[See updates at the bottom that include Gramm's clarification. h/t to my Race42008.com colleague, Aron Goldman]
By Mike DeVine, Legal Editor for The Minority Report and The HinzSight Report
I refer to McCain economics advisor and former Sen. Phil Gramm’s “whiny Americans about a mental recession” flap.
The leftist MSM lives for taking conservatives’ words out of context and fitting it into their template of Republicans’ as racist, bigot, heartless warmongers.
What is so sad is that the Hannitys and Gingrich’s on TV and even Hugh Hewitt on the radio don’t see what is being done, and end up accepting the liberal template and gotcha games.
This is serious business folks, and its all well and good for us to chastise Gramm for not ever and at all times being aware of the different rules of the MSM game and so cannot live and breathe as a normal human being like liberal guests on TV and interviewees by newspapers.
We don’t play the gotcha games to mischaracterize liberals. We have integrity that way, but what we don’t do and ought to, is to point out their dishonorable actions in this way, not to mention their immoral policies that do hurt lower income people and create real recessions.
Phil Gramm is a conservative icon of the Reagan Revolution. He was a boll weevil democrat that resigned his seat and re-won it as Republican. No Jeffords he. He was an architect of supply-side economics that produced the recovery in the 1980’s that we still technically live in. He is an economics professor by trade and so knows that the technical definition of a recession is two consecutive quarters of negative growth, which has not occurred since 2001.
Gramm is also a very avuncular, upbeat fellow that likes to turn a phrase to translate arcane econ and was being interviewed by friends at The Washington Times, when he said:
In an interview with the Washington Times, Phil Gramm, a former Texas senator who is now vice chairman of UBS, the giant Swiss bank, said he expects Mr. McCain to inherit a sluggish economy if he wins the presidency, weighed down above all by the conviction of many Americans that economic conditions are the worst in two or three decades and that America is in decline.
“You’ve heard of mental depression; this is a mental recession,” he said, noting that growth has held up at about 1 percent despite all the publicity over losing jobs to India, China, illegal immigration, housing and credit problems and record oil prices. “We may have a recession; we haven’t had one yet.”“We have sort of become a nation of whiners,” he said. “You just hear this constant whining, complaining about a loss of competitiveness, America in decline” despite a major export boom that is the primary reason that growth continues in the economy, he said.
“We’ve never been more dominant; we’ve never had more natural advantages than we have today,” he said. “We have benefited greatly” from the globalization of the economy in the last 30 years.
Mr. Gramm said the constant drubbing of the media on the economy’s problems is one reason people have lost confidence.
Gramm made two errors (maybe three). His most egregious mistake was to conflate We the People with the American press, when he referred to a “nation of whiners.” Lots of people do this, and it is one of my pet peeves (and Rush Limbaugh’s). That the press decides to run a story doesn’t make it so and that they run a poll, doesn’t make it so.
Reality is. The press produces a product they call news. We too often confuse the two, and Phil’s mistake was easily used by the MSM to make it seem like he is callous towards low and middle income families and small and large businesses that are crying out for relief from high gasoline and food prices.
Gramm was speaking of the whiny press that wants people to think that America is in a decline that only an Obamessiah can save us from.
Secondly, he forgot the logic behind Reagan’s great lines: “A recession is when your neighbor loses his job and a depression is when you lose yours” and, “Are you better off than you were four years ago”?
I give him a pass on the latter, with his “mental recession” given that he was having an economics discussion and it was a good line – as applied to the press.
So, I give McCain a pass for going ballistic. He can’t risk alienating the inattentive to politics and economics sufferers at the pumps and the produce aisles.
What is so sad is that Newt Gingrich and Sean Hannity failed to understand that Gramm was NOT referring to Americans complaining about gas and food prices and the lib dems that have caused same by limiting oil drilling, oil refining and nuclear plant construction as whining. He was not chastising Americans that are suffering from same as imagining a mental recession.
No, Gramm was chastising the press for their false recession stories of the past SIX years!! He was speaking of the whining media and liberals that claim America is and has been in decline for the past 6 years, despite the economic numbers to the contrary that are the envy of the world, lest the GOP and Dubya get any credit.
There is no excuse for this. Sean seemed to get it and tried to challenge Newt, but Hannity lacked the intellect to frame the issue. Newt alternates between kissing lib butt and not. But for Hugh Hewitt not to get it, is unacceptable.
I didn’t know rooster’s could hear and see so much better than TV and Radio stars. Maybe my 18 years as a Lib-Dem co-conspirator frontman for the kooks helps. Now I’m in the stupid party.
[UPDATES: One is my response to Flagstaff re elites and two, re info provided by Aron Goldman at R408 that affirms my interpretation re elitist "leaders" that take their cues from fellow elites in the MSM]
First, gamecock:
I have noticed that elites and regular folks make this mistake in differing ways, i.e. they speak of “the American People” when they are really referring to what they hear on TV from media elites:
Elites like Gramm do it subconsciously as they exaggerate the power of the media elites (key word elites). Reagan never made this mistake and always made the distinction. But yes, regular folks don’t whine about competitiveness.
We “whine’ about high gas and food prices and what policies cause them. Gramm was not speaking of that.
Regular folks too often assume the MSM is reflecting popular opinion. Rush fights this everyday.
Second, Gramm’s clarification:
“When I said we’ve become a nation of whiners, I’m talking about our leaders. I’m not talking about our people. We’ve got every kind of excuse in the world about oil prices — we’ve got speculators, the oil companies to blame — but too many people don’t have a program to get on with a job of producing.”
“If you listen to our leaders, we can’t compete against Mexico, for God’s sake. If they don’t think we can compete against Mexico who can we compete against?”
I think the above updates fit my original interpretation given that the media are elites, as are leaders as per Gramm, all of whom echo the defeatist whining of the MSM/Dem Party lib template.
One thing is certain. Gramm was not referring to Americans that are suffering from high gas and food prices and complaining about the policies of the leaders in Washington that caused them.
[A portion of this post originally appeared in my Silly (MSM) Love Songs blog.]
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Past jobs?
SteveLA Friday, July 11th at 6:05PM EDT (link)game;
Were you a small appliance salesman in another life? You know, blenders, mixers, Cuisinarts, all things that “spin”.
Come on, Phil put his foot in it, “Big Time” with his comments, and McCain put him right where he belonged, under the bus. Phil Graham is not known as Mr. Warm and Cuddly, and these comments of “Mental Recession” were just tone deaf on so many levels.
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It was stupid on a galactic level
Section9 Friday, July 11th at 7:24PM EDT (link)Look how Gramm’s gaffe has opened up a hole a mile wide for Obambi. I heard a woman at lunch remark today that McCain thought it was “all in our heads”.
That’s right. People think McCain said it!.
I admire Phil Gramm, but this was tone deaf on so many levels.
“History will be kind to me, for I intend to write it”-Winston Churchill
McCain never could handle real
Mike gamecock DeVine Friday, July 11th at 8:12PM EDT (link)straight talk.
See if my updates ameliorate your criticism.
As to appliances, the only one I had to sell was always large.
smile
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Conservatives were more tone deaf
Mike gamecock DeVine Friday, July 11th at 8:14PM EDT (link)in failing to refute the claim that Gramm was speaking of regular Americans complaining of high gas and food prices as the whiners.
See if my updates alter your view and get back to me.
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Worse if anything
SteveLA Friday, July 11th at 8:37PM EDT (link)Senator Phil speaking to the “great unwashed” American.
“See when I was talking about winners, I wasn’t talking about you.”
“No..I think you’re absolutely right to be mad now that you’ve lost your job, and I really can see that your $4.00+ a gallon gasoline could make you testy not winning, but no Sir…”I feel your pain”.
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Game…sometimes we all step in it, the best thing to do is admit it, and move on. Graham put his foot in a real pile of anger out there with his extremely poor and tone deaf choice of words, and technically speaking or not, lot of people are hurting and anything that smells the way Graham’s statement does is very hard to spin away.
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sometimes we all step in it
Mike gamecock DeVine Friday, July 11th at 8:51PM EDT (link)Such vague cliches when I was hoping you had graduated to logic 3.0
sad
But GC remains optimistic.
Ste, Gramm was obviously not talking about your “it”, i.e. justifiable complainers about high gas and food prices. He was speaking of the very people that are too defeatist to fix their own policies that caused same.
If you can’t see that “it” that you stepped in, then you need to clean off your shoes.
And trade us (Braves) two of those Dodger pitchers!
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At least my current job and for the
Mike gamecock DeVine Friday, July 11th at 8:53PM EDT (link)last 16 years doesn’t make one dizzy, eh?
Lawyer
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Send you back Anduw n/t
SteveLA Friday, July 11th at 9:07PM EDT (link)n/t
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I was glad to see him go
Mike gamecock DeVine Friday, July 11th at 9:54PM EDT (link)WAYYYYY over-rated.
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What can we do?
Rod_Patrick Friday, July 11th at 9:56PM EDT (link)Maybe we can focus our strength and energy in communicating to those who haven’t yet been brainwashed by Obama.
Let us consider them as remnants of a hurricane more destructive than Katrina or Bertha.
good one
Mike gamecock DeVine Friday, July 11th at 10:02PM EDT (link)I think Obama is a western hemisphere tsunami!
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About Katrina
Rod_Patrick Friday, July 11th at 10:21PM EDT (link)I’ve just read the recent article of David Limbaugh at Human Events. David used Obama’s statement in New Orleans Superdome about a year ago, and I quote:
You can say that all you want...
liberalrepublican Saturday, July 12th at 8:48AM EDT (link)You can write as many diaries and respond to as many comments as you like, it WON’T change the FACT that most people heard this as the people being whiners about stuff like high gas prices, food etc.
Americans are CUTTING back big-time this summer & curtailing fun/vacations etc.
They are pissed. And whiny.
“Broadly speaking, liberalism emphasizes individual rights and equality of opportunity. … including extensive freedom of thought and speech, limitations on the power of governments, the rule of law, the free exchange of ideas, a market or mixed economy”
I will, thank you, and you give away your sluminess
Mike gamecock DeVine Saturday, July 12th at 9:08AM EDT (link)when you say “most people ‘heard’ this as”. Yours is such a cowardly, lazy and pathetic surrender to the liberal MSM lies. An example of the stupid wing of the GOP that is happy as a minority.
The FACT is that Gramm never referred to gas/food price sufferers in “whiner/mental recession” interview
and, btw,
Broadly and accurately speaking, modern day liberalism is morally and intellectually bankrupt; weak on defense; deters no foreign enemies; appeases evil; favors the deindustrialization of America; despises people of faith, especially Christians and Jews; appeasl to class envy; favors race-based (see racist) laws and policies; opposes enforcing the borders (and hence the sovereignty of the United States); favors Stalinist speech codes; and long ago ceded most of what was good about classic liberalism to what we call today, CONSERVATISM.
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Gramm never referred to gas/food price sufferers in "whiner/mental recession" interview
Mike gamecock DeVine Saturday, July 12th at 9:18AM EDT (link)Phil Gramm never referred to either individual Americans or American small businessmen suffering from and/or complaining about high gas and food prices as whiners. Rather, he was referring to elitist opinion makers and “leaders” (see the liberal drive-by media, liberal democrats in congress and weak-kneed intimidated by the press and the greenie lobby Republicans as well). Conservatives that defended Gramm and called out the MSM’s mischaracterization of his words, other than Rush Limbaugh, Mark Steyn and yours truly, are hard to come by, even after his clarification (see update). McCain not only didn’t defend his close friend and advisor, that he obviously must have known wasn’t playing the callous towards the poor role the MSM lied him into and has lied Republicans into for 40 years; he threw Phil, the straight talker, off the Express, as El Rushbo chronicled. Those suffering from mental depression that have seen mental recessions are the press, Kerry ‘04 and the Democrats, including number one liberal Obama, all of whom declared the American economy in 2004 as the “worst since the Great Depression.”
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I wasn't clear...
liberalrepublican Saturday, July 12th at 9:30AM EDT (link)The point I was making had NOTHING to do with what what Gramm meant and EVERYTHING to do with how it was heard.
Sometimes those are different things.
I work in a small distribution environment where I’m known as a Republican.
It’s mostly blue collar.
I had 3 different people come up to me and jokingly ask me if I thought that rising gas prices or falling home prices where “just in my head”.
You are going to have to do more than call me stupid to convince me that those 3 people don’t represent a ton more.
“Broadly speaking, liberalism emphasizes individual rights and equality of opportunity. … including extensive freedom of thought and speech, limitations on the power of governments, the rule of law, the free exchange of ideas, a market or mixed economy”
You've already had two people tell you this
bs Saturday, July 12th at 9:55AM EDT (link)and now here’s the third: It DOES NOT MATTER what Gramm meant to say. What matters is HOW he said it and HOW it was received. This is real-world politics, not a philosophy class in a university.
The fact of the matter is that the MSM is in bed with the Leftists and with Obama. Anyone who is working in an official capacity for McCain MUST pay closer attention to what they say, or he is going to get his butt handed to him in November. As I stated in Erick’s thread on this - there’s no room for error. A little slip-up will be magnified by the MSM into a very big deal.
You don’t have to look very far to see the results of this. It is patently obvious that Gramm should have just kept his yap shut. Even if you’re 100% correct, you have to be cognizant of the potential response from your enemy. You can complain ’til the cows come home about how eeeeeevil the MSM is, but it won’t change things. McCain and his team must play the game by the rules that are in place, and that means not throwing softballs to the MSM that they can turn into a big anti-McCain controversy.
Decorum is fo’ suckas
Why don't you do something
Mike gamecock DeVine Saturday, July 12th at 10:14AM EDT (link)about correctiung the error of their ears? That would be a very un-stuoid response, rather than suggesting that I join you in surrendering to the lie.
agree?
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bs joins liberalrepublican in grabbing ankles for the MSM
Mike gamecock DeVine Saturday, July 12th at 10:20AM EDT (link)It appears liberal republican understands that he lacks rhetorical persuasive powers to point to what Gramm ACTUALLY said before and after he used the terms “Americans”, “mental recession” and “Whiners” and apply logic to point out that when they HEARD the MSM spin, they were hearing a lie.
One mo piece of logic:
Gramm is an American. Gramm is not a whiner and has not been arguing that a recession has occurred. Gramm was obviously referring to CERTAIN Americans, and he never discussed people complaining of high oil and food prices.
Your attitude is why the GOP reclaimed the minority and why Bush’s popularity is so low.
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I hear constantly how terrible
Achance Saturday, July 12th at 10:33AM EDT (link)things are, here in a place rolling in money these days. When you question them about just what in their life is “terrible,” they can’t tell you. If you ask them if they know anyone personally for whom things are terrible, they don’t. The media generated “malaise” is pervasive, so I have no doubt as to how Gramm’s remarks were perceived.
I can see if you have a modest income and a significant commute how gas prices would really be cramping you. I can see how if you were stupid enough to get an ARM or to get upside down in a house, things would be bad for you. None of that means the economy is bad, it just means you’re having a bad time, and in the case of housing, it’s your own damned fault.
The Democrats and the MSM have been trashing the economy since GWB’s hand came off the Bible. They’ve finally had their dream come true, the economy is faltering, but a lot of that faltering is from the black cloud they’ve hung over the Country for these eight years. I also believe that the D’s have been helped a lot in their mission to beat down the economy by currency manipulation both here and abroad, but you’d have to know more about World finances than I do to speak authoritatively on that, perhaps blackhedd can chime in.
In any event, the MSM said it, the People believe, and that settles it. It really doesn’t matter what Gramm meant or that he was right.
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pilgrim Saturday, July 12th at 10:35AM EDT (link)Gamecock, I appreciate your attempt to explain how there is a difference between accusing somebody of saying a falsehood and accepting a narrative framed by the MSM of what somebody said.
Of all the comments written so far I have yet to read any citation of proof that Gramm is wrong. There also is a reluctance by some to stop embracing the narrative as it was famed by the msm. That’s sad.
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The point is
TRHein Saturday, July 12th at 10:38AM EDT (link)that too many listen to those who would tell them what they heard rather than what was said.
Mr. Gramm stated it was a “mental recession” while discussing the state of the ecomomy; he did not say the rising price of fuel and food staples was only in our minds.
Regarding the “We have sort of become a nation of whiners” comment; your point regarding “Americans are CUTTING back big-time this summer & curtailing fun/vacations etc. They are pissed. And whiny.” supports that opinion.
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The point is
TRHein Saturday, July 12th at 10:39AM EDT (link)that too many listen to those who would tell them what they heard rather than what was said.
Mr. Gramm stated it was a “mental recession” while discussing the state of the ecomomy; he did not say the rising price of fuel and food staples was only in our minds.
Regarding the “We have sort of become a nation of whiners” comment; your point regarding “Americans are CUTTING back big-time this summer & curtailing fun/vacations etc. They are pissed. And whiny.” supports that opinion.
“Here is my advice as we begin the century that will lead to 2081. First, guard the freedom of ideas at all costs. Be alert that dictators have always played on the natural human tendency to blame others and to oversimplify. And don’t regard yourself as a guardian of freedom unless you respect and preserve the rights of people you disagree with to free, public, unhampered expression.” ~Gerard K. O’Neill, 2081
speaking of philosophy classes
Mike gamecock DeVine Saturday, July 12th at 10:39AM EDT (link)and as an aside, I have worked for me for 20 years.
You are dealing in philosophy when you wax ad nauseum re what Gramm should not have said.
Real World: He said things. Your “mature’ way to “deal” with it is to concede the false spin which portrays repubs as heartless. That is the meme they have used for 40 years. You want to do nothing.
I fight in the real world, and guess what bs
I have won battles like this.
Americans are not stupid. You and the lib dem msm’ers assume they are and act like they are.
You insult my intelligence and much of We the people.
coward
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explaining and refuting MSM bias
David Hinz Saturday, July 12th at 10:58AM EDT (link)has to be an ongoing and daily chore. If we don’t set the record straight — and do all we can to combat the propaganda coming from the left — the truth will never be told.
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My 2 cents
Rod_Patrick Saturday, July 12th at 11:40AM EDT (link)This has already become a heated debate, not just an ordinary steamy discussion. And it’s wearing us out.
GC, you have to make everyone understand the following:
Gramm, true to his profession, will never use “recession” because of the 1% GDP growth rate, which he clearly stated in his argument. Recession refers to a receding economy. A positive growth rate is outrightly contrary to the same. Yes, slow growth but not recession.
Some say we have recession because many of us are hurting economically. But recession is a “macroeconomic term” and cannot be applied to individuals: because if that is the case, then we can conclude that the World (not just America) has always been in recession since creation. The statement “we are in a recession today” will still remain false (for being half-truth) since we also should have had recession yesterday, last week, last month, and so on. (I hope no one here would contend that at least one of us were hurting in the past,i.e., recession by the few).
As stated, Gramm coined “mental recession” because the positive growth rate can never support a “real” recession. I must say that he is still being very modest and gracious to the media. The MSM, the main trumpeteers of “recession”, are actually doing a great disservice to this country. Speculative statements by self-proclaimed economists are the subtle killers of the economy (e.g., financial stock markets).
Nation of Whiners? This is Gramm’s bombshell and the MSM exploded against him. When almost everyone whined against Gramm’s bluntness, “he rest his case”.
Is Gramm correct or wrong? He is an economist for Pete’s sake! He is entitled to his own opinion like everyone of us, including the MSM.
In short: I’m on your side, GC, in this issue.
But despite the above, Gramm’s statement still hurt McCain because McCain is one of the trumpeteers of recession, including his latest stunt at the Pittsburg T. There’s nothing McCain can do now but to reverse Gramm, if he truly believes in recession. (Aren’t they conducting focus group discussion? They’re supposed to be a team, right?)
My 2-cent suggestion is this:
Let McCain and Gramm shut their mouth up on the issue and let it die like a natural death. Next time, these two gentlemen should try to address the public with the same message. Dumping Gramm “out of the bus” would never bring back whatever has been lost and will only further hurt McCain. (He’s not dumping Gramm yet, right?)
There is no reason for McCain to contest BHO in that department. The “out of the bus” phrase will always be a trademark of BHO, which is a blessing in disguise for McCain.
agreed on the black cloud, but as
Mike gamecock DeVine Sunday, July 13th at 2:39PM EDT (link)usual I don;t join you in grabbing ankles and surrendering to the MSM lies that paint repubs as non-caring elitists.
The truth always matters and if everyone, incl Ronald Reagan forward took your attitude, Alaska would be as bad off as the Lower 48.
People are suffering down here.
Gramm was referring to the lib elites that preach black clouds that produce black clouds.
Maybe your surrender position is because you have it so cushy up there, which you never fail to remind us.
Go out on your boat. maybe you will get lost but the MSM will declare you are fine and Mike DeVine will be your only hope!
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Thank you and in fact wasn't HinzSight
Mike gamecock DeVine Sunday, July 13th at 2:40PM EDT (link)formed to do just that!!
amen
too bad we have all these defeatists at Redstate
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good analysis RP, and I am all
Mike gamecock DeVine Sunday, July 13th at 2:46PM EDT (link)for McCain & Co shutting up and ltting Obama bury himself with:
I — uh — I don’t understand when people are going worrying about “We need to have English only.” They want to pass a law — “we just — we want English only”.
http://hotair.com/archives/2008/07/11/obama-i-embarrass-myself//
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Neil, David Hinz posted what I
pilgrim Tuesday, July 15th at 7:25PM EDT (link)am replying to. His name and sig line should be on that post.
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Fixed (nt)
Neil Stevens Tuesday, July 15th at 7:29PM EDT (link)Want to run for conservatives? Give.
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