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America and soccer: The unfamiliar sport

Why doesn’t America accept the World Cup Soccer tournament as other nations?

According to taxpayer-funded NPR and its partner, liberal magazine rag The Nation, it’s because we’re all a bunch of racists and because the U.S. Teams aren’t any good at it.  So sayeth Dave Zirin:

Every World Cup, it arrives like clockwork. As sure as the ultimate soccer spectacle brings guaranteed adrenaline and agony to fans across the United States, it also drives the right-wing noise machine utterly insane.

“It doesn’t matter how you try to sell it to us,” yipped the Prom King of new right, Glenn Beck. “It doesn’t matter how many celebrities you get, it doesn’t matter how many bars open early, it doesn’t matter how many beer commercials they run, we don’t want the World Cup, we don’t like the World Cup, we don’t like soccer, we want nothing to do with it.”

. . .

Dear Lord, where do we begin? First of all, I always find it amusing when folks like Beck say, “We don’t like soccer” when it is by far the most popular youth sport in the United States. It’s like saying, “You know what else American kids hate? Ice cream!” Young people love soccer not because of some kind of commie-nazi plot conjured by Saul Alinsky to sap us of our precious juices, but because it’s – heaven forefend – fun.

Wow.  Where do i begin? First of all, just because more kids play soccer these days doesn’t mean they enjoy it or understand it, but that’s not all.  I played soccer for three years growing up and I couldn’t begin to tell you what the rules are.  I made quite a fool of myself one day about ten years ago when I was sitting in Arrowhead Stadium watching the Kansas City Wizards play the LA Galaxy.  I was trying to explain the game to my then-girlfriend.  Two German immigrants sitting nearby were making fun of my lack of understanding–something I’d never have known had my date not been fluent in German.

What I think is really going on here is that Zirin just isn’t happy that American’s don’t accept his sport.  Despite decades of soccer moms (like my own) driving their kids to practice two days a week and to games on Saturday, we just haven’t accepted soccer.  We stick with our traditional American sports like baseball and football and this drives him absolutely bonkers.

When I was a kid, I wanted to play football.  I got stuck in soccer because 1) my brother played it and it cut down on the extra driving mom had to do and 2) mom thought it was safer than football.  Interestingly, I never had a serious injury playing football.  The only really bad one was a strained thumb trying to block a Tight End, but I was back at it after a week’s recuperation.  I was sent to the hospital four times in three seasons playing soccer: I sprained an ankle (twice), broke a toe and fractured a vertebrae.  So much for “safer”.

The biggest reason Americans don’t accept soccer is that we don’t understand it.  The fact is, most Americans who are interested in sports understand baseball, basketball, football, and many even get hockey, golf, tennis and NASCAR.  But when it comes to the soccer field we’re left scratching our heads and asking questions.

“Why don’t they stop the clock during penalties?”

“Why don’t they just wear cups like football players?”

“Why is this game going into overtime when it’s not tied?”

“What the heck is a yellow card and what does it mean?”

The list goes on.  Even with the lesser-understood hockey and NASCAR, most Americans can watch and appreciate these sports without knowing the rules in detail or even liking them.  The object of the game and in particular what is going on during this instant is usually fairly obvious to us.  Not-so with soccer.

Worse, the people who DO understand soccer (oh, I’m sorry, fútbol) don’t much care to explain it.  Ask any knowledgeable hockey fan what icing is, and they’re almost universally glad to explain it in detail.  The same goes with baseball and the infield-fly rule or NASCAR and the intricacies of pit road etiquette or restrictor plates.  Soccer fans, on the other hand, don’t seem to want to explain anything.  Many of them remain aloof, secure in their elitism about their favored sport.  It seems many would rather continue to think those of us not “in the know” as idiots than try to explain anything.  Even worse, there’s no John Madden character drawing lines on our TV screen to explain what just happened and why the crowd is cheering when seemingly nothing consequential has occurred.

Granted, this mentality doesn’t cover everybody who enjoys soccer.  It’s simply a generalization based upon my personal experience with soccer fans.

But Zirin isn’t content to just tell us that we’re troglodytes for not appreciating his favored sport.  Rather, he must re-write history:

Beck’s wingnut godfather, G. Gordon Liddy also said on his radio program,

‘Whatever happened to American exceptionalism? This game … originated with the South American Indians and instead of a ball, they used to use the head, the decapitated head, of an enemy warrior.”

. . .

As for Liddy, let’s be clear. There is not in fact hard anthropological evidence that early soccer games were played with a human head. Interestingly, though, there is an oft-told legend that the sport took root in England in the 8th century because the King’s army playfully kicked around the detached cranium of the conquered Prince of Denmark. Notice that this tall-tale is about Europe not “South American Indians”. I think we’re seeing a theme here.

Actually, there is some evidence of a nominally soccer-like sport played by Native Americans wherein the ball was actually a human cranium.  The evidence is largely anecdotal, but some of it is actual depictions of the sport by the cultures that played it.  The game’s similarity with soccer is largely in that it was played on a large field between two teams of about a dozen individuals each. Players were not allowed to touch the ball with their hands and arms and tried to put the ball in a goal.  Like many Americans, Liddy was probably misinformed by the multitude of “multicultural” history books that described the game as “similar to soccer”.

Soccer- and rugby-like sports have actually been played for around 3,000 years in various parts of the world from Asia to the Middle East, Africa and Europe and throughout the Americas.  The modern game, while played in the United States, simply never caught on like football or baseball.  It was one of those sports that people who wanted to stay active but didn’t like or couldn’t play the “big name” sports would play.  So while Liddy might be wrong, Zirin is being–at best–disingenuous.

Part of our aversion to the sport could be the fact that the sport isn’t played like any other sport we’re used to seeing.  Like the Olympics, the FIFA World Cup is only played once every four years.  Other, smaller competitions take place in the interim.  Also, the World Cup is played between nominally amorphous national teams, not established local clubs like football, baseball and, yes, Major League Soccer.  In our minds, this seems to work for irregular sports like the Triathalon and the dozens of other sports that largely see great fame only during the Olympics, but for a game like soccer, we feel we should be able to follow our local club to a national (or international) championship.

After all, Americans accept and enjoy the various international Tennis and Golf tournaments.  We’re more than happy to watch “odd” sports like curling, rugby, gymnastics and figure skating.  At least in these sports the yearly competitions make sense to us, and the fans and commenters are more than happy to explain to us what we’re seeing when we get confused.

But Zirin sees something different in American’s who don’t care for the sport:

In other words, Beck rejects soccer because his idealized “real America” – in all its monochromatic glory – rejects it as well. To be clear, I know a lot of folks who can’t stand soccer. It’s simply a matter of taste. But for Beck it’s a lot more than, “Gee. It’s kind of boring.” Instead it’s, “Look out whitey! Felipe Melo’s gonna get your mama!”

Many Americans understand, play and enjoy soccer.  But taken as a whole, Americans are just more interested in other sports.   Waiting four years to follow an all-star team of sorts in a sport that most of us don’t understand well and few of us watch anyway?  That just doesn’t seem to fit our American way of viewing sports.  But to Zirin, it has to be about race, not culture.  It has to be because Beck is a closet racist who hates anyone who isn’t “monochromatic”.  It doesn’t have anything to do with the fact that most Americans simply do not watch, understand or like soccer.

It’s unfamiliar.  It’s irregular.  It doesn’t fit our American culture.  So no, we don’t want the World Cup.  And there’s nothing wrong or inherently racist about that.

COMMENTS

  • JadedByPolitics

    should be CUT from spending in the Federal Government. That NPR is a “partner” with The Nation is all one needs to know about OUR tax dollars being thrown down a LIBERAL HOLE!

    BTW soccer is just BORING other then David Beckham and I can get an eyeload of him in magazines :)

    • http://www.examiner.com/x-1597-Charlotte-Law--Politics-Examiner Mike gamecock DeVine

      when the scores are so often 0-0 and 1-0, what do you expect.

      And the horns now, my God the horns!

      • JSobieski

        The puck takes very flukey bounces.

        In terms of deterministic outcomes, I would posit that
        basketball is the most predictable. A great NBA crushes an average NBA virtually every time the players are awake.

        Football is a bit less deterministic, just because team schemes are more likely to matter than they do in basketball

        Baseball is a bit less deterministic than football, just because a bad day for pitcher means more than a bad day for a QB

        Hockey is less deterministic than baseball, with the goalie being all-important, and a little luck often making much of the difference.

        Soccer is like hockey played in a really large rink

        • http://www.examiner.com/x-1597-Charlotte-Law--Politics-Examiner Mike gamecock DeVine

          that after 162 games, the regular season should matter more. Used to be their were two leagues and the national league winner of the regular season played the Yankees, like God intended. The NY Yankees are the devil and the Braves are sons of God….

          • http://jakespeaks.wordpress.com/ Jake W

            Fellow Braves fan here. Still bitter about the 1990′s WS losses, but hey, I’m a conservative. Being bitter is apparently what I do.

    • ladyimpactohio

      Unfortunately I live with a brasileiro. Have no choice. 5X winner going for 6.

      Infelizmente eu vivo com um brasileiro. Eles est

  • dsmurf

    If I shoulder charge you and you fall on the ground don’t complain, because you just learned something new about soccer, and that will probably guarantee some excitement when it comes to something related to soccer.:)

    I love being able to converse with others about their sports passions, I was as disinterested in American sports because I was born overseas, learned to love football and baseball when my younger brother became quite good at football, earning a honorable mention from USA today for his play on both sides of the ball.

    I have played against Kuwaitis Jordanians, English Scots, Germans and now converse intelligently online with an English opponent when I play chess.
    I heard from my English contact that the England goallie from the US vs England game may go to Switzerland to get cosmetic surgery due to contracts being put on him already for the lousy goal that he allowed. That isn’t passion, that is Baal like religion, people sacrifice, that the rest of the world practices,

  • http://www.dcworksforus.com Kenny Solomon

    Confidentially, I have to admit that King George’s charges aren’t at top form this go-round – something’s amiss.

    Plus…….

    Keepers are the base key and Fabio blew chunks on BOTH picks.

    — — — — —

    Anyway…….. C’mon You Spurs !

    Five from White Hart Lane on the side.

    Git-r-done lads……. Far from over.

    === === === === === ===
    === === === === === ===

    I’ve the need to rant it again, so pardon me for repeating a (very slightly edited) section from one of my most recent diaries………

    http://www.redstate.com/etcartman/2010/06/12/news-you-may-miss-because-guess-why

    It

    • Richard Mullins

      and that has to drive people mad. Good thing that they stop for a while for national anthems. If I could get Univision to kill off the VuVu on their broadcast things would be much better.

    • KC

      Kenny, I just have to say, as an American Jew, also armed, a rabid fan of Israel and soccer and being driven more than crazy by those vu vu’s I guess I am in good company, and who cares how many in the US can’t understand or don’t appreciate soccer. It was my favorite sport since I stepped on the pitch in my freshman year at Cal, in 1963.

      • blooch

        that blowing a VuVu causes the user’s penis to shrink due to certain volatile chemicals in the plastic which react badly to low frequency vibrations. The report says that cumulative ingestion of these chemical compounds through saliva almost always results in sudden, unexpected, drastic and permanent shrinkage.

        Now it’s up to you to get that in an E-mail to Nigeria and beyond.

        • blooch

          The report also said that males within a 10-15 foot radius of the VuVu blast may experience chronic intermittent numbness and limpness.

          Or it causes AIDS.

        • http://www.dcworksforus.com Kenny Solomon

          You forgot one thing……….

          The VuVu is Bush’s fault !

          ;)

          • blooch

            as Jesse would say, “stay out da bushes!”

            I remember protoVuVu’s from the early ’60′s that were blown at high school football games. I think they were banned by the PTA or something. My friend next door had a couple that were handed down to him by his older brothers. We tried to blow them, but ended up using them as acorn-filled atlatls when we played army. Devastating weapon, outlawed by the Geneva Parents’ Convention of 1968.

      • http://www.dcworksforus.com Kenny Solomon

        C……………..Bzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzz

        Those damn Vuv…………….. Bzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzz……… u things are mak…………. Bzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzz………… ing me lose what’s le……………. Bzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzz…………. ft of my mind.

        ;)

        • http://www.examiner.com/x-1597-Charlotte-Law--Politics-Examiner Mike gamecock DeVine
        • Jack_Savage

          …Colin Cowherd, I believe, play these stupid things along with a broadcast of a Phillies game to see what it would sound like.

          What an odd, worthless tradition. The only good thing is that they wouldn’t work at a Nascar race. At all.

          • http://www.dcworksforus.com Kenny Solomon

            The very first person or group of people trying to do it would end up in itty-bitty pieces on the track, causing a caution flag for debris.

            End of ‘mutual respect and understanding even when we disagree’ VuVu incursion experiment.

  • dsmurf

    Germany vs Australia Nt
    4-0

  • singingcactus

    Because they are both 11-man sports that evolved from rugby, people like to compare them and suggest that their popularity is somehow inversely proportional. Really, the comparison should be soccer and basketball. In most soccer countries, particularly the Latin soccer countires, soccer is the pickup game that inner-city youth play in their spare time. In North America, we have basketball for that. Instead, soccer in America seems to have been claimed by suburbanites. Whereas it is an athletic sport in most of the world, in the US soccer is a preppy sport. And, forgive my generalizing, preppy people are more prone to espouse that kind of snide elitism like David Zirin.

    As for Beck & co., I have to disagree with them as well. I would enjoy the World Cup in the U.S. The taxpayer burden would be limited to security and temporary traffic issues, since we already have the facilities built. Sponsorship dollars should take care of all other costs. You can argue that it is not a part of our culture, but that seems to be changing. Look at the TV ratings for this WC, the interest is there. The US Hispanic population, which is skyrocketing, has always loved soccer. Plus, Americans love to cheer for a national team; heck, we even cheered for Bobby Fischer for a while. And if the pomp and circumstance of a big international competitions convinces Americans to participate in fun, competitive exercise, then all the better.

    That being said, I’d still prefer to watch an old fashioned American football game any day.

    • http://www.examiner.com/x-1597-Charlotte-Law--Politics-Examiner Mike gamecock DeVine

      was great to this baseball, football, basketball, golf, nascar, hockey and tennis fan.

  • The_Gadfly

    His take was that he liked to play soccer, but thought watching it was about as interesting as watching paint dry.

    I “played” soccer when I was in the Scouts, but it was definitely street soccer and cheap. We used a pair of trees at either end of the church lawn for goal posts, hardly ever called offsides (or whatever it is called in soccer), and probably did more than a little illegal tripping. This does make for more interesting play, but I doubt it would do much for watchability.

  • starboard

    Imagine a baseball game where the pitchers can’t throw fastballs and the batters can’t swing, they can only bunt.

    It’s possible that such a game could be played with tremendous skill – working out a walk, stealing a base, sacrificing with a perfectly placed bunt – but can you really see thousands of Americans lining up to watch 2 hours of that?

    That’s soccer. It is a game with no element of power and no premium for power. There are no three-run homers, slam-dunks, or long bombs; there is no smash-mouth, no “nasty stuff” and no thundering body checks; there are no radar guns, one-punch knockouts or deep threats. To an American it is a 90-minute game of “keepaway” played by boys in short pants on a playground. Beautiful? No, boring.

    America is a big country and Americans like big, powerful things. Always have, always will. They like NASCAR. They like heavyweights, especially heavyweights who are knockout punchers.They like homerun hitters. They like strike-out pitchers.

    Imagine Stephen Strasburg as a knuckleball pitcher – same level of anticipation and excitement? Not likely. Greg Maddox won 300 games; so did Randy Johnson. Who drew the bigger crowds?

    Without an dimension of power in the sport, soccer will always be a child’s game in the USA.

    • http://www.dcworksforus.com Kenny Solomon

      Pudge would be wearing that newly developed Strassburg Signature Edition of the Wilson Full-Body Mitt For Catchers.

      ;)

      The kid throws a 90 mph curveball…… I’d love to seem him “pull a Wakefield” – but not if it would screw up his arm or mechanics – and it would.

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      As for the topic…….. EPL/FA….. Sitting in a full pub here in Flori-duh at 7am, full breakfast and a pint (or ten) with Match Of The Day and all the rest showing live.

      Boring, it ain’t.

      Yeah, I think I’ll keep it.

  • ocleverone

    They have all tried soccer in their off seasons but grew bored with it after awhile.

    • Jack_Savage

      Case closed.

  • http://www.dcworksforus.com Kenny Solomon

    Where’s the SEIU and their beat-down squads….. um…….. Obama is God chanting assault teams……. er……. violence-leaning house-invading mobs……. ah……… negotiators when you need them ?

    Police opened fire with rubber bullets at approximately 400 ‘protesters’ at Durban’s stadium, because the protesters were part of the World Cup security guard staff who walked out on strike just a few hours before the Italy v Paraguay match.

    http://news.theage.com.au/breaking-news-world/world-cup-security-guards-walk-out-on-italy-opener-20100615-ycot.html

    South African police took control of security at reigning champions Italy’s opening World Cup match, after stewards walked out in a spiralling dispute over pay. The strike came only hours after stewards providing security at Durban’s World Cup stadium, which are employed by the same private security company, clashed with riot police in a protest over their wages.

    The dispute is a major embarrassment for organisers who also had to find alternative transport for nearly 1,000 supporters stuck at Johannesburg’s showpiece Soccer City stadium when bus drivers staged a wildcat strike. “Although we have respect for workers’ rights, we find it unacceptable for them to disrupt match day proceedings and will not hesitate to take action in such instances,” said organising committee chief executive Danny Jordaan.

    — — — — — —

    There’s much more in the article…….. Read it all.

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    Ooooooooh……. Ronaldo doesn’t like the VuVu’s………. Sod him and the ego he rides in on !!!!! Make ‘em louder for the Portugal match !!!

  • Brian Hibbert

    I know soccer is an acquired taste. But when you really start to understand the strategies and patterns it really does live up to it’s nickname. Just watch the Brazilian team play or the Portuguese team (with Cristiano Ronaldo) when they’re on their game. They play with a finesse that borders on art. Then compare that to the Germans who play with an engineered precision.

    By the way, this idiot is completely wrong when he claims the US National team should take a dive in the world cup. The US team becoming competitive in international soccer has actually gained us some respect in many countries. Taking a dive would just gain us ridicule.

    Fred, I’d guess the problem you had with explaining the game to your girlfriend in the presence of Germans is because what we play here as soccer in school (even at the college level) has different rules than the real thing. For a while, even US professional soccer had some different rules than the international FIFA rules, but they’ve since changed to follow the standards. This last move improved the performance of our US country team since our players now use the same rules in their club play that they do on the national team..

    Some of the rules seem mysterious. The offside rule seems to cause the most confusion, but it’s pretty simple really. If you pass the ball to one of your players who is in front of the last defender, he’s offside (there’s some additional specs, but that’s the meat of it). The purpose was to prevent having 1 player stationed right in front of the goal at all times. It’s sort of like the 5 second rule in basketball and serves the same purpose.

    The clock is a mystery to most. It runs backwards from all the sports we’re used to. It starts at 0 and counts up to 45 for the half, then starts at 45 and counts to 90 to end the game. There are no timeouts, the clock just keeps going, but the officials add “stoppage” time to the end of each half to allow for excess time used for penalties and injuries.

    Also, there is a limit to subs. For the most part, the same 11 guys start the game and run like hell for an hour and a half. The teams get up to 3 subs and once a player is subbed out, they’re out for good. This is one of the major differences between FIFA rules and US NCAA rules.

    I’d suspect that most of the people who won’t explain the rules to you don’t actually understand them either. They just don’t want to admit it. I have the same problem trying to get hockey fans to explain “icing” to me. I just can’t figure out why they call it sometimes and not others….

    • http://beaglescout.wordpress.com Beaglescout

      Enough to put the WC on the DVR auto-record schedule on several ESPNs and other channels. I got into it because I was coaching my kids’ teams and needed to know how it was supposed to look. I have no trouble explaining the rules of soccer to those who don’t know them because I’ve had to explain all the rules to the kids I coached: MANY times.

      The confusing parts of soccer are the different words for everything. Sidelines are “touch lines.” Goal lines are “by lines.” The field is called the “pitch.” The “center” is the third of the pitch halfway between the “touch lines” while the “midfield” is the third of the pitch halfway between the “by lines.” Each team has its own “attacking third” and “defending third.” “Offsides” is when a player is past the second last defender at the moment a ball is passed, if he is involved in the play. But it doesn’t count on a throwin. I’m not going to go into the rules for throwins. There are fouls, which win an “indirect kick” that can’t be directed at goal but need to be “touched” (not with your hands, arms, or shoulders, because that is a “handball” and a possible yellow card) before they can go into the goal, and other fouls that earn a “direct kick” at the goal. Some of these don’t earn a punishment for the fouler, others earn a “yellow card,” and others earn a “red card” and immediate ejection from the game (no substitutes either). Two yellow cards for a player earns a red card too. Everywhere but in the US, “soccer” is called “football” or “futbol” or “foosball” depending on the language. And then there’s “futsal.” Nobody can use their hands, arms, or shoulders to touch the ball. Except for the goalkeeper when he is in the “penalty box.” And throwins. Fouls can be called or not, depending on how the referee judges the “advantage.” There are no timeouts. Even an on-field injury doesn’t stop the clock, it just adds to the time at the end of the half. The decisions of the referees, even obviously wrong ones, are final. There is no instant replay. Because there are no timeouts, the coach doesn’t run the plays. The “goalkeeper” is in charge of the area around the goal, and the team “captain” tells the players on the field what attacking and defending plays to run, and where and when runs and patterns need to be made. Occasionally when he is able he captain talks to the coach at the touch line and gets instructions. The goalkeepers do not wear the same colors as their teammates. Team colors vary wildly. Home may be claret (wine color) and blue with white shorts, and away black with pink piping, or green with orange horizontal stripes. There is no consistent rule on how home and away uniforms look for teams in a league. And away uniforms vary for every league teams qualify to play in, so even long-time fans may not recognize a new uniform as their team’s. Professional teams in England and Europe are all associated with football or athletic clubs that have significant recreational and youth memberships and training programs. These associations are what earned this type of football the name “soccer” as “association” became “assoc” became “soccer.”

      SHOCK: Some professional men’s teams wear pink uniforms! Others wear baby blue. And others, playing on a green field, wear green. Every other team in every league wears an all red uniform either at home or away. Damned commies!

      There is quite a lot of power play in soccer, but instead of being massed formations it’s one-man play involving crunching tackles, long crosses, and 35 yard screaming shots at goal, 50-yard throwins and goalkeepers plowing through a sea of attackers and defenders to punch a ball away from the head of a leaping attacker.

      Yeah, I got the fever.

    • Common_Cents

      “By the way, this idiot is completely wrong when he claims the US National team should take a dive in the world cup. The US team becoming competitive in international soccer has actually gained us some respect in many countries. Taking a dive would just gain us ridicule. ”

      the Obama strategy, cower, bend over, be an apologist to the world, take a dive. Wrong. You are right, the world wants us to take a dive Obama style but they respect winners.

    • pilgrim
  • southernilpat

    Sorry, but soccer remains to me the sport that girls – and boys whose moms outvoted their dads – play. Right up there with volleyball. The bastion of suburban “but football is so VIOLENT” soccer moms.

    • http://theminorityreportblog.com Repair_Man_Jack

      Manhood demanded that soccer turn into Rugby!

    • ffc99

      soccer, I find this kind of ignorance of the game tiresome. Anyone who’s ever seen soccer played at the highest level knows it’s an incredibly physical game. Rougher than “boys” sports like basketball and baseball. You don’t have to enjoy the game, but cut out this “girls game” nonsense.

      • Achance

        is a game for the children of NPR watching/listening snobs and castrati. The pressure from the parents is constant; so and so is too rough, you shouldn’t run up the score, you shouldn’t keep score at all. It is a game promoted by liberal elitists and forced on us through the liberal elitists who run schools and Parks and Recreation Departments. Try fighting with the lesbians who run most P&R Departments for field time for youth baseball or football when they want it for their beloved soccer.

        The only thing it is useful for is for kids not skilled enough to play competitive football, basketball, or baseball; it doesn’t take any skill to have a herd of kids mindlessly kicking a ball around, but it does get them out of the house and away from the video games.

        I know there is a highly skilled and competitive level of soccer that has rabid fans all over the World, but in the US, it is merely a liberal affectation; the sport that isn’t American so it must be good.

      • southernilpat

        So what? My perception is my perception, born of being an American raised in the Midwest in the middle of the 20th century. In our gym classes, boys played football, girls played soccer. Boys played baseball, girls played softball. Boys played basketball, girls played volleyball.

        Simply because someone doesn’t enjoy what you enjoy doesn’t make them “ignorant.”

        • ffc99

          as I actually said in my original post, I could care less whether you like it or not, but your statement regarding soccer being a girls game is ignorant (and let’s be clear, you were obviously trying to belittle soccer in your original comment).

          • southernilpat

            Just like many belittle sports I happen to enjoy watching. I just chalk it up to their preference and don’t whine about it.

          • ffc99

            childish of you, southernilpat. And to think I almost felt bad about calling you ignorant. Turns out I was right, you are.

  • http://www.veronicaestrada.com/ Veronica

    and is 100% all American.

    I’ve also always said that as long as America is entranced with football as a competitive sport — from high school on up — socialism in America will be stemmed somewhat.

    You know those elitist bastards in Washington never played football, either.

    As for soccer — liked the punchline at the end. No, it’s not American.

    The coolest thing about it is that when we get to watch it here in the States, we won’t get killed for it.

    http://www.telegraph.co.uk/sport/football/world-cup-2010/7826934/World-Cup-2010-Somali-football-fans-executed-for-watching-matches.html

    Just say no to sharia law…

    • ffc99

      why socialism will be stemmed as long as America is entranced with what you call “real football”? I’m really looking forward to reading your theory on this.

      • http://www.veronicaestrada.com/ Veronica

        nor is it based on nationalism to compete against other nations — like futbol.

        It based on competition that stems from beating every other guy who’s vying for your position when you’re still in middle school. Not everyone can be the middle linebacker or quarterback — so there’s the competition, the perfection aspect that’s ingrained in kids, moves with them through hs, college and on.

        • ffc99

          for this explanation Veronica. It was as idiotic and incoherent as I expected it would be.

    • singingcactus

      Strong unions, salary caps, a system that prevents new organizations (companies) from entering into competition, a bureaucracy that punishes employees for out-of-work behaviors without the due process of law…that does not sound like republican capitalism to me.

      European leagues on the other hand lack salary caps, have relatively weak unions, allows for promotion/relegation so that any club might eventually compete for a championship, and do not place absurd outside-of-work prohibitions on their players.

      American professional leagues require different organizational structures that European leagues, mostly due to the fact that we have far more major media markets to infiltrate than any single European league. As such, it makes sense to have in place regulations that promote parody in the US (i.e. salary caps, protected monopolies for major leagues). But let’s call a spade a spade…American professional sports practice a lot socialism; European sports practice far less.

      • http://www.veronicaestrada.com/ Veronica

        No.

        And I’m not talking about the structure of the organizations.

        You can put whatever bent you want on it — and while you’re at, go ahead and “flavor” all American business, trades and markets.

        Are you not hopeful, man?

        As long as kids grow up wanting to beat the living snot out of their competition and focus on their *singularity* and perfection as a player, football will epitomize the fighting spirit of the individual in America.

        You cannot quell this an American kid. He grows up believing he has special talent, that he grow up to be different from everyone else, based on a previous model of success.

        It deviates from the collective mediocrity — and doesn’t represent the collectivist, socialist state.

        It’s arrogant, exceptional and solely American.

        • singingcactus

          It is part of competition to strive to be better than mediocrity. A kid playing midfield on the pitch will succeed if he wants to be the best too. Sports (excepting the governing organizations, as I pointed out in the post to which you responded) are actually great models of rewards that come with perfecting the individual/capitalism. American football is not unique in that way.

          If a kid grows up wanting to be the best shortstop he can be, works hard at it, has enough natural ability to get by, he’s not going to think of handicapping other shortstops in order to achieve his goals. Same if he wants to be a goalie, golfer, merchant, doctor, or recording artist.

          Soccer’s perceived wimpiness stems from it’s cultural place in America, falsely held up as ‘safer’ and more fair by suburbanites. It has nothing to do with collectivism once a kid ages beyond 5. If your four-year-old football player has a desire to be the best linebacker to ever play, then he is ahead of his age group. But for the most part, it takes time for kids to mature to a point where they realize that meritocracy works and collectivism doesn’t. Sports’ win-loss system is one of the great ways to teach them that.

          The problem, therefore, is that soccer parents waste time deluding their kids with collectivism into middle school. In reality, it is nothing innate in the sport. If soccer and football switched places in the US, and we were obsessed with soccer, we would demand rugged individualism from soccer players, because, in the end, we just want to see our team win, and rewarding merit is the best way to achieve that.

          • http://www.veronicaestrada.com/ Veronica

            but I don’t buy this “safer” thing among suburbanites.

            You can label soccer a “yuppie,” even “hippie” brand for softies, but there are plenty of little leagues where parents put up their little 5-year-olds in pads and bus them to 2-hour practices 3 times a week.

            The four-year-old — ridiculous — the KID who has the desire to be the best gets it from his parents who are not for meritocracy.

            And this is where I say that as long as American football is alive and well, socialism will not take over this country completely.

            You can argue bread and circus for the masses and yadda, but I’m speaking of the spirit of the individual in America not dying — and it’s based on this American competitiveness.

            Not Somalian competitiveness. Not Brazilian competitiveness.

            American’s will to fight.

            Which is different than the jihadi will to fight. Or the Afghani’s or the Palestinian’s.

            In those cases, yes, we’re on the wimpy end — but the point is, this will to fight is untapped and largely hidden.

            I doubt the majority of football sports fans vote.

            And then — there’s also tennis and lacrosse.

            Football just rules as being an embodiment of American spirit. That’s my point.

            There’s hope, even if parents aren’t teaching their kids about socialism when they’re 7, 8, 10.

          • singingcactus

            I probably overgeneralized with my ‘suburban safer’ idea, but in my experience many parents (including my own) have used safety to justify enrolling their child to a soccer team over football. For as many high-pressure soccer leagues as there are, there are far more ‘parents attend every practice to make sure their kid is getting their fair playing time’ in soccer than in football.

            With the four-year-old thing, I was recalling what I had read from psychologists. Obviously, a young mind is influenced primarily by the child’s parents, but, by and large, a young person tends to be more collectivist and only realizes the benefits of meritocracy and the faults of collectivism later, and sports’ win/loss results-based formula is one cultural way for a child to learn that.

            I also think we’re using different definitions of meritocracy. I simply maintain that meritocracy rewards the better-abled person, not the leftist idea of rewarding the more experienced person irregard to ability.

            As far as football being the embodiment of the American spirit, today I agree with you. But some time ago, baseball was the embodiment of the American spirit, and before that it was yachting. Humans try to see their emotions and spirit in things they like. One day, Americans might like soccer and see it as representing the spirit of America…not because we became more collectivist or soccer became more rugged, but because, over time, we took a liking to soccer and want to assimilate it into the rest of our glorious culture.

          • http://www.veronicaestrada.com/ Veronica

            that’s another discussion.

            a solution to all this is for there to be a requirement that students study different governments — beginning in 1st grade.

            and teach them how to handle their future federal debt and to live beneath the standard of their parents. :(

            nice discussion, thanks!

  • Icythus

    First, its a relatively low-key game when compared to other popular American sports. It combines the aversion to physicality of basketball with the scoring opportunities of ice hockey. People tolerate basketball’s lame foul system because of the high scores that can quickly and dramatically swing the other way, and hockey’s infrequent goals because the rest of the time the players are pounding the living heck out of each other, and occasionally resorting to fisticuffs as an expected and normal part of a tough match. Soccer possesses neither of these saving traits.

    Second, soccer is genuinely exciting to watch in other countries (I lived in England for two years, so i speak from personal experience), because the top-level players represent, with very few exceptions, the top-level athletes in Europe and South America. In the United States, our top-level athletes go for the biggest bucks and the greatest glory, and hence wind up siphoned off into the NFL, NBA, MLB, and NHL. Then, to make matters worse, those top athletes who do pursue soccer professionally often go to play in Europe for a club where they can earn some very decent money and play against some of the best soccer players in the world. What we are left with in America is Major League Soccer, which is the laughingstock of the futbol world. No wonder Americans haven’t caught on professional soccer; it’d be like asking the Brits to become fanatical about football by watching the Canadian Football League!

    • ffc99

      I’m not sure if American will ever “except” soccer, but I think it’s clear they’ve already accepted it. Now, I suspect what you’re really saying is that soccer will never become as big as the big 3 American sports. Now, that may or may not be true, but nobody can deny soccer’s popularity is growing by leaps and bounds here in the states.

      One final point, MLS is not the laughingstock of the soccer world. It certainly isn’t as strong as the top leagues (England, Spain, Italy, et al), but it’s steadily improving and the quality of play is really impressive when you consider it’s been around for less than 20 years.

      • Icythus

        As defined as “Any league that can only attract top international talent when said international talent is past their prime and looking to score a big wad of cash before they hang up their cleats in a few years,”

        And yeah, above should read “accept” not “except”. This is what happens when I blog at 1 in the morning.

      • Icythus

        technically counts as an “increase” in popularity. It still isn’t terribly significant.

        I’ll repeat: America’s best professional athletes do not play soccer, which is why soccer in general and the World Cup in particular will never be popular outside of the kiddie set.

        • ffc99

          That’s a pretty bold statement. And the WC is only popular with the “kiddie set” in the US? Wow, the ignorance in that statement is stunning. Take a look at the TV ratings for the US v. England game on Saturday. I can assure you it wasn’t just “kiddies” watching the game. There’s a very good reason that ESPN is promoting the hell out of the WC, and it’s because they realize the potential for the growth of soccer here in the US, among all people, “kiddies” and adults.

          I’ve never understood the hate for soccer from folks like you. All I can figure is that you don’t understand the game and you feel like it threatens sports you do understand. Don’t be scared… Soccer can peacefully coexist alongside American football, baseball, basketball, etc.

  • http://impudent.blognation.us/blog kyle8

    It is not horrible, I kinda liked watching the sheer speed of the Ghana team. But it really is not much too it.

    Yes, I know I just don’t “understand” it. But really, there is precious little strategy compared to American Football. And there is little scoring. There is a tremendous amount of flopping.

    And then there are the stupid VUVU’s and all the hooliganism.

    Don’t need it.

  • E Pluribus Unum

    I have AT LEAST as much evidence that I am right as he does that he is right.

  • http://www.dcworksforus.com Kenny Solomon

    Article from yesterday’s edition of The Age (a Melbourne Australia newspaper).

    http://news.theage.com.au/breaking-news-sport/strong-police-presence-at-lakers-final-20100617-ygzq.html

    Los Angeles police chief Charlie Beck says he will be deploying hundreds of extra officers at the final NBA championship game between the Lakers and Boston Celtics on Friday Australian time.

    Beck said he hopes to dissuade fans from congregating outside Staples Centre after the game. Mobile command units and a strong police presence should deter anyone from causing trouble, he says. Los Angeles County Sheriff Lee Baca says he has notified hundreds of deputies to be on hand in case the Police Department needs backup.

    Last year’s championship also triggered rock-and-bottle throwing, vandalism and looting. In 2000, after the Lakers won their first NBA title in 12 years, fans damaged 70 vehicles outside the Staples Centre.

    === === === === === ===

    What could go wrong ?

    Some stellar examples of God-given ability morphed into the guise of athletic shoe marketing campaigns and tattoo salesmen, (including a few felons and assorted other miscreants) running around in their underwear on a wood floor for 48 minutes.

    Celebritards fighting over courtside first row seats to get ‘face time’ on national TV.

    Open scalping of tickets in full view of anyone with even partial vision.

    Gangs aplenty looking to ‘have fun’ in the aftermath of a local win, and ‘really have fun’ if the visiting team has the audacity to yank the rug out from under their purple and gold vision of utopia.

    Yep, I’d have a boatload of L.E. out there too…….. With some APC’s, horses, shields and some high-tech non-lethal gizmos like the sound wave projector…….. and also with the express statement to every single person anywhere near the venue and downtown that the toys that go bang are within less than two seconds from being in-hand and on full auto.

    Wait, this is Los Angeles Califailure…… The perfect city.

    I’ve got it all wrong as usual.

    There’s no need for a government to project any show of force…….. Ever.

    All that’s needed are a smattering of citizen auxiliary patrollers stationed on the veranda of the arena, politely directing the general public away from any v.i.p.’s and celebrities seeking a little entertainment in their busy lives.

    That should cover any and all situations possible that could even remotely arise at The Staples Center and downtown Los Angeles.

  • http://www.dcworksforus.com Kenny Solomon

    I had the opportunity to watch much of the just-concluded 1st round match between France (taking the home side) and Mexico (away).

    Final score: Mexico 2 – France 0.

    I pose that the outcome was predetermined and obviously so.

    How do I know this ?

    Easy.

    Mexico was constantly crossing into the French side of the pitch ; Quickly, without notice of direction, or any other warning. They were also shooting at the French quite often.

    France’s position was to surrender immediately upon the 1st half opening whistle.

    But in what I have found is normal fashion, Mexico didn’t notice or care. They kept coming at France and crossing their side of the half line….. and shooting.

    ————–

    Gee……. Am I trying to get a point across ?

    Naaaaaaaaaah.

    I’m just watching futbol.

    Gooooooooooooooooooooooooooal !

    ;)

  • atlemar

    “Part of our aversion to the sport could be the fact that the sport isn