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Resolution to Hear Anti Agenda 21 Bill – Glen Bradley

First project I want to discuss is our bill to refuse compliance with Agenda 21.Because this is a bit complicated, I will try to explain what is going on.A non-budgetary bill may only be introduced in the short session with 2/3 support of the members. A resolution may be introduced at any time, and does not count towards out 10 bill limit. Therefore we have a resolution to introduce the noncompliance bill, and then the noncompliance bill itself that will be introduced upon 2/3 passage of the resolution.

The resolution to introduce will gain a bill number on May 16th when it is introduced.

Here is what we need, we need 2/3 support from members of both the House and the Senate on the introduction resolution here:

https://docs.google.com/open?id=0ByAbMc4d18WVamVYZjJJbkNfcHc

so please contact your State Representative and State Senator and express to them how much you want them to support the anti-Agenda21 resolution and noncompliance bill, so that we can get the 2/3 support we need to introduce the actual noncompliance bill here:

https://docs.google.com/open?id=0ByAbMc4d18WVR0VIUjN0ZUVBdnM

If your State Representative or State Senator is a Democrat, there are a wide variety of “Democrats against Agenda 21″ groups out there in existence, so it may help to look a few of them up first and reference them when contacting your Rep or Senator. I will also be attempting to rally those groups.See More
2011-LB-428B.pdf – Google Docs
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  • checkmate2012

    Agenda 21 is as dangerous as the Sea Treaty but was dissapointed to go to your links and see that this is strictly a NC resolution. I agree and extremely happy to see states fighting back on the feds,

    But do you have info that this is another treaty that the WHouse is planning on ratifying, perhaps in the lame-duck session? That is where we need to focus in addition to local and state levels.

    This is one scary agenda and was glad to see a post on it as I’ve been thinking about writing on the topic. I hope everyone on RS knows about this as yet another UN agenda to re-distribute wealth and our sovereignty.

    • http://www.glenbradley2012.com/ freedommom

      Please keep us informed.

      So many people have no idea how harmful these “non-binding” agreements are. They are starting in the cities. They are going to the mayors using the word”sustainable” to hide the truth about the UN take over. The Agenda 21 issue was brought to Charlotte and has been trying to press forward.

      Thanks for the info!

  • conservativerock5

    http://www.un.org/esa/dsd/agenda21/

    Definitely a creeping movement that is partially to explain for the radical environmentalism in this country, and we must fight it at all costs.

    • http://www.glenbradley2012.com/ freedommom

      If we can stop it in NC we can stop is across this great country.

  • http://freedommom.wordpress.com/ freedommom

    As if you don’t know.

    • gekster

      And if the reply is to me, I didn’t know it was so hard of a question that you couldn’t come up with an answer.

      As to your post, I don’t know you well enough to assume your response.
      Simple question, who do YOU support for President.
      I really don’t think it would be that hard to know who you support.
      Who is it.
      Romney is the appereant nominee, but who do you support.

      • http://freedommom.wordpress.com/ freedommom

        At this time, I am a Ron Paul supporter. There are still primaries going on the then the National Convention in Tampa.

        Things may change but for now my support will remain the same.

        I did think I responded to you gekster. You see, I am not mush of a blogger. As I mentioned in an earlier response:

        “For the first time in over 2 years, I finally get a comment on my Anti-Agenda 21 article and it

        • barry915barry

          has stated that he will essentially not be continuing to campaign for the 2012 presidency, will you be throwing your support behind the presumptive nominee, Mitt Romney? Barry.

          • http://freedommom.wordpress.com/ freedommom

            has not thrown in the towel. He will not longer be campaigning in the balance of the states that have primaries due to lack of funds.

            He will be persent in Tampa.

            The word you said was “presumptive”.
            I have lived many years and have learned I never assume anything until the end. I have learned the hard way and made many mistakes along the way.

            I now try to refrain assuming anything.

          • barry915barry

            Yes, he will be going for delegates. Do you see a path forward to the nomination for Paul? If Romney becomes the nominee, will you support him? Barry.

          • http://908StraightSt.wordpress.com/ mbecker908

            but you haven’t bothered to learn anything.

        • gekster

          I am not upset, just asking questions.
          Perhaps refraising my question better would have been better, but it is what it is.

          And I have a deep respect for any Mom, because they have the toughest job in the world.
          Hold true to your principles, but remeber the rule here;
          Consrvative in the primary,
          Republican in the general.

          And the main focus is to make Obama unemployed, just like he has done to many Americans.

          You’re a Mom, and deserve undue love.

          • http://freedommom.wordpress.com/ freedommom

            gekster

        • http://908StraightSt.wordpress.com/ mbecker908

          a racist, anti-semite who’s been in Congress for over 20 years and accompllished exactly zero.

          Thanks for fessing up.

          Now then, since Paul is no longer a candidate and even he admits he’s not getting the nomination, are you voting for Romney in the general?

  • http://908StraightSt.wordpress.com/ mbecker908

    Right.

    Actually, the first thing the Republican Party should do is institute a simple plan for the upcoming convention.

    First, recognize that Ron Paul is NOT, nor has he ever been, a Republican. He uses the Party merely as a flag of convenience, formally resigned from the Party in the 90s, and never should have been allowed back into the Republican Caucus.

    The Republicans recognized that the “Big Tent” wasn’t big enough for racists like David Duke and Ron Paul is cut from the same cloth.

    Second, Nominee Mitt Romney should take the lead and bar Mr. Paul from speaking at the convention and bar floor demonstrations on his behalf.

    Accomplish that and we’ll talk about your “agenda”.

  • keepcoolwithcoolidge

    Breaking up the Republican coalition before the election is dangerous. With Gary Johnson and Virgil Goode running 3rd party and a possible Paul 3rd party run, do you really want to drive 7 – 15% of the party away when every vote will be needed? Paul is harmless, and arguably more conservative than big labor supporter Santorum. Coalitions work by uniting different points of views.

  • http://www.glenbradley2012.com/ freedommom

    It’s not my Adenga, it’s the UN Agenda. I’m not sure where you came up putting the current election cycle with Agenda 21.

    Do you want to be told you have to live in small close communities? Do you want your land taken away from you so they can make “greenways” and keep you fenced in the cities? Do you want to lose all our small farmers and make the Monsanto’s of American controlling all your food?

    Good for you but not for me. I love my land and my acres. I don’t want to live in the big city.

    You have your freedom for now. We shall see who’s agenda you are talking about in the future.

  • conservativerock5

    Can you read? Or is RP still in the back in your head?

  • http://www.glenbradley2012.com/ freedommom

    You have no idea what Agenda 21 is. When you educate yourself on this subject, then come back and have a logical comment on Agenda 21 not the current election process.

  • conservativerock5

    Learn to read!

  • conservativerock5

    This has nothing to do with RP.

  • http://908StraightSt.wordpress.com/ mbecker908

    The candidate in question has a huge banner on his site trumpeting Ron Paul’s endorsement.

    Loons of a feather and all that.

  • mikeymike143

    and this so called republican was one of the only 6 congressman that voted to continue payments of BILLIONS of dollars to the palestinian authority. to the surprise of no one, nutjob paul and dennis kucinich were also included in the 6.

    http://www.debbieschlussel.com/39769/hamas-fave-tea-partier-palestinian-gop-congressman-votes-w-islamic-terrorists/

  • http://908StraightSt.wordpress.com/ mbecker908

    not in the article. And I don’t disagree about Article 21.

    My issue is with “freedommom” who lists his website as http://www.glenbradley2012.com/

    Follow that link and you’ll find the Ron Paul link info.

    Sorry, I have am willing to give no quarter to Paultards and it appears “freedommom” is one.

  • http://www.glenbradley2012.com/ freedommom

    Read the UN site then. I believe you have the issues not me.

    I have never once said a condescending word about your candidate of choice.

    I hope you have given money to the candidate of your choice or is it just blabber?

  • http://www.glenbradley2012.com/ freedommom

    Stay on topic for get off.

  • aesthete

    to refuting Mussolini’s program by referring to the Daily Worker.

  • gekster

    Just a question.

  • http://908StraightSt.wordpress.com/ mbecker908

    and, as with every poster, credibility is King. Your self-avowed support of a racist, anti-semite who’s never accomplished a thing in 20+ years in the Congress and your flacking for a Ron Paul clone pretty well destroys any cred you might gain by your opposition to Agenda 21. Opps, I was wrong. Scratch “pretty well”. You have no credibility. Period.

    Try Info Wars and Alex Jones. You’ll be right at home. They’re all off their meds.

  • http://908StraightSt.wordpress.com/ mbecker908

    really a “mom” or are you trolling thru here hiding the fact that you’re really: 1-a man; 2-a congressional candidate who supports Ron Paul?

    I’m guessing Door #2.

    Pointed question: who do you support for President?

    Pointed question #2: aside from your opposition to Agenda 21, exactly what – and I do mean “exactly” – is your platform/agenda.

    And I’ve donated to Rick Perry, Newt Gingrich – voted for Newt in the AZ primary, Richard Mourdock and Steve Foley. I will be making donations to Mitt Romney.

    And, in the spirit of full disclosure, I see that you’ve changed your website address on your Redstate contact page. All of a sudden it’s no longer “Glen Bradley”, it’s a wordpress “freedommom” site. With a HUGE Ron Paul banner.

    Like most Paultards, you’re deceptive. And, like Paul, pathetic.

  • http://freedommom.wordpress.com/ freedommom

    I am not a candidate and never have been a candidate. I changed the “website” because that is mine. When I started her 2 years ago, I did not have a wordpress blog. I was supporting the candidate of my choice back then and still do support him and always will.

    What’s really funny is, I started blogging here over 2 years ago. I was told RedState is not Ron Paul friendly but my blogs were just information and never candidate based.

    For the first time in over 2 years, I finally get a comment on my Anti-Agenda 21 article and it’s all about a candidate.

    Sorry to upset you but I don’t think you have to worry about me and my blog. Not much gets noticed that I write but thank you so much for all the traffic you have given me. I love it. You have inspired me to continue to write more now then I have in the past.

  • http://908StraightSt.wordpress.com/ mbecker908

    Who are you supporting for President? And, if it’s not Romney at this point, will you vote for him in the general election against Obama?

    Answer please.

  • http://freedommom.wordpress.com/ freedommom

    At this time, I am a Ron Paul supporter. There are still primaries going on the then the National Convention in Tampa.

    Things may change but for now my support will remain the same.

    I have no idea what November will bring.

  • PowerToThePeople

    and you know it. The race is over, it has been over for quite some time. Ron Paul never stood a chance and proved that with each sorry ass place he took in each state.

    The only thing you and your ilk are doing is hoping to force people to kiss Ron Paul’s ass and it will not happen. Your cult leader is a joke, a failure in his political life, and a person who needs to be on some serious pills and the party is tired of it. Romney nor the rest of us will allow Ron Paul to hold us at gunpoint just so he can spew his BS one more time.

    The sheer stupidity of you and your fellow Ron Paul cult members is amazing. The fact your small brain can garner enough brain cells for you to breath is a scientific miracle.

  • http://908StraightSt.wordpress.com/ mbecker908

    a Paultard troll.

    Redstate has a clear policy, “most conservative” in the Primary – and Ron Paul is in no way “conservative” – and Republican in the general.

    You haven’t made up your mind if you’re willing to vote for Mitt Romney in the general election, which, if you stay home or write in Ron Paul, is half a vote for Obama.

    You’re pathetic. You can’t understand how the real world works and you’re willing to tolerate a Class “A” socialist over a probably Class “B” capitalist. There’s a word for that. “Stupid”.

    By the way, your ability to do research on positions, issues and candidates actual history, well, it just sucks.

  • http://freedommom.wordpress.com/ freedommom

    Clean up your language or leave my blog. I did not start anything on this blog about Ron Paul. All the others did so you can hang it up.

    You are “The sheer stupidity” for even bringing up RP because I did not.

    I am speaking of Agenda 21. Speak on that so keep quite.

  • texasref

    No need to bundie one’s panties.

  • garfieldjl

    You’ve accused me of being an Obama supporter on numerous occasions despite the fact I’m a Newt supporter. Now you’re accusing another individual of being a racist and an anti-semite simply because the support Ron Paul over Mitt Romney.

    Enough already, the fact you aren’t presenting a rational argument and are instead resorting to attacking people with differing opinions shows me you don’t have a case to support Romney.

    Are there Ron Paul supporters that are racist probably, that doesn’t mean that the majority of Ron Paul supporters are racist.

    I seriously wish Romney supporters would stop trying to emulate Obama supporters.

  • texasref

    nt

  • PowerToThePeople

    wrong answer there Dorothy. And since you did state you are a Ron Paul supporter in the post I responded to, refuse to state you support the republican candidate as is site rules, and announce you are a part of the Ron Paul attempt to screw the party at the convention, everyone has a right to mock you, your cult leader, and do so incessantly.

    And wow you assume you have a lot of power here that you do not have. But by all means, sit back, twiddle your thumbs, and see if I leave or keep quite.

  • PowerToThePeople

    on a ship that you should avoid at all costs there garfield. Get off before you get dragged under.

  • http://freedommom.wordpress.com/ freedommom

    garfieldjl

    For the first time in my life, I have been called such hateful things and these people do not know me at all.

    I blogged with 1 objective…Anti-Agenda 21. Anti-Agenda 21 is something all “Conservative” Republicans should get behind but instead, that has only been brought up by 1 person.

    I guess RS has become a site for hateful Republicans.

  • http://908StraightSt.wordpress.com/ mbecker908

    That’s been proven over and over. You know nothing about the political process, you know absolutely nothing about real life and you’ve got zero to contribute.

    Your comments, ostensibly in support of this particular troll, says everything that needs be said.

    “freedommom” is, as are you garfield, an ignorant troll.

    At this point, jackass, I don’t NEED a “rational argument” to support Romney. He will be the Republican nominee. I will support him and, Redstate’s site standard is “Republican in the general”. Period. You are obviously unable to comprehend that simple concept and “freedommom” is unwilling to commit to vote for Romney when he is the Republican nominee. That doesn’t surprise me, given that Ron Paul has refused to endorse any Republican nominee, to the extent of endorsing Cynthia McKinny in the 2004 general election.

    You are known by those you support in politics. Ron Paul is a racist and a virulent anti-semite. He’s a complete nutcase who’s never accomplished a single thing in 20+ years in the Congress. If you’re comfortable associating with nutcase racists, you’re even dumber than you’ve already demonstrated.

    You can now zip up and give your mom her laptop back.

  • http://freedommom.wordpress.com/ freedommom

    It’s okay for you to tell garfield to get off my blog but not okay for me to tell you to get off my blog.

    As the World Turns.

    You see, I am open to learning and educating myself but “your” people have shown me that there is nothing to learn from you but hatred. I do not hate and I am very open to other peoples ideas.

    You are a very bad example to be a spokesman for Romney. Anyone out there would turn away from someone campaigning like to do.

  • garfieldjl

    Your words don’t exactly inspire confidence either. Truth be told, Romney hasn’t improved one bit in my opinion of him, only thing that has happened is Obama has sunk even lower.

    You guys haven’t tried to use a rational argument, instead you demand people blindly support Romney. Liberals may behave like mindless lemmings, but we’re not Liberals.

    Second of all, even though Ron Paul is a nut, there are some things he’s right about and there are people that support him for the things he’s right about and fail to realize the areas where Ron Paul is nuts.

    I’m voting Republican in the general because Obama needs to be thrown out of office. My current assessment is that Obama is worse than Romney. I will be perfectly blunt though, if I thought the opposite, I would state that fact and to heck with the rules. I consider telling the truth to be more important.

    Newt was able to look at Ron Paul’s platform and find the things that were good ideas and seperate those from the kooky ones. He did that so he could find common ground and build a consensus so we could be united in the General. You and mbecker seem bound and determined to further alienate conservatives and libertarians. The question is will Romney behave like Newt and try to build a consensus to unite people, or will he behave like you and mbecker to further alienate the base he needs to turn out to support him in the general.

  • lineholder

    you had presented more information and taken a different approach on this.

    Like telling people that ICLEI is trying to do the same thing with urban development programs that Al Gore did with global warming.

    Or explaining Smart Growth programs and boundaries zones, which will decrease rural (and even some suburban) properties values.

    Or connecting the dots between urbanization programs and the left’s desire for mass transit systems.

    Or the regulatory measures associated with the Office of Sustainability that limit business opportunities for people.

    It’s about presenting info…know your market.

  • http://908StraightSt.wordpress.com/ mbecker908

    It’s not a friendly place for supporters of racists and virulent anti-semites. You are shameful, but at least you’re deceptive enough to try to hide your association with and approval for evil. And make no mistake, Ron Paul is absolutely evil.

    Oh, and don’t put any credibility in garfield’s endorsement of you. Everybody here knows he’s dumb as a box of rock. Singular on purpose, two rocks has him hands down.

  • http://908StraightSt.wordpress.com/ mbecker908

    No ability to do research or think in any form of rational thought.

    You and garfield are a perfect match.

  • PowerToThePeople

    to get off your blog? I know it is hard to escape your own idiocy, but try.

    What I told Garfield to do was to stay out of MBeckers business and stop defending an Imbecile Ron Paul supporter as he will find himself on the losing end of the site and most members.

    And this is not your blog. And I do not want to teach you a thing, I do not waste my time trying to educate adults that are stupid enough to support Ron Paul. It would be similar to trying to teach a dog turd to not stink and I have no interest in wasting my time on either endeavor.

  • http://freedommom.wordpress.com/ freedommom

    My blog in on Anti-Agenda 21. I never mentioned it. It was someones comment. You guys are way out there.

  • garfieldjl

    I’m not a hateful individual, if I was one, I would be behaving like you currently are.

    I jumped into this because I thought your rhetoric in particular was over the top.

    Didn’t your parents ever teach you manners and how to behave in a polite manner? I’m not talking about political correctness, I’m talking basic civility.

    In all honesty, if I didn’t know about Ron Paul’s background, I would be inclined to support Ron Paul, due to your behavior. You are doing a very good job of selling Ron Paul as well as Obama, mbecker. You say you’re a Romney supporter, then you should stop shooting Romney in the foot with your bad behavior.

  • http://freedommom.wordpress.com/ freedommom

    Thank you. I guess I’m not much of a blogger.

  • http://908StraightSt.wordpress.com/ mbecker908

    “market”. If it’s not on the Paultard sheet of talking points she doesn’t understand anything, like all Paultards.

    In fact, while Agenda 21 is a really good thing to oppose for all the right reasons, I refuse to allow a Paul supporter any shred of cred, especially after what’s happened in Alaska, Arizona and several other state GOP conventions. Paultards are out to do one thing, destroy the Republican Party. They don’t give a damn about “fixing it from within” they’re out to destroy it.

  • http://908StraightSt.wordpress.com/ mbecker908

    You know nothing, you’re an idiot, and you keep proving it.

    You’re back on Franz Rule.

  • PowerToThePeople

    to anyone here. Ron Paul has always attracted racist, leftist, wackos, conspiracy theorist, fools, morons, imbeciles and we have no doubt you fit in perfectly, So stop trying to act as if anything we say is what swayed you into the camp that fits you best.

  • http://freedommom.wordpress.com/ freedommom

    My original post never listed, stated or otherwise mentioned Ron Paul.

    Try reading it. You must only be reading the comments to other peoples accusations.

  • PowerToThePeople

    with your lecture?

    As I stated, getting involved with a imbecile Ron Paul supporter will put you more on the losing side than you already are. You already have no credibility here with anyone nor have you displayed you have the intellect that a fart in the wind has. So I am trying to keep you from relinquishing the already crappy rep you have for an even lower one.

    But by all means, carry on, Far be it for me to prevent stupid from being stupid.

  • http://908StraightSt.wordpress.com/ mbecker908

    precisely what you’re doing and you don’t do victimhood well.

    You specifically set up, as YOUR website, a Paultard politician. Then, when I called you on it, within just a few minutes, you change the website to a site that is, even if it is a wordpress site, a fairy sophisticated knock of of the previously mentioned politician’s site with a big Ron Paul header.

    You can sell your crap some places, but not here.

  • checkmate2012

    if she’s signed up to post yet. She is 77 years old and although she’s against RPaul, she is super smart, knows her history more than most
    of us because she lived and studied it, and is a patriot and wife of a naval officer of 27 years and two wars. Yes she is opinionated and she damn well earned it. Maybe this Mom did too.

    I know and agree that Paul supporters are not welcome here, never have been in his corner even as a Texan, but don’t see the need to bully her to no end. And no, I haven’t gone to her blog but her post on Agenda 21 is very important and should be the focus unless she has a history of being a paulbot but I don’t see that proof.

    Be respectful or be banned….just following the rules :)

  • garfieldjl

    There are more than one type of Ron Paul supporter.

    The rational ones that can be reasoned with, and the irrational ones.

    From what I’ve seen thus far freedommom is a rational individual. Thus far, she’s been more reasoned and thoughtful in her arguments than you have.

    Seriously, mbecker if I were an admin I would have banned you by now, not because you disagree with me, but because of how you try to provoke everyone you disagree with into a flame war, I don’t care if you are Republican, Democrat, or independent. freedommom is another human being and deserves to be treated as such.

  • lineholder

    I’m not a fan of Ron Paul’s either. I usually stay out of it entirely where RP and his supporters are concerned.

    Which is probably what I should at this point, too, eh?

    The rest is between you and freedommom, becker.

  • PowerToThePeople

    moron, this is not your blog. I should have guessed your extremely low IQ when I skimmed over that joke of a site you created, but even if I had not, your posts here would have easily led me to the same conclusion.

  • http://908StraightSt.wordpress.com/ mbecker908

    I read all of the original post and looked at the links. I also cheeked your contact page and discovered your little pathetic charade.

    Bottom line, without regard to the content of your original post, you are a Paultard who deserves to slink off into the sunset having any semblance of credibility torn from you because of your support of Paul.

    While the OP is an important issue, your not being allowed any credibility for anything is more important given your apparent unthinking, undying support for the non-Republican, racist and anti-semite Ron Paul.

    Your little pathetic charade is untenable.

  • PowerToThePeople

    and try not to lie for once in your miserable existence?

    Let me again state what I said and work hard through the haze to understand.

    “And since you did state you are a Ron Paul supporter in the post I responded to,”

    Notice I clearly state the word post, not diary. They are two different things. Now let me post what you said in the POST I responded to:

    “At this time, I am a Ron Paul supporter. There are still primaries going on the then the National Convention in Tampa.

    Things may change but for now my support will remain the same.

    I have no idea what November will bring.”

    Now, anything else to add imbecile?

  • http://908StraightSt.wordpress.com/ mbecker908

  • garfieldjl

    I’ve run into Ron Paul nuts like you’re describing PowerToThePeople, however I’ve also run into Ron Paul supporters that aren’t racists, anti-semites, etc. Believe it or not there are Ron Paul supporters that are rational individuals.

    Yeah I know there are Ron Paul kooks out there, but I also know that many Ron Paul supporters are not kooks, and I think freedommom deserves to be treated in a civil manner. If she is a kook, she’ll start demonstrating that fact soon enough, if she isn’t a kook, then I welcome seeing a different viewpoint.

    Remember, how you guys treated me? Well I do, which is why I’m jumping into this, because I won’t stand idly by while you treat someone like the way you treated me.

  • PowerToThePeople

    but I must take issue with one thing MBecker. Pretty insulting to Homer to associate the ignorance of Garfield with him. But then again poor Garfield is on the spectrum even though the idiot spectrum which is the one he belongs to is not the one he claims to be on.

  • PowerToThePeople

    sure you do.

    And please oh please, stand idly by. Golly we would be outgunned if you took…………….could not finish that line of BS, could not stop laughing.

    If you still feel hurt, will be more than happy to provide you with tissue.

  • PowerToThePeople

    I could care less if some of the supporters of Hitler loved the Jews, they supported a man who was a monster. And the same applies to those you claim are just the average ordinary nice people of America. They chose to support a scumbag racist anti Semites so regardless of their claims or your claims they do not feel the same way, they are the same.

    One can not support the KKK then claim to love black people.

    Now run along child, it is past your bedtime and it is time for the adults to talk.

  • garfieldjl

    Considering how you falsely accused me of being an Obama supporter for over a month, I think I have a pretty good reason for jumping into this fray.

    People stood up to you for my sake here while you tried to bully me, well I’m standing up to you because I wouldn’t be able to look them in the eye knowing that I stood idly by and let you bully someone else.

    Enough is enough!

  • PowerToThePeople

    moron!

  • garfieldjl

    Nobody can tell the future PowerToThePeople, only God knows what the future holds. There were people that voted for Hitler that honestly didn’t know what Hitler was really intending, that doesn’t excuse the fact they were total morons for not paying attention and doing their research, however, you can’t paint them with the same brush that you paint the die-hard Nazis with.

    If you want to argue that Ron Paul is bad news fine, argue that based on the facts, personally attacking freedommom because there are parts of Ron Paul’s platform that she likes and may not know about Ron Paul’s other issues is way out of line.

    Ron Paul isn’t the nominee currently, convincing her why Ron Paul isn’t a good idea should be your objective not alienating freedommom and starting a flame war.

  • PowerToThePeople

    if you say so.

    One might claim that there were a few who did not know who Hitler was or what he was about, but that innocence was gone very quickly and they continued to goose step to him, continued to scream his name, and so on. There were no innocent Germans outside of the Jewish community.

    But even with that partial concession, Ron Paul has been around over 20 years, has done nothing in his term in Congress, has only become more radical in his nonsense, and anyone who supports him IS as guilty as he is. If they chose to support him without looking into him, their problem. It is no like he has only been around 2 years and some may not have had a chance to know who is he.

    So I and many others will continue to mock those who chose to support the fool, treat them with utter contempt, and laugh at fools like you who act as if they should be patted on the butt and treated tenderly.

    And it is not my job to convince fools of anything. She is a moron, every Ron Paul supporter is a moron, and deserve nothing but contempt and should be expelled from our party just as we did David Duke.

  • PowerToThePeople

    on taking any advice from you. I would rather not be on the wrong side so often.

    But thanks anyways………

  • garfieldjl

    This information about Paul that you keep bringing up isn’t exactly something the average individual would know about because the media hasn’t done its job, just like they didn’t do their job and check into the background of Obama.

    There is a relatively easy way to tell if someone is a Ron Paul kook, or a rational individual that thinks some of Ron Paul’s platform makes sense.

    If they are a kook, they just start attacking you when you present a rational argument. If the are a rational individual they respond to you in a rational manner.

  • PowerToThePeople

    do you.

    Let me say it slow for you this time

    It does not matter if a person has not “looked” into Ron Paul or is unaware of most of his platforms, they are responsible to know the person they support and self caused ignorance is not an excuse.

    If they chose to support the racist and anti Semite Ron Paul without knowing things about him, their problem and they are still worthy of nothing but contempt. You do not get to support a POS then come back and say ” I never looked into him so I never knew those things about him.”

    It just does not hold water.

  • garfieldjl

    The site rules included that one needs to be respectful of other members, which the two of you are blatently violating on a regular basis.

    I’ve been remarkably patient with the two of you, however your childish attempts to provoke me is getting rather annoying.