Comments on: We have one president at a time http://www.redstate.com/gamecock/2008/11/05/we-have-one-president-at-a-time/ Wed, 02 Dec 2009 18:52:52 +0000 http://wordpress.org/?v=2.6.1 By: Jack_Savage http://www.redstate.com/gamecock/2008/11/05/we-have-one-president-at-a-time/#comment-121 Jack_Savage Sun, 09 Nov 2008 13:09:52 +0000 #comment-121 <p>Now to me and you, the clock starts ticking when Obama takes office. This is because we understand how things work.</p> <p>However, if one has been part of the snarling, angry, liberal secessionist movement, or their sycophants in the media, you've won, it's over, move out of the way George Bush. THAT'S what I mean when I say the clock starts ticking now.</p> <p>Case in point - when Bill Clinton was elected after 12 years of Reagan / Bush, the pressure on him by the left was so intense that even before he was inaugarated, Jay Leno was joking about "the failed Clinton presidency".</p> Now to me and you, the clock starts ticking when Obama takes office. This is because we understand how things work.

However, if one has been part of the snarling, angry, liberal secessionist movement, or their sycophants in the media, you’ve won, it’s over, move out of the way George Bush. THAT’S what I mean when I say the clock starts ticking now.

Case in point - when Bill Clinton was elected after 12 years of Reagan / Bush, the pressure on him by the left was so intense that even before he was inaugarated, Jay Leno was joking about “the failed Clinton presidency”.

]]> By: izoneguy http://www.redstate.com/gamecock/2008/11/05/we-have-one-president-at-a-time/#comment-120 izoneguy Sun, 09 Nov 2008 10:43:03 +0000 #comment-120 <p>I think he still thinks the election is on. The people whispering in his ear are telling him he won. He still can't believe it and looks around like. "What the hell do I do now?" It's like the fighter pilot getting ready for his first mission. This time the flak is real and you could get shot down. Too bad we did not elect someone who has been through this before.</p> I think he still thinks the election is on. The people whispering in his ear are telling him he won. He still can’t believe it and looks around like. “What the hell do I do now?” It’s like the fighter pilot getting ready for his first mission. This time the flak is real and you could get shot down. Too bad we did not elect someone who has been through this before.

]]> By: simple http://www.redstate.com/gamecock/2008/11/05/we-have-one-president-at-a-time/#comment-119 simple Sun, 09 Nov 2008 10:38:37 +0000 #comment-119 <p>Jack_S, </p> <p>Whether or not the people who supported Obama regard him as the President, the truth is he is in charge of squat until end January. That is when the watch starts ticking. </p> Jack_S,

Whether or not the people who supported Obama regard him as the President, the truth is he is in charge of squat until end January. That is when the watch starts ticking.

]]> By: Jack_Savage http://www.redstate.com/gamecock/2008/11/05/we-have-one-president-at-a-time/#comment-118 Jack_Savage Sun, 09 Nov 2008 00:12:50 +0000 #comment-118 <p>As far as anyone who supported him is concerned (especially the MSM), He IS the President.</p> <p>What that means is that the clock starts ticking right now - Pelosi, Reid and Obama are firmly in charge, and whatever happens from now on is on their / his watch. The honeymoon will be over before the inaugaration.</p> <p>As Joe Biden says, mark my words. In their rush to seize power they have committed what may turn out to be a colossal blunder.</p> As far as anyone who supported him is concerned (especially the MSM), He IS the President.

What that means is that the clock starts ticking right now - Pelosi, Reid and Obama are firmly in charge, and whatever happens from now on is on their / his watch. The honeymoon will be over before the inaugaration.

As Joe Biden says, mark my words. In their rush to seize power they have committed what may turn out to be a colossal blunder.

]]> By: gamecock http://www.redstate.com/gamecock/2008/11/05/we-have-one-president-at-a-time/#comment-117 gamecock Sun, 09 Nov 2008 00:08:55 +0000 #comment-117 ]]> By: gclaghorn http://www.redstate.com/gamecock/2008/11/05/we-have-one-president-at-a-time/#comment-116 gclaghorn Sat, 08 Nov 2008 20:21:26 +0000 #comment-116 <p>But I changed my mind. I'm going to give President Obama the exact same respect that the Democrats gave to Bush.</p> <p>I also hate the way he's already arranging meetings with foreign dignitaries. He's not even President yet. He's acting like Jimmy Carter, fancying himself as some kind of unofficial ambassador for the US. Geez, can't the guy wait until he's actually the President?</p> But I changed my mind. I’m going to give President Obama the exact same respect that the Democrats gave to Bush.

I also hate the way he’s already arranging meetings with foreign dignitaries. He’s not even President yet. He’s acting like Jimmy Carter, fancying himself as some kind of unofficial ambassador for the US. Geez, can’t the guy wait until he’s actually the President?

]]> By: Cowboy http://www.redstate.com/gamecock/2008/11/05/we-have-one-president-at-a-time/#comment-115 Cowboy Sat, 08 Nov 2008 19:02:29 +0000 #comment-115 <p>Obama has taken over the mantle the last couple of days.</p> <p>New Tone don't seem to mind.</p> Obama has taken over the mantle the last couple of days.

New Tone don’t seem to mind.

]]> By: GregInFla http://www.redstate.com/gamecock/2008/11/05/we-have-one-president-at-a-time/#comment-114 GregInFla Sat, 08 Nov 2008 18:35:18 +0000 #comment-114 <p>Obama has these huge staffs of transition team members, economic advisors, and the like. Is his campaign paying for them? Or is my tax money paying for all these advisors and transition folks of the official "President-Elect of the USA"? Obviously during the campaign, Obama's hundreds of millions of dollars covered the cost, but what now? I've heard nothing on this. </p> <p>Also, I would imagine that the new unemployment numbers included the vast numbers of people employed by Obama and McCain campaigns, or at least will be included in the November report. Then again, how can Obama fire all those people? I mean, even thought there is no reason to keep them, does not that make Obama just another cruel, greedy, mean CEO for firing his employees? :^)</p> Obama has these huge staffs of transition team members, economic advisors, and the like. Is his campaign paying for them? Or is my tax money paying for all these advisors and transition folks of the official “President-Elect of the USA”? Obviously during the campaign, Obama’s hundreds of millions of dollars covered the cost, but what now? I’ve heard nothing on this.

Also, I would imagine that the new unemployment numbers included the vast numbers of people employed by Obama and McCain campaigns, or at least will be included in the November report. Then again, how can Obama fire all those people? I mean, even thought there is no reason to keep them, does not that make Obama just another cruel, greedy, mean CEO for firing his employees? :^)

]]> By: David123 http://www.redstate.com/gamecock/2008/11/05/we-have-one-president-at-a-time/#comment-113 David123 Sat, 08 Nov 2008 15:38:10 +0000 #comment-113 <p>Unfortunately, much of the Democratic party violated this rule for a long time. However, Republicans should continue to let politics stop at the water's edge.</p> <p>Hopefully, President Obama will defend America competently and assertively. This could even be a blessing, since it will be hard for Democrats to attack one of their own party for defending America.</p> <p>Let us hope and pray that Obama does the right thing. If he doesn't, let us hope and pray that any damage can be fixed in 2013. </p> Unfortunately, much of the Democratic party violated this rule for a long time. However, Republicans should continue to let politics stop at the water’s edge.

Hopefully, President Obama will defend America competently and assertively. This could even be a blessing, since it will be hard for Democrats to attack one of their own party for defending America.

Let us hope and pray that Obama does the right thing. If he doesn’t, let us hope and pray that any damage can be fixed in 2013.

]]> By: GregInFla http://www.redstate.com/gamecock/2008/11/05/we-have-one-president-at-a-time/#comment-112 GregInFla Sat, 08 Nov 2008 13:40:49 +0000 #comment-112 <p>The die was cast in the primaries. McCain's general election campaign was the second lousiest run campaign (Fred's primary one was the worst, and I'm a fredhead). And I admit, our Gov. Crist (Rino) did his part to get McCain nominated, but little else to get him elected. McCain's campaign did nearly nothing with the local GOP organizations when it came to speaking appearances. They kept the locals in the dark, making arrangements with no input or notice to the locals. Locals were told to keep news of the visits secret for days. Tickets were distributed here via the party HQs, but at events tickets were not checked and McCain brought lots of people from outside to take up many seats. </p> <p>Elsewhere, minorities (except the Cuban folks) see Obama as their savior. Jeb Bush did nothing to help McCain here. Seniors was their retirement accounts drop a third in value, and the housing market here in worse than other states. And I don't know if the final numbers include the many military absentee ballots. </p> The die was cast in the primaries. McCain’s general election campaign was the second lousiest run campaign (Fred’s primary one was the worst, and I’m a fredhead). And I admit, our Gov. Crist (Rino) did his part to get McCain nominated, but little else to get him elected. McCain’s campaign did nearly nothing with the local GOP organizations when it came to speaking appearances. They kept the locals in the dark, making arrangements with no input or notice to the locals. Locals were told to keep news of the visits secret for days. Tickets were distributed here via the party HQs, but at events tickets were not checked and McCain brought lots of people from outside to take up many seats.

Elsewhere, minorities (except the Cuban folks) see Obama as their savior. Jeb Bush did nothing to help McCain here. Seniors was their retirement accounts drop a third in value, and the housing market here in worse than other states. And I don’t know if the final numbers include the many military absentee ballots.

]]> By: DONTREADONME http://www.redstate.com/gamecock/2008/11/05/we-have-one-president-at-a-time/#comment-111 DONTREADONME Sat, 08 Nov 2008 00:31:32 +0000 #comment-111 <p>Where I am at the Iron Majors are considering running for retirement; though, they are conflicted because it is their men, country, freedom and the U.S. Constitution that they do their job for. </p> <p>However, the Iron Majors of the Marine Corps will tell you they serve at the pleasure of the President.</p> Where I am at the Iron Majors are considering running for retirement; though, they are conflicted because it is their men, country, freedom and the U.S. Constitution that they do their job for.

However, the Iron Majors of the Marine Corps will tell you they serve at the pleasure of the President.

]]> By: GregInFla http://www.redstate.com/gamecock/2008/11/05/we-have-one-president-at-a-time/#comment-110 GregInFla Fri, 07 Nov 2008 22:43:03 +0000 #comment-110 <p>Diamond tuesday night. I saw it on South Park Wednesday night. That was an awesome episode. Please tell me some others out there laughed as much as I did!</p> Diamond tuesday night. I saw it on South Park Wednesday night. That was an awesome episode. Please tell me some others out there laughed as much as I did!

]]> By: FJG http://www.redstate.com/gamecock/2008/11/05/we-have-one-president-at-a-time/#comment-109 FJG Fri, 07 Nov 2008 22:09:42 +0000 #comment-109 <p>... what I said. I am not making excuses as to why Republicans lost. Nor am I claiming that the election has been “stolen, bought or rigged.” Those are completely different topics, for completely different threads. Mr. DeVine stated that Obama “deserves the benefit of the doubt during the transition and after Inauguration Day” and that while “there were many good reasons to oppose his election based on his past record, but his Presidency must be judged on what he does from this day forward.” I believe that you judge an individual’s presidency from the moment that they start to campaign for the office. Their actions in the pursuit of office are reflective of their future behavior in office. In Obama’s pursuit of the presidency, he and his supporters broke numerous laws countless times. I agree that these illegal acts were not the decisive factor in the election and that Republicans made many mistakes as well. However, if someone is willing to personally break laws and ignore/condone the illegal acts of his followers, then he will continue this behavior once in office. Part of the job of the POTUS is to make sure that our laws are enforced. I cannot support a man who has already broken the laws he is supposed to enforce and uphold as POTUS in his quest for the office. As for racism: When you use race-baiting tactics as part of your campaign to get elected, when your surrogates make racist statements and accusations against your opponent and their supporters, when you condone your surrogates’ behavior with your refusal to condemn their comments and behavior, you are participating in racism. When you vote and/or campaign for someone whose policies, values and beliefs are the complete opposite of yours because of that person’s race, you are participating in racism. It is that simple. I know many co-workers and friends who voted Obama because he is African-American even though he stands for and advocates the complete opposite of what they believe in. And how many times were Republicans and other McCain supporters called racist or accused of holding “hate rallies?” Obama’s civil rights dream is not the civil rights dream of Martin Luther King, Jr. And I will not pretend that it is the same. I believe that we as Americans have the ability to achieve and surpass Martin Luther King’s dream and I believe that we have made great strides towards accomplishing our goal of being a truly equal people. But this election was a big step backwards from that goal and only time will tell how far it set us back. I don’t hate Obama but as I previously stated I cannot support a man who breaks the laws he seeks to uphold. Nor can I support a man who participates in and encourages racism. (Not when I have been a victim of it and have had friends who have been victims of it.)</p> … what I said.
I am not making excuses as to why Republicans lost. Nor am I claiming that the election has been “stolen, bought or rigged.” Those are completely different topics, for completely different threads.
Mr. DeVine stated that Obama “deserves the benefit of the doubt during the transition and after Inauguration Day” and that while “there were many good reasons to oppose his election based on his past record, but his Presidency must be judged on what he does from this day forward.”
I believe that you judge an individual’s presidency from the moment that they start to campaign for the office. Their actions in the pursuit of office are reflective of their future behavior in office. In Obama’s pursuit of the presidency, he and his supporters broke numerous laws countless times. I agree that these illegal acts were not the decisive factor in the election and that Republicans made many mistakes as well. However, if someone is willing to personally break laws and ignore/condone the illegal acts of his followers, then he will continue this behavior once in office. Part of the job of the POTUS is to make sure that our laws are enforced. I cannot support a man who has already broken the laws he is supposed to enforce and uphold as POTUS in his quest for the office.
As for racism: When you use race-baiting tactics as part of your campaign to get elected, when your surrogates make racist statements and accusations against your opponent and their supporters, when you condone your surrogates’ behavior with your refusal to condemn their comments and behavior, you are participating in racism. When you vote and/or campaign for someone whose policies, values and beliefs are the complete opposite of yours because of that person’s race, you are participating in racism. It is that simple. I know many co-workers and friends who voted Obama because he is African-American even though he stands for and advocates the complete opposite of what they believe in. And how many times were Republicans and other McCain supporters called racist or accused of holding “hate rallies?” Obama’s civil rights dream is not the civil rights dream of Martin Luther King, Jr. And I will not pretend that it is the same. I believe that we as Americans have the ability to achieve and surpass Martin Luther King’s dream and I believe that we have made great strides towards accomplishing our goal of being a truly equal people. But this election was a big step backwards from that goal and only time will tell how far it set us back.
I don’t hate Obama but as I previously stated I cannot support a man who breaks the laws he seeks to uphold. Nor can I support a man who participates in and encourages racism. (Not when I have been a victim of it and have had friends who have been victims of it.)

]]> By: WOSG http://www.redstate.com/gamecock/2008/11/05/we-have-one-president-at-a-time/#comment-108 WOSG Fri, 07 Nov 2008 17:53:17 +0000 #comment-108 <p>In Reagan era, a Democrat at work would say "He's not MY President"</p> <p>I got vitriol about GHWB from a liberal co-worker during his term.</p> <p>When Clinton won, my liberal boss laughed "Ha, that's the end of Rush Limbaugh" (not quite).</p> <p>After 2000, there was no congrats and shows of unity. I recall Sore Loserman spending 40 days trying to undo the election and then using the joke line about being elected, getting most votes. And the silly media meme that since the vote was close, Bush had to have 50/50 cabinet... Excuse me, will Obama has 54% Dem and 46% GOP in his cabinet?</p> <p>In 2004, My family gleefully watched "Farenheit 911" where the president was slandered and smeared in an eleand we were assaulted with the "Bushitler" and "chimp" and that silly 'apology' from voters saying they were sorry Bush was re-elected.</p> <p>So ... lets get real. the same goons insisting on 'unity' now for Obama would be the last to give it out if McCain won.</p> <p>OUR DUTY WILL BE TO FORM THE PATRIOTIC AND HONORABLE OPPOSITION. OUR LOYALTY IS TO COUNTRY FIRST, NOT PARTY, NOT CULT-OF-PERSONALITY LEADER. I will not attack Obama personally (its pointless anyway) unless he engages in misconduct or dishonesty (well that will happen often), but we MUST oppose him when he's wrong. </p> <p>Thus, I will call Obama - My Worst-in-a-lifetime President. </p> In Reagan era, a Democrat at work would say
“He’s not MY President”

I got vitriol about GHWB from a liberal co-worker during his term.

When Clinton won, my liberal boss laughed “Ha, that’s the end of Rush Limbaugh” (not quite).

After 2000, there was no congrats and shows of unity. I recall Sore Loserman spending 40 days trying to undo the election and then using the joke line about being elected, getting most votes. And the silly media meme that since the vote was close, Bush had to have 50/50 cabinet… Excuse me, will Obama has 54% Dem and 46% GOP in his cabinet?

In 2004, My family gleefully watched “Farenheit 911″ where the president was slandered and smeared in an eleand we were assaulted with the “Bushitler” and “chimp” and that silly ‘apology’ from voters saying they were sorry Bush was re-elected.

So … lets get real. the same goons insisting on ‘unity’ now for Obama would be the last to give it out if McCain won.

OUR DUTY WILL BE TO FORM THE PATRIOTIC AND HONORABLE OPPOSITION. OUR LOYALTY IS TO COUNTRY FIRST, NOT PARTY, NOT CULT-OF-PERSONALITY LEADER. I will not attack Obama personally (its pointless anyway) unless he engages in misconduct or dishonesty (well that will happen often), but we MUST oppose him when he’s wrong.

Thus, I will call Obama - My Worst-in-a-lifetime President.

]]> By: WOSG http://www.redstate.com/gamecock/2008/11/05/we-have-one-president-at-a-time/#comment-107 WOSG Fri, 07 Nov 2008 17:11:21 +0000 #comment-107 <p>I wont attack him on foreign stuff now... BUT ... it is our DUTY as citizens to protect our rights and liberties, and the Democrat Congress and Obama pose a clear and present danger to our liberties in a number of areas:</p> <p>Attacks on 1st amendment rights with "Fairness Doctrine" Attacks on prosperity with tax hikes and cap and trade Attacks on our sovereignty (sellouts to UN) Attacks on workers rights with end to secret ballot</p> <p>We have a duty to oppose these horrible and wrong-headed policies from DAY ONE. They were not advertized by Obama and we know why - they are payoffs to their liberal special interests.</p> <p>Do we oppose Obama's attacks on our freedom? I say - "Of course, it's our duty." As the liberals liked to say, dissent is patriotic.</p> I wont attack him on foreign stuff now… BUT … it is our DUTY as citizens to protect our rights and liberties, and the Democrat Congress and Obama pose a clear and present danger to our liberties in a number of areas:

Attacks on 1st amendment rights with “Fairness Doctrine”
Attacks on prosperity with tax hikes and cap and trade
Attacks on our sovereignty (sellouts to UN)
Attacks on workers rights with end to secret ballot

We have a duty to oppose these horrible and wrong-headed policies from DAY ONE. They were not advertized by Obama and we know why - they are payoffs to their liberal special interests.

Do we oppose Obama’s attacks on our freedom?
I say - “Of course, it’s our duty.” As the liberals liked to say, dissent is patriotic.

]]> By: aaronbg http://www.redstate.com/gamecock/2008/11/05/we-have-one-president-at-a-time/#comment-106 aaronbg Fri, 07 Nov 2008 17:09:47 +0000 #comment-106 <p>Let's start again. How far left is too far left?</p> <p>I will check back next week on this comment. I am leaving town for the weekend to get some well deserved rest, but I really want to know. In fact, write a diary and email me when you post it and I will read it and we can talk. </p> <p>Aaronbg.gardner@gmail.com</p> Let’s start again. How far left is too far left?

I will check back next week on this comment. I am leaving town for the weekend to get some well deserved rest, but I really want to know. In fact, write a diary and email me when you post it and I will read it and we can talk.

Aaronbg.gardner@gmail.com

]]> By: dld1717 http://www.redstate.com/gamecock/2008/11/05/we-have-one-president-at-a-time/#comment-105 dld1717 Fri, 07 Nov 2008 16:56:21 +0000 #comment-105 <p>Why can't we discuss this without getting angry?</p> <p>I am Conservative Republican with some moderate social positions but I have no problem with party softening its image and I would rather win then lose even if it means we have to tweak our positions </p> <p>I always look to the future of our party.</p> <p>Look at many of Republicans who went down (Sali, Musgrove, Harris lost in MD; all 3 lost cause they were deemed too radical right for their district)</p> Why can’t we discuss this without getting angry?

I am Conservative Republican with some moderate social positions but I have no problem with party softening its image and I would rather win then lose even if it means we have to tweak our positions

I always look to the future of our party.

Look at many of Republicans who went down (Sali, Musgrove, Harris lost in MD; all 3 lost cause they were deemed too radical right for their district)

]]> By: aaronbg http://www.redstate.com/gamecock/2008/11/05/we-have-one-president-at-a-time/#comment-104 aaronbg Fri, 07 Nov 2008 16:51:13 +0000 #comment-104 <p>Maybe you should just make the leap and become a Clinton Democrat.</p> Maybe you should just make the leap and become a Clinton Democrat.

]]> By: dld1717 http://www.redstate.com/gamecock/2008/11/05/we-have-one-president-at-a-time/#comment-103 dld1717 Fri, 07 Nov 2008 16:44:42 +0000 #comment-103 <p>We lost CO,PA,NV, VA, FL,OH all because we lost suburbs where voters are socially liberal and fiscally conservative and label themselves moderate so I believe we lost cause moderates thought our party strayed too far to right</p> We lost CO,PA,NV, VA, FL,OH all because we lost suburbs where voters are socially liberal and fiscally conservative and label themselves moderate so I believe we lost cause moderates thought our party strayed too far to right

]]> By: aaronbg http://www.redstate.com/gamecock/2008/11/05/we-have-one-president-at-a-time/#comment-102 aaronbg Fri, 07 Nov 2008 15:38:43 +0000 #comment-102 <p>We just put up one of the most centrist Republicans and he lost. Now people like you can't even contemplate the idea that he lost because of his centrist positions instead of despite them. Seriously, don't you think it is about time you assess your side of the party instead of constantly blaming your loses on conservatives? Take some responsibility for what has happened and I will have respect for what you say. If not, I won't. </p> <p>By the way, liberals don't believe that they lose on policy either, they always believe it's never their fault. </p> <p>Obama ran as a faux Reaganite during the General Election and he one. We all know he won't govern like one but that doesn't matter until 2012. </p> We just put up one of the most centrist Republicans and he lost. Now people like you can’t even contemplate the idea that he lost because of his centrist positions instead of despite them. Seriously, don’t you think it is about time you assess your side of the party instead of constantly blaming your loses on conservatives? Take some responsibility for what has happened and I will have respect for what you say. If not, I won’t.

By the way, liberals don’t believe that they lose on policy either, they always believe it’s never their fault.

Obama ran as a faux Reaganite during the General Election and he one. We all know he won’t govern like one but that doesn’t matter until 2012.

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