cut somewhere else.  If other expenditures and investments are not cut, employment must be, or the owners of the business must accept that their profits (and therefore, their wealth) will decrease.  No matter what, somebody loses.

Enacting the minimum wage has reprocussions that are easily foreseen but willfully or purposely ignored by politicians.  The change in cost of resources forces employers to make choices: They must reshuffle the makeup of their inputs (that is, raw materials, labor and energy) in order to maintain profitability.  Since re-engineering a product or investing in more efficient production equipment requires the use of even more resources, the easiest thing to do when dealing with a minimum wage hike is to reduce the number of employees or the number of hours and require more productivity from those still working.

This is not supposition on the part of the author, it is economic fact as seen in Diana Furchtgott-Roth’s commentary.  When the minimum wage increased on American Samoa, the Tuna industry pulled up stakes and moved its production elsewhere.  If one prefers, the aggregate data for each month shows how unemployment had stabilized and was slowly and consistently falling from its peak in early 2003–until the minimum wage hike occurred.  Taking a close look at the data is revealing: Unemployment began rising in early 2007, just after the hike was passed by Congress and long before the recession began in December 2007 or Quarter 3 2008 (depending on the chosen definition of “recession”).

Businesses are founded for a particular purpose: They provide a valuable product or service to consumers in exchange for money, which is then used to develop and produce more products, pay their employees for their labor and to enrich the owner’s personal wealth.  They do not exist simply to break-even.  That is called “charity,” and neither businesses or charities are founded to lose money.  Because of this, when costs increase, both charities and businesses increase revenues or, if revenues cannot be increased, they reduce costs.  As discussed previously, labor is one of the easier costs to reduce.  Unemployment rises, and once again, everyone loses.

Businesses have another option, of course.  They can move their operations elsewhere.  This was seen again in Ms. Furchtgott-Roth’s commentary.  One of the two major Tuna producers moved its operations entirely out of American Samoa to Georgia.  They are hoping to take advantage of proximity to customers now that their labor cost advantage is gone.  Usually it works the other way around: Factories and service centers leave the United States in search of cheaper labor in Asia and Central America.  America’s loss is the rest of the world’s gain.

As one can see, the minimum wage, intended as a way to help American labor maintain a better standard of living, has actually driven away industry, increased unemployment and caused greater suffering than anyone is ever willing to admit.  Hikes in the minimum wage increase unemployment, reduce prosperity during economic expansion and exacerbate economic downturns.  The solution is not an increase in the minimum wage, as the President suggested during his campaign, but rather to stop raising it (or better yet, eliminate it).  This well-intentioned but horribly naive price floor system is harmful to our economy and to our continued prosperity.  By eliminating it, businesses can reduce costs and afford to employ more labor than with the minimum wage in place.

COMMENTS

  • mom2oneson

    So what is the conservative answer to wages that are too low to survive on or sweat shops? $7/hour is not enough to survive on.

    This is one thing I think about a lot when the socialist were criticizing the factories with women working long hours why weren’t the Christians there first. History would be totally different now. What is the conservative answer too. Should things disability and benefits and other government mandated benefits be done away with too? Are you just against the min wage hike because you believe it has bad consequences or should gov be out of private business/labor all together?

    Now in the US we have contract work where the contractors are treated like employees and it seems even worse because they aren’t guaranteed minimum wage.

    I don’t understand blaming the minimum wage on higher unemployment even if it means they let go of people. What the new businesses providing the same service or product? That seems like a big jump. It seems like things like taxes or less of a demand would be more of a reason than minimum wage jumping up. I guess it depends how many employees recieve minimum wage? Unless it makes all the wages move up? That just seems like a big jump to me and then to lead that to decreased life expectancy. I think it’s a big jump to say minimum wage hike = the unemployment in 07 too. If anything it seems many companies that have many minimum wage employees are doing very well and hiring are and are kind of counter cyclical to the economy.

    • http://www.fredsnews.com Fred Maidment

      Minimum wage is just one part of the equation. You’re right, taxes and relative demand have an effect on employment.

      Let’s face it: There are employees whose productivity is not worth $6.55 an hour. Do you like the fact that government places an artificial price floor on consumer goods milk and gasoline? Do you realize how much more you pay for those two products because of government interference in the market?

      Business managers face the same issue with labor: They are forced to pay more for labor than it is worth. They must make a decision: Lower profits or fewer employees. Businesses exist to make a profit for their owners. Guess which one usually ends up being cut?

      What is even more insidious (and I don’t cover this in my commentary) is that labor unions often index their wages to the minimum wage. So if the minimum wage goes up, so does union pay.

      Here’s a concept: How would you like minimum prices for housing? “You can’t buy that house for $150,000. Three bedroom houses have a minimum price of $200,000.”

      • mom2oneson

        Well I think housing prices are already inflated because of public assistance.

        If an employee isn’t productive he should be fired. That doesn’t have anything to do with minimum wage. There are employees earning 10x that amount that aren’t as productive as they should be either. I don’t see how that is relevant.

        I guess I don’t understand paying more for labor than what it’s worth. Do you mean an employee that does nothing or paying more for labor than what it’s worth because the job even at normal production isn’t worth minimum wage?

        This does solve something for me I never understood. With jobs I have worked there is always what I thought were impossible goals set for effeciency (to the point where accuracy would suffer and it ends up costing the employer way more if even one mistake is made) and it was given so much weight. Now I understand where that push comes from.

        Thanks for replying :) I’m very interested on the conservative answer to this.

        I did know about milk and I knew gasoline had lots of tax on it. I don’t use much gaslone so I don’t pay attention to gas prices but I understand how it drives prices for other things I do consume or use especially food.

        • http://www.fredsnews.com Fred Maidment

          …rather, it is heavily regulated to constrict supply, forcing up prices.

          As for your second paragraph, that’s pretty much exactly my point: There are jobs that are only worth $4.50/hr to an employer (in terms of their value to the business), but the employer must now pay those people $6.55/hr (soon to be $7.25/hr). As a result, the employer must pay more than the job is worth, or do without an employee and have other employees pick up the slack.

          Your experience with massively high efficiency expectations is at least partially symptomatic of this. Sure, there are other reasons for unreasonable expectations (bad metrics, poor understanding of the business model, etc), but labor costs in excess of their value forces businesses to increase efficiency goals, as you describe.

          • mom2oneson

            $4.50 or $7 an hour is not enough to pay someone to survive on. This might be where I part with conservatism. There has to be a conservative answer to what the big name communist writers were criticizing other than paying people not even enough to survive on for the business to function.

          • Brian Hibbert

            The vast majority of people who are working them aren’t trying to support a family (or shouldn’t be). They are your son, when he gets old enough to get a part time job. They are my son who just graduated HS and is heading to college next year. Etc. They work to get gas money, date money, and some job experience.

            The living wage nonsense is a myth perpetrated by the Dems. People who work part time for minimum wage are typically just making a few bucks while they prepare for their “real” job.

          • Mike gamecock DeVine

            any employee you hired had to be paid enough to pay a mortgage, car payment, gasoline, utilities, food, etc for a family of four!

            quite ridiculous, amen

          • mom2oneson

            for places to pay $12 or $15/hour instead of $7 or $8? I’m not talking about people buying a house in the suburbs with a new suv. Basic living expenses like food, shelter, electricity, work clothing and shoes, some form of transportation and basic health care like a sore throat visit or birthday well child check up.(which now is at crazy prices for even healthy kids visits due to medicaid and insurance)

          • Brian Hibbert

            OK, let’s double the minimum wage in a thought exercise…..

            When you double the minimum wage to $15/hour, how will the manager of the McDonald’s or Pizza Hut or any other business down the road react? Remember that one of their major costs of doing business has just doubled…..

            There are really only 5 possible reactions to a doubling of input labor costs.
            1. Quit providing labor intensive services or outsource more of the services to other lower wage countries.
            2. Raise prices.
            3. Reduce the number of people working any specific shift and expect the remaining workers to pick up the slack.
            4. Automate to reduce the number of workers required.
            5. Close the business.

            In fact. most businesses will choose a combination of these 5 items, McDonalds will close stores that are no longer profitable, outsource the precooking of hamburger patties to Mexico, quit doing the “double check for accuracy”, raise the price of all menu items, and cut total staff hours.

            The end result is that there are more unemployed or underemployed people paying a higher price for inferior products that can no longer be produced profitably in the USA.

            And they STILL won’t make enough to make ends meet because the price of everything has doubled.

          • Brian Hibbert

            But this is what’s wrong with most progressive or socialist ideology. It sounds really good on the surface, but when you actually look at what happens when implemented the result is usually badness of a significant order.

            “Living wage” sounds really great on the surface, but when you look at how a business would react to the policy, you realize that the unintended consequences are far worse than the problem they’re intending to solve and it doesn’t solve the problem.

          • mom2oneson

            What about the people that aren’t on their way up? Don’t employers not want high turnover? Is the answer to have everyone skilled? Where would they get the full time unskilled workers from if everyone went to college/votech school?

          • Brian Hibbert

            There is a difference between minimum wage and what the employers pay. If they’re paying someone min. wage, and the person has ANY ambition at all, they will have to give them a raise after a few months, or the person will move on.

            But if you want to know what the pool of potential employees is if everyone went to school (currently unrealistic), it’s those same people while they are going to school and after school while they are looking for a job in their chosen field.

            And there’s another force at work as well, at least when employment is higher. The fast food restaurants in my area were already paying above $7/hour before the state raised the min wage from $5.75 to $7. Frankly, they couldn’t attract enough workers at $5.75. The market forced them to pay more to get workers, not the government. This is how the wage market should work.

          • Mike gamecock DeVine

            that all liberals make and which leads them down the wrong road, and that is that some “system” can be devised with the right bureaucrats to make heaven on earth so that everyone has the perfect economic life.

            not possible

            after 5000 years, as Buckley said, we have reached some conclusions. The evidence is in. Free market capitalism makes the most prosperous society for all, by far.

            For perfection, see the afterlife.

          • Mike gamecock DeVine
          • Mike gamecock DeVine

            what the living wage proposal does is prevent the creation of the wealth that is required in the first place to fund not just wages but also the taxes to fund government

            variations of this living wage scheme has been tried since time began and has failed miserably everytime

            there is no law that can be passed that will spread wealth around enough to make all people happy because the laws that do that prevent people from taking the risks and expending the energy in the first place to create any jobs

            this is fundamental

          • mom2oneson

            Now from reading Brian’s post I don’t know if living wage is the answer. Minimum wage of $7 or $8 per hour is not living wage though. It’s not room & board wage either.

            This definately needs to be solved though. The socialist/communist would have nothing to say if we provided a solution to this thing in capitalism that there is the possibility of bad working conidtions and wages not even enough to survive on.
            I think it’s awful it was an atheiest that came up with a (bad) solution and not a Christian, history would be totally different. It should have been the Christians speaking out against those working conditions.

          • http://andrightlyso.com/ civil_truth

            Marx saw that capitalism was breaking down because of exploitation of the poor in sweatshops and what amounted to wage slavery. He fully expected an uprising. However, he cast his analysis in terms of the Hegelian dialectic and predicted that the workers would rise up against their industrial overlords.

            Have you ever wondered why Marxism found root in Russia, which was a preindustrial society rather than in industrial nations. With respect to Russia, Lenin mutated Marx’s ideas by introducing his totalitarian ideas out of his Russian heritage – so you had a variant that Marx never anticipated – nor did he anticipate the horrendous state that emerged from that toxic brew.

            In the industrial West, however, it was Christians in Britain and elsewhere (and in the U.S. too) who advocated for and effected changes that coopted and superceded the Marxian critiques, reforming the captialist system to enable it to prosper and to transform the 20th century.

            So in brief, Marx was wrong in his prediction and solution; Christians were the real reformers. Meanwhile, Lenin transmuted Marx into a political system that exterminated millions of citizens, created an illegitimate political system run by a self-appointed “vanguard” that never could surmount the rule of force, and created a self-destructive economy that finally collapsed and that has served as the model for multiple other crashed or crashing economies.

          • Mike gamecock DeVine

            has been far and away best solved in America almost from the beginning. By 1840 we had the best standard of living in the history of the world.

            You see mom, “this problem” is endemic because man left the garden.

            It is quite easy to criticize America if one is ignorant of all the rest of the world today and in history. We are the worst system ever except for all the others!

            It isn’t close.

          • molybdanthan

            I heard somewhere that the only people in the government not able to join the Federal Employees Union are the poor souls who work in the Capitol Building. Another example of Congress exempting themselves from what they foist upon the rest of us. Just like their health care and retirement packages. A diamond-encrusted golden parachute when an anvil would better serve them. If the nation does go under, they’ll be easy to spot. They’ll be the ones in the lifeboats.

          • mom2oneson

            but this weakness or vulnerability in capitalism that has the possibility of people in sweat shops without gov intervention needs to be sovled.

          • Mike gamecock DeVine

            that free market capitalism has dealt with best BY FAR over all other systems.

          • http://impudent.blognation.us/blog kyle8

            of industrialization. They happen even if the nation is socialistic (India) or communistic (China).

            After an economy matures, and becomes consumer oriented then the sweatshops disappear on their own because labor begins to demand higher wages and working conditions.

            Of course you can reverse this, like we do, by importing millions of third world workers. But not forever, eventually even those new immigrants begin to demand more wages.

      • mom2oneson

        I’m not feeling well but this is really interesting to me. I’ve been thinking about what y’all have written just wasn’t able to reply. :) I’m reading what you take the time to write if not posting. :)

        • Brian Hibbert
        • http://www.ssce.net/Web-Articles/Web-articles-indexed-authors.html#authors-l JLenardDetroit

          and now the Democrats are finally getting around to that discussion….

          It’s the same for both, Government interference in the Markets and meddling where it has NO authority. Democrats talk up the Minimum wage on the one hand and support Illegal Immigration for below Min.Wage (Slave wages) in some sectors of the Economy.

          Lower wage jobs are not meant to live on but for younger unskilled people to gain some work experience, hopefully transferable skills (one doesn’t just learn how to flip burgers at a McDonalds if the person is worth anything and serious about wanting to move on/up to better paying jobs), etc…. all working toward EARNING a better future for themselves.

          Look in our USB port… I uploaded some Chicken Soup there ;-) lol

    • itrytobenice

      There are kids who are graduating from high school today who don’t know proper grammar, can’t do math, can’t count money, have no work ethics, have no guidance from home, have substance abuse problems, etc.

      Pretend like you are an employer who runs a cabinet shop and one of them comes in and wants a job. Are you going to pay them $400 bucks per week (and it’s every bit of that with min. wage, FICA, Unemployment taxes and workers comp taxes) when you don’t know?

      They are sincerely standing there telling you that they want to change. They know they don’t have any skills, but they just need a chance to prove themselves. You really need more hands on deck to feed trim into machines, sand boards, etc., but you know they don’t know anything about working at all. They’ve never done it and they’ve never seen it modeled by their parents.

      In the old days, they would have been given an apprenticeship. Maybe room and board until they could prove themselves. They learned a trade and if they really did apply themselves, they became masters.

      Now? Employers are required to say no just because they can’t take that chance. No one who wants to stay in business can take that kind of financial or legal risks. Employment law is a tightrope in the best of circumstances, but with unskilled, troubled young men it is more like landmines.

      That’s why the minority teen unemployment rate is over 50%, which feeds into the gang culture, drugs, crime, etc. When these kids try, there are enormous road blocks in their faces and they frequently just take the well worn path that so many others have trod.

      And the North did it to the South deliberately. When the industrial North was losing jobs and businesses to the poor South in the beginnings of the last century, they passed a minimum wage job to keep them from being able to do it. They preferred to South to live with the other minimum wage (Zero) than to lose any of their jobs to competition.

      And that is still going on today. The unions would prefer to keep low wage competition at bay, so they buy Democrats to do it with.

      And no, you can’t raise a family on minimum wage, but some people don’t have sufficient skills to make enough money to raise a family. Should they therefore be prevented from making anything? From learning those skills from someone willing to teach them? From a chance at a better life?

      • Rod_Patrick
      • Achance

        that was used to reduce or eliminate competiion from cheap Southern labor. Prevailing wage laws, the Davis-Bacon Act, and state analogs to the D-B to this day not only hold wages in the unionized states above the levels in the non-union states but hold publicly funded and unionized work well above the wages in the rest of the economy even withing the union states. Most state labor departments have whole sections whose job is to survey and establish the “prevailing wage” for federally funded projects subject to the Davis-Bacon Act and for other publicly funded work in those states that have “little” Davis-Bacon Acts. I assure you that in the Blue states and even many Red states, the only place those wages “prevail” is in publicly funded work.

        The major impetus of the FLSA and other New Deal Era labor policy was the elimination of the horrendous working conditions in many sectors caused by the surplus of unskilled formerly agricultural labor in the rural areas of the Country. Particularly in The South and Appalachia, wage labor was little removed from peonage and employers commonly employed race as the hammar against demands for better wages and conditions. The threat to white workers was direct and overt, back off or we give the work to blacks. The FLSA’s mimimum wage provisions were intended to put a floor under wages for businesses engaged in interstate commerce. Contemporary Court definitions of interstate commerce extended coverage to virtually all private businesses and Garcia v. San Antonio and the amendments that sprang from the decision extended the FLSA to the public sector.

        The FLSA also established the 40 hour week by requiring time and a half for all work by non-exempt employees in excess of 40 hours in a work week. The Act also put strict limits on the use of child labor, this also in reaction to the conditions in Southern textile manufacturing. The later amendments have prohibited pay discrimination based on gender and age.

        From the perspective of a former manager in a union state, the biggest issues with FLSA is that it is a 1938 law that doesn’t really reflect the realities of the modern workplace with regard to division of labor and mixed exempt and non-exempt labor. It was a lot easier in ’38 to tell the production workers from the supervisors, managers, and clericals. In the high-wage, high-cost states, the minimum wages is really only relevant in food and beverage work where “tip credit” is a common issue. It seems to still be an issue in The South and some rural and remote places where labor surpluses remain and conditions remain substandard, e.g., chicken plants in The South and canneries in Alaska and the Pacific Territories.

        I don’t think that Republcans do a very good job of explaining why we usually oppose MW increases and the Democrats resoundingly beat us about the head and shoulders with it. Frankly, it is a non-issue in the unionized, industrialized states except in the bars and restaurants and we are made to look cheap and anti-worker. And from my observation in the rural South, the only thing that has changed is that if you complain they threaten to replace you with illegals rather than blacks.

        • Warrior

          You’re exactly right. And remember, for most of our country’s history, the only remuneration for simple labor was subsistence, i.e. room and board. As you point out, the superfluity of unskilled labor led to abuses which remain today, especially in the South. And working in a chicken plant is the only option some of the young rural kids have — especially if they have a drug or criminal history, even a minor one. Losing the MW would give a lot of poor Southern folks hope and change they could really believe in..

          • Achance

            the rural South; I know I’ve never looked back, at least not in economic terms. I long ago resolved that I’d never live in the rural South again so long as I needed to make a living. I’m helping my sister out right now since her husband has about run out of his savings after being “laid off” after he had the audacity to file for workers compensation for an on the job injury at a company he’d was within a few months from being able to retire from. They just can’t stop themselves from treating people like crap.

            I agree with you that apprentice level work for subsistence has attractions, but I don’t know that the potential for abuse is worth it. After all, there’s lots of burger joints that have tried to get out of paying overtime by making the teenaged french fry cook the “Fried Foods Supervisor.”

          • mbecker908

            is that rank correct in your sig? LtCmdr’s are Navy, yes? 10thMD is Army. Maybe a LtCol???

          • Warrior

            I wondered if anybody would notice.

            Yes, it’s correct. The Navy now has something called “IA’s” = Individual Augmentees. That is, they are sailors who are temporarily assigned to ground forces because of special skills, manpower shortages, or whatever. I’m not fully versed on what they are either. I got that off my regular subscription to Military.com.

          • mbecker908

            Given the level of unbelievable incompetence on the Left when it comes to all things military, I just wanted to make sure the cites on our side are correct. I actually figured that it would be something like that but that it was worth checking.

            And, it’s a great cite.

      • Common_Cents

        Some small businesses that could grow into big businesses may need a lower entry point on labor. Just think of how many small businesses may be able to open in poor areas, especially inner city, and employ teens part time.

        I’d rather have a teen working part time for $4 an hour than not working at all w/ lots of extra idle time.

        • mom2oneson

          Especially trying to use it as some type of social manipulation thing because you think they would be better off being busy. They do that to mentally challenged people and prisoners and I think it’s wrong wrong wrong wrong wrong.

          • 6eorge Jetson

            IMO, the conservative view as to what anyone does with their spare time is their business, as it is their time, business owners should not expect to be entitled to a pool of it.

            My conservative view on two parties willingly agreeing to trade labor (the teen) for $4/hr (the business owner) is if they both find it better than the alternatives, good for both.

            To the business owner/manager that complains after losing a good $4/hr employee, I say “Idiot!”

            The best upward pressure on low end wages comes from those workers moving to better alternatives (moving up).

      • mom2oneson

        the businesses need the low wages to make a profit. There is plenty of opportunity to learn a trade a vocational skills. All vocational or community colleges have remedial classes available for reading and writing even if they are not literate. My issue isn’t with opportunities for advancement because they are 100% free to learn if you are pooor. My issue is with the low wages the unskilled or low skilled workers are paid.

        I know what you mean about the big cities. Not being able to find a job as a teen has really turned me into a bitter person as I raise my son. I see how inexpensive things are and it makes me bitter that I did without them because I couldn’t find a job when I was a teenager. You really hit the nail on the head.

        • mom2oneson
        • mom2oneson

          for spelling! I’m not feeling well but I wanted to reply I felt bad for not replying back and so many people wrote.

    • Warrior

      before. But let me try to explain the reasoning behind opposition to min wage. First, it was never meant to be a totally sufficient, all-encompassing living wage. It was never meant to be a raise a family on, send your kids to college on or retire on wage. It was meant to be a minimum wage. The original purpose of which was, as others have said, to prevent exploitation of new workers. (You mention sweatshops as well and this is why many conservatives oppose illegal immigration — the immigrants are just too vulnerable to exploitation. And, yes, native borns work in sweatshops too, but that’s also illegal and for the same reasons – to prevent exploitation.)

      Yet, as was predicted by critics of the MW at the time — it became more or less an entitlement. Now, workers with little or no skills, education or work ethic expect to buy a house and raise a family on a min wage job. It’s a very nice thought and Obama may eventually cause it to happen, but it won’t and can’t last. As other posters have mentioned, nobody HAS to create a business and lose money or just break even. They will simply shut down and find something less demanding to do.

      Now, if the federal gov’t takes over the companies and requires high wages and low prices, since there is no such thing as a free lunch, the taxpayers themselves will have to pay exorbitant taxes to make it all work. For instance, say I work at Govt McDonalds and make $185 thousand a year. Sounds great, right! Except that I have to pay $175 thousand a year in taxes to fund all the govt inefficiencies, waste, poor productivity and so on. What would my motivation be to work hard, or efficiently? The govt guarantees my job, my wage and my lifestyle (which won’t be much on $10 thousand a year.) But not to worry — EVERYBODY will be making $10 thousand a year because the govt owns all the “businesses” and sets all the wages and prices. Everybody will be EQUAL. It’s just that everybody will be equally poor, equally miserable, equally destitute. This is called Socialism. And it’s not too far fetched. Mr. Obama is even now dictating the color scheme of floor mats in the 2010 Chevys…

      Now let me briefly explain how it was SUPPOSED to work in the era of personal responsibility and how it actually worked for me. I woke up one day and realized I was living in the street and all I owned was a half a duffle bag of clothes. I decided I was tired of this lifestyle choice and so raised myself and went to a men’s shelter. There I worked for min wage, but the shelter took half for rent. Still, I was able to save up enough for a Hooptie. No more crowded van fro me!

      Soon, I became quite tired of the smell of dirty socks and the buzzsaw of 200 men snoring. So, I realized that now, since I was on the straight and narrow, I might as well pay the rent to my family and live in their modest residence. Next, I enrolled in night school and worked during the day. I eventually earned a cllege and later a graduate degree. Wages didn’t jump simple because of my sheepskin, oh no. I earned $5.70 an hour with a college degree in my field. Incremental raises over the next ten years were something on the order of $6/hr, $6.40/hr, $7/hr, $9/hr. I don’t make much more than that now with three college degrees and 15 years in my field. But that original minimum wage did what it was supposed to do — it MOTIVATED me to try and make more, i.e. improve myself. (My, but that phrase sounds quaint even now.)

      But Mom, you may be right. I don’t know if it can work that way anymore. Now that people expect the govt to take care of them, why would anyone want it to?

      • mom2oneson

        It’s almost like it’ss being presented as an excuse for low wages. I know moving up is readily available here in the US

        I enjoyed reading your story it’s real. That is one thing that bothers me about some conservatives they don’t understand what “doing better” is for a lot of people. They criticize the ones on welfare, the ones that work fast food, the ones earning $10/hour in an office job for not doing better. Well the $7 fast food job or $10 office job is doing better for a lot of people. How can you criticize someone on TANF and then criticize people working fast food too. They don’t seem to understand all the steps on the laldder. That fustrates me to no end!

        • avgamerican

          the gain minimum wagers hope to get. Do people not understand this?

        • http://impudent.blognation.us/blog kyle8

          Where do conservatives criticize people who are doing honest work for a living? I have seen lefties turn their noses up at the common folk, but conservatives, not so much.

          I worked in restaurants, delivered pizzas, did general labor, and everything I did I tried to do my best because that was the way I was raised.

          Minimum wage doesn’t do much of anything. It doesn’t really bust the bank for small business because they mostly just raise their prices. But it doesn’t help poor people much either because, all the prices they pay for everything just goes up.

      • Mike gamecock DeVine

        I do think it is a bit too high now. It does shut out some jobs.

    • stang

      May I recommend a couple of articles by Thomas Sowell and Walter Williams on minimum wages to help here? I hope they will help your understanding of the minimum wage issue being discussed here.

      http://www.amatecon.com/etext/mwe/mwe.html

      http://www.capmag.com/article.asp?ID=4757

      http://www.capmag.com/article.asp?ID=4173

      http://www.capmag.com/article.asp?ID=4758

      These esteemed gentlemen are American Treasures when it comes to explaining economics in plain english.

      Regards,

      stang

  • GregInFla

    Obama voted against it, so did Hillary.

    This is what I remember: the Dems tied it to Iraq war funding to get GOP to vote for it, and then BO and Clinton voted NO because it had enough votes to pass, and no one called them on it. They stalled on their votes til the end.

    • http://www.ssce.net/Web-Articles/Web-articles-indexed-authors.html#authors-l JLenardDetroit

      I had hoped you would have been joining in on all the Crist/Rubio (what your analysis of the specifics was/is) discussions, or perhaps you had and I didn’t notice.

      Anyway… as to your point…. wonderful how our Politicians (and let’s be plain, some of our favorite Republicans can be guilty of this ploy at times) set up several votes, play with Amendments, etc….. so that they have a Vote they can play off of one audience and a Vote they can play off of with an audience of the exact opposite. There are still so many people unaware of how these things really work (creating, passing or killing, legislation) that they can be fooled (I touch on it briefly in the CRA over the deregulation lie regarding Housing) if they don’t pay enough attention… And, none of us wishes we had to really pay attention at all, but with the number of crooks in Govt. we all have to pay attention and look closer and closer today more than ever!

      Regards, Take Care…..

      • GregInFla

        Work’s been overwhelming lately, and we are readying for a trip to Achance’s/Palin’s area of the country next week. BO has me feeling way down on the USGovt. Time to get away, far away for a week or more.

        There was a great thread here on Crist/Rubio that I recommended to friends. We now have a free-for-all for governor (which would be Crist’s which would at least give control after census), tough race for Senator, and then all the folks moving to run for offices would be leaving their current office.

        I’ll be in Chattanooga/Dayton TN on Aug 1st, and have thought of coming over to the gathering in Atlanta. Time will tell.

        The MW law here is like other states’, in that Florida’s will automatically get increased. I read that Oregon’s MW went up again as well. No one thought of using the unemployment rate as a factor in indexing MW.

  • http://beaglescout.wordpress.com LJ “Beaglescout” Miller

    Something that I discovered and posted about here with a somewhat different emphasis is that unemployment reduces lifespan. It literally kills people when they are unemployed. It’s just a matter of doing the math to find out what the exact formula is, and then we can bring it up every time people talk about a minimum wage.

    “You know, every time the minimum wage goes up X cents, it puts Y thousand Americans out of work, and reduces American lifespans by Z thousand person years. Your minimum wage has terrible side effects that you do not account for.”

  • http://briansimpson.wordpress.com Brian Simpson

    but the minimum wage is always zero.

  • itrytobenice

    There are people out there who are not capable of earning anything more than an apprenticeship.

    And that’s not the worst thing that can happen. The worst thing is when the government makes it impossible to give them that job so they are hopeless and helpless their entire lives.

    If you’re not capable to doing higher level work, but someone is willing to take you in and teach you how to do a trade in exchange for room and board, how is that bad? We used to do it all the time, back in the years when America was changing life in the world.

  • Warrior

    The Law of Unintended Consequences. Everytime the lefties try to improve their self-esteem by showing off how they are “More compassionate than thou,” people die. Usually, poor and working folks. I would list a half dozen or so examples of these, but don’t want to be a threadjacker…

  • Warrior

    n/t

  • http://andrightlyso.com/ civil_truth

    Or perhaps more generally, improvement in the efficiency of manufacture.

    Similarly, wage increases for individuals are only justified when the individuals become of more value (per hour) in terms of what their labor produces. This arises from skill improvement, experience leading to greater productivity, etc.

    Otherwise, you just chase your tail – increasing wages without changing productivity or efficiency just results in increasing the cost of living, so you’re never able to catch up. Worse, the resultant increased costs to business and inflation in money supply destroys business competitiveness and undermines investment and saving, thereby destroying the capital base – and unchecked, civic institutions as well, leading to anarchy and/or tyranny.

    In other words, middle-class lifestyle requires middle class skill sets and middle class values (such as delayed gratification).

    I understand the predicament you’re talking about what those who are often called the working poor, who are living on the margin and too easy fall off with one too many adverse events.

    But the solution does not lie in government attempts to repeal the market via minimum wages and other inflationary actions, but rather in a safety net rooted in voluntary, private community agencies helping those who can benefit – where bureaucratic government action too often just perpetuates or even worsens the problem by their very foundation in coercion and lack of accountability to the market.

    And there will be some who are too damaged or too out of control: mitigation measures can be attempted, but except for rare cases, they will have to live outside regular societal structures. Ultimately, we do live in a fallen world and cosmos.

    I may have gotten a bit too theoretical here, but the bottom line is that minimum wages generally constitute treating the symptoms rather than the disease.

  • Mike gamecock DeVine

    free market capitalism and private property rights exponentially increases the chances of same by encouraging people to take the risks to seek same.